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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 12 2015 22:22 GMT
#2701
Finished killing trees (print jobs) again, need to afk.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 12 2015 22:23 GMT
#2702
sicklucker - #2686 is a VERY good post by Artanis. I suggest you read it when you wake up.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22084 Posts
November 12 2015 22:28 GMT
#2703
Yep in fact kita didn't give much of a read on Rels himself but talked to Artanis and Shockey about him.

That's basically his first response to him:

Though I do wonder to myself why a spy Rels would attack me for such a ticky tack point. I'd expect a spy to push something along the lines of "kita isn't contributing what I would expect from his town play", rather than trying to paint me in a bad light from the start.


Notice the lack of omgus.

If you keep reading you will note that kita talks a lot indirectly about him in his conversations with rayn, Shockey, and Artanis.

It's the feeling that kita tries to be invisible while posting, asking a ton of questions without posting much own opinion (setup talk doesn't count). I hope you see what I mean when you read around that time.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22084 Posts
November 12 2015 22:30 GMT
#2704
On November 13 2015 07:19 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2015 07:07 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 13 2015 06:16 Half the Sky wrote:
On November 13 2015 03:31 Vivax wrote:
You don't just walk into TL and townread kita.
Especially when he pushes my slot who will start expelling massive townie bricks when I have more time for this game.

I just went a bit over Xatalos last pages and I like where his head is, actually. I need more time for this game :> , but my SL read will probably stay as it is, so will the kita read. The last mafia is tricky but I'm leaning towards HTS.


sicklucker and Kita have been at it at each other nearly all game. Why do you think (or am I misreading) they are double bussing? Are you sure those interactions are scum on scum?

How do you know that Kita isn't doing the same thing to sicklucker that you claim he's (analogously) doing to you?


I think this is more than enough evidence that he hasn't looked at me in the slightest. If he honestly isn't familiar with my interaction with SL, yet concludes that SL and myself are buddies together, how can anyone possibly think that his read is legitimate?

He attacks me for the "meh I don't care" post an hour into the game and he attacks me for the "spammy" list thing I did last night, but completely ignores any analysis relevant to the events of the game.


Kita

Vivax has said he's not have had the time to play this game. He is probably going to have bad and/or suboptimal reads regardless of alignment. Why are you suggesting (if you are?) this could be mafia motivated?


I don't think my reads are bad (I'll never know until it ends tho), I only regret that I was too optimistic on rayn already being right. I'd have done more research on kita if I had the time :/, since just voting no wouldn't have been enough.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 12 2015 22:37 GMT
#2705
On November 13 2015 07:19 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2015 07:07 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 13 2015 06:16 Half the Sky wrote:
On November 13 2015 03:31 Vivax wrote:
You don't just walk into TL and townread kita.
Especially when he pushes my slot who will start expelling massive townie bricks when I have more time for this game.

I just went a bit over Xatalos last pages and I like where his head is, actually. I need more time for this game :> , but my SL read will probably stay as it is, so will the kita read. The last mafia is tricky but I'm leaning towards HTS.


sicklucker and Kita have been at it at each other nearly all game. Why do you think (or am I misreading) they are double bussing? Are you sure those interactions are scum on scum?

How do you know that Kita isn't doing the same thing to sicklucker that you claim he's (analogously) doing to you?


I think this is more than enough evidence that he hasn't looked at me in the slightest. If he honestly isn't familiar with my interaction with SL, yet concludes that SL and myself are buddies together, how can anyone possibly think that his read is legitimate?

He attacks me for the "meh I don't care" post an hour into the game and he attacks me for the "spammy" list thing I did last night, but completely ignores any analysis relevant to the events of the game.


Kita

Vivax has said he's not have had the time to play this game. He is probably going to have bad and/or suboptimal reads regardless of alignment. Why are you suggesting (if you are?) this could be mafia motivated?


On November 13 2015 03:31 Vivax wrote:
I need more time for this game :> , but my SL read will probably stay as it is, so will the kita read.


He has already stated that more time probably won't change his reads.

