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On November 13 2015 09:05 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2015 08:47 sicklucker wrote:
Anyway since hts thinks I somewhat have to justify myself being an obviuos town its my filter. If you ever want to tell the different between me town game and my mafia game just look at my filter. I have never had this big of a filter as mafia in like my 12 mafia games on tl... 22 pages as scum in Battle of the Drams 24 pages as scum in TL Mafia LXX: Guardians of the Galaxy 19 pages as scum in Void meh filter length is null here
HAHAHA BUSTED
AGAIN, NICE TRY THOUGH
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On November 13 2015 09:08 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2015 08:02 NocturneMage wrote:
Shockey's Nomination Phase - End
ShoCkeyy has nominated the following team for Mission 3:
(1) Shockey
(2) Vivax
(3) Half the Sky
(4) sicklucker
Please PM your votes to Fidei86 and Tictock.
You may switch your vote as often as you like, until the deadline.
Deadline is in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00), 13 November. What was the team you wanted to make shockeyy...? At least I very much doubt there isn't scum in this team, with it including both SL/HTS.... The scumteam is probably SL/HTS/Rels at this point. SL even just for the first failed mission, HTS for just making really crappy reasons to scumread people (as noted by basically everyone who read her posts so far) and Rels for voting YES last team when he still scumread people on it.... I think shockeyy and kita just have to be town by PoE. So I think that's about it... Unfortunately Rels is next, but perhaps kita could be able to put up a decent team.
How is HTS scummier than Arta ? And why are you scumreading me again ? Last time it was "mm Rels has a good scumgame maybe he's scum".
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On November 13 2015 09:10 sicklucker wrote:
But theres a few pages in this thread where I have like 20 straight posts? come on thats so my town tell
Man if the filter length argument was busted, I'm pretty sure that can be busted too. Maybe I'll get to it later. FOR SCIENCE
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On November 13 2015 19:24 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2015 07:08 Half the Sky wrote:On November 13 2015 06:56 Vivax wrote:
I can tell you already that I would send or accept HTS/Coag/Artanis/myself.
I can compromise on swapping myself out with either Shockey or Xata (who I think is more likely to be town than SL) if you don't trust me.
If you also TR rayn who in my opinion is a good player but had to be wrong on someone last cycle, that sort of coincides with his reads, with exception of HTS/Shockey. I'm so sure on Xatalos and Rels as spies at this point but if we must compromise and you want SL out, then Shockey in for sure. Also the frustrating thing here is that rayn is town but Coag needs to do his part in getting Shockey out of the tunnel. Goddamnit. Part of the problem there from Shockey's POV is that rayn voted for two failed missions and was in two failed missions but that must mean that who else is scum? But there's a reason that not even scum are trying to bury him for that even. His reads were off this game (Shockey/myself) so that should lend clear to him as to why he voted that way and put the people on his mission that he did. And to be quite frank, if it comes down to you and Xatalos, I would take you over Xatalos by a country mile. Because I really really think he's mafia and if he gets on a team again, this game is over. HTS you need to stop being so tunneled and THINKYou are town => Arta is scum Others have to decide which of you, or if both of you are scum, but you have a big chance: you know your alignement. Two people voted YES on the first team and wasn't on the first team: there is 99% chance one of them if scum. And YOU are one of them.Here you are pushing a me + Vivax or me + kita team, which is extremely unlikely. I know where you are. I was tunneled on you with rayn before, specificaly for that reason: you refuse to admit two people voting NO is next to impossible with such a close vote. Your stubborness modkilled rayn. Don't make it lose the game and think; even if you can't decide I'm town, at least stop townreading Arta, 'cause it doesn't make sense. BTW if you're scum and Arta is town, fucking WP. I mean, it's more Arta failing than you being good in this case, but WP for keeping the effort.
Have you already forgotten that one of HtS and I HAS to be town unless Rayn is scum? Your memory must be really crappy.
Also, stop pushing the whole scum has to have voted yes on the first mission. You said yourself bussing makes sense for scum in this setup. It's very possible that they positioned themselves to not be able to vote yes for the first mission. My reasons for voting yes make perfect sense.
Why is a you + Vivax or Kita team so unlikely, and how the hell did you get such a strong townread on HtS after being incredibly tunneled on her not too long ago?
I've also done more than my fair share of work and I've explained everything I've done. You on the other hand make no sense.
