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On November 13 2015 02:55 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2015 02:52 Half the Sky wrote:
1h45m spent in customs....someone please kill me.
Kita, regarding the scum meta on SOTW 2 and Drams, being on mobile, I cannot quote, but I will do my best to try and direct you based on everything I recall.
From those two games, Rels thrives in environments where there are scummy townies. The same parallel is here - you have Schokey and myself scumread nearly all game until this most recent cycle and sicklucker has and still has chock decent doubt on him.
Let me try and break it down as best I can.
SOTW 2 - scumteam were Damdred/Rels/Fidei
1 The scummy townies from my own recollection from DAY ONE are: Shining (day vigged day 1)/Dandel Ion (lynched day 1 because of activity/nonsensical)/LightningStrike and there might have been one more. If I recall right, focus on the interactions between Rels vs Lightning Strike and I BELEIVE Dandel Ion. HE IS OUT TO GET THEM.
Rels is able to take control of the thread day 2 onwards because he is the only one that fully understands the complex mechanics of SOTW 2 and rayn was forced to trust him. A lot of the tone reads you cite here are present there and you will see are NAI.
Battle of the Drams - scumteam sicklucker/Rels/Shining
1 Again focus on interactions. The scummy townies this game were scott31337 (replaced in and mislynched day 1 for J-Roc a smurf who left him in a bad position), coolTLname (mislynched day 2, unfamiliar with TL mafia style coming from SC2 mafia).
He pushed Trfel hard early day 1 (607/620) from baic questions, coolTL name from #751/753 in that thread. Also look at 751/753 posts in Drams and compare that to the posts in this game where he's pushing Artanis. There are places he stretches the truth and I caught where he was doing that with Artanis this game.
And people who want to townread Rels on activity. No.
Filters -
SOTW 2 - 21 pages (3 cycles I think, endgamed n3)
Drams - 28 pages (3 cycles I think, conceded n3 as the entire scumteam was exposed) So what scummy townie am I attacking this game ? Who are my danden ion / bm / coolTLname (lol my phone has this name registered cause I typed it so much) / JRoc ?
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On November 13 2015 02:46 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2015 02:41 Half the Sky wrote:On November 13 2015 01:30 kitaman27 wrote:On November 13 2015 01:28 kitaman27 wrote:On November 13 2015 01:23 Rels wrote:On November 13 2015 00:46 Half the Sky wrote:
Rels, I will say it a fifth time but me (or anyone for that matter) thinking of nominated teams rounds ahead is not mafia motivated. It is NAI and I've been doing that all game thinking out loud. No it's not the same thing. In that particular instance: you proposed to send mission 2 before knowing the result of mission 1. Mission 1 failed. So it's possible you wanted the same infiltrated team to be sent two times before we could realize it. lol we'd have to be pretty slow to fall for that wouldn't we? There is a full 48 hour period between the two. You're saying that her plan was to hope nobody noticed the team failed or.....? This has to be the most sketchy thing you've said all game Rels. It's stuff like this that makes me think he's reaching for scumreads. Post #2341 is a good example of this. Look at his read progression on Artanis/rayn and myself from his posts into 2343/2344 from 2364 and 2365. How does he put rayn as mafia? Look at the flips on Artanis and myself. Also Rels calling me defensive (ie a reason to call me scum) when it is he who brings up that same reasoning 4h ago in #2566, how would he expect me not to respond to that? He's been hammering that point up all game until Kita called him on it. From my mindset, if he's town (and I don't think he is for other reasons) he's not familiar with thinking ahead, if he's mafia, he needs a reason to see my behaviour as mafia. Regardless of familiarity, the fact that Kita is able to see a town mindset from #2566 and Rels was not able to for the better part of the game (after me telling him multiple times) is telling. Yeah, someone else had to explain how my thinking was flawed. This game you havent be clear when you posted stuff. Youre not reading properly or not answering properly. Like that attack on xatalos when he said "he didnt drop the rayn townread over sl": you said multiple times it didnt make sense and I still dont get it. Now since Arta is probably scum, you are probably town, so just saying vague stuff like that is not enough: if you scumread me, I need you to make a case. By the same occasion, please make a town case on arta.
