EPTIt will get nay-voted anyways but meh.
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It will get nay-voted anyways but meh. | ||
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On November 07 2015 18:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You're saying that is if you can't change their scumreads. Are you going to give up on the first hurdle? Is this the Town Rayn that I know and love? You're not going to fight to prove that you're town? Not really no. I don't care to argue about stuff that can be easily found in my filter. If that is the reason for scumreading me then fine. I'll let them scumread me. I don't care, i have better things to do than repeat what i have already said. | ||
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I can't convince people better that Shockeyy is scum. I've said all i have about that, if people disagree because "he does scummy stuff & stuff that doesn't make any sense so he is town" i can't argue against that lol. HtS and Rels are saying "rayn pushed a team with sicklucker so maybe he is scum because he wanted someone to blame in the team"... I didn't, i actually preferred Superbia or even kitaman in the team over sicklucker, i said that very clearly. Me being okay with sicklucker in the team does not mean i PUSHED it (and why wouldn't i be okay with him in the team, i read him town there). I know exactly why you yay'd the team, i did for the same reason. | ||
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On November 07 2015 18:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Why do you suddenly think Rels is town? Because it doesn't make sense that 2 sscum voted nay and Shockeyy is 100% scum. | ||
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On November 07 2015 19:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I can see it making sense. When scum scumread players on the suggested team, they can't yayvote regardless of what they want. Shockey scumread you and xata and rels scumread you and SL. Even if they wanted to yayvote, they couldn't given their reads. Though I guess I can see how Rels' scumread on both of you came after the team was already nominated, so it was a choice and he didn't really need to turn around and do that. I need to check if he scumread SL before the team was suggested now. I mean like if you look at the things from my perspective: If i assume you are town (or from your perspective -- if you assume i am town), the Xatalos/rayn/SL team is probably the best mafia can get. I don't believe any of Rels/kitaman/Superbia is dumb enough to not realise that, given that the next two leaders are you and me. If the mission gets nay-voted, you will probably pick yourself (town), me (town) and someone else (possibly town). It just doesn't make any sense for any of them to downvote the mission (which is also accepted by townies). It doesn't even matter if the mafia is SL or Xatalos, if you wanna go down that road (that Xatalos is scum). Shockeyy has already proven he has no idea what he is doing anyways. And i highly doubt Xatalos, as scum, would pick two scum onto the mission, and i know, if i was scum, i would downvote the mission with 2 scum in it, because it is highly likely that none of the three people will get picked onte the next missions and suddenly you have 6 players where only one is mafia, and people won't even listen to you as you were on a mission that failed. It is just bad play to nominate 2 scum onto a mission, i know i am not mafia, so there has to be exactly 1 mafia on the mission. | ||
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On November 07 2015 19:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Okay, hold up, timeline: 1. Rels considered SL scummy. 2. Rels started considering Rayn scummy. 3. Rels still considered SL scummy. 4. Mission fails. 5. Rels considers SL obvious town because he's being set up by Rayn. What happened between 3 and 5 that made you think it's MORE likely for SL to be town after the mission fails? The problem here is i never "pushed SL to be on the mission".... I never ever did that. | ||
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On November 06 2015 01:49 kitaman27 wrote: So rayn, I'm trying to understand your read on SL. Your two main points initially were 1) That he would bus as a spy. + Show Spoiler + On November 03 2015 21:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: SL would bus (lol).  Basically as scum you want to look as town as possible and bussing is definitely not out of question, since you only need one scum onto a mission. If you, from the beginning, cut your own chances of getting to missions as scum, you basically just lose the game.And i still think SL would just bus. On November 04 2015 13:08 sicklucker wrote: unless someone can come up with evidence that shockey knew votes would be revealed he should never ever ever be on a mission One of the first things he does was explain that your strongest mafia read shockeyy should never ever be on a mission. 2) That he doesn't have a scum agenda. + Show Spoiler + On November 03 2015 19:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: It basically has to do with me not seeing him playing towards anything.. ugh... idk it is hard to explain, i don't see him having scum agenda, or anything like that behind his posting. Same basically goes to sicklucker. On November 05 2015 09:10 sicklucker wrote: like me not voting for ANY TEAM that does not include me On November 05 2015 09:46 sicklucker wrote: like i would never put up a team that didnt include me On November 04 2015 19:44 sicklucker wrote: gonna veto any xatalos unless its like me and rayn On November 05 2015 08:09 sicklucker wrote: super likely mafia. Im positive he has no reason to scum read me On November 05 2015 09:11 sicklucker wrote: im in hero pick phrase. im cooler with xata now. Essentially his strategy this game is to veto any team that doesn't include himself, attack the players that suspect him, unless his mafia read actually nominates him, then he is fine with passing the team. Why isn't this a mafia agenda? The explanation that scummy people think SL is spy, therefore he is town doesn't mean a lot considering in the first quote you say how busing isn't out of the question because you only need one spy. Doesn't the reasoning you gave point to the opposite conclusion? Yeah you are right, and i was most likely wrong. | ||
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On November 07 2015 19:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I agree that Kita and Superbia are likely town, ergo why I nominated them. I just don't think you can make it as clear cut as "they voted no so they're likely town". You establish reads during the game and if you yay-vote a team where you scumread 1-2 people on it, you're basically outing yourself. I don't think it clears him for that reason. I also don't think you can downvote the mission if you townread everyone on it. That just doesn't make any sense. I know Rels scumread Superbia and HtS before the mission went on. idk who was his third scumread at that time. Me? or SL? | ||