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On November 13 2015 09:25 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2015 09:18 kitaman27 wrote:On November 13 2015 09:08 Xatalos wrote:On November 13 2015 08:02 NocturneMage wrote:
Shockey's Nomination Phase - End
ShoCkeyy has nominated the following team for Mission 3:
(1) Shockey
(2) Vivax
(3) Half the Sky
(4) sicklucker
Please PM your votes to Fidei86 and Tictock.
You may switch your vote as often as you like, until the deadline.
Deadline is in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00), 13 November. What was the team you wanted to make shockeyy...? At least I very much doubt there isn't scum in this team, with it including both SL/HTS.... The scumteam is probably SL/HTS/Rels at this point. SL even just for the first failed mission, HTS for just making really crappy reasons to scumread people (as noted by basically everyone who read her posts so far) and Rels for voting YES last team when he still scumread people on it.... I think shockeyy and kita just have to be town by PoE. So I think that's about it... Unfortunately Rels is next, but perhaps kita could be able to put up a decent team. HTS + Rels? Could you elaborate? Basically HTS started the game scumreading Rels, but went to townread him when it mattered (he was nominated).... Both have also had some of the most shady votes around (HTS upvoting every failed team without being part of them even, and Rels upvoting the last failed team when logically he shouldn't have.....).
That is pretty true she only townread me for a short time when I was in a failing team, then she went back to scumread me after the team failed. Why does it make me scum instead of the fall guy though ?
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On November 13 2015 19:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2015 19:24 Rels wrote:On November 13 2015 07:08 Half the Sky wrote:On November 13 2015 06:56 Vivax wrote:
I can tell you already that I would send or accept HTS/Coag/Artanis/myself.
I can compromise on swapping myself out with either Shockey or Xata (who I think is more likely to be town than SL) if you don't trust me.
If you also TR rayn who in my opinion is a good player but had to be wrong on someone last cycle, that sort of coincides with his reads, with exception of HTS/Shockey. I'm so sure on Xatalos and Rels as spies at this point but if we must compromise and you want SL out, then Shockey in for sure. Also the frustrating thing here is that rayn is town but Coag needs to do his part in getting Shockey out of the tunnel. Goddamnit. Part of the problem there from Shockey's POV is that rayn voted for two failed missions and was in two failed missions but that must mean that who else is scum? But there's a reason that not even scum are trying to bury him for that even. His reads were off this game (Shockey/myself) so that should lend clear to him as to why he voted that way and put the people on his mission that he did. And to be quite frank, if it comes down to you and Xatalos, I would take you over Xatalos by a country mile. Because I really really think he's mafia and if he gets on a team again, this game is over. HTS you need to stop being so tunneled and THINKYou are town => Arta is scum Others have to decide which of you, or if both of you are scum, but you have a big chance: you know your alignement. Two people voted YES on the first team and wasn't on the first team: there is 99% chance one of them if scum. And YOU are one of them.Here you are pushing a me + Vivax or me + kita team, which is extremely unlikely. I know where you are. I was tunneled on you with rayn before, specificaly for that reason: you refuse to admit two people voting NO is next to impossible with such a close vote. Your stubborness modkilled rayn. Don't make it lose the game and think; even if you can't decide I'm town, at least stop townreading Arta, 'cause it doesn't make sense. BTW if you're scum and Arta is town, fucking WP. I mean, it's more Arta failing than you being good in this case, but WP for keeping the effort. Have you already forgotten that one of HtS and I HAS to be town unless Rayn is scum? Your memory must be really crappy. Also, stop pushing the whole scum has to have voted yes on the first mission. You said yourself bussing makes sense for scum in this setup. It's very possible that they positioned themselves to not be able to vote yes for the first mission. My reasons for voting yes make perfect sense. Why is a you + Vivax or Kita team so unlikely, and how the hell did you get such a strong townread on HtS after being incredibly tunneled on her not too long ago? I've also done more than my fair share of work and I've explained everything I've done. You on the other hand make no sense.
"Have you already forgotten that one of HtS and I HAS to be town unless Rayn is scum? Your memory must be really crappy." <=> "how the hell did you get such a strong townread on HtS after being incredibly tunneled on her not too long ago?"
You answer yourself. One of you is scum, and both of you, although possible, is super unlikely. HTS is townier than you => you are scum.
What is your read on HTS ?
