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kitaman27
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On November 13 2015 01:23 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2015 00:46 Half the Sky wrote:
Rels, I will say it a fifth time but me (or anyone for that matter) thinking of nominated teams rounds ahead is not mafia motivated. It is NAI and I've been doing that all game thinking out loud. No it's not the same thing. In that particular instance: you proposed to send mission 2 before knowing the result of mission 1. Mission 1 failed. So it's possible you wanted the same infiltrated team to be sent two times before we could realize it.
lol we'd have to be pretty slow to fall for that wouldn't we? There is a full 48 hour period between the two.
You're saying that her plan was to hope nobody noticed the team failed or.....?
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I don't get why everyone keeps telling me to put Coag, I'm not putting Coag.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On November 13 2015 01:28 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2015 01:23 Rels wrote:On November 13 2015 00:46 Half the Sky wrote:
Rels, I will say it a fifth time but me (or anyone for that matter) thinking of nominated teams rounds ahead is not mafia motivated. It is NAI and I've been doing that all game thinking out loud. No it's not the same thing. In that particular instance: you proposed to send mission 2 before knowing the result of mission 1. Mission 1 failed. So it's possible you wanted the same infiltrated team to be sent two times before we could realize it. lol we'd have to be pretty slow to fall for that wouldn't we? There is a full 48 hour period between the two. You're saying that her plan was to hope nobody noticed the team failed or.....?
This has to be the most sketchy thing you've said all game Rels.
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On November 13 2015 01:28 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2015 01:23 Rels wrote:On November 13 2015 00:46 Half the Sky wrote:
Rels, I will say it a fifth time but me (or anyone for that matter) thinking of nominated teams rounds ahead is not mafia motivated. It is NAI and I've been doing that all game thinking out loud. No it's not the same thing. In that particular instance: you proposed to send mission 2 before knowing the result of mission 1. Mission 1 failed. So it's possible you wanted the same infiltrated team to be sent two times before we could realize it. lol we'd have to be pretty slow to fall for that wouldn't we? There is a full 48 hour period between the two. You're saying that her plan was to hope nobody noticed the team failed or.....?
No atm she thought the team would go before the result of the first team came back.
But I'm realizing we would still vote knowing the result of the first team, so I'm mistaken on that. No team could go before we knew the previous team's result, even if the nomination of the team could happen before the result.
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On November 13 2015 01:30 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2015 01:28 kitaman27 wrote:On November 13 2015 01:23 Rels wrote:On November 13 2015 00:46 Half the Sky wrote:
Rels, I will say it a fifth time but me (or anyone for that matter) thinking of nominated teams rounds ahead is not mafia motivated. It is NAI and I've been doing that all game thinking out loud. No it's not the same thing. In that particular instance: you proposed to send mission 2 before knowing the result of mission 1. Mission 1 failed. So it's possible you wanted the same infiltrated team to be sent two times before we could realize it. lol we'd have to be pretty slow to fall for that wouldn't we? There is a full 48 hour period between the two. You're saying that her plan was to hope nobody noticed the team failed or.....? This has to be the most sketchy thing you've said all game Rels.
Do you realize this quote comes from a time where she thought the nomination of the next team would happen before the result of the first team ? But I agree it doesn't make sense actually since the voting still would have taken place after the result.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On November 13 2015 01:32 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2015 01:30 kitaman27 wrote:On November 13 2015 01:28 kitaman27 wrote:On November 13 2015 01:23 Rels wrote:On November 13 2015 00:46 Half the Sky wrote:
Rels, I will say it a fifth time but me (or anyone for that matter) thinking of nominated teams rounds ahead is not mafia motivated. It is NAI and I've been doing that all game thinking out loud. No it's not the same thing. In that particular instance: you proposed to send mission 2 before knowing the result of mission 1. Mission 1 failed. So it's possible you wanted the same infiltrated team to be sent two times before we could realize it. lol we'd have to be pretty slow to fall for that wouldn't we? There is a full 48 hour period between the two. You're saying that her plan was to hope nobody noticed the team failed or.....? This has to be the most sketchy thing you've said all game Rels. Do you realize this quote comes from a time where she thought the nomination of the next team would happen before the result of the first team ? But I agree it doesn't make sense actually since the voting still would have taken place after the result.
