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On November 08 2015 00:17 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2015 00:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 08 2015 00:07 Superbia wrote:
Ugh it's so disgusting. I really do not have time before deadline. I've half-read HtS stuff on Xat but I haven't been able to make up my mind on it. I think HtS may probably (kind of reluctantly) be town mostly due to dumbtells (like positive conclusions pre-flip). I don't think she does that as mafia. I think the team I suggested may be a good team to start off with. See where that takes us. Why do you actually think HtS could be town? What are these "dumbtells" you are talking about and why is it more likely they come from town than from mafia? There's been some sporadic stuff in her filter. One of the prominent examples is: After the rayn/xat/sl team went through (votes revealed), she instantly starts saying there's likely a scum between me and kita. This leans me to believe that she really had faith in the team. Added on that she had been, seemingly, incredibly busy/tired, which may explain the mistake of being too conclusive.
Okay so let's say you are scum and you yay-voted the team.
Why would you not make "positive conclusions pre-flip"?
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Like if you are scum and yay-voted the team you "think the team is all town" so basically you are claiming scum if you do NOT make positive conclusions pre-flip, no?
Literally... I would scumread anyone who did NOT make positive pre-flip conclusions is they yay-voted the team. Because why would you do that as town?
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anyways ima go buy some drinks for d&d tonight.
I will be here until 8pm my time, which is ~2,5h from now on.
can't be sure if i am here after the d&d, might go out.
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On November 08 2015 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2015 00:17 Superbia wrote:On November 08 2015 00:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 08 2015 00:07 Superbia wrote:
Ugh it's so disgusting. I really do not have time before deadline. I've half-read HtS stuff on Xat but I haven't been able to make up my mind on it. I think HtS may probably (kind of reluctantly) be town mostly due to dumbtells (like positive conclusions pre-flip). I don't think she does that as mafia. I think the team I suggested may be a good team to start off with. See where that takes us. Why do you actually think HtS could be town? What are these "dumbtells" you are talking about and why is it more likely they come from town than from mafia? There's been some sporadic stuff in her filter. One of the prominent examples is: After the rayn/xat/sl team went through (votes revealed), she instantly starts saying there's likely a scum between me and kita. This leans me to believe that she really had faith in the team. Added on that she had been, seemingly, incredibly busy/tired, which may explain the mistake of being too conclusive. Okay so let's say you are scum and you yay-voted the team. Why would you not make "positive conclusions pre-flip"?
Okay. That's fair enough. Maybe I concluded too quickly here. It seemed like she made a mistake/dumbtell (she said next nomination should be rayn/xat/art, which lead me to believe she also didn't think the mission was going through, but had faith in rayn/xat). But next filter page it becomes apparent she was already discussing the next team, but didn't know it was a 4 player mission. Meh.
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There is a chance that neither I nor TT will be around at 2300 tonight. We will do our best. However, Artanis' nomination phase will end at 2300 regardless and voting will open on his last submitted team thereafter. One of us will confirm the team and post the count down as soon as we can.
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On November 08 2015 00:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sicklucker who do you think is mafia?
I assume one of me and Xatalos but who else?
i dont know. 1 of super/kita for sure maybe both for the outside no voters
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On November 08 2015 00:26 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2015 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 08 2015 00:17 Superbia wrote:On November 08 2015 00:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 08 2015 00:07 Superbia wrote:
Ugh it's so disgusting. I really do not have time before deadline. I've half-read HtS stuff on Xat but I haven't been able to make up my mind on it. I think HtS may probably (kind of reluctantly) be town mostly due to dumbtells (like positive conclusions pre-flip). I don't think she does that as mafia. I think the team I suggested may be a good team to start off with. See where that takes us. Why do you actually think HtS could be town? What are these "dumbtells" you are talking about and why is it more likely they come from town than from mafia? There's been some sporadic stuff in her filter. One of the prominent examples is: After the rayn/xat/sl team went through (votes revealed), she instantly starts saying there's likely a scum between me and kita. This leans me to believe that she really had faith in the team. Added on that she had been, seemingly, incredibly busy/tired, which may explain the mistake of being too conclusive. Okay so let's say you are scum and you yay-voted the team. Why would you not make "positive conclusions pre-flip"? Okay. That's fair enough. Maybe I concluded too quickly here. It seemed like she made a mistake/dumbtell (she said next nomination should be rayn/xat/art, which lead me to believe she also didn't think the mission was going through, but had faith in rayn/xat). But next filter page it becomes apparent she was already discussing the next team, but didn't know it was a 4 player mission. Meh.
