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On November 19 2015 05:06 FarahBlackwing wrote: Ok, ##vote breshke claim vigilante On November 19 2015 03:45 FarahBlackwing wrote: Confirmed Town: Scott Farah I think They Are Town: Shining Geript Moos NocturneMage I thought they were town now they are falling VE Eversince Ritoky Not Sure Disformation Breshke Trfel Good Chance of Scum FF I haven't done much research this game like I did last game, Ritoky could move into the Not sure and so could VE. Ever I hope comes back. And its still forming a bit and the game is rather hard at this juncture. I am not sure I understand. | ||
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On November 19 2015 05:14 FarahBlackwing wrote: I was telling the vigilante to claim not that I was vigilante *facepalm* thanks, carry on. | ||
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On November 19 2015 05:21 The Shining wrote: I just got into work 20 mins ago. I've got a lot of reading to do but I should be here all day, as long as work stays slow. Also looking at the EoN post and the OP, I kinda have a speculation here. Geripts body went missing. The vigs role description is Rroy Mustang, burns up a guy. VEs body was found. Am I wrong for thinking scum just told us the setup? I think geript was the vig shot(body disappeared cuz it was burned up) and VE was townread but not by all and inactive towards end of day. Maybe a medic dodge? Should I even be speculating on this? Lol Welcome back.  I'd rather have you put out some reads and stuff, since there is not much to read from you and I am not in love with your EoD post. | ||
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MoosyDoosy (4): FarahBlackwing (1): Eversince, Fecalfeast (1): VisceraEyes Breshke (1): geript, The Shining (0): Trfel (0): VisceraEyes (0): mooseydoosey (0): disinformation (0): So the wasted votes minus Eversince were town. This tells us that town is... + Show Spoiler + Super good at voting+ Show Spoiler + ACE DETECTIVE Especially if MD is indeed town, which I think is likely, anyone on of the remaining people could be maffay, from looking at the vca alone. *sigh* | ||
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On November 19 2015 05:38 The Shining wrote: I don't think anyone is. Hell I even wasn't, I rushed through it. And I had a feeling this was another inactive Scott d1 town lynch and I ended up being right but I took a chance which didn't pay out =/ but the other option was Moosy, and his posting since he started playing makes me feel better about him. I just wish he hadn't waited until N1 to do so. I do like that he also took the time to post 2 cases on both Farrah and yourself, though if I'm being honest I haven't fully read his case on you. I was more interested in his Farrah case, since I already had suspicions on you and had her as town. And I'm known for being very wrong early game lol Kinda had the same problem, which is why I tried to switch to Breskhe, but ended up switching back to scott anyway. So fair enough I guess.^^ | ||
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On November 19 2015 06:13 The Shining wrote: Yeah actually because of this post I'm going to filter dive disfo and hopefully find some time to check his past games, too. Like, I suspected you. I said I still have suspicions of you. Are you normally this nice and agreeable with people that think you're scum? It's a scum trait, IMO, to try to appease thread sentiment and avoid conflict. Why aren't you curious what exactly I'm suspicious about RE: you so you can explain it? And you started hedging your read on me because of my lack of activity and wanting to see reads from me. I just dropped a big post in response to ritoky. I think I've done enough to be read one way or the other so are ya gonna waffle on me again? Yes, I am nearly always this nice and polite. I got in a few "fights" with boxerfred in NSM10 (who was maffay) and I really dislike dealing with my sweetheart moosydoosy over there. Other than that this is basically how I roll. Should maybe RP as an angry, cocksure, arrogant bastard the next time I roll town... | ||
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On November 19 2015 06:08 Breshke wrote: disformation can you explain to me exactly what you mean when you say "waffly" Being but a leaf in the wind. Basically: On November 18 2015 02:00 FarahBlackwing wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote disinformation Actually this might be the right way to go today, we can discuss scott/moos during he night and see how we want our vig/cop to act in that regard. But disinformation isn't committing to anything, hes keeping his options open to see which way the wind is going to blow so that he can conceivably go with thread sentiment. His last two posts have set him up so that he can sheep either side as he has doubts about both. Its interesting to say the least. She votes me, then unvotes me, votes Breshke, votes Scott and so on, being very unsure about things. Notice that she didn't post a lot of reads before I asked her to. This changed just now when she straight up went ahead and votes breshke today. So I can start getting waffly (as in not sure if I want to keep the maffay read) on her again. | ||