It still wouldn't matter because of the results before the vote, but yeah I guess you acknowledged that.
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On November 13 2015 01:08 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2015 01:00 Half the Sky wrote:
sicklucker, you were mafia in Guardians with rayn, send him a link to the mafia qt for that game.
Now I have to go, and fight the customs battle at JFK. Christ I hate this airport. i dont see how that relevant. like even if rayns not meta confirmed we have to pick one at some point to have a solid majority so its a good risk to take. theres 3 groups currenly with one mafia confirmed basicly. They are me rayn,xata art , hts , rels * vivax , kita ,rels * * assumes ryans town
Where does the second group comes from ?
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are you guys talking about how hts knew the second mission would fail? everyone fucking knew that including me. LOOK AT THE VOTES IT WAS 7-2 . If its 7-2 all scum voted and its gonna pass. I also was working under the pretense that it was gonna fail not becuase im scum but it was fucking mathmaticly obvious
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On November 13 2015 01:37 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2015 01:08 sicklucker wrote:On November 13 2015 01:00 Half the Sky wrote:
sicklucker, you were mafia in Guardians with rayn, send him a link to the mafia qt for that game.
Now I have to go, and fight the customs battle at JFK. Christ I hate this airport. i dont see how that relevant. like even if rayns not meta confirmed we have to pick one at some point to have a solid majority so its a good risk to take. theres 3 groups currenly with one mafia confirmed basicly. They are me rayn,xata art , hts , rels * vivax , kita ,rels * * assumes ryans town Where does the second group comes from ?
arts weird logic idk. now that i think about it that makes little sense ask him
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On November 13 2015 01:53 sicklucker wrote:
are you guys talking about how hts knew the second mission would fail? everyone fucking knew that including me. LOOK AT THE VOTES IT WAS 7-2 . If its 7-2 all scum voted and its gonna pass. I also was working under the pretense that it was gonna fail not becuase im scum but it was fucking mathmaticly obvious
No it was mission 1.
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On November 13 2015 01:54 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2015 01:37 Rels wrote:On November 13 2015 01:08 sicklucker wrote:On November 13 2015 01:00 Half the Sky wrote:
sicklucker, you were mafia in Guardians with rayn, send him a link to the mafia qt for that game.
Now I have to go, and fight the customs battle at JFK. Christ I hate this airport. i dont see how that relevant. like even if rayns not meta confirmed we have to pick one at some point to have a solid majority so its a good risk to take. theres 3 groups currenly with one mafia confirmed basicly. They are me rayn,xata art , hts , rels * vivax , kita ,rels * * assumes ryans town Where does the second group comes from ? arts weird logic idk. now that i think about it that makes little sense ask him
I don't get it. Why would you write something that you take from a potential scumread of yours (and if I got it, your stronger potential third scum) if you don't understand it / don't believe it's true ?
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Anyway leaving work, see you all later. (=
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On November 13 2015 01:30 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2015 01:28 kitaman27 wrote:On November 13 2015 01:23 Rels wrote:On November 13 2015 00:46 Half the Sky wrote:
Rels, I will say it a fifth time but me (or anyone for that matter) thinking of nominated teams rounds ahead is not mafia motivated. It is NAI and I've been doing that all game thinking out loud. No it's not the same thing. In that particular instance: you proposed to send mission 2 before knowing the result of mission 1. Mission 1 failed. So it's possible you wanted the same infiltrated team to be sent two times before we could realize it. lol we'd have to be pretty slow to fall for that wouldn't we? There is a full 48 hour period between the two. You're saying that her plan was to hope nobody noticed the team failed or.....? This has to be the most sketchy thing you've said all game Rels.
It's stuff like this that makes me think he's reaching for scumreads.
Post #2341 is a good example of this.