So basically the conclusion you could draw is that she didn't think the team gets yay-voted. Which is alignment indicative if she thinks the team is "all town".
Or that she is being dumb...
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On November 08 2015 00:46 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2015 00:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sicklucker who do you think is mafia?
I assume one of me and Xatalos but who else? i dont know. 1 of super/kita for sure maybe both for the outside no voters
so you think Shockeyy is town. Why?
Because he thinks i am mafia?
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On November 07 2015 22:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 22:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 07 2015 22:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
If there is 1 scum in you/xata/sl, and I think there likely is, that means there's 2 scum in Rels/HtS/Shockeyy/Superbia/Kita and I have to select the exact 3 townies from the 5. That seems like a much harder task than selecting the player I have a strong townread on from the mission that failed. I know but the current concensus seems to be only to talk about people who are nominated atm. You can change your mind, but let's see what those people have to say about the team i proposed. Okay, fair enough. I have a concert tonight though so my final team will probably be submitted around like 17:45 GMT (+00:00) unless I read enough on mobile to change my mind by the end of it. ##Nominate Artanis[Xp], Rels, kitaman27, Superbia
Not very confident on this team...
I mean, Artanis, do you currently townread the people there? Why? Or is this just a reaction test and the "final team" will be something different? I'd think it would be better to post your real suggestion well enough before the deadline.
For example, the Superbia pick doesn't seem to make much sense. You scumread him here:
On November 04 2015 20:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Since this worked so well for me last time I'm gonna go and do it again. Reads of X on Y below: ![[image loading]](http://puu.sh/l8XDS/c5b4b0ac75.png) Things of note after I went through the filters: -Superbia doesn't have many opinions at all. I don't like it. He was honed into one thing and one thing alone for a while and didn't really come to anything from it. -I actually came off with a pretty strong townread on sl from it, which I was surprised by. He seems very open and aggressive in his posting which I didn't get from him when he was scum. Seems to actually be trying to do stuff. -Surprised so many people scumread Rels still. He seems really active to me and pushing things. Can people explain this? -Still actually kinda leaning scum on HtS. She seems highly defensive, and in hindsight I still don't really like how she mentioned how I didn't have much time, yet still tried to push a fear read based on not doing much. Also, Rayn should be on whichever next mission. I also find it odd that shockeyy's actually suspicious of him, I'm not sure that's actually a good play as mafia to do but eh. Could be newbie scum I suppose.
And there's nothing to indicate you think he's town afterwards? Did his NO vote really matter that much? Or shockeyy/HTS just look worse?
The kita and Rels additions I can somewhat understand. You already townread them before, and neither wanted the previous mission to go through when it should have been scum's main goal to make it approved...
I'm not really sold on the logic that none of us in the first mission should be sent on the second mission though. Since there's probably only one scum on the first team (like rayn said - scum rayn wouldn't probably be eager to send scum SL on the mission with him), I'd think there would be an equal chance of picking town on the team inside or outside the first team (2/3 chance). What's more, SL is quite a lot more likely to be scum than rayn based on play, so all the less reason to exclude us from the mission... Even rayn seemed to agree with excluding us though, but why would that be the obvious solution? I don't really see it. There are just too many potential scum outside of the first mission team. Even if Superbia/kita/Rels all voted NO (townie points, I'll admit), it's not far-fetched for scum to be included there. Meanwhile I'm pretty sure rayn is town and I'm quite clearly town as well, so... Including both of us, or at least me/rayn, would make the mission all-town quite a bit more likely.