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On November 13 2015 03:05 Rels wrote:
Hts can you not ignore me ?
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On November 13 2015 03:10 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2015 02:55 Rels wrote:On November 13 2015 02:52 Half the Sky wrote:
1h45m spent in customs....someone please kill me.
Kita, regarding the scum meta on SOTW 2 and Drams, being on mobile, I cannot quote, but I will do my best to try and direct you based on everything I recall.
From those two games, Rels thrives in environments where there are scummy townies. The same parallel is here - you have Schokey and myself scumread nearly all game until this most recent cycle and sicklucker has and still has chock decent doubt on him.
Let me try and break it down as best I can.
SOTW 2 - scumteam were Damdred/Rels/Fidei
1 The scummy townies from my own recollection from DAY ONE are: Shining (day vigged day 1)/Dandel Ion (lynched day 1 because of activity/nonsensical)/LightningStrike and there might have been one more. If I recall right, focus on the interactions between Rels vs Lightning Strike and I BELEIVE Dandel Ion. HE IS OUT TO GET THEM.
Rels is able to take control of the thread day 2 onwards because he is the only one that fully understands the complex mechanics of SOTW 2 and rayn was forced to trust him. A lot of the tone reads you cite here are present there and you will see are NAI.
Battle of the Drams - scumteam sicklucker/Rels/Shining
1 Again focus on interactions. The scummy townies this game were scott31337 (replaced in and mislynched day 1 for J-Roc a smurf who left him in a bad position), coolTLname (mislynched day 2, unfamiliar with TL mafia style coming from SC2 mafia).
He pushed Trfel hard early day 1 (607/620) from baic questions, coolTL name from #751/753 in that thread. Also look at 751/753 posts in Drams and compare that to the posts in this game where he's pushing Artanis. There are places he stretches the truth and I caught where he was doing that with Artanis this game.
And people who want to townread Rels on activity. No.
Filters -
SOTW 2 - 21 pages (3 cycles I think, endgamed n3)
Drams - 28 pages (3 cycles I think, conceded n3 as the entire scumteam was exposed) So what scummy townie am I attacking this game ? Who are my danden ion / bm / coolTLname (lol my phone has this name registered cause I typed it so much) / JRoc ?
Easy, me and sicklucker whom any townie familiar with his game should know that he's not the most articulate person in the world. He's been jumped on all game for stuff not lining up. Which is exactly why I sought his side form his perspective as screwy as he might play this game, that's the way it is.
I've played games with him as town, as mafia and hosted several games where he was mafia. If ANYONE should have his alignment spot on especially by lategame, it's me. Early game, not so much but lategame absolutely. LightningStrike isn't present this game and neither is marv/JAT/etc but they are examples of others who do better with figuring him out.
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I'm at a friends pc while he eats, wont stick around for long until I get back home.
Coag, something's off about you? Where's the townie seal I am eagerly expecting?
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On November 13 2015 01:00 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##Nominate ShoCkeyy, Vivax, HtS, Sicklucker
oops.
I am going to look into Vivax and the voting patterns again....since that is what my priority should be.
Here's the thing, Rels is mafia. This is my world.
Rels wanting to replace Vivax out is scaring the shit out of me (#2640) and earlier he wanted to swap Shockey in (forget the mission number) for Superbia (#2156). The mafia motivation for this is an easier fall guy whom at the time was being universally scumread or near universally scumread.
This would point to a Xatalos/Rels/Kitaman team in which case I'd have to re-review sicklucker and Vivax's points against them.
Do the votes make sense....
This would mean rayn was right early game to be more hesistant to townread Kita....and that Rels townread....ignorance or a reason to get him on the team.
WHY IS THIS GAME SO HARD.
#rantover
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On November 13 2015 03:16 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2015 03:10 Rels wrote:On November 13 2015 02:55 Rels wrote:On November 13 2015 02:52 Half the Sky wrote:
1h45m spent in customs....someone please kill me.