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On November 19 2015 06:30 Breshke wrote: Farah are you going to explain why FF is the vigi? On November 19 2015 06:24 FarahBlackwing wrote: Everyone except Ritoky, Eversince and FecalFeast have entered the thread at this point. You claim your shot as soon as you can as vig so that mafia can't create confusion later on with claiming the shot. We can eliminate Ritoky from the list of consideration because he hard town read VE throughout the day even if he dropped a bit due to inactivity. Eversince hasn't been here and didn't respond during the night which makes her highly unlikely to be the vigilante FecalFeast is the best candidate left currently. | ||
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On November 19 2015 06:46 Breshke wrote: I think I might be reading this wrong or ive missed something. To me the bolded implies you had a mafia read on farah? When was this and for what reasons Night 1, because she was as waffly, if not even more than me. I looked at the behaviour of ppl at vote time and founds hers to be really suspicious as in "oh I dont really care which townie I vote for". Though she strangely avoided MD. Link to my huge post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=48#948 Also currently working on a response to The Shining on ritoky. | ||
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On November 19 2015 06:05 The Shining wrote: These are half an hr apart. I'm not sure I like ritoky anymore. He mentions Ever not being around, not doing anything and wondering when he can start being a dick to her. And half an hour later he picks apart my admittedly ehhh EoD post but the last line is just. No. I don't want to self meta but I never believe anything strongly d1, d1 is the worst day for me, especially when it starts on a Sunday and I'm limited on time through most of it. But how can you question my scumread on Ever right after bringing up her uselessness and doing nothing and not being here? It doesn't add up. "I don't want to self meta but I am going to self meta."  ritoky also didn't dislike that you dislike ever, he dislikes that that is the only read you seem confident in, as per his last paragraph. On November 19 2015 06:05 The Shining wrote: He also claims Farrah was bad for having regret on the Scott town lynch and claims he tried to get a switch. This is not true. He voted Scott 3 mins before EoD and voted Moosy literally on the hour at EoD yelling OGOD TOWN FEELS. This was WAY too late to get any shenanny done, it looks like he just wanted off the Scott wagon once he realized it was going through. Did you miss this scott post like 2min b4 deadline: On November 18 2015 04:58 scott31337 wrote: I just got back to see the votes starting on me. When I flip town will you guys lynch Trfel tomorrow? He sure is reminding me of NSM IX I posted - so I'd appreciate you all re-evaluating him. I'm pretty sure Ritoky, Geript, NM, and disinf are all town. Make Moosy fucking do something, please. Moosy/Breshke/Trfel are the lynch list right now, but I have a tingly feeling one of the vets has me/us fooled for now. This post is what caused ritoky to go like "nooo town feels" and vote MD. If he would do this as mafia or not is of course WIFOM. On November 18 2015 04:58 scott31337 wrote: As far as explaining his points vs my posts, he includes himself in the obvious townread pile. Geript flipped VT and I still think NM is towny af. I'm known for being wrong so if I'm wrong on any here its ritoky. And I don't understand how maybe 2 lines each explaining my read on geript, nm, ritoky is over explained. I didn't post an entire town case like he did on VE. VE also flipped town. It's bull to pick on my VE read there because I wanted VE to be there to talk to while I was there EoD. But he wasn't, which is why I said I wished he was around. So that is mentioning the activity dropoff. And sure it was a giant post but outside of the initial hard townreads, I left spaces in between every read. It's not that hard to find your name if you're actually town and reading. Fair enough. On November 18 2015 04:58 scott31337 wrote: Scott? W.e I lynched him, I lynched town, sorry but I'm not gonna go too much into this. I took a chance, it didn't pay out, I was thinking Moosy could be town, I'm not gonna defend it anymore than that. Fair enough. Am guilty of the same thing. Problem is that since it seems all the maffay members (-eversince if she is maffay) were on scott and MD. So someone having a super bad excuse on MD or scott has to be maffay. On November 18 2015 04:58 