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On November 25 2015 12:41 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2015 12:37 Chromatically wrote:On November 25 2015 11:30 GlowingBear wrote:
Cool, some weak early reads:
Koshi looks townie for his tone. Especially when he makes the post of the town pyramid and the following one.
Chrom looks townie for thinking critically about the game.
SL looks scummy for this hard push on FF on a matter that isn't really alignment indicative.
Tictock looks scummy for commenting that SL may have a point but concluding that FF's thing isn't alignment indicative. If SL does have a point then it is alignment indicative. If it isn't alignment indicative, SL doesn't have a point. Therefore you just look you're posting to look contributive while actually being fluffy and pushing the matter nowhere sicklucker I'm not sure about. I agree he could be mafia for his push over something which I agree wasn't alignment indicative, but I liked that he didn't back down about it when he came under pressure. Ticktock I agree with your point, plus he just kind of came in and posted those non-opinions on FF and then peaced out. Koshi I don't have a read on. Let me expand on what I mean about OO: On November 25 2015 07:58 ObviousOne wrote:On November 25 2015 07:57 sicklucker wrote:
And yes i am role hunting explain On November 25 2015 08:07 ObviousOne wrote:
how can you be rolehunting when the op says everyone is vanilla? On November 25 2015 08:10 ObviousOne wrote:
tbh it looks to me like you either a) lied about rolehunting when you meant smurfhunting and then stuck to your lie for whatever reason or b) didn't read the setup or c) you're mafia and just hinted at the hidden mechanic sicklucker posts his stuff about FF's claim being weird and also makes a comment about rolehunting. OO jumps on the "rolehunting" part of it, which is the part that looks weird and is easy to jump on as mafia (I was interested in his read on FF from it). The third post is the one I particularly didn't like. The whole post says nothing at all (no conclusion or any point for the post), it seems like it's just a poor attempt to explain why he jumped on the rolehunting comment when it clearly didn't mean much. he admitted to ignoring the setup completely mystery solved m80
Wouldn't he do that no matter his alignment? I don't see how that's relevant to what I'm saying.
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On November 25 2015 12:54 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2015 12:44 Chromatically wrote:On November 25 2015 12:41 ObviousOne wrote:On November 25 2015 12:37 Chromatically wrote:On November 25 2015 11:30 GlowingBear wrote:
Cool, some weak early reads:
Koshi looks townie for his tone. Especially when he makes the post of the town pyramid and the following one.
Chrom looks townie for thinking critically about the game.
SL looks scummy for this hard push on FF on a matter that isn't really alignment indicative.
Tictock looks scummy for commenting that SL may have a point but concluding that FF's thing isn't alignment indicative. If SL does have a point then it is alignment indicative. If it isn't alignment indicative, SL doesn't have a point. Therefore you just look you're posting to look contributive while actually being fluffy and pushing the matter nowhere sicklucker I'm not sure about. I agree he could be mafia for his push over something which I agree wasn't alignment indicative, but I liked that he didn't back down about it when he came under pressure. Ticktock I agree with your point, plus he just kind of came in and posted those non-opinions on FF and then peaced out. Koshi I don't have a read on. Let me expand on what I mean about OO: On November 25 2015 07:58 ObviousOne wrote:On November 25 2015 07:57 sicklucker wrote:
And yes i am role hunting explain On November 25 2015 08:07 ObviousOne wrote:
how can you be rolehunting when the op says everyone is vanilla? On November 25 2015 08:10 ObviousOne wrote:
tbh it looks to me like you either a) lied about rolehunting when you meant smurfhunting and then stuck to your lie for whatever reason or b) didn't read the setup or c) you're mafia and just hinted at the hidden mechanic sicklucker posts his stuff about FF's claim being weird and also makes a comment about rolehunting. OO jumps on the "rolehunting" part of it, which is the part that looks weird and is easy to jump on as mafia (I was interested in his read on FF from it). The third post is the one I particularly didn't like. The whole post says nothing at all (no conclusion or any point for the post), it seems like it's just a poor attempt to explain why he jumped on the rolehunting comment when it clearly didn't mean much. he admitted to ignoring the setup completely mystery solved m80 Wouldn't he do that no matter his alignment? I don't see how that's relevant to what I'm saying. tbh i don't see how because it was easy that i shouldnt have commented on it, it was literally the first event in the game worth talking about and i wanted to see if he was slipping up as mafia or something. ignorance was the simplest explanation and also his claimed excuse. the reason that it didnt have a conclusion was pretty obviously stating my thoughts in the thread, i thought people might like to see that. i'll try to do less thinking since it offends you so.