Kita, regarding the scum meta on SOTW 2 and Drams, being on mobile, I cannot quote, but I will do my best to try and direct you based on everything I recall.
From those two games, Rels thrives in environments where there are scummy townies. The same parallel is here - you have Schokey and myself scumread nearly all game until this most recent cycle and sicklucker has and still has chock decent doubt on him.
Let me try and break it down as best I can.
SOTW 2 - scumteam were Damdred/Rels/Fidei
1 The scummy townies from my own recollection from DAY ONE are: Shining (day vigged day 1)/Dandel Ion (lynched day 1 because of activity/nonsensical)/LightningStrike and there might have been one more. If I recall right, focus on the interactions between Rels vs Lightning Strike and I BELEIVE Dandel Ion. HE IS OUT TO GET THEM.
Rels is able to take control of the thread day 2 onwards because he is the only one that fully understands the complex mechanics of SOTW 2 and rayn was forced to trust him. A lot of the tone reads you cite here are present there and you will see are NAI.
Battle of the Drams - scumteam sicklucker/Rels/Shining
1 Again focus on interactions. The scummy townies this game were scott31337 (replaced in and mislynched day 1 for J-Roc a smurf who left him in a bad position), coolTLname (mislynched day 2, unfamiliar with TL mafia style coming from SC2 mafia).
He pushed Trfel hard early day 1 (607/620) from baic questions, coolTL name from #751/753 in that thread. Also look at 751/753 posts in Drams and compare that to the posts in this game where he's pushing Artanis. There are places he stretches the truth and I caught where he was doing that with Artanis this game.
And people who want to townread Rels on activity. No.
Filters -
SOTW 2 - 21 pages (3 cycles I think, endgamed n3)
Drams - 28 pages (3 cycles I think, conceded n3 as the entire scumteam was exposed) So what scummy townie am I attacking this game ? Who are my danden ion / bm / coolTLname (lol my phone has this name registered cause I typed it so much) / JRoc ? Easy, me and sicklucker whom any townie familiar with his game should know that he's not the most articulate person in the world. He's been jumped on all game for stuff not lining up. Which is exactly why I sought his side form his perspective as screwy as he might play this game, that's the way it is. I've played games with him as town, as mafia and hosted several games where he was mafia. If ANYONE should have his alignment spot on especially by lategame, it's me. Early game, not so much but lategame absolutely. LightningStrike isn't present this game and neither is marv/JAT/etc but they are examples of others who do better with figuring him out.
So you two are scummier townie than shockey ?
And more importantly, WHY are you townreading arta ? If you're town, you can be wrong on me; but you need to realize you being town makes Arta scum. Think about it! Why are you townreading him again ?
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Those posts alone, that means by association Vivax is town. But I need time to reval the votes....
I've reached my destination in Manhattan, I have to go for now.
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On November 13 2015 03:27 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2015 01:00 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##Nominate ShoCkeyy, Vivax, HtS, Sicklucker
oops. I am going to look into Vivax and the voting patterns again....since that is what my priority should be. Here's the thing, Rels is mafia. This is my world. Rels wanting to replace Vivax out is scaring the shit out of me (#2640) and earlier he wanted to swap Shockey in (forget the mission number) for Superbia (#2156). The mafia motivation for this is an easier fall guy whom at the time was being universally scumread or near universally scumread. This would point to a Xatalos/Rels/Kitaman team in which case I'd have to re-review sicklucker and Vivax's points against them. Do the votes make sense.... This would mean rayn was right early game to be more hesistant to townread Kita....and that Rels townread....ignorance or a reason to get him on the team. WHY IS THIS GAME SO HARD. #rantover
Mate you are so tunneled. I hope you realize your mistake before it loses us the game.
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And to anyone who has played with Coagulation, realise that I have not, does he normally lurk as town?
(No I am not trying to determine his alignment, but rather trying to figure out whether we focus on getting Shockey out of the tunnel or we try and work on Vivax.)
Off I go lovelies.
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You don't just walk into TL and townread kita.
Especially when he pushes my slot who will start expelling massive townie bricks when I have more time for this game.