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On November 13 2015 19:38 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2015 19:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 13 2015 19:24 Rels wrote:On November 13 2015 07:08 Half the Sky wrote:On November 13 2015 06:56 Vivax wrote:
I can tell you already that I would send or accept HTS/Coag/Artanis/myself.
I can compromise on swapping myself out with either Shockey or Xata (who I think is more likely to be town than SL) if you don't trust me.
If you also TR rayn who in my opinion is a good player but had to be wrong on someone last cycle, that sort of coincides with his reads, with exception of HTS/Shockey. I'm so sure on Xatalos and Rels as spies at this point but if we must compromise and you want SL out, then Shockey in for sure. Also the frustrating thing here is that rayn is town but Coag needs to do his part in getting Shockey out of the tunnel. Goddamnit. Part of the problem there from Shockey's POV is that rayn voted for two failed missions and was in two failed missions but that must mean that who else is scum? But there's a reason that not even scum are trying to bury him for that even. His reads were off this game (Shockey/myself) so that should lend clear to him as to why he voted that way and put the people on his mission that he did. And to be quite frank, if it comes down to you and Xatalos, I would take you over Xatalos by a country mile. Because I really really think he's mafia and if he gets on a team again, this game is over. HTS you need to stop being so tunneled and THINKYou are town => Arta is scum Others have to decide which of you, or if both of you are scum, but you have a big chance: you know your alignement. Two people voted YES on the first team and wasn't on the first team: there is 99% chance one of them if scum. And YOU are one of them.Here you are pushing a me + Vivax or me + kita team, which is extremely unlikely. I know where you are. I was tunneled on you with rayn before, specificaly for that reason: you refuse to admit two people voting NO is next to impossible with such a close vote. Your stubborness modkilled rayn. Don't make it lose the game and think; even if you can't decide I'm town, at least stop townreading Arta, 'cause it doesn't make sense. BTW if you're scum and Arta is town, fucking WP. I mean, it's more Arta failing than you being good in this case, but WP for keeping the effort. Have you already forgotten that one of HtS and I HAS to be town unless Rayn is scum? Your memory must be really crappy. Also, stop pushing the whole scum has to have voted yes on the first mission. You said yourself bussing makes sense for scum in this setup. It's very possible that they positioned themselves to not be able to vote yes for the first mission. My reasons for voting yes make perfect sense. Why is a you + Vivax or Kita team so unlikely, and how the hell did you get such a strong townread on HtS after being incredibly tunneled on her not too long ago? I've also done more than my fair share of work and I've explained everything I've done. You on the other hand make no sense. "Have you already forgotten that one of HtS and I HAS to be town unless Rayn is scum? Your memory must be really crappy." <=> "how the hell did you get such a strong townread on HtS after being incredibly tunneled on her not too long ago?" You answer yourself. One of you is scum, and both of you, although possible, is super unlikely. HTS is townier than you => you are scum. What is your read on HTS ?
One of us doesn't have to be scum at all and you keep saying that but it makes no sense. There's AT MOST one scum between me/HtS/Shockeyy and I think there's none.
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Also going "Hey I have two scumreads, one is slightly stronger than the other."
"Oh it turns out one of them has to be town, let's presume the one that's stronger is scum and not do any work on actually doing more research on it."
Doesn't particularly strike me as a townie mindset.
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On November 13 2015 19:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also going "Hey I have two scumreads, one is slightly stronger than the other."
"Oh it turns out one of them has to be town, let's presume the one that's stronger is scum and not do any work on actually doing more research on it."
Doesn't particularly strike me as a townie mindset.
It doesn't make sense to go from "Arta and HTS are both scum" to "wait they can't be both scums unless rayn is scum, so let's assume the scummiest is scum" after the second mission fails ? What does not make sense in that reasonning ?
Of course, if you reasonned that way you would have to attack HTS, who is townreading you. I'm pretty sure your read on her would be different if she was scumreading you.
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On November 12 2015 02:40 Rels wrote:
I suppose Arta / rayn / Xata makes some sense too. The relations between the three are super weird:
- Xata and Arta hard townreads each other
- Arta and rayn are super buddies that don't re evaluate on each other
- Arta and Xata have very little interaction.
So the plan would be to put two scums in the first team, so one of them exits with the universal townread, can make the second team fail; and now the plan is to put the third scum in the third team.