Look at his read progression on Artanis/rayn and myself from his posts into 2343/2344 from 2364 and 2365.
How does he put rayn as mafia? Look at the flips on Artanis and myself.
Also Rels calling me defensive (ie a reason to call me scum) when it is he who brings up that same reasoning 4h ago in #2566, how would he expect me not to respond to that? He's been hammering that point up all game until Kita called him on it.
From my mindset, if he's town (and I don't think he is for other reasons) he's not familiar with thinking ahead, if he's mafia, he needs a reason to see my behaviour as mafia.
Regardless of familiarity, the fact that Kita is able to see a town mindset from #2566 and Rels was not able to for the better part of the game (after me telling him multiple times) is telling.
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On November 13 2015 02:41 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2015 01:30 kitaman27 wrote:On November 13 2015 01:28 kitaman27 wrote:On November 13 2015 01:23 Rels wrote:On November 13 2015 00:46 Half the Sky wrote:
Rels, I will say it a fifth time but me (or anyone for that matter) thinking of nominated teams rounds ahead is not mafia motivated. It is NAI and I've been doing that all game thinking out loud. No it's not the same thing. In that particular instance: you proposed to send mission 2 before knowing the result of mission 1. Mission 1 failed. So it's possible you wanted the same infiltrated team to be sent two times before we could realize it. lol we'd have to be pretty slow to fall for that wouldn't we? There is a full 48 hour period between the two. You're saying that her plan was to hope nobody noticed the team failed or.....? This has to be the most sketchy thing you've said all game Rels. It's stuff like this that makes me think he's reaching for scumreads. Post #2341 is a good example of this. Look at his read progression on Artanis/rayn and myself from his posts into 2343/2344 from 2364 and 2365. How does he put rayn as mafia? Look at the flips on Artanis and myself. Also Rels calling me defensive (ie a reason to call me scum) when it is he who brings up that same reasoning 4h ago in #2566, how would he expect me not to respond to that? He's been hammering that point up all game until Kita called him on it. From my mindset, if he's town (and I don't think he is for other reasons) he's not familiar with thinking ahead, if he's mafia, he needs a reason to see my behaviour as mafia. Regardless of familiarity, the fact that Kita is able to see a town mindset from #2566 and Rels was not able to for the better part of the game (after me telling him multiple times) is telling.
Yeah, someone else had to explain how my thinking was flawed. This game you havent be clear when you posted stuff. Youre not reading properly or not answering properly. Like that attack on xatalos when he said "he didnt drop the rayn townread over sl": you said multiple times it didnt make sense and I still dont get it. Now since Arta is probably scum, you are probably town, so just saying vague stuff like that is not enough: if you scumread me, I need you to make a case. By the same occasion, please make a town case on arta.
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1h45m spent in customs....someone please kill me.
Kita, regarding the scum meta on SOTW 2 and Drams, being on mobile, I cannot quote, but I will do my best to try and direct you based on everything I recall.
From those two games, Rels thrives in environments where there are scummy townies. The same parallel is here - you have Schokey and myself scumread nearly all game until this most recent cycle and sicklucker has and still has chock decent doubt on him.
Let me try and break it down as best I can.
SOTW 2 - scumteam were Damdred/Rels/Fidei
1 The scummy townies from my own recollection from DAY ONE are: Shining (day vigged day 1)/Dandel Ion (lynched day 1 because of activity/nonsensical)/LightningStrike and there might have been one more. If I recall right, focus on the interactions between Rels vs Lightning Strike and I BELEIVE Dandel Ion. HE IS OUT TO GET THEM.
Rels is able to take control of the thread day 2 onwards because he is the only one that fully understands the complex mechanics of SOTW 2 and rayn was forced to trust him. A lot of the tone reads you cite here are present there and you will see are NAI.
Battle of the Drams - scumteam sicklucker/Rels/Shining
1 Again focus on interactions. The scummy townies this game were scott31337 (replaced in and mislynched day 1 for J-Roc a smurf who left him in a bad position), coolTLname (mislynched day 2, unfamiliar with TL mafia style coming from SC2 mafia).
