Newbie Student Mafia XVII: Fullmetal Edition - Page 76

The Shining

United States2406 Posts

November 21 2015 00:27 GMT

#1501

On November 21 2015 09:18 ritoky wrote:

it's okay i think i might go shave to calm myself.

shooting ever is always the correct play, but i am in a mood right now so i would shoot NM cuz yolo tinfoil.

Actually wait. Why wouldn't you shoot FF? He's still in your doodoo pile, you still think he's scum?

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

November 21 2015 00:29 GMT

#1502

On November 21 2015 09:23 The Shining wrote:

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I meant to ask about that before we started our back and forth. Why is NM the tinfoil? Any reason in particular or gut feeling?

Feel free to disregard because you think I'm scum but I'm not and this could help my read on you

it was the "lynching trfel and not listening to anything tmrw" post. was really the 1st time he gave me pause all game. idk it was just a really bizarre post all things considered.

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

November 21 2015 00:31 GMT

#1503

On November 21 2015 09:27 The Shining wrote:

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Actually wait. Why wouldn't you shoot FF? He's still in your doodoo pile, you still think he's scum?

because he pocketed me by reading me town after i got angry.

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

November 21 2015 00:34 GMT

#1504

Effective immediately Eversince will be replaced by Onegu.

The Shining

United States2406 Posts

November 21 2015 00:35 GMT

#1505

On November 21 2015 09:26 Fecalfeast wrote:
shining, if I handed you a gun to use on any player in this game, would you use it?

frick everyone can answer that one, why not?

I'd blast eversince as I'm not sure the replacement is going to make this game any easier

Most definitely. Eversince to get rid of the question mark and I've wanted to lynch her since d1. For my scumread and also the fact that I had a feeling with the early excuse and medical condition, town would end up getting fucked like this, regardless of her alignment.

If I can't shoot ES, ritoky just so I can get closure on whether my scumread is right, if I'm being honest

The Shining

United States2406 Posts

November 21 2015 00:37 GMT

#1506

Onegu are you blue?

Fecalfeast

Canada11355 Posts

November 21 2015 00:39 GMT

#1507

Dear scum,

This is your first and only warning that saving me for a later mislynch is NOT GOING TO WORK. With that in mind I think the best course of action here is to concede. If that is not an option for you, I understand. The alternate option I propose is that you shoot me in the night. Look at my stats. Look for the word lynched and town in the same line. See that? The first and only time I've been lynched as town was over a year ago. You're not going to get me lynched. You lost your roleblocker and already have damdred surviving the entire game because of this and I don't think damdred will be coerced into lynching me when it's down to final 3.

Thanks for your time,
--FecalFeast

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Fecalfeast

Canada11355 Posts

November 21 2015 00:39 GMT

#1508

Onegu claim immediately

disformation

Germany8352 Posts

November 21 2015 00:41 GMT

#1509

Was glancing at this thread from the side. Suddenly ticktoc. Hi Onegu.

disformation

Germany8352 Posts

November 21 2015 00:45 GMT

#1510

Before the replacement I would have shot Eversince. Now I am curious what Onegu has to say.

The Shining

United States2406 Posts

November 21 2015 00:45 GMT

#1511

Lol don't leave me in final 3 pls. I make ridiculous cases and its always on the final scum. All 2 times lol

disformation

Germany8352 Posts

November 21 2015 00:45 GMT

#1512

On November 21 2015 09:45 disformation wrote:
Before the replacement I would have shot Eversince. Now I am curious what Onegu has to say.

With the hypothetical gun that is.

Fecalfeast

Canada11355 Posts

November 21 2015 00:46 GMT

#1513

On November 21 2015 09:41 disformation wrote:
Was glancing at this thread from the side. Suddenly ticktoc. Hi Onegu.

No additional input on ritoky vs shining?

The Shining

United States2406 Posts

November 21 2015 00:47 GMT

#1514

On November 21 2015 09:46 Fecalfeast wrote:

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No additional input on ritoky vs shining?

Beat me to it.

disformation

Germany8352 Posts

November 21 2015 00:55 GMT

#1515

On November 21 2015 09:47 The Shining wrote:

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Beat me to it.