On November 12 2015 20:36 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2015 03:15 Fidei86 wrote:After discussion between myself and Tictock in the Host QT, and also consultation with Blazinghand, I have decided to issue a second warning to raynpelikoneet for this post. The effect of a second warning (the first warning being here) is a modkill/auto-replace, which is effective immediately.
I will begin searching for a replacement immediately. Until one is found, raynpelikoneet's slot will be eligible to go on missions, and will deemed to vote YES on all proposed missions. If his slot has the spy alignment, it will be deemed to attempt to sabotage any mission on which it is placed. His slot will be skipped for the purpose of team submission.
The OP for this game makes clear that all players are obliged to be civil and corteous to each other. The hosts recognise that Mafia/Resistance can give rise to strong emotions. However, there is a large and important difference between criticising someone's play or their decision making, and personal attacks designed only to belittle or demean. The former happens all the time, but the second will not be tolerated.
If anyone has any concerns about this action, or any further rules questions arising please contact me immediately, copying Tictock and Blazinghand. Wow rayn is probably mod-confirmed town then. I don't think scum would cross the line after being warned.
This chain of events actually makes no sense either. Rayn posted everything he posted already at this point. The fact that he got modkilled doesn't mean anything about his alignment; the risk he took was already there as he was making the posts yet Rels doesn't use it to confirm Rayn until he actually gets modkilled.
Unless you're saying that the actual modkill itself is alignment indicative it makes no sense to flip your read on Rayn to 99% sure town just for that because he couldn't know what he was doing would get him modkilled.
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On November 13 2015 19:44 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2015 19:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also going "Hey I have two scumreads, one is slightly stronger than the other."
"Oh it turns out one of them has to be town, let's presume the one that's stronger is scum and not do any work on actually doing more research on it."
Doesn't particularly strike me as a townie mindset. It doesn't make sense to go from "Arta and HTS are both scum" to "wait they can't be both scums unless rayn is scum, so let's assume the scummiest is scum" after the second mission fails ? What does not make sense in that reasonning ? Of course, if you reasonned that way you would have to attack HTS, who is townreading you. I'm pretty sure your read on her would be different if she was scumreading you.
The fact that you had two strong scumreads means it makes no sense. If you had strong reasons to suspect both of us, which you kept saying you did, a townie mindset is going "fuck, I must be pretty damn wrong, I should re-evaluate" rather than "well I guess I was wrong on one of them, let's just go with the one I suspect slightly more! #YOLO"
No, I townread her because I actually went through the re-evaluation process after confirming that there was scum on that mission and realizing that at least one of shockeyy/hts were town.
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Also, explain to me why it doesn't make sense for you to be scum with one of Kita/Vivax.
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On November 13 2015 19:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2015 02:40 Rels wrote:
I suppose Arta / rayn / Xata makes some sense too. The relations between the three are super weird:
- Xata and Arta hard townreads each other
- Arta and rayn are super buddies that don't re evaluate on each other
- Arta and Xata have very little interaction.
So the plan would be to put two scums in the first team, so one of them exits with the universal townread, can make the second team fail; and now the plan is to put the third scum in the third team. Show nested quote +On November 12 2015 20:36 Rels wrote:On November 12 2015 03:15 Fidei86 wrote:After discussion between myself and Tictock in the Host QT, and also consultation with Blazinghand, I have decided to issue a second warning to raynpelikoneet for this post. The effect of a second warning (the first warning being here) is a modkill/auto-replace, which is effective immediately.
I will begin searching for a replacement immediately. Until one is found, raynpelikoneet's slot will be eligible to go on missions, and will deemed to vote YES on all proposed missions. If his slot has the spy alignment, it will be deemed to attempt to sabotage any mission on which it is placed. His slot will be skipped for the purpose of team submission.
The OP for this game makes clear that all players are obliged to be civil and corteous to each other. The hosts recognise that Mafia/Resistance can give rise to strong emotions. However, there is a large and important difference between criticising someone's play or their decision making, and personal attacks designed only to belittle or demean. The former happens all the time, but the second will not be tolerated.
If anyone has any concerns about this action, or any further rules questions arising please contact me immediately, copying Tictock and Blazinghand. Wow rayn is probably mod-confirmed town then. I don't think scum would cross the line after being warned. This chain of events actually makes no sense either. Rayn posted everything he posted already at this point. The fact that he got modkilled doesn't mean anything about his alignment; the risk he took was already there as he was making the posts yet Rels doesn't use it to confirm Rayn until he actually gets modkilled. Unless you're saying that the actual modkill itself is alignment indicative it makes no sense to flip your read on Rayn to 99% sure town just for that because he couldn't know what he was doing would get him modkilled.