Vivax decided that he needed to push me as his spy read from the moment he entered the game.

In his first post, he states that I should be excluded because of "paranoia". He says he is not sure about me, but if the mission failed, he would take a closer look at me.

The mission did fail and he states that his read on me will stay as is. Well considering his initial read was "I don't know", his read becoming mafia is not "staying as it is".

There are two possibilities here:
1) He did indeed read my filter leading to my conclusion that I'm mafia
2) He did not read my filter, yet I go from a "I don't know" read to his scum read anyways

Considering he is clearly not familiar with my interaction with SL, then option one wouldn't be true. That's why I think it is option two. He doesn't take a real look at my filter, yet decides that I'm mafia. He brings up a list of generic talking points like "lack of interest", "setup talk", "hes good at scum", "your posts are spammy not helpful", but never bothers to confirm that what he is suggesting actually makes sense.

If Vivax concludes that the mafia team is kita + SL and states that his opinion is unlikely to change, don't you think that a town Vivax would actually read my filter first?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22084 Posts
November 12 2015 22:39 GMT
#2706
Kita we need to talk, can you give me a summary entirely without quoting anything about why you think Rels is town?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22084 Posts
November 12 2015 22:44 GMT
#2707
1) He did indeed read my filter leading to my conclusion that I'm mafia
2) He did not read my filter, yet I go from a "I don't know" read to his scum read anyways


No I didn't read your entire filter but it was enough to see how you started the game off.

I can sum up that you initially dodged the Xata/my slot fight and quickly switched to setup talk, then gave a sketchy read on Rels and proceeded to not talk about him but asking people about him without really posting conclusions for yourself.

Later on you just kept pushing my slot which is the most unproductive thing I have witnessed in the game and I know that for 100 % cause I know my slot. That already cost you my trust points.

Then you went to comment on mission 2 including all of me/SL/Xata among possible mafia (in your summary of everyone's reads), with emphasis on SL. But you also said "Xata if SL is town" (which you will never know, and then included me in the remaining pool of suspects outside these two (why outside??)

Now you're pushing the notion that I'm mafia.

I'm reasonably confident this isn't your town game.

Are you okay with shockey's team having SL on it?
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 12 2015 22:47 GMT
#2708
On November 13 2015 07:39 Vivax wrote:
Kita we need to talk, can you give me a summary entirely without quoting anything about why you think Rels is town?


Okey dokey. I'm about to leave work (I've already stayed an hour late as it is). I won't have much free time this evening, but I'll do my best to get a post in.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22084 Posts
November 12 2015 22:52 GMT
#2709
Btw I'm working myself through your filter (I'm playing from a shitty laptop where I have serious lags even in firefox).

I'm at like page 6 and overall I see you posting a lot of scenarios, or summarize other people's scumreads but you lack one thing so far even after team 2 failed and it's you pushing your favourite team like a lot of people are doing.

You are good at talking about things and around things but I don't really see you pushing anything concrete as your own preference when you should actually know that you can be more influent than what you are pulling off with all these summaries, setup talk, iterations and occasional questions about people you mildly townread (Rels).
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 12 2015 22:52 GMT
#2710
On November 13 2015 07:47 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2015 07:39 Vivax wrote:
Kita we need to talk, can you give me a summary entirely without quoting anything about why you think Rels is town?


Okey dokey. I'm about to leave work (I've already stayed an hour late as it is). I won't have much free time this evening, but I'll do my best to get a post in.


Read my filter in the meantime if you can. It will take 15 minutes max I bet.

You're bringing up stuff that happened an hour into the game several times, while ignoring the remaining 250 hours. It's tough to discuss things if you are completely in the dark.

I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22084 Posts
November 12 2015 23:00 GMT
#2711
I'm not completely in the dark just cause I mention stuff that has happened earlier kita, that's just as valid for a scumread as things that happen in the present.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 12 2015 23:00 GMT
#2712
Stand by for phase change.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-12 23:05:23
November 12 2015 23:02 GMT
#2713
Shockey's Nomination Phase - End
ShoCkeyy has nominated the following team for Mission 3:

(1) Shockey
(2) Vivax
(3) Half the Sky
(4) sicklucker

Please PM your votes to Fidei86 and Tictock.