Was playing Wasteland 2 for a bit. Impressions after skimming the exchange again:
Don't think ritokys "case" on The Shining is a strong one, but I want him to calm down and write up a proper one to look at that. Slightly confused as to the switching of FF and NM in his PoE though. He also has Trfel in that PoE...

I guess D3 will be a hard one.

disformation

Germany8352 Posts

November 21 2015 00:59 GMT

#1516

On November 21 2015 09:55 disformation wrote:

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Wait... I might have missread that list post from him... was that purely for the hypothetical gun question?

The Shining

United States2406 Posts

November 21 2015 01:03 GMT

#1517

Damn it disfo.

Damdred asked disformation to explain his read progression on ritoky. He basically goes from town, to town, to worried about his drop in activity, to town. Similar with me, except for me he had a lot more worries and wanted to see me town up the thread.. I was also on his poe, but the most town out of the 4 he had there.

Then I start suspecting ritoky. Now we have disfos posts RE: ritoky:

On November 21 2015 02:37 disformation wrote:

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I am kinda worried I missed something and someone is screwing town hard. But who?
NM and ritoky are very town to me. Your reasoning just now makes me also think you are very town, on top of being uncc. MD is also uncc and constantly pushing ppl he thinks are scum, although I feel his reads do not change much and he fell of D2. My role PM tells me I am a VT. I just excluded Trfel from my PoE cause his play makes a lot less sense as scum.

So unless Eversince is a PR and either MD or you took a HUGE risk in fake claiming there are like no options left.

I also think out of those 4 The Shining is the most town and am still willing to give him a day to town up the thread.

I think I called ritoky town all game, since he gave me no reason to do so otherwise. Give me a moment to write up the progressions though.

Ritoky is very town. I "think" I called ritoky town all game. Shouldn't he know how he is reading ritoky?

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On November 21 2015 03:21 disformation wrote:
Edited some stuff out, to make this more readable. I add a link to the original post for those I edited.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=18#359:

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ritoky: town for tone and how he was approaching/interacting with the thread.
the trfel read is explained in more detail here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=22#433

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On November 17 2015 02:30 disformation wrote:

On November 16 2015 23:34 NocturneMage wrote:
Alright, so ritoky is certainly town for 362, I'm moving geript back to null until he can explain why he thinks the Trfel push is malicious, not seeing further explanation yet in his filter.

disformation why is Trfel's post "strange"? You are a newer player like myself so ignoring meta, can you expand on what you thought was wrong with it?

I can try.

So TS posts this:

On November 16 2015 06:22 The Shining wrote:

On November 16 2015 06:19 geript wrote:
Also if trfel hasn't said at least 1 smart thing by tomorrow we kill him.

I like this. Trfels entrance was a one liner asking you to explain your read. And the posts are worryingly short. Is this the same Trfel that likes to post crazy WoT to start games and do stuff to get conversation and reads going? Because that is the town Trfel I know and this isn't him.

A few mins later Trfel posts this:

On November 16 2015 06:24 Trfel wrote:
VisceraEyes

VisceraEyes makes two posts showing suspicion of The Shining.
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On November 16 2015 05:35 VisceraEyes wrote:

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No townreads = trying to keep options open. Marfia.

On November 16 2015 05:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like statistically speaking you could just close your eyes and point at a townie, so the fact that you can't trust ANYONE with so many having posted is a huge red flag for me.

After these posts, VisceraEyes treats The Shining like he is town, specifically by telling The Shining how to properly play as town.
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On November 16 2015 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
As for finding scum not town, it's infinitely easier to narrow down your search by correctly identifying townies. This is known.

On November 16 2015 05:45 VisceraEyes wrote:

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And AS I said, it wasn't a random snap vote. It's a vote placed with reason. You may or may not agree with the reason, that's your prerogative and should affect whether or not you place your vote. Not mine. <3

Furthermore, Eversince's post on FarahBlackwing has a very large logical flaw, in that The Shining hadn't posted at the time. Eversince is comparing a townread based on actual posts to a vote with zero reason from this game, which does not work. VisceraEyes knows much better than this.

This isn't VisceraEyes pushing The Shining, this is VisceraEyes reading incorrectly and flailing wildly at The Shining with words that don't match his stance.

Hm looking at the timestamps that could have been ninja...
Well what I meant at the time with strange: 1) the timing 2) the targets.
What is strange with the targets? Well he basically helps defending TS from mean VE, after TS expressed his dislike of Trfel. So in maffay motivations this trfel post could have been motivated to a) "hey look I am doing Trfel town stuff" and b) "hey TS I am totally on your side, ease up your suspicions on me."