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Like HtS starts the game by hard-townreading both of her scumbuddies and the whole scumteam is okay with her nominating the whole scumteam onto the mission. "okay, makes sense" | ||
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On November 07 2015 19:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: He suspected both of you. Also I can kind of understand why Rels said you were pushing for SL, though he is incorrect. You just said you were okay with the pick. But yeah, not pushing it. I literally said "i would be more okay with Superbia (or even kita) in place of SL". | ||
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On November 05 2015 06:55 Superbia wrote: What team was this again? Like you+hts+xat? Yes, the team was HtS/me/Xatalos. - You townread HtS. - You townread me - Now you said you also townread Xatalos at that time So why was the team iffy at the time you made that post? | ||
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- Your read on ShoCkeyy is basically "he does scummy things so he is town" - Your read on me at the start of the game - Your push on Superbia - You not considering kitaman scum, when there was really no reason to think he is town - There are more things after you posted here, but they are irrelevant to this. Basically all this is in my filter. Yet you are incapable of finding these things out on your own. You were on the list because the proposal was literally towards you, kitaman and Shockeyy. I am not calling you scum for it. What the fuck are you even talking about? If i do a reaction test towards three people it's only natural i post what i learned ON THOSE THREE PEOPLE...... Like are you stupid or something? On November 06 2015 01:18 Rels wrote: No. You are either wrong or scum. You cannot think my scum game is PUSHING THREAD LEADERS. So if you're town, go reread my scum games and come back admitting you've made a mistake. If you're scum, feel free to do whatever. Yes i can think think that. I also used to try to antagonize marv in every game i was scum in, just because i wanted to throw him off his game until he lynches me, until i stopped doing that. It's like... defending your actions that do not make any sense by saying "i wouldn't do that as scum" is really weak Rels. It is a fact you, at the start of the game, read me scum for something you weren't even sure is true (and it wasn't). That's not how townies usually operate. You don't "guess" if something (that can be proven) is true and call people scum for it. That is just stupid. Furthermore you were trying to prove my meta wrong by using a game where you were a third faction. Because you were anti-town doesn't mean you were playing to your scum meta, especially when i fucking know you were LEGIT TRYING TO SCUMHUNT IN THAT GAME!!!! On November 06 2015 01:20 Rels wrote: The third is "why am I on a list on people failing the 'rayn's plan is scummy!' test when I said it was town motivated ?" The fourth is "do you really picture me and HTS scum together ?" 3) I said i failed to learn anything. Which means you didn't do anything scummy. I am a bit puzzled how you don't manage to read the post that way.... Like what do you think i meant? 4) Yes at that time i thought it was a possibility. I never said it is impossible for scum to bus. I said it is situational, and bussing at the start of the game is NOT a valid scum strategy (when you don't know how people's reads evolve -- who townies read as scum). However when YOU did scumread HtS there was already thread sentiment where some people thought HtS could be scum, so i don't find that impossible at all, especially when you YOURSELF say you would maybe bus as mafia.... Ironically now, you made a post on HtS where the reasoning for your scumread on her is exactly what i said days ago, yet you also scumread me. Now can you stop asking retarded questions from me? Also can you stop thinking HtS/rayn/Superbia is the scumteam because that's also retarded. Can you stop being retarded if you are town? | ||
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Unless people have really really strong townreads, nominating a three man scumteam (or even 2/3 scum) onto the first mission is better play by town than trying to nominate 3 man town team. This game, the town is too fallen apart, regardless of who is scum. It is a fact. | ||
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On November 07 2015 20:41 Half the Sky wrote: I don't say things for the hell of it, rayn. Operative quotes. And how is this me pushing SL onto the mission? | ||
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On November 05 2015 02:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: I would pick Superbia atm tbh. I think he's most likely to be town after you based on his latest posting. On November 05 2015 03:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why are you considering sicklucker over Artanis? Is there a reason for you to believe Artanis could be scum? Also you have to understand that even if me and you think sicklucker is town that doesn't really mean anything if the rest of the people downvote the team. It's just a wasted effort. I am considering Artanis (or even kita -- based on what he / if he responds to me before deadline) just because Rels cannot downvote the team, and regardless of his affiliation it is a good thing assuming Artanis is town. On November 05 2015 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like this is the main reason why i think HtS played really weirdly at the end of the first nomination. She thinks both you and kita are town but she picks the person that is least likely to get yay-voted in the team. It makes very little sense. Like sure i could try to nominate sicklucker/Artanis/Superbia because i think they are all town. Does that team ever get picked? No. So why even do that? You somehow just completely forgot about these posts right? | ||
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On November 07 2015 20:48 Half the Sky wrote: Last two days I had a grand total of 1 hour (maybe a little extra) to play this game - it's very likely I didn't even get a chance to read/refresh these posts. Then why are you posting shit before you read the thread? | ||
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Before the mission result: "I think the team is all town but if it fails sicklucker is probably scum" After the mission result: "Well NOW THAT THE MISSION FAILED time to re-evaluate all the three people" It doesn't make any sense. | ||
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On November 07 2015 21:04 Half the Sky wrote: For the amount of games you've played on TL, it still surprises me you're completely oblivious to the fact that townies do illogical/suboptimal things from time to time. So your explanation for doing illogical things is that "townies do illogical things"? | ||
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This becomes even more hard if ShoCkeyy is town aswell, which i don't believe. But yeah, the game is pretty much lost so i don't really care.
Personally I'm not that confident atm...