Yeah the modkill made me realize rayn had crossed a line he probably wouldn't have crossed if he was scum.
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On November 13 2015 19:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2015 19:44 Rels wrote:On November 13 2015 19:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also going "Hey I have two scumreads, one is slightly stronger than the other."
"Oh it turns out one of them has to be town, let's presume the one that's stronger is scum and not do any work on actually doing more research on it."
Doesn't particularly strike me as a townie mindset. It doesn't make sense to go from "Arta and HTS are both scum" to "wait they can't be both scums unless rayn is scum, so let's assume the scummiest is scum" after the second mission fails ? What does not make sense in that reasonning ? Of course, if you reasonned that way you would have to attack HTS, who is townreading you. I'm pretty sure your read on her would be different if she was scumreading you. The fact that you had two strong scumreads means it makes no sense. If you had strong reasons to suspect both of us, which you kept saying you did, a townie mindset is going "fuck, I must be pretty damn wrong, I should re-evaluate" rather than "well I guess I was wrong on one of them, let's just go with the one I suspect slightly more! #YOLO" No, I townread her because I actually went through the re-evaluation process after confirming that there was scum on that mission and realizing that at least one of shockeyy/hts were town.
You're saying nonsense. I have two scumreads; it's proven at least one of them is false; I keep the stronger scumread as scum.
This whole mess started because neither of HTS and you consider the other to be very likely scum, which is bullshit. I have a hard time accepting one of you as town being super stupid and doing that; no way you're both town. One of you is riding the other's stupidity.
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On November 13 2015 19:52 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2015 19:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 12 2015 02:40 Rels wrote:
I suppose Arta / rayn / Xata makes some sense too. The relations between the three are super weird:
- Xata and Arta hard townreads each other
- Arta and rayn are super buddies that don't re evaluate on each other
- Arta and Xata have very little interaction.
So the plan would be to put two scums in the first team, so one of them exits with the universal townread, can make the second team fail; and now the plan is to put the third scum in the third team. On November 12 2015 20:36 Rels wrote:On November 12 2015 03:15 Fidei86 wrote:After discussion between myself and Tictock in the Host QT, and also consultation with Blazinghand, I have decided to issue a second warning to raynpelikoneet for this post. The effect of a second warning (the first warning being here) is a modkill/auto-replace, which is effective immediately.
I will begin searching for a replacement immediately. Until one is found, raynpelikoneet's slot will be eligible to go on missions, and will deemed to vote YES on all proposed missions. If his slot has the spy alignment, it will be deemed to attempt to sabotage any mission on which it is placed. His slot will be skipped for the purpose of team submission.
The OP for this game makes clear that all players are obliged to be civil and corteous to each other. The hosts recognise that Mafia/Resistance can give rise to strong emotions. However, there is a large and important difference between criticising someone's play or their decision making, and personal attacks designed only to belittle or demean. The former happens all the time, but the second will not be tolerated.
If anyone has any concerns about this action, or any further rules questions arising please contact me immediately, copying Tictock and Blazinghand. Wow rayn is probably mod-confirmed town then. I don't think scum would cross the line after being warned. This chain of events actually makes no sense either. Rayn posted everything he posted already at this point. The fact that he got modkilled doesn't mean anything about his alignment; the risk he took was already there as he was making the posts yet Rels doesn't use it to confirm Rayn until he actually gets modkilled. Unless you're saying that the actual modkill itself is alignment indicative it makes no sense to flip your read on Rayn to 99% sure town just for that because he couldn't know what he was doing would get him modkilled. Yeah the modkill made me realize rayn had crossed a line he probably wouldn't have crossed if he was scum.
Curious how you instantly dismiss the idea that Rayn thought what he was posting is acceptable. You should be pretty familiar with his personality by now.
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On November 13 2015 19:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also, explain to me why it doesn't make sense for you to be scum with one of Kita/Vivax.
'cause I'm town. I don't think there is a good relantionship case that prove I can't be scum with Kita / Vivax.
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On November 13 2015 19:54 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2015 19:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 13 2015 19:44 Rels wrote:On November 13 2015 19:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also going "Hey I have two scumreads, one is slightly stronger than the other."