The scumteam should be SL + 2 out of shockeyy/HTS/Superbia/Rels/kita. I don't think I can vote YES on a team that has most of its members from those. I guess Superbia/Rels/kita are the most likely town out of those (since they voted NO), but still... I'm like 90% sure rayn is town and not at all sure that Superbia/Rels/kita are all town.
rayn, would be nice if you explained what's the logic behind excluding us two? Just so that the mission is more likely to be voted YES? I don't think it makes sense to make people vote YES at the expense of more likely including scum :/ We still have several leader cycles after all, and you're even next in order yourself.
As for Artanis himself, I'm not as confident on him as on rayn (voted YES and has previously been very townie as scum), but I guess we'll just have to bet on him. It's kind of like how we couldn't afford to lynch him if this was normal Mafia.
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Come on Xatalos, Superbia's no-vote is indicative of him being town....
[about rayn..] It's kind of like how we couldn't afford to lynch him if this was normal Mafia.
since when do you think like this?
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On November 08 2015 00:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2015 00:46 sicklucker wrote:On November 08 2015 00:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sicklucker who do you think is mafia?
I assume one of me and Xatalos but who else? i dont know. 1 of super/kita for sure maybe both for the outside no voters so you think Shockeyy is town. Why? Because he thinks i am mafia?
ya thats probably why i think hes town. hes literaly the only one who thinks im not the mafia that sabotaged the game
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xata
The scumteam should be SL + 2 out of shockeyy/HTS/Superbia/Rels/kita. I don't think I can vote YES on a team that has most of its members from those. I guess Superbia/Rels/kita are the most likely town out of those (since they voted NO), but still... I'm like 90% sure rayn is town and not at all sure that Superbia/Rels/kita are all town.
only hts voted yes to pass the mission...
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On November 08 2015 00:53 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2015 00:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 08 2015 00:46 sicklucker wrote:On November 08 2015 00:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sicklucker who do you think is mafia?
I assume one of me and Xatalos but who else? i dont know. 1 of super/kita for sure maybe both for the outside no voters so you think Shockeyy is town. Why? Because he thinks i am mafia? ya thats probably why i think hes town. hes literaly the only one who thinks im not the mafia that sabotaged the game
well in fact he is not the only one...
do you think he has good reasons for scumreading me?
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On November 08 2015 00:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:Come on Xatalos, Superbia's no-vote is indicative of him being town.... Show nested quote +[about rayn..] It's kind of like how we couldn't afford to lynch him if this was normal Mafia. since when do you think like this?
Yeah, I guess... I was mostly curious about why Artanis included him over us when he scumread him before this >.>
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aparently.
hes right about one thing hes not pushing any agenda or trying to get nominated
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Actually Artanis included me at first.
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On November 08 2015 00:56 sicklucker wrote:
aparently.
hes right about one thing hes not pushing any agenda or trying to get nominated
????
is this an answer to me? if it is, it's actually not an answer.
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On November 08 2015 00:56 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2015 00:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:Come on Xatalos, Superbia's no-vote is indicative of him being town.... [about rayn..] It's kind of like how we couldn't afford to lynch him if this was normal Mafia. since when do you think like this? Yeah, I guess... I was mostly curious about why Artanis included him over us when he scumread him before this >.>
And oh yeah, it's just that it feels oddly hard to get townreads in this game, and Artanis at least has felt overall townie. So in a normal Mafia game lynching him would be... Probably catastrophic.
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On November 08 2015 00:54 sicklucker wrote:
xata
The scumteam should be SL + 2 out of shockeyy/HTS/Superbia/Rels/kita. I don't think I can vote YES on a team that has most of its members from those. I guess Superbia/Rels/kita are the most likely town out of those (since they voted NO), but still... I'm like 90% sure rayn is town and not at all sure that Superbia/Rels/kita are all town.
only hts voted yes to pass the mission...
I didn't say HTS voted NO?
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