You just said that you think SL is mafia for his push on FF, so why jump on the rolehunting thing that doesn't matter when you clearly have an opinion on his read on FF? Like if ignorance is the simplest explanation then why would you pick that to comment on over something you supposedly think is actually mafia..?
This reaction seems super overblown to me.
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On November 25 2015 08:10 ObviousOne wrote:
tbh it looks to me like you either a) lied about rolehunting when you meant smurfhunting and then stuck to your lie for whatever reason or b) didn't read the setup or c) you're mafia and just hinted at the hidden mechanic
And you "wanted to see if he slipped up as scum", but then you post all of the possible answers for him before he even answers. How does that ever show whether he's slipping?
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I think this is a good place for my vote for now.
##Vote: ObviousOne
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What happened to your read on sicklucker?
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I'm totally alright with having a wagon on TicTock.
marv makes me a bit uncomfortable for now but I feel like that will become clearer with time.
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On November 26 2015 02:14 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2015 02:08 Chromatically wrote:What happened to your read on sicklucker? this felt like a vote that will make the game progress in a more positive manner atm also i wanted to post baaaa Show nested quote +On November 26 2015 02:10 Chromatically wrote:
I'm totally alright with having a wagon on TicTock. +1 Show nested quote +On November 26 2015 02:10 Chromatically wrote:marv makes me a bit uncomfortable for now but I feel like that will become clearer with time. +1
What do you mean by "progress in a more positive manner"?
On November 26 2015 02:14 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2015 02:10 Chromatically wrote:
I'm totally alright with having a wagon on TicTock.
marv makes me a bit uncomfortable for now but I feel like that will become clearer with time. just you wait till i get my tunnel that's not really a tunnel on you, you'll feel much better
Oh boy, my favorite part!
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On November 26 2015 02:19 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2015 02:16 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'm curious as to why u feel taht way gb In late game he is pretty obvious when he is mafia (usually) and if he is town his existence is always a threat to mafia. Which means I don't have to worry
Yeah, pretty much what I was thinking. Someone posted a helpful guide last game (Is he still alive? Has he lead a lynch on mafia? Does he care about the game? If not, then probably mafia).
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Alright I'm here and reading, have to go for thanksgiving stuff before deadline so hmu if people want me to look at stuff
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Let's not lynch TT today, I like a lot of what he said (particularly on Vivax, Sn0, FF) and he called out a Sn0 post that I also didn't like.
On November 26 2015 18:14 Tictock wrote:... I'm also quite interested in the fact that nobody who called out my post early on commented on this one. Show nested quote +On November 26 2015 04:34 Sn0_Man wrote:
Why would marv not finding scum day 1 as town make him scum now for being useless and not finding scum?
Also, why would "nothing wrong with it" be good justification for a lynch?
I agree that marv's play has been lazy and unhelpful to town in a way that makes me suspicious, but unlike you I prefer the approach proposed by... (gb i think) that waits until marv has proven himself to not be scumhunting before trying to open up his lynch.
So while I liked your sentiment to an extent (that marv isn't playing townie, not that we lynch him today), I really disliked the way you worded and went about your post. Which is what marv pointed out already, which makes things more confusing. + Show Spoiler [Compare] +On November 25 2015 09:04 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2015 08:48 sicklucker wrote:On November 25 2015 08:46 Chromatically wrote:On November 25 2015 08:43 sicklucker wrote:On November 25 2015 08:09 Chromatically wrote:
I'm more interested in if he thinks FF is mafia for that? ya probably. Hes afraid he will be outed and coming clean will gain him town cred. Theres no way ff smurfed to reveal himself the 80% of the time he rolled town. It makes no sense... Espiecally since I have never seen him get mafia in like 15 games with him... lynch ff for sanity Hmm, I had the opposite reaction. Why would he be afraid of being outed as a smurf? Ok so ff has a very high perecentage of rolling town. Town is like 80% of the players. Why would he make a smurf when hes only getting mafia like 23% of the time or whatever. Especially when he historically never gets mafia anyway.. lol.. Hmm? You might have a point here, especially revealing so early before he could even see the affects of smurfing. FF tends to play fairly lazily the first few days and picks it up later. Maybe he rolled mafia and was worried people would push him early on? Course all of this is assuming it's actually FF and not someone trying to mind game us early... that's pretty tinfoily though and would be a pretty silly play. Gunna put this down as slightly suspect but possibly NAI for now. Seems to me like this post from Sn0 is even more wordy, and goes absolutely nowhere besides saying he's ok waiting to see if Marv does some work. But then later suggests he's unsure about his ability to read Marv ...