Even with the TS post being a ninja motivation 1) still is possible, since the geript post.
Not enough to give Trfel a scum read, but I won't give him a town read either.

So I find the timing and the motivation of Trfel's post odd, but as always fail to come to a solid conclusion on Trfel.

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rit town read and despite not reaching a conclusion on Trfel earlier he shows up in the list of ppl that I dislike. A bunch of ppl rightfully complain about this and I try to explain:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=32#626

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So what I wanted to say: I don't have a solid scum read on him, but he shows up in my PoE since I also don't TR him and have suspicious as I indicated earlier.

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rit: town.
trfel: no idea where his reads are at: no like still suspicious.

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On November 18 2015 01:37 disformation wrote:
Trfel

Already expanded on his early VE case here:
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On November 17 2015 02:30 disformation wrote:
I can try.
So TS posts this:
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On November 16 2015 06:22 The Shining wrote:
On November 16 2015 06:19 geript wrote:
Also if trfel hasn't said at least 1 smart thing by tomorrow we kill him.

I like this. Trfels entrance was a one liner asking you to explain your read. And the posts are worryingly short. Is this the same Trfel that likes to post crazy WoT to start games and do stuff to get conversation and reads going? Because that is the town Trfel I know and this isn't him.

A few mins later Trfel posts this:
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On November 16 2015 06:24 Trfel wrote:
VisceraEyes

VisceraEyes makes two posts showing suspicion of The Shining.
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On November 16 2015 05:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On November 16 2015 05:34 The Shining wrote:
Farrah your logic is flawed. I rolled scum a few games ago which means I'm due for another 10 town games, which this is. Your instant vote is pretty uncalled for so early, with so many people missing but I'll chalk it up to interesting entrance. How far you plan on pushing this obvious policy lynch?

Actually all the entrances so far suck. No TRs, town Y u make this so hard?

No townreads = trying to keep options open. Marfia.
On November 16 2015 05:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like statistically speaking you could just close your eyes and point at a townie, so the fact that you can't trust ANYONE with so many having posted is a huge red flag for me.

After these posts, VisceraEyes treats The Shining like he is town, specifically by telling The Shining how to properly play as town.
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On November 16 2015 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
As for finding scum not town, it's infinitely easier to narrow down your search by correctly identifying townies. This is known.
On November 16 2015 05:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On November 16 2015 05:44 The Shining wrote:
If you want me to explain, the logic of closing your eyes and finding a town less than an hour to d1 by just pointing means statistically you have a higher chance of finding town by being random. By that same logic, snap voting this early on D1 means it has a higher chance of landing on town.

Farrah why do you think the game is boring less than an hour after it started? That feels pretty ñonsensical. Things have to happen for it to be exciting, or boring. Deciding its boring on the 3rd post of the game is pretty weird.

And AS I said, it wasn't a random snap vote. It's a vote placed with reason. You may or may not agree with the reason, that's your prerogative and should affect whether or not you place your vote. Not mine. <3

Furthermore, Eversince's post on FarahBlackwing has a very large logical flaw, in that The Shining hadn't posted at the time. Eversince is comparing a townread based on actual posts to a vote with zero reason from this game, which does not work. VisceraEyes knows much better than this.

This isn't VisceraEyes pushing The Shining, this is VisceraEyes reading incorrectly and flailing wildly at The Shining with words that don't match his stance.

Hm looking at the timestamps that could have been ninja...
Well what I meant at the time with strange: 1) the timing 2) the targets.
What is strange with the targets? Well he basically helps defending TS from mean VE, after TS expressed his dislike of Trfel. So in maffay motivations this trfel post could have been motivated to a) "hey look I am doing Trfel town stuff" and b) "hey TS I am totally on your side, ease up your suspicions on me."

Even with the TS post being a ninja motivation 1) still is possible, since the geript post.
Not enough to give Trfel a scum read, but I won't give him a town read either.
Posts a new, way more fleshed out case on VE:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=23#447
Not sure if the case holds, but the willingness to pursuit his scum read despite resistance, is town for me.
Follows up with interactions with different ppls. I can clearly follow his train of thought on his new prime suspect scott. Still doesn't like VE.

