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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On November 08 2015 02:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am genuinely curious kitaman.
Do you think i am scum? If i am i must be scum with someone on the team right?
Who is that someone?
Right now I'm thinking SL was the spy last mission, though I'm not completely town reading Xat.
I think you're playing sub-optimally if you are town. Sending those four means you have to be perfect on your HTS/Shockyy/(1 from mission 1) assumption.
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On November 08 2015 02:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2015 02:08 kitaman27 wrote:On November 08 2015 02:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 08 2015 02:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 08 2015 01:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 08 2015 01:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 08 2015 01:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 08 2015 01:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 08 2015 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Artanis why do you want to change the team if you think i am town? Because I think Rels is mafia and you are town. If Rels is mafia why do both of SL and Xatalos say they will vote no? To look better and/or because they scumread Rels of course. Why do they not change their read on Rels based on what i said? Actually Xatalos doesn't even scumread Rels... Or like, he has three other people who are "more likely to be mafia than Rels", yet he STILL wants to downvote the team. Well, I'm willing to add Rels if you're that confident. But if he ends up being scum I will blame you postgame  the thing is if the mission somehow gets sabotaged, people will blame me. and i will get mad for it. and both of the possible mafia (SL/Xata) don't want the team (excluding me) to go anyways. I think it is just better play, and i think Rels is not mafia. You can blame me post game if he is scum. This makes no sense. You prioritize whether or not people will blame you over whether or not mission two will pass? If mission two fails, the game is almost certainly over. How townie you look at that point would be the least of your worries. No it isn't. As i said whoever Artanis nominates i am gonna vote yes for (unless he puts both of SL/Xatalos onto the team). I am just giving my opinion. Why do you disagree with me wanting to swap myself with Rels, you are townreading him, no?
What if he votes for me on the team?
On November 08 2015 02:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2015 02:12 kitaman27 wrote:On November 08 2015 02:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 08 2015 02:08 kitaman27 wrote:On November 08 2015 02:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 08 2015 02:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 08 2015 01:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 08 2015 01:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 08 2015 01:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 08 2015 01:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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Because I think Rels is mafia and you are town. If Rels is mafia why do both of SL and Xatalos say they will vote no? To look better and/or because they scumread Rels of course. Why do they not change their read on Rels based on what i said? Actually Xatalos doesn't even scumread Rels... Or like, he has three other people who are "more likely to be mafia than Rels", yet he STILL wants to downvote the team. Well, I'm willing to add Rels if you're that confident. But if he ends up being scum I will blame you postgame the thing is if the mission somehow gets sabotaged, people will blame me. and i will get mad for it. and both of the possible mafia (SL/Xata) don't want the team (excluding me) to go anyways. I think it is just better play, and i think Rels is not mafia. You can blame me post game if he is scum. This makes no sense. You prioritize whether or not people will blame you over whether or not mission two will pass? If mission two fails, the game is almost certainly over. How townie you look at that point would be the least of your worries. No it isn't. As i said whoever Artanis nominates i am gonna vote yes for (unless he puts both of SL/Xatalos onto the team). I am just giving my opinion. Why do you disagree with me wanting to swap myself with Rels, you are townreading him, no? What % sure are you that HTS is scum right now? I think the team is hts/shockeyy/sicklucker. I can't give any percentage. I don't know why should i. If you really want some kind of a percentage atm it is 100% for me.
LOL, HtS is sort of one of my scum reads and I'm definitely one of hers...
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On November 08 2015 02:15 kitaman27 wrote:
I think you're playing sub-optimally if you are town. Sending those four means you have to be perfect on your HTS/Shockyy/(1 from mission 1) assumption.
Okay. To be honest i am most confident of Artanis being scum outside the mission 1 and hts/shockeyy.
I really don't think Rels is mafia. Therefore it doesn't matter at all if me - Rels goes onto a mission, and i can't make Artanis swap himself with me right?