"Oh it turns out one of them has to be town, let's presume the one that's stronger is scum and not do any work on actually doing more research on it."
Doesn't particularly strike me as a townie mindset. It doesn't make sense to go from "Arta and HTS are both scum" to "wait they can't be both scums unless rayn is scum, so let's assume the scummiest is scum" after the second mission fails ? What does not make sense in that reasonning ? Of course, if you reasonned that way you would have to attack HTS, who is townreading you. I'm pretty sure your read on her would be different if she was scumreading you. The fact that you had two strong scumreads means it makes no sense. If you had strong reasons to suspect both of us, which you kept saying you did, a townie mindset is going "fuck, I must be pretty damn wrong, I should re-evaluate" rather than "well I guess I was wrong on one of them, let's just go with the one I suspect slightly more! #YOLO" No, I townread her because I actually went through the re-evaluation process after confirming that there was scum on that mission and realizing that at least one of shockeyy/hts were town. You're saying nonsense. I have two scumreads; it's proven at least one of them is false; I keep the stronger scumread as scum. This whole mess started because neither of HTS and you consider the other to be very likely scum, which is bullshit. I have a hard time accepting one of you as town being super stupid and doing that; no way you're both town. One of you is riding the other's stupidity.
That doesn't make any sense. You had two strong scumreads. One is false. Re-evaluate.
Re-evaluating is what town does when it's proven they're clearly on the wrong track. The fact that you don't reveals your alignment. I considered her likely scum until I did just that.
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On November 13 2015 19:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2015 19:52 Rels wrote:On November 13 2015 19:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 12 2015 02:40 Rels wrote:
I suppose Arta / rayn / Xata makes some sense too. The relations between the three are super weird:
- Xata and Arta hard townreads each other
- Arta and rayn are super buddies that don't re evaluate on each other
- Arta and Xata have very little interaction.
So the plan would be to put two scums in the first team, so one of them exits with the universal townread, can make the second team fail; and now the plan is to put the third scum in the third team. On November 12 2015 20:36 Rels wrote:On November 12 2015 03:15 Fidei86 wrote:After discussion between myself and Tictock in the Host QT, and also consultation with Blazinghand, I have decided to issue a second warning to raynpelikoneet for this post. The effect of a second warning (the first warning being here) is a modkill/auto-replace, which is effective immediately.
I will begin searching for a replacement immediately. Until one is found, raynpelikoneet's slot will be eligible to go on missions, and will deemed to vote YES on all proposed missions. If his slot has the spy alignment, it will be deemed to attempt to sabotage any mission on which it is placed. His slot will be skipped for the purpose of team submission.
The OP for this game makes clear that all players are obliged to be civil and corteous to each other. The hosts recognise that Mafia/Resistance can give rise to strong emotions. However, there is a large and important difference between criticising someone's play or their decision making, and personal attacks designed only to belittle or demean. The former happens all the time, but the second will not be tolerated.
If anyone has any concerns about this action, or any further rules questions arising please contact me immediately, copying Tictock and Blazinghand. Wow rayn is probably mod-confirmed town then. I don't think scum would cross the line after being warned. This chain of events actually makes no sense either. Rayn posted everything he posted already at this point. The fact that he got modkilled doesn't mean anything about his alignment; the risk he took was already there as he was making the posts yet Rels doesn't use it to confirm Rayn until he actually gets modkilled. Unless you're saying that the actual modkill itself is alignment indicative it makes no sense to flip your read on Rayn to 99% sure town just for that because he couldn't know what he was doing would get him modkilled. Yeah the modkill made me realize rayn had crossed a line he probably wouldn't have crossed if he was scum. Curious how you instantly dismiss the idea that Rayn thought what he was posting is acceptable. You should be pretty familiar with his personality by now.
Are you saying scum!rayn could have done that, and I am scum slipping and mistakenly explaining my townread by saying only town!rayn would do that ?
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On November 13 2015 19:55 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2015 19:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also, explain to me why it doesn't make sense for you to be scum with one of Kita/Vivax. 'cause I'm town. I don't think there is a good relantionship case that prove I can't be scum with Kita / Vivax.
That doesn't even make any sense whatsoever.
On November 13 2015 19:24 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2015 07:08 Half the Sky wrote:On November 13 2015 06:56 Vivax wrote:
I can tell you already that I would send or accept HTS/Coag/Artanis/myself.
