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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 13 2015 00:25 GMT
#2741
On November 13 2015 09:18 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2015 09:08 Xatalos wrote:
On November 13 2015 08:02 NocturneMage wrote:
Shockey's Nomination Phase - End
ShoCkeyy has nominated the following team for Mission 3:

(1) Shockey
(2) Vivax
(3) Half the Sky
(4) sicklucker

Please PM your votes to Fidei86 and Tictock.

You may switch your vote as often as you like, until the deadline.

Deadline is in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00), 13 November.


What was the team you wanted to make shockeyy...? At least I very much doubt there isn't scum in this team, with it including both SL/HTS....

The scumteam is probably SL/HTS/Rels at this point. SL even just for the first failed mission, HTS for just making really crappy reasons to scumread people (as noted by basically everyone who read her posts so far) and Rels for voting YES last team when he still scumread people on it....

I think shockeyy and kita just have to be town by PoE.

So I think that's about it... Unfortunately Rels is next, but perhaps kita could be able to put up a decent team.


HTS + Rels? Could you elaborate?


Basically HTS started the game scumreading Rels, but went to townread him when it mattered (he was nominated).... Both have also had some of the most shady votes around (HTS upvoting every failed team without being part of them even, and Rels upvoting the last failed team when logically he shouldn't have.....).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
November 13 2015 00:25 GMT
#2742
so when do we vote?
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 13 2015 00:25 GMT
#2743
On November 13 2015 09:18 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2015 09:11 Xatalos wrote:
On November 13 2015 09:03 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 13 2015 07:39 Vivax wrote:
Kita we need to talk, can you give me a summary entirely without quoting anything about why you think Rels is town?


He appears to be reading the thread, he is speaking logically, he is looking for contradictions and pushing them in the thread when he is ignored. Most of the stuff he has been saying makes sense. He has the opportunity to jump on shockeyy as the low hanging fruit, but chooses not to. In resistance, mafia are essentially forced to choose their scum reads based on process of elimination. Not going after someone like shockeyy when everyone else scum reads him seems townie.

He has the opportunity to align himself against Xata, but posts the filter length analysis that makes Xata look pretty decent. If I remember correctly, this was posted prior to the mission one failure meaning that he was making a player who is up for consideration look decent, while lessening his own chance of inclusion. This doesn't apply if it is Xata + Rels as the spy, but I thought the other stuff outweighed the exception.

He attacks rayn at several spots where rayn is widely seen as town, costing himself town cred. The safer option would be to sheep him there. His reads are frequently changing. He starts the game scum reading myself, rayn, and super. He then shifts to town reading us, while scum reading other players. He goes back and forth on certain players, which I feel is townie.

I haven't had the opportunity to look at the games HTS linked me yet. I will when I have more time.

Could I be wrong about Rels? Yeah, but that could apply to anyone. Right now I think he's town.


Hm, what about his last vote?


Hmm?


^
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 13 2015 00:26 GMT
#2744
On November 13 2015 09:25 Coagulation wrote:
so when do we vote?


Now And in secret, by PM'ing the hosts.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 13 2015 00:27 GMT
#2745
Have you read the game Coag? At least the voting records?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
November 13 2015 01:17 GMT
#2746
i skimmed it.. so whats the proposed team currently? and general opinion of it etc..
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 13 2015 02:00 GMT
#2747
coag if you dont read the game you probably will have no clue what to do. From what I know of you theres 0 chance you do this and its gonna be a very big game decision and you will never have good information.

The only fair thing to do as a sub here besides reading the game (which i know you wont do) is flip a coin. hes you vote yes, tails oyu vote no.

(yes im serious i would rather gamble here then coag make a random decision but I sapose thats the same thing)

The other option you have is a find a town and do what he says. you probably wont pick me so fuck that
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
November 13 2015 04:51 GMT
#2748
sicklucker do you have autism?
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 13 2015 05:05 GMT
#2749
suck my %&^$
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 13 2015 05:06 GMT
#2750
like someone who had like a 1 page filter in the two games I played with him should not be subbing into a complex game 140 pages. your basicly a random enigma who will vote randomly now and since your town that is gonna make us lose
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 13 2015 05:06 GMT
#2751
Thats more me being mad a at ryan dont take that the wrong way
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
November 13 2015 05:59 GMT
#2752
your just assuming a whole bunch of stupid bullshit for no reason. Im here reading the game and Im perfectly capable of playing /hosting resistance and our making decisions without a fucking coin flip.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 13 2015 06:41 GMT
#2753
ya well prove me wrong but i doubt it
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 13 2015 06:41 GMT
#2754
anyway ill treat you like a real boy now sorry
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12972 Posts
November 13 2015 07:55 GMT
#2755
On November 13 2015 08:31 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2015 06:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On November 12 2015 21:13 sicklucker wrote:
Also you saying that the vote was "obviuosly going to be a majority" rubs me the wrong way. when I checked out of the thread I acualy thought it was never passing. (and this is a huge reason why im mad at you) I also felt like it was a team you would have issues with. Did you really town read all of these guys enough to vote yes? really?