And after all i think he is not scum anyways. You can't win this game as town if you do not accept missions where you are not in by yourself. Excluding Xatalos 100% form the mission is just a pre-caution in case i am wrong, since while i think your read on him is bad, i also realize there is a possibility that i am wrong and you are not.
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On November 07 2015 10:37 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 10:09 sicklucker wrote:On November 07 2015 08:22 kitaman27 wrote:On November 06 2015 19:33 sicklucker wrote:On November 06 2015 18:39 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 14:55 sicklucker wrote:
This "qeustion" so dumb I dont know what angle your trying to pull here but it does not make me scum.
Artanis/me/rayn is the team I wanted and xata is the team I got. I explained why I somewhat townread xata and was happy with voting. The question is clear and has nothing to do with what you just said: On November 05 2015 23:17 kitaman27 wrote:On November 05 2015 18:36 sicklucker wrote:
when i said the team is all town i ment me/rayn/artanis there.. On November 05 2015 08:03 Superbia wrote:
This one is probably going to get rejected straight out bc there's a good chance SL will just continue to lurk. =/ Artanis would've gotten some votes. On November 05 2015 08:09 sicklucker wrote:
super likely mafia. Im positive he has no reason to scum read me he just needs an excuse not to vote the all town team So these were the posts that came within 6 minutes of each other. Super said the team would get rejected with SL, but Artanis would have gotten votes instead. Now how could you think the team was SL/rayn/artanis if super is stating that artanis should have been included in the same exact post that you respond that he is scum? then i just dont understand english I'll try to make it as simple as possible: 1) Superbia says that the team will get rejected because artanis should have been chosen instead of SL 2) You call Superbia for wanting to reject the all town team 3) The all town team that you claim to have been referring to was SL/rayn/artanis, rather than SL/rayn/xat How could 3 be true if he is clearly stating that he wanted artanis instead of SL? ok i called it an all town team. I was suspicious of super The reason you say you are suspicious of super isn't possible though. You called him scum because you say you thought he wanted to reject SL/rayn/artanis. You can't think he was referring to a SL/rayn/artanis team because he said he wanted Artanis instead of SL in the post you called him scum for. How can he want artanis in place of SL if they are both in the team you think he is referring to? Does anyone else get what I'm saying or am I talking to a wall?
I do. This makes no sense.
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On November 08 2015 02:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2015 02:15 kitaman27 wrote:
I think you're playing sub-optimally if you are town. Sending those four means you have to be perfect on your HTS/Shockyy/(1 from mission 1) assumption. Okay. To be honest i am most confident of Artanis being scum outside the mission 1 and hts/shockeyy. I really don't think Rels is mafia. Therefore it doesn't matter at all if me - Rels goes onto a mission, and i can't make Artanis swap himself with me right? And after all i think he is not scum anyways. You can't win this game as town if you do not accept missions where you are not in by yourself. Excluding Xatalos 100% form the mission is just a pre-caution in case i am wrong, since while i think your read on him is bad, i also realize there is a possibility that i am wrong and you are not.
This guy doesn't even know who to label as scum anymore...
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On November 08 2015 02:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2015 02:15 kitaman27 wrote:
I think you're playing sub-optimally if you are town. Sending those four means you have to be perfect on your HTS/Shockyy/(1 from mission 1) assumption. Okay. To be honest i am most confident of Artanis being scum outside the mission 1 and hts/shockeyy. I really don't think Rels is mafia. Therefore it doesn't matter at all if me - Rels goes onto a mission, and i can't make Artanis swap himself with me right?
Yes, you can. Your policy that you will pass any Artanis mission is what is keeping you from nominating yourself over him, no?
Is there not a difference between "I think X is town" and "I know I am town"?