I just went a bit over Xatalos last pages and I like where his head is, actually. I need more time for this game :> , but my SL read will probably stay as it is, so will the kita read. The last mafia is tricky but I'm leaning towards HTS.
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On November 13 2015 03:23 Vivax wrote:
I'm at a friends pc while he eats, wont stick around for long until I get back home.
Coag, something's off about you? Where's the townie seal I am eagerly expecting?
Er....I take it the answer to my previous question was no?
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On November 13 2015 03:31 Vivax wrote:
You don't just walk into TL and townread kita.
Especially when he pushes my slot who will start expelling massive townie bricks when I have more time for this game.
I just went a bit over Xatalos last pages and I like where his head is, actually. I need more time for this game :> , but my SL read will probably stay as it is, so will the kita read. The last mafia is tricky but I'm leaning towards HTS.
This is fair enough. Because I haven't forgotten what you did in Gaiden when you nailed the remaining members of the scumteam so I know what you are capable of. If you are town, please make it easier for me to upvote what Shockey has.
Also remember there was early discussion on why Kita's posts were NAI. I haven't forgotten that either. And sicklucker who I am strongly townreading had a lot of suspicion towards Kita.
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For future reference - waiting for a massive print job to finish up so went through sicklucker's filter as to why he saw Kita as scum.
On November 07 2015 11:04 sicklucker wrote:
kitaman the angle your pushing is pushed on me everygame EVERYGAME. I ignore it because its dumb and it does not make anyone scum. Its literraly a mix up of words. Even if I said it the way you want me to have said it that does not make me scum
On November 07 2015 21:44 sicklucker wrote:
Anyway we need to vote no to todays noms its going to fail over half the time its just a bad mission with the info I have. I obviously have more info but come on you guys can peice this together to you have to. If you guys dont get off your ass we already lost this game. Id say town has under a 10% chance reading the thread the last day.
Mission team needs to include hts and rels. I might even gamble with someone like shockey at thes point. I think the third scum is one of kita/super who is trying to distance and put scum on me. Like all kita is talking about is some stupid shit I wrote out of context over a week ago. Whatever one of you is town get your head out of your ass
On November 08 2015 01:49 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2015 01:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
wait why do you think kitaman is scum? you dont? I have no reason to believe he cares about whats going on except putting scum on me and asking me the same stupid qeustion
On November 09 2015 03:40 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 03:02 kitaman27 wrote:On November 09 2015 02:28 sicklucker wrote:
xata if your the town in rayn/you your literally losing town the game thinking the way you do. People like shockey/rels who voted no on a mission that failed are not going to be scum very often. you need to adjust your reads as scum bro Two out of your three scum reads voted no, didn't they? Or am I wrong about your reads listed above? its the worst attempt i ever ever seen. Like you dont even know your top scum reads. reads? your wrong about like 4 people on that list. more like town shockey rels hts scum everyone else but especially you
On November 09 2015 03:48 sicklucker wrote:
kitas whole being town platform this game is questioning me on my reads. but he just proved he did not even know my reads? anyone? anyone seeing this?
On November 12 2015 18:55 sicklucker wrote:
anyway kita it looks like the majority of the game dont want you and your buddy on any missions. so take your rels town read to the timeout corner
Going to task Personality Mafia parallels tonight with this game....
Also someone else (Artanis? I forget whom?) said they had issues following Kita's reads throughout the game. I know earlier I cited the two list posts or the one list post or whatever....
Maybe another parallel to look for there.
Takeaway from Personality Mafia where mafia Kita carried was that his game was squeaky clean (WaveofShadow) and the amount of posting increased exponentially as the game went into lategame (Damdred).
So now I have to crosscheck lack of reads here with Personality and then contrast all the parallels from these two games with more recent town games....ones I remember are JOAT and Aperture. Both spamfests. Great.
At least this gives me a starting point for the Kita tinfoil.
And off I go yet again.
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On November 13 2015 03:31 Vivax wrote:
You don't just walk into TL and townread kita.