I can compromise on swapping myself out with either Shockey or Xata (who I think is more likely to be town than SL) if you don't trust me.
If you also TR rayn who in my opinion is a good player but had to be wrong on someone last cycle, that sort of coincides with his reads, with exception of HTS/Shockey. I'm so sure on Xatalos and Rels as spies at this point but if we must compromise and you want SL out, then Shockey in for sure. Also the frustrating thing here is that rayn is town but Coag needs to do his part in getting Shockey out of the tunnel. Goddamnit. Part of the problem there from Shockey's POV is that rayn voted for two failed missions and was in two failed missions but that must mean that who else is scum? But there's a reason that not even scum are trying to bury him for that even. His reads were off this game (Shockey/myself) so that should lend clear to him as to why he voted that way and put the people on his mission that he did. And to be quite frank, if it comes down to you and Xatalos, I would take you over Xatalos by a country mile. Because I really really think he's mafia and if he gets on a team again, this game is over. HTS you need to stop being so tunneled and THINKYou are town => Arta is scum Others have to decide which of you, or if both of you are scum, but you have a big chance: you know your alignement. Two people voted YES on the first team and wasn't on the first team: there is 99% chance one of them if scum. And YOU are one of them. Here you are pushing a me + Vivax or me + kita team, which is extremely unlikely. I know where you are. I was tunneled on you with rayn before, specificaly for that reason: you refuse to admit two people voting NO is next to impossible with such a close vote. Your stubborness modkilled rayn. Don't make it lose the game and think; even if you can't decide I'm town, at least stop townreading Arta, 'cause it doesn't make sense. BTW if you're scum and Arta is town, fucking WP. I mean, it's more Arta failing than you being good in this case, but WP for keeping the effort.
If your only reason for it being "extremely unlikely" is that you're town, you would've said impossible. Instead, you said extremely unlikely. There's really no way you're town.
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On November 13 2015 19:57 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2015 19:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 13 2015 19:52 Rels wrote:On November 13 2015 19:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 12 2015 02:40 Rels wrote:
I suppose Arta / rayn / Xata makes some sense too. The relations between the three are super weird:
- Xata and Arta hard townreads each other
- Arta and rayn are super buddies that don't re evaluate on each other
- Arta and Xata have very little interaction.
So the plan would be to put two scums in the first team, so one of them exits with the universal townread, can make the second team fail; and now the plan is to put the third scum in the third team. On November 12 2015 20:36 Rels wrote:On November 12 2015 03:15 Fidei86 wrote:After discussion between myself and Tictock in the Host QT, and also consultation with Blazinghand, I have decided to issue a second warning to raynpelikoneet for this post. The effect of a second warning (the first warning being here) is a modkill/auto-replace, which is effective immediately.
I will begin searching for a replacement immediately. Until one is found, raynpelikoneet's slot will be eligible to go on missions, and will deemed to vote YES on all proposed missions. If his slot has the spy alignment, it will be deemed to attempt to sabotage any mission on which it is placed. His slot will be skipped for the purpose of team submission.
The OP for this game makes clear that all players are obliged to be civil and corteous to each other. The hosts recognise that Mafia/Resistance can give rise to strong emotions. However, there is a large and important difference between criticising someone's play or their decision making, and personal attacks designed only to belittle or demean. The former happens all the time, but the second will not be tolerated.
If anyone has any concerns about this action, or any further rules questions arising please contact me immediately, copying Tictock and Blazinghand. Wow rayn is probably mod-confirmed town then. I don't think scum would cross the line after being warned. This chain of events actually makes no sense either. Rayn posted everything he posted already at this point. The fact that he got modkilled doesn't mean anything about his alignment; the risk he took was already there as he was making the posts yet Rels doesn't use it to confirm Rayn until he actually gets modkilled. Unless you're saying that the actual modkill itself is alignment indicative it makes no sense to flip your read on Rayn to 99% sure town just for that because he couldn't know what he was doing would get him modkilled. Yeah the modkill made me realize rayn had crossed a line he probably wouldn't have crossed if he was scum. Curious how you instantly dismiss the idea that Rayn thought what he was posting is acceptable. You should be pretty familiar with his personality by now. Are you saying scum!rayn could have done that, and I am scum slipping and mistakenly explaining my townread by saying only town!rayn would do that ?
I'm saying that it's a bad reason to townread him. There's plenty of good reasons to and 180ing on him because of something a mod did is not one.
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