How does this match up with
On November 12 2015 19:46 sicklucker wrote:
Im pretty sure of the others and your crafty and kind of low key this game. Infact I was super suspicious of you untill you no voted thats probably the only reason im including you and you could be smart enough to vote for cred there since it was a landslide vote

?

Either it appeared to be a landslide and my no vote doesn't mean anything in which case your initial reason to townread me again wasn't actually anything you believed in, or it didn't actually appear to become a landslide and it does have meaning. You can't have it both ways.

Also, Rels attempting to bury me is fairly expected. I'm amazed at how quickly you changed your mind again believing someone you scumread pretty strongly. What happened?

On November 12 2015 22:20 sicklucker wrote:
Just dont follow hts suggestions and add art. hes not in your town read list and im pretty sure hes fucking scum based on day 1 vote logic and reads

So I'm scum for my Day 1 vote despite the fact that HtS did the exact same?
I also had an actually good reason for it in that if it passed I could just send the same mission + myself and win the game if you're all town. HtS didn't quite have that reason, yet for some reason it makes me scum yet doesn't make her scum.

Yeah, don't think I want SL on any mission right now.


stfu dude those were not related your so desperate. point one you made is what i expected. Point two was what really happened and me dealing with it

Of course they're related. It's about what you expect. If consensus was that it's likely to be close, then that's what I probably expected to and then my vote is very meaningful. What actually happened is irrelevant, what matters is the perception at the time.
On November 13 2015 08:34 sicklucker wrote:
"Im pretty sure of the others and your crafty and kind of low key this game. Infact I was super suspicious of you untill you no voted thats probably the only reason im including you and you could be smart enough to vote for cred there since it was a landslide vote"

I said many time in thread art I left the thread after the noms were released voted no thinking their is no way this will pass. Then I came back saw 7 votes and you were not one of them.

Like your trying to twist my words (poorly) to make me look scummy to suit your agenda I hope everyone notices what I do

No, you're saying two different things. I presume you've actually read the entire thread when you made those posts. If you didn't, that's actually a scumtell for you too as I recall you saying you don't actually read the thread as mafia.

On November 13 2015 08:47 sicklucker wrote:
Anyway since hts thinks I somewhat have to justify myself being an obviuos town its my filter. If you ever want to tell the different between me town game and my mafia game just look at my filter. I have never had this big of a filter as mafia in like my 12 mafia games on tl...

Im sure some nerd can dig up this stat submitting my vote now hopefully next time I enter the thread its not the post game thread where I will berate you all ;p

I never had more than a.. 10 page? filter as mafia either.
Then Imperial happened. People can break their meta. And then there's what Kita said about your length.

On November 13 2015 09:08 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2015 08:02 NocturneMage wrote:
Shockey's Nomination Phase - End
ShoCkeyy has nominated the following team for Mission 3:

(1) Shockey
(2) Vivax
(3) Half the Sky
(4) sicklucker

Please PM your votes to Fidei86 and Tictock.

You may switch your vote as often as you like, until the deadline.

Deadline is in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00), 13 November.


What was the team you wanted to make shockeyy...? At least I very much doubt there isn't scum in this team, with it including both SL/HTS....

The scumteam is probably SL/HTS/Rels at this point. SL even just for the first failed mission, HTS for just making really crappy reasons to scumread people (as noted by basically everyone who read her posts so far) and Rels for voting YES last team when he still scumread people on it....

I think shockeyy and kita just have to be town by PoE.

So I think that's about it... Unfortunately Rels is next, but perhaps kita could be able to put up a decent team.

I really don't think HtS is mafia Xata. You continuing to tunnel her is really bad. There's also a lot of people you're townreading that townread her. Why aren't you re-evaluating her?

On November 13 2015 09:17 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2015 07:52 Vivax wrote:
you lack one thing so far even after team 2 failed and it's you pushing your favourite team like a lot of people are doing.

You are good at talking about things and around things but I don't really see you pushing anything concrete as your own preference when you should actually know that you can be more influent than what you are pulling off with all these summaries, setup talk, iterations and occasional questions about people you mildly townread (Rels).


That's not true though.

I posted that shockeyy should not include you in his nomination. I questioned shockeyy's logic for Artanis's inclusion because his voting record isn't any better than me or Rels and that was the reasoning he was providing. I posted a read on Rels with several examples of things that I felt looked townie. I shot down the faulty logic being used on HTS from Rels. I suggested Rels or myself as alternatives to you for nominations. There are plenty instances that show that I have a preference for the nominations.

Kita/Rels/HTS/Rayn is my preferred team. I'm not going to convince shockeyy to exclude himself, which is why I went with myself/Rels in place of Vivax. It would obviously be a challenge to get this to passed, but "compromising" isn't really the priority right now. We have five days to pass a team so my focus is getting the team I think has the best chance of passing. I'm still not sure about the scum trio, but right now I'd say something like

Vivax + Artanis + (SL/Xat)

If I were to consider a compromise, it might be the inclusion of shockeyy, but I'm not sure enough that he is town in place of artanis. We have 4 more days so it's not like I have to accept the first team nominated yet.