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On November 08 2015 02:21 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2015 02:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 08 2015 02:15 kitaman27 wrote:
I think you're playing sub-optimally if you are town. Sending those four means you have to be perfect on your HTS/Shockyy/(1 from mission 1) assumption. Okay. To be honest i am most confident of Artanis being scum outside the mission 1 and hts/shockeyy. I really don't think Rels is mafia. Therefore it doesn't matter at all if me - Rels goes onto a mission, and i can't make Artanis swap himself with me right? Yes, you can. Your policy that you will pass any Artanis mission is what is keeping you from nominating yourself over him, no? Is there not a difference between "I think X is town" and "I know I am town"?
have we voted yet?
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I didn't really want to bring this up but meh... you had to ask. ^^
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On November 07 2015 18:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I suggest you pick yourself, Rels, kitaman and Superbia.
It will get nay-voted anyways but meh.
I won't vote for any team that has one of the two YES voters not on the team (HTS and Arta). It's 99% sure there is one scum between them, and XX% there is two. I have no idea how to calculate XX but I can assure it's a big number.
The best plan here, regardless of reads, is to send 3 of the NO voters + 1 of the failure team. The NO voters have at most one mafia between them, and possibly none; so it's the biggest chance of success. And if the mission fails, there is a big chance the 1 from the failure team is mafia.
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On November 08 2015 02:24 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 18:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I suggest you pick yourself, Rels, kitaman and Superbia.
It will get nay-voted anyways but meh. I won't vote for any team that has one of the two YES voters not on the team (HTS and Arta). It's 99% sure there is one scum between them, and XX% there is two. I have no idea how to calculate XX but I can assure it's a big number. The best plan here, regardless of reads, is to send 3 of the NO voters + 1 of the failure team. The NO voters have at most one mafia between them, and possibly none; so it's the biggest chance of success. And if the mission fails, there is a big chance the 1 from the failure team is mafia.
would you vote yes on a team with me in it if it doesn't include Artanis/SL/Xatalos/HtS?
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On November 07 2015 19:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 09:52 Rels wrote:On November 07 2015 09:45 Xatalos wrote:On November 07 2015 09:16 Rels wrote:On November 07 2015 08:00 Fidei86 wrote:
!!! MISSION FAILED !!!
1 Sabotage action detected.
Day 2
Artanis[Xp]'s Nomination Phase
Phase will end in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00) on 7 November 2015. Alright then we have at least one scum in Xata / rayn / SL. Then I think we have at the very least 2 scums in Xata / rayn / SL / HTS / Arta, maybe 3. I think that's a reasonable assumption... But rayn is most likely town, so I guess that would mean HTS, Artanis and SL would be scum? Kind of hard to see at least Artanis being scum, HTS maybe. So I'd guess there are 1+ scum hiding in the NO votes as well. Don't know, I'm kinda re evaluating everything here. The obvious answer to me is "rayn is scum, SL is town, rayn put SL to blame him when the team fails." Then at least HTS or Arta with him, maybe both. But SL is not obvious town either, so I'm not sure. And let's not forget YOU are the one that nominated the failing team. If you're scum, that would mean you broke your meta, but that's possible. Okay, hold up, timeline: 1. Rels considered SL scummy. 2. Rels started considering Rayn scummy. 3. Rels still considered SL scummy. 4. Mission fails. 5. Rels considers SL obvious town because he's being set up by Rayn. What happened between 3 and 5 that made you think it's MORE likely for SL to be town after the mission fails?
The fact that rayn is more likely to be scum. And you didn't read properly: I said "SL is not obvious town either, so I'm not sure", so I don't know why you say "5. Rels considers SL obvious town because he's being set up by Rayn."
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and then this guy gives me a headache again... 
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On November 08 2015 02:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2015 02:24 Rels wrote:On November 07 2015 18:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I suggest you pick yourself, Rels, kitaman and Superbia.
It will get nay-voted anyways but meh. I won't vote for any team that has one of the two YES voters not on the team (HTS and Arta). It's 99% sure there is one scum between them, and XX% there is two. I have no idea how to calculate XX but I can assure it's a big number. The best plan here, regardless of reads, is to send 3 of the NO voters + 1 of the failure team. The NO voters have at most one mafia between them, and possibly none; so it's the biggest chance of success. And if the mission fails, there is a big chance the 1 from the failure team is mafia. would you vote yes on a team with me in it if it doesn't include Artanis/SL/Xatalos/HtS?
