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On November 17 2015 21:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah I'm not really into lynching Shining. Like what scummy things has Shining done besides being a little antsy about my early gutreads?
mah main beef is that he hasnt been here for ages and thus I have zero idea about his current thoughts. he could jump on any train for any reason and probably get sway with it so I would like him to dhow up and kick some ass. 
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also for the record: i am on phone and hadnt seen ritoky's vote before starting to type my vote post.
still up for voting moosy since i much dislike his antics.
farah showing up would be nice too since i am quite null about her...
does anyone hsve a solid read on her?
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On November 17 2015 21:46 NocturneMage wrote:
On Shining's absence, I know from obsing previous games he doesn't play on off days and if I read somewhere in thread right it was Monday/Tuesday. To me that's NAI but will review the interactions which apparently ritoky has found suspicious.
Tone reads I had the opposite conclusion, but I've been advised in the past they are weak and subjective so...
So disformation, hate to break it to you, your vote will not achieve its intended purpose.
the shining doesnt play on Mon/Tue?
Shit. That leaves me somewhat stumped...
Thinking on that for a moment...
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So it is either Scott or moosydoosy...
*sigh* lemme look at the current vc
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wow. dealine in 7hours and town has no clue to lynch. i wish i was good at this game and had a solid scum read...
defaulting to moosy for now. will try to figure out something when i am back on a pc.
##unvote
##vote MoosyDoosy
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On November 17 2015 20:34 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2015 20:28 ritoky wrote:On November 17 2015 20:24 disformation wrote:phone post. profound sadness. @geript you have 7 ppl in your not town list, isnt that a bit much? keeping your options open?  should i keep my post you would have advised me to post as mafia around for when i roll mafia? I mean you and ritoky called me out for it afteur all. ![[image loading]](http://t05.deviantart.net/D30-nV3sTETSHPCASOTjPchgSkw=/fit-in/150x150/filters:no_upscale():origin()/pre04/db57/th/pre/i/2010/298/5/1/scowl_by_fanatic4life-d31i4cy.png) not sure what you are trxing to say, but this pictute made me laugh.
Epiphany: you are saying I act like a deviant brat.
You are correct.
Frustrated at having a hard time this game, after my last town game went pretty good...
Going to ignore that stuff for now. Should have time to really look at things in about an hour or so.
@NocturneMage:
Like the tone of The Shining suggest town for me, but like you I have a difficult time wrapping my head about the content he posted. Like it is all about that early Farah and Eversince stuff... so I have zero idea where he currently stands... is he voting? will he show up to vote? I have no clue who he will vote... and that makes a bit antsy.
So I am not inclined to call him either town or mafia. But he is basically getting a day of doing nearly nothing for free. I hope he does some amazing stuff D2...
Will look at your stuff on Farah more closely when I have the time.
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Nah. The Shining hasn't voted... -.-
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At home now.
Found some motivation on the way home.
Time for ace detective disformation to bust out some moves.
There are probably three Homunculi remaining.
Case closed, let's get drunk.
Nah, Imma dive some filters and try to look at what the people in question are trying to achieve.
@Trfel I get your what you are saying on MoosyDoosy vs Scott and I could vote for both atm, but: as you said MoosyDoosy is a wildcard. How do you propose we handle him? I fear he will just continue to be a wildcard and at some point town has to deal with that.
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scott31337
So... uh... I have no clue what he is trying to achieve. Posting to be posting? He certainly isn't pushing his suspect which still seems to be trfel?
Like the only redeeming thing is:
On November 17 2015 14:42 scott31337 wrote:
I'll be up in about 12 hours and bitch that I'm not online and posting. Well suck it I was busy helping out my cousin that I just found out had MS.
Which would be a super hard dick move to fake, imo.
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Trfel
- Already expanded on his early VE case here:
+ Show Spoiler +On November 17 2015 02:30 disformation wrote:I can try. So TS posts this: Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 06:22 The Shining wrote:On November 16 2015 06:19 geript wrote:
Also if trfel hasn't said at least 1 smart thing by tomorrow we kill him. I like this. Trfels entrance was a one liner asking you to explain your read. And the posts are worryingly short. Is this the same Trfel that likes to post crazy WoT to start games and do stuff to get conversation and reads going? Because that is the town Trfel I know and this isn't him. A few mins later Trfel posts this: Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 06:24 Trfel wrote:VisceraEyesVisceraEyes makes two posts showing suspicion of The Shining. + Show Spoiler +On November 16 2015 05:35 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 05:34 The Shining wrote:
Farrah your logic is flawed. I rolled scum a few games ago which means I'm due for another 10 town games, which this is. Your instant vote is pretty uncalled for so early, with so many people missing but I'll chalk it up to interesting entrance. How far you plan on pushing this obvious policy lynch?