You may switch your vote as often as you like, until the deadline.

Deadline is in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00), 13 November.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22084 Posts
November 12 2015 23:04 GMT
#2714
Actually I want to take this to a new level kita, cause just as I realized while checking if you posted any teams, I also realized there's little point in calling people mafia if you can't start pushing preferred teams and making compromises with others (which is what you have been lacking).

Mention a team of people you would accept being sent, cause there's little point in me just calling you mafia if what we're discussing isn't a team with you on it.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22084 Posts
November 12 2015 23:08 GMT
#2715
Cause one particular thing about this game is that mafia has an easier time just creating scum combinations and being "whatevs" if anyone of the spies outside of that team makes it (cause then they will just vote yes with a short term justification whenever one of them makes it into the team).

Which is what you have been doing contrary to other people who actually propose teams of townreads, not scumreads.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 12 2015 23:09 GMT
#2716
Oh man, I just realized I didn't even nominate the team I wanted..... Work got the best of me
Life?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22084 Posts
November 12 2015 23:16 GMT
#2717
On November 13 2015 08:09 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Oh man, I just realized I didn't even nominate the team I wanted..... Work got the best of me


Which 1 did you intend to send?
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 12 2015 23:18 GMT
#2718
ahhh...
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 12 2015 23:21 GMT
#2719
On November 13 2015 02:55 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2015 02:52 Half the Sky wrote:
1h45m spent in customs....someone please kill me.

Kita, regarding the scum meta on SOTW 2 and Drams, being on mobile, I cannot quote, but I will do my best to try and direct you based on everything I recall.

From those two games, Rels thrives in environments where there are scummy townies. The same parallel is here - you have Schokey and myself scumread nearly all game until this most recent cycle and sicklucker has and still has chock decent doubt on him.

Let me try and break it down as best I can.

SOTW 2 - scumteam were Damdred/Rels/Fidei
1 The scummy townies from my own recollection from DAY ONE are: Shining (day vigged day 1)/Dandel Ion (lynched day 1 because of activity/nonsensical)/LightningStrike and there might have been one more. If I recall right, focus on the interactions between Rels vs Lightning Strike and I BELEIVE Dandel Ion. HE IS OUT TO GET THEM.

Rels is able to take control of the thread day 2 onwards because he is the only one that fully understands the complex mechanics of SOTW 2 and rayn was forced to trust him. A lot of the tone reads you cite here are present there and you will see are NAI.

Battle of the Drams - scumteam sicklucker/Rels/Shining
1 Again focus on interactions. The scummy townies this game were scott31337 (replaced in and mislynched day 1 for J-Roc a smurf who left him in a bad position), coolTLname (mislynched day 2, unfamiliar with TL mafia style coming from SC2 mafia).

He pushed Trfel hard early day 1 (607/620) from baic questions, coolTL name from #751/753 in that thread. Also look at 751/753 posts in Drams and compare that to the posts in this game where he's pushing Artanis. There are places he stretches the truth and I caught where he was doing that with Artanis this game.

And people who want to townread Rels on activity. No.

Filters -
SOTW 2 - 21 pages (3 cycles I think, endgamed n3)
Drams - 28 pages (3 cycles I think, conceded n3 as the entire scumteam was exposed)

So what scummy townie am I attacking this game ? Who are my danden ion / bm / coolTLname (lol my phone has this name registered cause I typed it so much) / JRoc ?


me?
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 12 2015 23:27 GMT
#2720
On November 13 2015 03:31 Vivax wrote:
You don't just walk into TL and townread kita.
Especially when he pushes my slot who will start expelling massive townie bricks when I have more time for this game.

I just went a bit over Xatalos last pages and I like where his head is, actually. I need more time for this game :> , but my SL read will probably stay as it is, so will the kita read. The last mafia is tricky but I'm leaning towards HTS.


you cant possibly think me and kita are on a team...
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