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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 07 2015 16:24 GMT
#1761
On November 08 2015 01:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2015 01:19 Xatalos wrote:
And if we fail this mission, I think it's pretty much over?

not even close.


You think we can easily nominate 3 all-town missions in a row afterwards?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 07 2015 16:26 GMT
#1762
On November 08 2015 01:24 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2015 01:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 08 2015 01:19 Xatalos wrote:
And if we fail this mission, I think it's pretty much over?

not even close.


You think we can easily nominate 3 all-town missions in a row afterwards?

no but it doesnt get much harder even if this mission fails.
table for two on a tv tray
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 07 2015 16:26 GMT
#1763
On November 07 2015 22:28 Half the Sky wrote:
Actually I missed this quote about Xatalos' read on you SL.

Show nested quote +
On November 07 2015 08:53 Xatalos wrote:
I guess SL's position on me and the missions is somewhat unnatural. He first scumreads me for not 100% townreading him at first... But he'd still want to go on a mission during my leadership, and even include me on the second mission if the first mission passed.

On November 04 2015 20:35 sicklucker wrote:
Its also not me being biased the chart says were the top 3 towns more or less as no one scum reads us. I know you town read artanis so from your pov if your town submitting that team makes sense.

No one understands the logic of putting yourself in the team better then me but you also need that team to pass and its only attempt 2 of 5 so people are still very picky like me. Also if the said mission passes it would make a likely town circle of 4 people rather then 3 im not totally sure the mechanics but that seems like a good spot to be in.


Not really sure what his read on me was at this point? Still scum? Null? It kind of feels like it's a town lean or something already.

And then when he's included with me and rayn, I'm very likely town...?

On November 05 2015 09:08 sicklucker wrote:
oh i liked the xatalos filter thing. i think we should pass this its very likely 3 towns from my pov


Would be very curious to hear about this read progression on me.


Ugh, the sad part here is that I could see both of you playing suboptimally here too. I don't think Xata should have had the reads he did on rayn, post-failure, the first two quotes he posted are IMO NAI, the second quote especially for anyone of either alignment who knows the game well can talk about the scum-packing strategy. (Kita did as well and I know I disregarded that as NAI and was townreading him on other things.)

The problem here is that when I read your filter, I can actually understand your progression on Xatalos. That actually makes Xatalos worse to me and thus of the three, the most likely scum.


If you understand it, could you explain it for SL btw?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 07 2015 16:28 GMT
#1764
On November 08 2015 01:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2015 01:24 Xatalos wrote:
On November 08 2015 01:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 08 2015 01:19 Xatalos wrote:
And if we fail this mission, I think it's pretty much over?

not even close.


You think we can easily nominate 3 all-town missions in a row afterwards?

no but it doesnt get much harder even if this mission fails.


I guess so... But it's still harder to be one step away from defeat than two.

Will have to go soon. Anything before I go?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 07 2015 16:30 GMT
#1765
Well, see you before deadline hopefully. Now AFK for a while.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
November 07 2015 16:32 GMT
#1766
##Nominate Artanis[Xp], Raynpelikoneet, Superbia, Kitaman27
Fuck the police.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 07 2015 16:32 GMT
#1767
Wait what >.> I hope you'll look at my earlier big post btw. afkz now.....
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
November 07 2015 16:35 GMT
#1768
On November 08 2015 00:51 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2015 22:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On November 07 2015 22:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 07 2015 22:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
If there is 1 scum in you/xata/sl, and I think there likely is, that means there's 2 scum in Rels/HtS/Shockeyy/Superbia/Kita and I have to select the exact 3 townies from the 5. That seems like a much harder task than selecting the player I have a strong townread on from the mission that failed.

I know but the current concensus seems to be only to talk about people who are nominated atm.
You can change your mind, but let's see what those people have to say about the team i proposed.

Okay, fair enough. I have a concert tonight though so my final team will probably be submitted around like 17:45 GMT (+00:00) unless I read enough on mobile to change my mind by the end of it.
##Nominate Artanis[Xp], Rels, kitaman27, Superbia


Not very confident on this team...

I mean, Artanis, do you currently townread the people there? Why? Or is this just a reaction test and the "final team" will be something different? I'd think it would be better to post your real suggestion well enough before the deadline.

For example, the Superbia pick doesn't seem to make much sense. You scumread him here:

Show nested quote +
On November 04 2015 20:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Since this worked so well for me last time I'm gonna go and do it again. Reads of X on Y below:
[image loading]
Things of note after I went through the filters:
-Superbia doesn't have many opinions at all. I don't like it. He was honed into one thing and one thing alone for a while and didn't really come to anything from it.
-I actually came off with a pretty strong townread on sl from it, which I was surprised by. He seems very open and aggressive in his posting which I didn't get from him when he was scum. Seems to actually be trying to do stuff.
-Surprised so many people scumread Rels still. He seems really active to me and pushing things. Can people explain this?
-Still actually kinda leaning scum on HtS. She seems highly defensive, and in hindsight I still don't really like how she mentioned how I didn't have much time, yet still tried to push a fear read based on not doing much.

Also, Rayn should be on whichever next mission. I also find it odd that shockeyy's actually suspicious of him, I'm not sure that's actually a good play as mafia to do but eh. Could be newbie scum I suppose.


And there's nothing to indicate you think he's town afterwards? Did his NO vote really matter that much? Or shockeyy/HTS just look worse?

The kita and Rels additions I can somewhat understand. You already townread them before, and neither wanted the previous mission to go through when it should have been scum's main goal to make it approved...