Maybe. I would prefer SL or Xatalos instead of you. But I prefer you to HTS / Arta.
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On November 08 2015 02:31 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2015 02:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 08 2015 02:24 Rels wrote:On November 07 2015 18:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I suggest you pick yourself, Rels, kitaman and Superbia.
It will get nay-voted anyways but meh. I won't vote for any team that has one of the two YES voters not on the team (HTS and Arta). It's 99% sure there is one scum between them, and XX% there is two. I have no idea how to calculate XX but I can assure it's a big number. The best plan here, regardless of reads, is to send 3 of the NO voters + 1 of the failure team. The NO voters have at most one mafia between them, and possibly none; so it's the biggest chance of success. And if the mission fails, there is a big chance the 1 from the failure team is mafia. would you vote yes on a team with me in it if it doesn't include Artanis/SL/Xatalos/HtS? Maybe. I would prefer SL or Xatalos instead of you. But I prefer you to HTS / Arta.
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So you think i am the most likely person to be scum in the failed mission but you want to send ME instead of HtS/Artanis.....
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On November 07 2015 19:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 19:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 19:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 07 2015 19:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 19:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 07 2015 18:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 18:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really think you should pick Rels. You will never get this team yay-voted. Why do you suddenly think Rels is town? Because it doesn't make sense that 2 sscum voted nay and Shockeyy is 100% scum. I can see it making sense. When scum scumread players on the suggested team, they can't yayvote regardless of what they want. Shockey scumread you and xata and rels scumread you and SL. Even if they wanted to yayvote, they couldn't given their reads. Though I guess I can see how Rels' scumread on both of you came after the team was already nominated, so it was a choice and he didn't really need to turn around and do that. I need to check if he scumread SL before the team was suggested now. I mean like if you look at the things from my perspective: If i assume you are town (or from your perspective -- if you assume i am town), the Xatalos/rayn/SL team is probably the best mafia can get. I don't believe any of Rels/kitaman/Superbia is dumb enough to not realise that, given that the next two leaders are you and me. If the mission gets nay-voted, you will probably pick yourself (town), me (town) and someone else (possibly town). It just doesn't make any sense for any of them to downvote the mission (which is also accepted by townies). It doesn't even matter if the mafia is SL or Xatalos, if you wanna go down that road (that Xatalos is scum). Shockeyy has already proven he has no idea what he is doing anyways. And i highly doubt Xatalos, as scum, would pick two scum onto the mission, and i know, if i was scum, i would downvote the mission with 2 scum in it, because it is highly likely that none of the three people will get picked onte the next missions and suddenly you have 6 players where only one is mafia, and people won't even listen to you as you were on a mission that failed. It is just bad play to nominate 2 scum onto a mission, i know i am not mafia, so there has to be exactly 1 mafia on the mission. I agree that Kita and Superbia are likely town, ergo why I nominated them. I just don't think you can make it as clear cut as "they voted no so they're likely town". You establish reads during the game and if you yay-vote a team where you scumread 1-2 people on it, you're basically outing yourself. I don't think it clears him for that reason. I also don't think you can downvote the mission if you townread everyone on it. That just doesn't make any sense. I know Rels scumread Superbia and HtS before the mission went on. idk who was his third scumread at that time. Me? or SL?
I was suspicious of Xata around the time of team nomination, until I did that filter length analysis.
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i suddenly retract from my townread on Rels.
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On November 08 2015 02:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So you think i am the most likely person to be scum in the failed mission but you want to send ME instead of HtS/Artanis.....
Yes there is a big chance HTS and Arta are both scum.
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On November 08 2015 02:34 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2015 02:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So you think i am the most likely person to be scum in the failed mission but you want to send ME instead of HtS/Artanis..... Yes there is a big chance HTS and Arta are both scum.
but you want to send your scumread from mission one.
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