In the opening of the post (the Sn0 one) he's suspicious of Koshi and questioning him, but then that sentiment kind of disappears the rest of the post and it becomes more conciliatory, which felt really unnatural to me (like he had to comment on the situation but didn't have anything to say). And no conclusion, etc.
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I like the case on Vivax. Particularly this post felt super off:
On November 27 2015 00:32 Vivax wrote:
Not when I'm perfectly fine with lynching TT. The last thing I need is people fighting on multiple fronts when we're headed the right way.
In a D1 like this, who on earth is worried about "fighting on multiple fronts" when not much is going on?
I also didn't like how he also doesn't reconsider (or at least acknowledge) TT in light of his recent posting at all. It doesn't feel like he's interested in figuring out this game at all esp. compared to last game.
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Other stuff:
On November 26 2015 19:17 ObviousOne wrote:+ Show Spoiler [rant as fuck] +this feels like the slowest day 1 I've been a part of on this site in ages, if not ever. not for lack of posts but for lack of substance. i thought the wordy derpy phase we had at the start was indicative of a bunch of people who wanted to talk but that doesn't seem to be the case. this has led to an environment where the mafia don't have to post at all to blend in, because so few topics have been discussed. i know obviously i'm a part of this particular problem, but it's also become something of a systemic issue.
koshi who is arguably one of the greater forces in this game has it in his head that people will run his errands, which is fine as a character but is kind of silly to expect anyone to jump however high it is he expects. his effort to assert dominance can have subtle effects on the game. a sort of bystander effect where everyone who wants the same information might end up waiting for another person to do it, therefore nobody does it, and nothing is accomplished. the paradigm that comes along with setting himself up as the tip of the power pyramid which may or may no be in jest, i've played with koshi before and he's had a similar attitude about things. nobody wants or needs to challenge him so the whole thing is hollow anyway. like i said before, plenty of room in the shadows with the rest of us.
the issue with having marv in game is that everyone expects godly-play town or shitty-play mafia, when it's probably a bit of both that he's aiming for. posting less when town and slightly more than he feels comfortable with as mafia is how he gets to balance his play so he's not immediately outed when he's mafia. no idea what his alignment is and really nobody should care what he does until he, you know, does something. more useless conversation around this topic. i have preconceptions about vivax that lead me to believe he is capable of much more but is phoning it in this game. i had the same feeling before in student mafia xv and he was town there, so it might be melding the town and mafia sides of his play or that might just be i need to lower my expectations considerably. the difference between marv and vivax is that i don't have any personal heuristics on how to read vivax whatsoever. fuck, in that student game he pretty much blew off all my questions and i was kinda miffed about the whole thing. tictock still in my talent pool for today's lynch but not feeling it as strongly as others are, haven't really reviewed his recent posts but he's out of the top of the list for now sn0 could be added to it i think, but that's a reflection of my thoughts regarding how things seem to usually go down when marv is in a game. i sort of like the idea he had to avoid starting a conflict with SL in favor of seeing tictock's response to his wagon. ugh but the smurf stuff and the marv stuff. icky mess. boxer situation is hilarious but not gonna take him off my candidate list for today. fefe hasn't hit his stride yet or is mafia, don't know which. as for scott, for some reason i have it in my mind that he just rarely actually participates (at least in games we're been in together, pretty sure he's been modkilled in one of them), and that's been when he was town. so i can't judge him based on his participation / engagement. can reflect on him if we find out for sure tictock's or maybe even GB's alignment. feeling less good about SL but there seems to be the feeling of progression in his filter and i owe him a HJ for saving my life last game. honestly i should just delete this instead of posting it but whatever strongest to weakest feels regarding likelihood of mafianess {boxer onegu} strongerest {sn0 SL fefe} less stronk {tictock scott vivax} middling {everyone else} oh look a pyramid scheme koshi wouldn't want to be at the top of, lel i'm not locked into this vote but i better vote so i don't get rekt between onegu and boxer i'm gonna go with the 'gu bc boxer made a funny #vote: onegu
I thought this post was weird. The rant felt weirdly out of place (why are you so angry over a slow D1 when you haven't done much at all either?). I also don't understand that he said there was a "feeling of progression" in SL's filter when SL had posted nothing other than stuff about the FF smurf up until that point. I specifically had the reaction that there wasn't a progression at all. Then a lot of back and forth reads in a list post. I liked that FF attacked this post and I don't think I would have backed off as easily.