scott31337 wrote: Eversince yup because like you said useless and not around. The excuse can only go so far, especially since ritoky himself said he hates excuses. I'm sorry if I'm being a bit of a dick towards ES for that but with a wasted vote, no reads, no idea if she even knows or cares what's going on, it could very well be scum with no motivation becuz of irl stuff. I agree that eversince could very well be super dangerous for town. But lynching her is a coin flip and we have two other maffay around. On November 18 2015 04:58 scott31337 wrote: Town Moosy did this last game. I had reservations. Not gonna re explain this either. Fair enough. On November 18 2015 04:58 scott31337 wrote: I like the Farrah posts he hates. OK? I'm becoming suspicious of ritoky so I actually like that we don't share that read. Going to side with ritoky on this. On November 18 2015 04:58 scott31337 wrote: Scott not trying to solve the game is strange because Scott likes to solve the game. Ya scumlean. FF was lazy af and didn't really do anything last game until d2 or 3. He was town. So ya town lean. Simple eh? Not able to verify your meta read atm. On November 18 2015 04:58 scott31337 wrote: Town Trfel is kinda like me, gets better as the game goes on if he's town. I want to reread him before I give a definite read on him because he posted a lot after my last post but its just as important to see HOW he was going at one of my townreads, not just that he was going at my townread. Will remember this. Not following up on such things gets one scum read quite fast, or so I am told. On November 18 2015 04:58 scott31337 wrote: Scott flipped town. So now I'm more suspicious of disfo. The Switzerland bit is pretty funny tho. I agree that the Switzerland bit is quite funny. So, did I forget something? Oh, yeah, I am supposed to come to a conclusion right? Hah, I kinda forget that part every time. Why are you trying this hard to defend a post you admitted to being bad? Like being overly defensive gets oneself scumread, or so I am told. I mean I don't get why you dislike ritoky other than having other reads? The first two points are you missing a post and not getting his point. For VE he pointed out you were kinda unsure about him. Like dunno, I am used to being unsure about shit all the time. *shrugs* He also is right with the scott stuff, although I shouldn't judge you for that since I have done very similar stuff. I agree on MD and Eversince (mostly) but disagree on Farah. And can't verify your meta reads. So to me you both are just not agreeing with each other. Don't see why I should be suspicious of ritoky for criticizing your post. On the other hand I am not quite sure what the point of this post is. If I missed something important or misunderstood, could you highlight that part for me and/or explain it to me like I only had 4hours of sleep and run purely on coffee? | ||
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On November 19 2015 07:44 ritoky wrote: can you make me fall in love with you today. i gave you a town pass cuz you courted me and were funny, but you're starting to make your way toward my PoE at a quicker and quicker rate. so plz defecate town rainbows if you're town. Since farah is currently an uncced blue, I would very much like this, too. | ||
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On November 19 2015 07:49 FarahBlackwing wrote: Never lynch an uncc blue your dumb otherwise. Can I never lynch an uncc blue and still be dumbe? Pretty please? Also: what do you think of the recent Breshke posts? I have a vague idea, but I'd like you to humor me. | ||
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On November 19 2015 07:56 ritoky wrote: because at worst the vigi is just a confirmed town which lowers the lynch pool by 1 (2 if farah is legit). at best the vigi baits a cc from mafia and we get a 1:1. there is actually 0 reason to not claim as vigi post-shot unless they are trying to avoid having me tell them why they are stupid for shooting geript or ve. And since town is currently pretty headless and clueless (well at least I am) a lowered lynch pool would be appreciated. But I did neither shoot the deputy nor the sheriff and it is up to the vigi to decide this. | ||