Actually all the entrances so far suck. No TRs, town Y u make this so hard? No townreads = trying to keep options open. Marfia. On November 16 2015 05:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like statistically speaking you could just close your eyes and point at a townie, so the fact that you can't trust ANYONE with so many having posted is a huge red flag for me. After these posts, VisceraEyes treats The Shining like he is town, specifically by telling The Shining how to properly play as town. + Show Spoiler +On November 16 2015 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
As for finding scum not town, it's infinitely easier to narrow down your search by correctly identifying townies. This is known. On November 16 2015 05:45 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 05:44 The Shining wrote:
If you want me to explain, the logic of closing your eyes and finding a town less than an hour to d1 by just pointing means statistically you have a higher chance of finding town by being random. By that same logic, snap voting this early on D1 means it has a higher chance of landing on town.
Farrah why do you think the game is boring less than an hour after it started? That feels pretty ñonsensical. Things have to happen for it to be exciting, or boring. Deciding its boring on the 3rd post of the game is pretty weird. And AS I said, it wasn't a random snap vote. It's a vote placed with reason. You may or may not agree with the reason, that's your prerogative and should affect whether or not you place your vote. Not mine. <3 Furthermore, Eversince's post on FarahBlackwing has a very large logical flaw, in that The Shining hadn't posted at the time. Eversince is comparing a townread based on actual posts to a vote with zero reason from this game, which does not work. VisceraEyes knows much better than this. This isn't VisceraEyes pushing The Shining, this is VisceraEyes reading incorrectly and flailing wildly at The Shining with words that don't match his stance. Hm looking at the timestamps that could have been ninja... Well what I meant at the time with strange: 1) the timing 2) the targets. What is strange with the targets? Well he basically helps defending TS from mean VE, after TS expressed his dislike of Trfel. So in maffay motivations this trfel post could have been motivated to a) "hey look I am doing Trfel town stuff" and b) "hey TS I am totally on your side, ease up your suspicions on me." Even with the TS post being a ninja motivation 1) still is possible, since the geript post. Not enough to give Trfel a scum read, but I won't give him a town read either.
- Posts a new, way more fleshed out case on VE:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=23#447
Not sure if the case holds, but the willingness to pursuit his scum read despite resistance, is town for me.
- Follows up with interactions with different ppls. I can clearly follow his train of thought on his new prime suspect scott. Still doesn't like VE.
Agenda seems to be figuring out the game and pushing his prime suspects. Town pile for today.
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On November 18 2015 01:22 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2015 01:11 disformation wrote:
@Trfel I get your what you are saying on MoosyDoosy vs Scott and I could vote for both atm, but: as you said MoosyDoosy is a wildcard. How do you propose we handle him? I fear he will just continue to be a wildcard and at some point town has to deal with that. I guess, I feel like time will take care of MoosyDoosy a bit better than it will scott31337. Scott31337 will probably continue to play in about the same way, and I feel like his play to this point is very revealing already (more what's not there than what is). MoosyDoosy's play certainly can't become any less helpful, as he's shown some investment to the game despite asking to be lynched. It's hard to explain my thoughts, maybe I'm just being insane, but I can't see him playing for a significant period of time while putting a bit of effort into the game and also asking to be lynched. And whatever change he makes from that balance would probably be telling.
Yeah, MoosyDoosy's more recent posts sound more reasonable. But some ppl pointed out that he faked outbursts of emotion before and I am a bit annoyed by this play, tbh.
Scotts filter looks horrible as I pointed out, but the dma makes a bit worried.
So I am feeling a bit coin tossy at the moment about these two. Will probably look at MoosyDoosy's filter next.
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Still not to sure about that huge change in his read on me... though willingness to reevaluate reads is more town in my book...
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On November 18 2015 01:56 FarahBlackwing wrote:
This is a hard game.
And i'm still not sure what to make of disinformation he keeps pointing out these scummy things people do but then ends up with something that could make them town. And really won't commit to a read either way this close to lynch, I almost would rather lynch him at this point maybe.
welcome to disformation town play. I am calling myself waffleboy for a reason.
A pity tunneltock is hosting this and not playing. We make a great team. xD
Still finishing up on MoosyDoosy. Probably The Shining and Farah after that.
The thing is: I can see a bunch of ppl getting like 1 free day (Eversince, The Shining, MoosyDoosy, scott), depending on the lynch of course and that worries me a bit because we have huge potential for maffay just coasting by.
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On November 18 2015 02:00 FarahBlackwing wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote disinformation
Actually this might be the right way to go today, we can discuss scott/moos during he night and see how we want our vig/cop to act in that regard.
But disinformation isn't committing to anything, hes keeping his options open to see which way the wind is going to blow so that he can conceivably go with thread sentiment. His last two posts have set him up so that he can sheep either side as he has doubts about both. Its interesting to say the least.