Agenda seems to be figuring out the game and pushing his prime suspects. Town pile for today.

Did a filter dive on Trfel and decide that his pursuit of VE is rather town than scum.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=45#890

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That is when I was greatly confused by the geript/scott association thing Trfel posted.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=60#1187

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I later expand on this post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=62#1222

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On November 20 2015 05:05 disformation wrote:
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On November 19 2015 23:05 disformation wrote:
Hi Damdred, Hi sicklucker

Should have gone to bed earlier yesterday. 13 hours of mafia after 4 hours of sleep might not have been the greatest of ideas.

At least I now 100% believe the vet claim.

So:
ritoky, was worried when he fell off, but since he got back I only got town vibes, so he stays town.
moosydoosy. Still not a fan of my sweetheart, but still think he is far more likely to flip town than scum.
damdy. vet.

trfel. in my tinfoil world he is town. him being the vig would make tons of sense to me. that being said, I am still confused by a few of his posts. I have a half finished filter dive on him saved somewhere, will look at that some more later.

FF. Like null? I know he is supposed to be lazy as town, but I could easily see him as mafia coasting by at this point.
Eversince. I also hope there were no problems with the surgery and stuff, but there aren't that many options left and that could bite town in the ass soon. I also remembered that we are supposed to have at least 5 posts per day/night cycle and get modkilled if we don't, as per the rules in the op. Though hoping for a replacement/modkill is probably not the safest/best way to handle this.
Breshke. Okay, I admit the stuff I said yesterday about him parking his vote on MD, might just be because of timezones. Still high chance of flipping scum though, since I haven't seen anything that made my stomach tingly and the points from D1 still stand.
The Shining. Still want to see a bunch more from him to decide. Not compelled in either direction atm, but the PoE is getting smaller...

So yeah if the vigi is someone of the bottom 4 1/2 ppl in this list I would love for him to claim, since this would greatly improve our chances to hit mafia today.

So imo we either deal with Eversince today, as damdy suggested or we lynch one of Breshke/FF.

To expand and update on my current read list:

Town

ritoky Was worried at one point, cause he kinda fell off the thread, but when he came back I kinda immediately felt the town vibe. It is kinda hard to describe and partially tone based, but it is how he is interacting with ppl and how he kept his cool during the Farah claiming situation D2 and tried to find the best play for town.

Bananaboat

Trfel Currently conflicted here. Wrong/Frustrated town or not? This is probably a big thing to figure out for town as a whole.

So in summary: I think ritoky is pretty towny this game, but that is a pretty tonal read. Maybe I should be more careful with that, but I haven't seen anything to call him scum for.
Trfel I have a hard time reading, since I can't wrap my head around a bunch of his cases, like the defense on Breskhe and the geript/scott thing.

If you have more questions, please shoot.

Spoiler contains his read progression. He concludes ritoky is town, though it is mostly a tonal read. But he hasn't seen anything to call him scum for. Assuming he really put in all that work to explain ritokys read progression, he should have been familiar with some of the things ritoky has done. But these things in particular doesn't come up until after ritoky becomes a suspect:

On November 21 2015 05:52 disformation wrote:
So I suggest looking at the reasons for voting again.
Oh wait... didn't FF do a good post on Breshke and ritoky was super suspicious of FF? But then rit did vote together with FF?

On November 21 2015 05:58 disformation wrote:

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Why is he voting Breshke together with FF who he suspects and kinda wants to lynch, too?
And why is he suggesting to lynch two ppl who are very afk at that time?

This flipflop feels way too easily done, considering it was me suspecting ritoky(I'm not a townread to disfo) and Damdred(based off of a soulread, disfo is now paranoid. Paranoid enough to now want to lynch ritoky?)

Fecalfeast

Canada11355 Posts

November 21 2015 01:05 GMT

#1518

That's actually not bad shining.

The Shining

United States2406 Posts

November 21 2015 01:07 GMT

#1519

Tldr disfo said he didn't find anything to call ritoky scum for. Ritoky comes under suspicion. He finds things to call ritoky scum for.

So this game is still hard. Ugh.

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

November 21 2015 01:09 GMT

#1520

yo shining, imagine a world i am town (like i did earlier w/ you and cuz it is the real world) what 3 lynches win the game?

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