I'm not really sold on the logic that none of us in the first mission should be sent on the second mission though. Since there's probably only one scum on the first team (like rayn said - scum rayn wouldn't probably be eager to send scum SL on the mission with him), I'd think there would be an equal chance of picking town on the team inside or outside the first team (2/3 chance). What's more, SL is quite a lot more likely to be scum than rayn based on play, so all the less reason to exclude us from the mission... Even rayn seemed to agree with excluding us though, but why would that be the obvious solution? I don't really see it. There are just too many potential scum outside of the first mission team. Even if Superbia/kita/Rels all voted NO (townie points, I'll admit), it's not far-fetched for scum to be included there. Meanwhile I'm pretty sure rayn is town and I'm quite clearly town as well, so... Including both of us, or at least me/rayn, would make the mission all-town quite a bit more likely.

The scumteam should be SL + 2 out of shockeyy/HTS/Superbia/Rels/kita. I don't think I can vote YES on a team that has most of its members from those. I guess Superbia/Rels/kita are the most likely town out of those (since they voted NO), but still... I'm like 90% sure rayn is town and not at all sure that Superbia/Rels/kita are all town.

rayn, would be nice if you explained what's the logic behind excluding us two? Just so that the mission is more likely to be voted YES? I don't think it makes sense to make people vote YES at the expense of more likely including scum :/ We still have several leader cycles after all, and you're even next in order yourself.

As for Artanis himself, I'm not as confident on him as on rayn (voted YES and has previously been very townie as scum), but I guess we'll just have to bet on him. It's kind of like how we couldn't afford to lynch him if this was normal Mafia.

I just felt the way Superbia interacted later on was very townie. I also said earlier I wanted to send Rayn on the mission, but then Rayn came with an idea.

I think you're town, but I'm not entirely sure. I'm more certain on Superbia because when he did end up posting it looked really good and like he was trying to figure shit out, plus the NO vote helps yes.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 07 2015 16:35 GMT
#1769
On November 08 2015 01:28 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2015 01:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 08 2015 01:24 Xatalos wrote:
On November 08 2015 01:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 08 2015 01:19 Xatalos wrote:
And if we fail this mission, I think it's pretty much over?

not even close.


You think we can easily nominate 3 all-town missions in a row afterwards?

no but it doesnt get much harder even if this mission fails.


I guess so... But it's still harder to be one step away from defeat than two.

Will have to go soon. Anything before I go?

not really, no. i just wanted to see if you both initially disagree with the team.
table for two on a tv tray
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 07 2015 16:39 GMT
#1770
On November 08 2015 00:59 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2015 00:54 sicklucker wrote:
xata

The scumteam should be SL + 2 out of shockeyy/HTS/Superbia/Rels/kita. I don't think I can vote YES on a team that has most of its members from those. I guess Superbia/Rels/kita are the most likely town out of those (since they voted NO), but still... I'm like 90% sure rayn is town and not at all sure that Superbia/Rels/kita are all town.

only hts voted yes to pass the mission...


I didn't say HTS voted NO?


everyone you think is scum with me voted no for my misson to pass lol
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 07 2015 16:40 GMT
#1771
On November 08 2015 01:00 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2015 00:55 sicklucker wrote:
xata why am I scum


Mainly because I think rayn is town. Also because you still haven't answered how your read progression on me worked until now, and why Rels is 100% town. If you want to convince me otherwise, start from there.


i dont beleve you acualy care about this. your just jumping on that train. its the dumbest shit ever i explained it 5 times
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 07 2015 16:41 GMT
#1772
On November 08 2015 01:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sicklucker why are you questioning Xatalos when you think i am more likely to be mafia?


because im not sure? lol Da fuck? ive said im not sure many times you mad im looking town?
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 07 2015 16:42 GMT
#1773
On November 08 2015 01:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2015 00:51 Xatalos wrote:
rayn, would be nice if you explained what's the logic behind excluding us two? Just so that the mission is more likely to be voted YES? I don't think it makes sense to make people vote YES at the expense of more likely including scum :/ We still have several leader cycles after all, and you're even next in order yourself.

You mean this?
Because i can't be 100% sure of which of you two is mafia.

If you think Shockeyy/HtS/SL is the scumteam why are you not okay with the current team?

Like neither of you is okay with the current team so i think the team is all town.


HOLY SHIT THEY ACUALY QEUSTIONED EACH OTHER AFTER 2 DAYS!. maybe rayns the town after all
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 07 2015 16:43 GMT
#1774
Artanis why do you want to change the team if you think i am town?
table for two on a tv tray
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 07 2015 16:44 GMT
#1775
whats the team anyway rayn. maybe ill gamble on you being town since towns doomed anyway
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 07 2015 16:44 GMT
#1776
the submitted team
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 07 2015 16:44 GMT
#1777
On November 08 2015 01:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
##Nominate Artanis[Xp], Raynpelikoneet, Superbia, Kitaman27
Fuck the police.


ok no never voting.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 07 2015 16:45 GMT
#1778
it was Artanis/kitaman/Superbia/Rels
now it is Artanis/kitaman/Superbia/rayn
table for two on a tv tray
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 07 2015 16:46 GMT
#1779
acualy there is a town whee its like xata/ shockey/ +1 but even if its that world the third scum is probably one of those 4
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 07 2015 16:47 GMT
#1780
i would vote yes for artanis/rayn/rels/super

i think... maybe... only because im mad at the town and want this to end
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