I am but a leaf in the wind. And my nick is disformation without in. I am not 100% sure how the automated vote counting tool handles votes, so you might want to remedy that.
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On November 18 2015 02:07 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2015 02:00 FarahBlackwing wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote disinformation
Actually this might be the right way to go today, we can discuss scott/moos during he night and see how we want our vig/cop to act in that regard.
But disinformation isn't committing to anything, hes keeping his options open to see which way the wind is going to blow so that he can conceivably go with thread sentiment. His last two posts have set him up so that he can sheep either side as he has doubts about both. Its interesting to say the least. I am but a leaf in the wind. And my nick is disformation without in. I am not 100% sure how the automated vote counting tool handles votes, so you might want to remedy that.
Okay, okay. I will try to come up with an conclusion about MoosyDoosy vs. Scott31337. Let me finish MoosyDoosy's filter first. As you see I have quite a hard time deciding which one I dislike more as I am not 100% on one of them.
Since this is a game of mafia and I am town I can't be 100% on anyone... which causes me some distress. I don't like making the wrong choices and that is why I appear as being waffly or keeping my options open.
So again sry for my bad play town, but please bear with me. I understand that you want to lynch me for that, but I am town.
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Okay moosy vs scott:
MoosyDoosy
Do I want to lynch moosy because I think he is mafia?
To be totally honest: No. I want to policy lynch him for pulling that martyr shit again.
From things like: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=38#741
And his tone when talking to FF I think he is more likely to flip town than mafia...
I am still not a fan and think it might be dangerous for town to keep him around for to long, since he is kinda a wildcard. But as town I should lynch mafia... so prolly unvoting.
Scott
When looking at his filter my brain says he is maffay. I look at the dick move analysis and my gut says he is town. I am probably too nice. That being said I think he actually has a higher chance of being maffay than MoosyDoosy. Which makes me kinda said.
Looking at scotts filter again and try to see what geript is seeing.
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On November 18 2015 02:24 geript wrote:
A few things.
Moosey 5.5/7--I think Moosy might be town. It's kinda impossible to tell, but I liked his Farah read. I don't think the read is good, but Moosy tends (as town) to be staunch on some really out there read that no one else sees. Yes, he does the same thing as scum. Yes, IMO he'll do anything he'd do as town as scum including acting like an ass. I don't have a super strong read on him that I can make a town case on him, but I feel about as strong about the read on him as I did in the last game (where I was tracker and was trying to decouple him and scumdred). The thing that really makes me think he's town isn't just his outburst around the Farah thing; more importantly it's how he comes back to it later on. The bounce back on was really, really towny I think. It's this, "I want to fuck people over and I don't want to fuck people over" dissonance that I don't think he can really fake as mafia.
Scott 4.5/7--He's still null-ish. This seems kinda funny, but I don't really get the sense that anyone is trying to shield or direct votes towards him. Trfel iirc was the first to sorta toss a vote his way and it didn't seem bussy for cred or protecty for Moosy. It feels a bit TvT on the lynch and his catching up post about ~p30 (or around that area) kinda had similar thoughts to where I thought I was when I was catching up.
Shining 5.5/7--I could be wrong on him; it's not just the fact that he's quoting in every post or thereabouts. He's no over explainy which he does as mafia. He's not really disconnected from the thread. He's had a good thought or two. Meta fits which is enough for now.
##Vote: Breshke--Breshke has 2 posts that I semi-like. The problem being that they say things that are easy to say and don't really add anything. The problem that I have with Breshke is that when he's town his posts bounce off the thread and interact with the thread. By this, I don't mean Breshke asks things to people and stuff. Rather, he'll see a thought or something in the thread that spurns a new thought, a new direction. It's as if he reads something and it gets put together with something else to form something slightly old mixed with something new. There's also the fact that in general, he's asking far more isolated questions of people than I remember him doing; especially when he drops them as if he doesn't care about them.
So...
Moosy: Agree that his bounce back was rather townish.
Scott: I still don't like his filter very much. But my gut doesn't agree with lynching him... and you are right, this thread is awfully quiet. Also in the game we lynched Scott D1 he basically just gave up and rolled over. This time he is at least trying to catch up...
The Shining: I think I posted before that I am okay with giving him one Day, but he has to put in a lot of work D2.
Hmm... Breshke... tbh he is a bit under the radar for me... filter diving him now.
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On November 18 2015 02:50 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Actually I have rethought my position on breshke.
##Vote Breshke
There were two or so moments when something struck me as odd reading the filter, both were interactions between breshke and his supposed scum reads in FF (who he said he would lynch) and then moos.
In both situations previously says he scum reads them but asks them questions and has no follow up on those questions and even if the person retorts or responds in a town sort of way he just puts them back in the ignore pile. No real explanation of the progress over eliminating FF (who was breshkes scum read earlier but said his filter wasn't that bad earlier than that) eliminating VE and some of the others. Just settling on the target of moos.