Especially when he pushes my slot who will start expelling massive townie bricks when I have more time for this game.
I just went a bit over Xatalos last pages and I like where his head is, actually. I need more time for this game :> , but my SL read will probably stay as it is, so will the kita read. The last mafia is tricky but I'm leaning towards HTS.
sicklucker and Kita have been at it at each other nearly all game. Why do you think (or am I misreading) they are double bussing? Are you sure those interactions are scum on scum?
How do you know that Kita isn't doing the same thing to sicklucker that you claim he's (analogously) doing to you?
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I decided to do a 180 ° on my read on you HTS, mostly cause I just read early game between Rels and rayn, obviously it can change again when I keep reading but for the time being I think you can be town.
As for SL and kita I'll have to check when they started scumreading each other, who started with it etc.
Rayn said that SL was attacking anyone who attacks him or something similar.
I'll look at filters later.
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On November 12 2015 21:13 sicklucker wrote:
Also you saying that the vote was "obviuosly going to be a majority" rubs me the wrong way. when I checked out of the thread I acualy thought it was never passing. (and this is a huge reason why im mad at you) I also felt like it was a team you would have issues with. Did you really town read all of these guys enough to vote yes? really?
How does this match up with
On November 12 2015 19:46 sicklucker wrote:
Im pretty sure of the others and your crafty and kind of low key this game. Infact I was super suspicious of you untill you no voted thats probably the only reason im including you and you could be smart enough to vote for cred there since it was a landslide vote
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Either it appeared to be a landslide and my no vote doesn't mean anything in which case your initial reason to townread me again wasn't actually anything you believed in, or it didn't actually appear to become a landslide and it does have meaning. You can't have it both ways.
Also, Rels attempting to bury me is fairly expected. I'm amazed at how quickly you changed your mind again believing someone you scumread pretty strongly. What happened?
On November 12 2015 22:20 sicklucker wrote:
Just dont follow hts suggestions and add art. hes not in your town read list and im pretty sure hes fucking scum based on day 1 vote logic and reads
So I'm scum for my Day 1 vote despite the fact that HtS did the exact same?
I also had an actually good reason for it in that if it passed I could just send the same mission + myself and win the game if you're all town. HtS didn't quite have that reason, yet for some reason it makes me scum yet doesn't make her scum.
Yeah, don't think I want SL on any mission right now.
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On November 12 2015 21:24 sicklucker wrote:
acualy there probably both (me and HtS) fucking scum what is happening. no scum should ever vote no here. like im so confused rels hold me
On November 12 2015 22:29 sicklucker wrote:
to kita - from my pov I know im town so if you eliminate my combinations from your final analyst that leaves you with
Combinations Remaining:
ShoCkeyy Xatalos Vivax
Half the Sky Xatalos Vivax
Artanis[Xp] Xatalos Vivax - this is the scum team if I have been wrong about you
I think shockeyy/hts are fairly easy town reads
Uhhh..
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On November 13 2015 00:16 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2015 19:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also also I really don't want Kita on any teams after the 'narrowing down' thing he did included both confirming himself as town with no reasoning as well as confirming rels as town for things he can easily do as scum. Wait, so you expect me to consider the scenarios where I could be mafia? How does that help me figure things out in the slightest? Are you considering the scum team to be Artanis/X/Y? Of course not. And of all the things that I have said this game, THAT is the reason you don't want me on any teams? You explain that Vivax is more likely town than me because of the relationship with Xata, yet never once bring up the topic of myself and Xata. In what way does that make sense?
I thought you were trying to narrow it down for the entire thread rather than just yourself. If you don't provide any argumentation for why you're town, that doesn't really help.
As for my read on you: I do feel you've fallen off a bit in recent times. I liked you in the start but a combination of renewed insight on HtS/Shockeyy which were two scumreads that I now townread as well as your more recent posts have led me to change my opinion on you.
As for your relationship to Xata: It's very plausible since you've pushed both Xata and SL at different points in the game, and you never had the awkward start that the Xata/Superbia slot had with one another. I just don't think there's any benefit to two scum interacting with each other in that way.
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