Wait, I answered all your questions, you apparently didn't have any more yet now I'm basically confirmed scum to you? Explain yourself.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12972 Posts
November 13 2015 07:57 GMT
#2756
There really are too many scum players this game.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 13 2015 10:20 GMT
#2757
^
Life?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 13 2015 10:24 GMT
#2758
On November 13 2015 07:08 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2015 06:56 Vivax wrote:
I can tell you already that I would send or accept HTS/Coag/Artanis/myself.

I can compromise on swapping myself out with either Shockey or Xata (who I think is more likely to be town than SL) if you don't trust me.

If you also TR rayn who in my opinion is a good player but had to be wrong on someone last cycle, that sort of coincides with his reads, with exception of HTS/Shockey.


I'm so sure on Xatalos and Rels as spies at this point but if we must compromise and you want SL out, then Shockey in for sure.

Also the frustrating thing here is that rayn is town but Coag needs to do his part in getting Shockey out of the tunnel. Goddamnit.

Part of the problem there from Shockey's POV is that rayn voted for two failed missions and was in two failed missions but that must mean that who else is scum? But there's a reason that not even scum are trying to bury him for that even. His reads were off this game (Shockey/myself) so that should lend clear to him as to why he voted that way and put the people on his mission that he did.

And to be quite frank, if it comes down to you and Xatalos, I would take you over Xatalos by a country mile. Because I really really think he's mafia and if he gets on a team again, this game is over.

HTS you need to stop being so tunneled and THINK
You are town => Arta is scum

Others have to decide which of you, or if both of you are scum, but you have a big chance: you know your alignement. Two people voted YES on the first team and wasn't on the first team: there is 99% chance one of them if scum. And YOU are one of them.

Here you are pushing a me + Vivax or me + kita team, which is extremely unlikely. I know where you are. I was tunneled on you with rayn before, specificaly for that reason: you refuse to admit two people voting NO is next to impossible with such a close vote.

Your stubborness modkilled rayn. Don't make it lose the game and think; even if you can't decide I'm town, at least stop townreading Arta, 'cause it doesn't make sense.

BTW if you're scum and Arta is town, fucking WP. I mean, it's more Arta failing than you being good in this case, but WP for keeping the effort.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 13 2015 10:26 GMT
#2759
On November 13 2015 08:09 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Oh man, I just realized I didn't even nominate the team I wanted..... Work got the best of me

LOL p: what was the team you wanted ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 13 2015 10:26 GMT
#2760
On November 13 2015 08:21 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2015 02:55 Rels wrote:
On November 13 2015 02:52 Half the Sky wrote:
1h45m spent in customs....someone please kill me.

Kita, regarding the scum meta on SOTW 2 and Drams, being on mobile, I cannot quote, but I will do my best to try and direct you based on everything I recall.

From those two games, Rels thrives in environments where there are scummy townies. The same parallel is here - you have Schokey and myself scumread nearly all game until this most recent cycle and sicklucker has and still has chock decent doubt on him.

Let me try and break it down as best I can.

SOTW 2 - scumteam were Damdred/Rels/Fidei
1 The scummy townies from my own recollection from DAY ONE are: Shining (day vigged day 1)/Dandel Ion (lynched day 1 because of activity/nonsensical)/LightningStrike and there might have been one more. If I recall right, focus on the interactions between Rels vs Lightning Strike and I BELEIVE Dandel Ion. HE IS OUT TO GET THEM.

Rels is able to take control of the thread day 2 onwards because he is the only one that fully understands the complex mechanics of SOTW 2 and rayn was forced to trust him. A lot of the tone reads you cite here are present there and you will see are NAI.

Battle of the Drams - scumteam sicklucker/Rels/Shining
1 Again focus on interactions. The scummy townies this game were scott31337 (replaced in and mislynched day 1 for J-Roc a smurf who left him in a bad position), coolTLname (mislynched day 2, unfamiliar with TL mafia style coming from SC2 mafia).

He pushed Trfel hard early day 1 (607/620) from baic questions, coolTL name from #751/753 in that thread. Also look at 751/753 posts in Drams and compare that to the posts in this game where he's pushing Artanis. There are places he stretches the truth and I caught where he was doing that with Artanis this game.

And people who want to townread Rels on activity. No.

Filters -
SOTW 2 - 21 pages (3 cycles I think, endgamed n3)
Drams - 28 pages (3 cycles I think, conceded n3 as the entire scumteam was exposed)

So what scummy townie am I attacking this game ? Who are my danden ion / bm / coolTLname (lol my phone has this name registered cause I typed it so much) / JRoc ?


me?

Sry bro scummy townie != scum. Nice try though
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