When did breshke eliminate FF as a target? Last mention of his read on FF is imo:
On November 17 2015 09:25 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2015 09:16 Trfel wrote:
Breshke, who are your scumreads right now?
If you'd like to wait for FarahBlackwing to answer first, that's fine. It's mostly less active people. Something is wrong about mooseys outburst like he HAS rolled scum here before he makes it sound like he never has. He also entered a game where its more likely to roll town than mafia and is having a tantrum that he got the more likely option. Also in the game he was mafia he overreacted to rayn dying (not being saved by the doctor) which was obviously fake and this feels a lot like that. So i don't think anyone should be giving him a pass for having a cry. FF still being lazy so would lynch.Scott aswell. I don't think it is out of the ordinary for scott to not be around for large portions of some phases but when he is around he usually has a big thought dump. He didn't attempt anything like that this game which feels scummy from him. He is lean scum but I wouldn't lynch him over moosey or fecal at this stage. I also am waiting for VE to be around again.
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On November 18 2015 03:00 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2015 02:50 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Actually I have rethought my position on breshke.
##Vote Breshke
There were two or so moments when something struck me as odd reading the filter, both were interactions between breshke and his supposed scum reads in FF (who he said he would lynch) and then moos.
In both situations previously says he scum reads them but asks them questions and has no follow up on those questions and even if the person retorts or responds in a town sort of way he just puts them back in the ignore pile. No real explanation of the progress over eliminating FF (who was breshkes scum read earlier but said his filter wasn't that bad earlier than that) eliminating VE and some of the others. Just settling on the target of moos. When did breshke eliminate FF as a target? Last mention of his read on FF is imo: Show nested quote +On November 17 2015 09:25 Breshke wrote:On November 17 2015 09:16 Trfel wrote:
Breshke, who are your scumreads right now?
If you'd like to wait for FarahBlackwing to answer first, that's fine. It's mostly less active people. Something is wrong about mooseys outburst like he HAS rolled scum here before he makes it sound like he never has. He also entered a game where its more likely to roll town than mafia and is having a tantrum that he got the more likely option. Also in the game he was mafia he overreacted to rayn dying (not being saved by the doctor) which was obviously fake and this feels a lot like that. So i don't think anyone should be giving him a pass for having a cry. FF still being lazy so would lynch.Scott aswell. I don't think it is out of the ordinary for scott to not be around for large portions of some phases but when he is around he usually has a big thought dump. He didn't attempt anything like that this game which feels scummy from him. He is lean scum but I wouldn't lynch him over moosey or fecal at this stage. I also am waiting for VE to be around again.
Which FF answered the next page...
No comment from Breshke...
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On November 18 2015 03:03 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2015 03:00 disformation wrote:On November 18 2015 02:50 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Actually I have rethought my position on breshke.
##Vote Breshke
There were two or so moments when something struck me as odd reading the filter, both were interactions between breshke and his supposed scum reads in FF (who he said he would lynch) and then moos.
In both situations previously says he scum reads them but asks them questions and has no follow up on those questions and even if the person retorts or responds in a town sort of way he just puts them back in the ignore pile. No real explanation of the progress over eliminating FF (who was breshkes scum read earlier but said his filter wasn't that bad earlier than that) eliminating VE and some of the others. Just settling on the target of moos. When did breshke eliminate FF as a target? Last mention of his read on FF is imo: On November 17 2015 09:25 Breshke wrote:On November 17 2015 09:16 Trfel wrote:
Breshke, who are your scumreads right now?
If you'd like to wait for FarahBlackwing to answer first, that's fine. It's mostly less active people. Something is wrong about mooseys outburst like he HAS rolled scum here before he makes it sound like he never has. He also entered a game where its more likely to roll town than mafia and is having a tantrum that he got the more likely option. Also in the game he was mafia he overreacted to rayn dying (not being saved by the doctor) which was obviously fake and this feels a lot like that. So i don't think anyone should be giving him a pass for having a cry. FF still being lazy so would lynch.Scott aswell. I don't think it is out of the ordinary for scott to not be around for large portions of some phases but when he is around he usually has a big thought dump. He didn't attempt anything like that this game which feels scummy from him. He is lean scum but I wouldn't lynch him over moosey or fecal at this stage. I also am waiting for VE to be around again. Which FF answered the next page... No comment from Breshke...
Shit. I really need to get into the habit of drawing conclusions.
Was skimming Breshke's filter and didn't get too suspicious. Taking a closer look at stuff like this raises some red flags. Will look more closely, if I find more of this I might find it in me to vote for him.
I have played 1-2 games with breshke but I found him to be rather unmemorable, which probably means I didn't have enough interactions with him, which will make it hard for me to compare this to his normal game.
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