I don't like BF either, saying that you're just contributing for the sake of contribution doesn't make the fact that you're doing that any better.
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On November 27 2015 02:32 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2015 02:29 Chromatically wrote:I like the case on Vivax. Particularly this post felt super off: On November 27 2015 00:32 Vivax wrote:
Not when I'm perfectly fine with lynching TT. The last thing I need is people fighting on multiple fronts when we're headed the right way. In a D1 like this, who on earth is worried about "fighting on multiple fronts" when not much is going on? I also didn't like how he also doesn't reconsider (or at least acknowledge) TT in light of his recent posting at all. It doesn't feel like he's interested in figuring out this game at all esp. compared to last game. bingo compare to GB who is at least reconsidering in his own, bizarre way
Yep yep. Honestly a Vivax lynch feels really good right now.
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So Vivax, do you think that his posting since he came back is mafia-indicative, or just not a good reason to townread him?
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GB, is TT's post on FF still the reason why you're on him?
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Well, I have to go for thanksgiving festivities and I don't think I'll be back before deadline. I feel good about a Vivax lynch for the reasons I said before, and I don't see how he can possibly be so sure on TT over essentially one post.
##Unvote
##Vote: Vivax
Happy thanksgiving everyone!
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On November 27 2015 03:25 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2015 03:23 Chromatically wrote:
GB, is TT's post on FF still the reason why you're on him? GB's on vivax
whoops
On November 27 2015 03:27 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2015 03:23 Chromatically wrote:
GB, is TT's post on FF still the reason why you're on him? Yes. And I can relate to Vivax when he says Tictock came back over-contributive
hmm okay maybe I'll have to look at it again, I really didn't get that feeling and I don't think the one post is scummy enough to justify it on its own
but you're on Vivax anyway so
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Koshi lol you call me mafia every game you try to read me.
On November 27 2015 23:15 Koshi wrote:Because you are way to final/certain in your posting already. If I had to give a reason. Too much drama? I can't nail it. I am far from convinced TT is mafia. Could be though. I should really look who voted Vivax and at what times. Chrom/TT scumteam might be possible, Chrom did lose track of his own game (OO) and went for the vote on Vivax while he had TT and marv as suspicious. So dnu. It is possible. It's not something I am going to be hunting any time soon. If TT flips mafia I am coolio, but if he will be able to proof himself coming days there is nothing much left of your play tbh.
I guess I didn't explain my progression very well. Early in the day, I thought OO and TT were mafia for the reasons I posted. marv was a light feeling from his early posting, not really a scumread. Later, I liked TT's posting and I didn't think that his one scummy post was nearly enough to justify lynching him. I thought the case on Vivax was very good, so I voted him over OO/Sn0 who I also thought were suspicious. I didn't explicitly say it, but I think you can see this in my filter?
The other things you said feel like confirmation bias but if there's anything specific I can answer it.
I agree with whoever it was that Koshi is probably town for the stuff he did around the lynch. If TT is town then there's no point in doing all that when town was getting lynched, and if TT is mafia then why push against the Vivax lynch so hard and go for a third wagon. Plus mafia are more careful about keeping reads consistent, he cared about the lynch, etc.
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On November 28 2015 02:02 Koshi wrote:
So I started with saying we shouldn't rehearse things and then went after Chrom some more. Not bad.
Chrommie, my Baratheon Borther, try to play harder can you?
Sorry Koshi 
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Yeah, thanksgiving is over so I should have some more time at least.
I kind of like the activity level tbh (makes it easier to read) but it would be nice if it was more spread out between all the players.
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