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On November 19 2015 08:00 The Shining wrote: Disfo you get half a town point just for being the only one to mention that post tbh. I'm not gonna quote it and stretch the thread out but this is in response to 1072. A half point?! That is like one brazillion more than I got this whole game so far. On one hand I want to hold onto it, but on the other hand I am quite positive it will be gone quite soon. On November 19 2015 08:00 The Shining wrote: First point. Right I dont want to but I did anyway cuz I felt it necessary to point out. Yolo. And considering ES was one of the only players I had directly interacted with, it would make sense that she was the read I was most sure of. Okay, fair enough. On November 19 2015 08:00 The Shining wrote: No I didn't miss that post and I won't go into wifom territory on whether scum ritoky would do that or not. The point I was trying to make is that he himself claimed he tried to get a switch. But he can't really say he did that when that Scott post and his switch were all at the last possible minute. It just looked like he said that to make himself look good. A bit tinfoily, but I can see/understand that now. On November 19 2015 08:00 The Shining wrote: Skipping the fair enough. Fair enough. On November 19 2015 08:00 The Shining wrote: I agree with you there. But if Moosy is in fact town, then I'm more inclined to think the early voters that never moved are more likely scum than the vote switchers. Like if town is getting lynched regardless, scum has no motivation to move back and forth a bunch of times. That is a good one! Will look at my vca post and see who that would apply to. On November 19 2015 08:00 The Shining wrote: So you think Farrah is scum then? I believe someone asked you before to show when and where your null read on her became scum. Can you do that now? What do you think of her blue claim? I had her as scum N1. Will link that (again, I think I linked it for breshke a few pages ago)... actually will put the relevant part in an extra post. Currently my official read on her is: wtf bananaboat. Which is like 3rd party, but slightly tastier and floating on water. Or rather uncced vet with plays that make no sense for either town nor scum. But I might look at it again, if I am able to figure out what the correct bait for a wtf bananaboat is. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=48#948 Note that I also made one mistake in this post, as written in the post after that wall. On November 18 2015 23:37 disformation wrote: Decided to leave farah's filter for later. Looking at the votes yesterday. Warning this will be a wall. Starting from yesterday afternoon approximately 7 hours before deadline we were at: I will now continue to look at the votes that followed and the excuses/explanations for them.
Conclusions Farah If I am but a leaf in the wind, then what is Farah? + Show Spoiler + scum! Like seriously I did waffle around a fair bit, but she is all over with her votes... Looking at Farah's and Trfel's filters next. My mistake is in the red line. She did not like scott from the start and she doesn't care if it is scott or breshke. Which makes that thing look a bit better but still... Looks to me like she throws her vote around a lot trying to figure were it will stick and not really caring which townie gets lynched, but strangely avoiding the MD wagon. Actually... if she was scum wouldn't it be better to just stick to scott from the very beginning? Hmm... Well... that was my read at the time, currently she is a wtf bananaboat. Will I ever be able to stick to a read? Find out in the next episode of Waffle Boy. | ||
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On November 19 2015 09:48 disformation wrote: That is a good one! Will look at my vca post and see who that would apply to. On November 19 2015 05:44 disformation wrote: scott31337 (6): MoosyDoosy (4): FarahBlackwing (1): Eversince, Fecalfeast (1): VisceraEyes Breshke (1): geript, The Shining (0): Trfel (0): VisceraEyes (0): mooseydoosey (0): disinformation (0): So the wasted votes minus Eversince were town. This tells us that town is... + Show Spoiler + Super good at voting+ Show Spoiler + ACE DETECTIVE Especially if MD is indeed town, which I think is likely, anyone on of the remaining people could be maffay, from looking at the vca alone. *sigh* Early voters that never moved. Why that would be MoosyDoosy. -.- ritoky only moved to "try and save" scott. scott is conf. town and nai... leaving Breshke: he did vote MD around 5h15 b4 deadline and went to bed. If I look at my huge ass post again (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=48#948), that starts considering votes from 7h before deadline to deadline, I think this can still be considered early. Next post from Breshke is well into N1. I also don't think that all the mafia are on the scott train. | ||
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On November 19 2015 10:11 NocturneMage wrote: as glowingbear told me in my newbie 13 game, scum play to survive. even if we go through a cycle, say we fuck up again and mislynch, night phase passes and she's not taken out, if she gets one mislynch out of that, she's gotten her team closer to victory. 2 mislynches left in that scenario. alright now eversince. Oh right. If we don't lynch her today and mafia doesn't shoot her, we have to worry about her again tomorrow... crap. For me it is currently either her or Breshke. Since I am not happy lunching into uncc blue... ##vote Breshke Will cobble together a case. | ||
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