He pushed Trfel hard early day 1 (607/620) from baic questions, coolTL name from #751/753 in that thread. Also look at 751/753 posts in Drams and compare that to the posts in this game where he's pushing Artanis. There are places he stretches the truth and I caught where he was doing that with Artanis this game.
And people who want to townread Rels on activity. No.
Filters -
SOTW 2 - 21 pages (3 cycles I think, endgamed n3)
Drams - 28 pages (3 cycles I think, conceded n3 as the entire scumteam was exposed)
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On November 13 2015 02:52 Half the Sky wrote:
1h45m spent in customs....someone please kill me.
Kita, regarding the scum meta on SOTW 2 and Drams, being on mobile, I cannot quote, but I will do my best to try and direct you based on everything I recall.
From those two games, Rels thrives in environments where there are scummy townies. The same parallel is here - you have Schokey and myself scumread nearly all game until this most recent cycle and sicklucker has and still has chock decent doubt on him.
Let me try and break it down as best I can.
SOTW 2 - scumteam were Damdred/Rels/Fidei
1 The scummy townies from my own recollection from DAY ONE are: Shining (day vigged day 1)/Dandel Ion (lynched day 1 because of activity/nonsensical)/LightningStrike and there might have been one more. If I recall right, focus on the interactions between Rels vs Lightning Strike and I BELEIVE Dandel Ion. HE IS OUT TO GET THEM.
Rels is able to take control of the thread day 2 onwards because he is the only one that fully understands the complex mechanics of SOTW 2 and rayn was forced to trust him. A lot of the tone reads you cite here are present there and you will see are NAI.
Battle of the Drams - scumteam sicklucker/Rels/Shining
1 Again focus on interactions. The scummy townies this game were scott31337 (replaced in and mislynched day 1 for J-Roc a smurf who left him in a bad position), coolTLname (mislynched day 2, unfamiliar with TL mafia style coming from SC2 mafia).
He pushed Trfel hard early day 1 (607/620) from baic questions, coolTL name from #751/753 in that thread. Also look at 751/753 posts in Drams and compare that to the posts in this game where he's pushing Artanis. There are places he stretches the truth and I caught where he was doing that with Artanis this game.
And people who want to townread Rels on activity. No.
Filters -
SOTW 2 - 21 pages (3 cycles I think, endgamed n3)
Drams - 28 pages (3 cycles I think, conceded n3 as the entire scumteam was exposed)
So what scummy townie am I attacking this game ? Who are my danden ion / bm / coolTLname (lol my phone has this name registered cause I typed it so much) / JRoc ?
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Man this is personality all over again instead this time Hts won't be shot 
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Also Kita in Drams you need to find where he cased Trfel and MoosyDoosy (who was the town RB in that game, when he claimed scum plan blew up in their face) but that has a lot of the doings in the way where Rels cased me for things that didn't make me mafia.
If I can find that shit on here you'll see why a lot of his posting can easily come from mafia mindset. The kicker is you need to see the parallels from those two games plus this game and you need to see how he pushes townies that arent' clear in their thinking, or in the case of Trfel, someone who is nto very confident in the way they are going.
Rels' tone is very similar between both games. If you want a decent town game I would try Newbie 13 (I want to say 13, it was the one where n00bking rage quit).
Obviously I'm not delusional here, 90% of this game I've been on my phone so I've not been able to case or articulate the way I've wanted to like previous games, it's been almost exclusively thought dumpting all game from me and I have just not adjusted well to that.
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Coagulation, I don't know whereabouts stateside you are, but I know you're town, everyone except the current leader thinks your town. Anything you can do to help Shockey get the tunnel off you would help the rest of us greatly. I don't care how you do it, just please do it before 1800 EDT.
Because right now, scum see an opportunity to get their final mafia on this team and this is the equivalent of triple lylo and we honestly need all hands on deck.
We are having a VERY difficult time between Kita/Vivax and some looking into Artanis. I'll continue doing my part but you really need to help by doing yours.
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Hts can you not ignore me ?
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