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I'm town and ready to hunt some scum. Just a reminder our goal isn't to live, its to hunt scum even if it costs us our lives in the process. | ||
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 being a cop in my last game was really fun tho | ||
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On October 18 2015 05:20 GlowingBear wrote: How many games have you played before? This is like my 3rd I think, First game I got lynched on day 1 as VT, second game I was cop and checked positive 2p eople and won it for us, 3rd I had to drop out of after half a day | ||
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On October 18 2015 05:26 MoosyDoosy wrote: I'm gonna look so much like town from this I'll carry the team for us GB. wow your early game strategy is great, i dont see how it will fail | ||
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On October 18 2015 05:28 MoosyDoosy wrote: I'm going to bus you D2 so just wait bb. I love public transportation, can we subway it instead? They are faster. | ||
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On October 18 2015 05:34 The Shining wrote: K i might want to lynch you. I am the shiny town here, good sir, why do you want to be like me? Because you are scum! Hey man there are a lot of shiny stars in the sky, u can't be the only one out there. | ||
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On October 18 2015 05:36 MoosyDoosy wrote: I am bored. And i am trying to decide on a meta for this game. Should I go for the rayn townie that catches scum by looking back in the thread for inconsistencies and through hard questioning? Should I go for the rsoul townie that catches scum through relentless posts and tone reads? Or should I just go my idgaf mode and not care the whole game. mmm...choices choices choices why not just use both styles at the same time and be a super scum hunter | ||
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On October 18 2015 05:44 MoosyDoosy wrote: I plan to spam so hard you won't be able to read me. Don't you want to be read as a townie though? | ||
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On October 18 2015 05:58 GlowingBear wrote: There is no such thing as "deciding a meta". You play to win and that's all. Von-guy, what do you think of Moosy here? For the most part I think he is fine, posting a lot early d1 is fine especially when not everyone has posted yet. Only thing I don't like is this Not really caring about reading town? Doesn't sound right to me, but other than this post I don't have any problems with him. Anyways I'm playing League, will try to post in-between queues and will be more active later tonight | ||
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On October 18 2015 08:50 The Shining wrote: Because I'm bored and no one is doing anything and half the game hasn't shown up. And I've been known to take things super seriously so I'm trying to break out of that and be lax this game. So are you scum? Because that sounds like TMI. How would you know that it's actual townies that are doing the shitposting and causing chaos? I was implying the people shitposting are being scummy since I don't understand why towns people would do it this much since its not beneficial to the town, not saying they are just towns people who are shitposting. I understand some people starting off the game carefree and having fun but some posts are just useless shitposts | ||
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Town: Scott-No shitposts, most of his posts are good questions Farah- Not much to read on but I've like what I've seen so far Glowingbear-Besides some of the banter with Moosy his posts look pro town to me, raising good points and asking good questions especially to myself Shining - See no problems with his filter cept he went with the funny opening for too long Boxer- Not much for me to go on, asked Mooser to stop shitposting was nice but I feel like the limited time thing is an excuse I have seen scum use often. More of a null read but 2 lazy to make a category just for him since he is the only one besides the 4 who haven't posted Scum Mooser- Lots of shitposting and spamming posts without any substance. This post still bothers me, even if you are town and want to spam non stop you still should care about looking town which makes things easier for the rest of us Fecalfeast - His first post was not a good way to start imo, second one doesn't tell me anything earlier though I do have some sympathy for the allergies. Kelseir - His posts were all fluff and negative for the most part Anyways its bed time | ||
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On October 20 2015 01:45 Rels wrote: We should lynch Vonthin or Shining if they are still useless in a few hours. Almost done reading the thread and everyones filter while writing up my reads on everyone | ||
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Moosy- Slight scum read, I didn't like his opening spam shitpost crap, and some of the reason Rels brought up after I made my post the other night. He has some posts though where I can see town motivation but the useless posts outweigh them for me. LoneMeow- I think he is town, I see clear motivation behind the things he is doing trying to get reads on people. Sicklurker-Leaning slight scum on him, lots of fluff in his filter, I don't understand his Lonemeow vote, I don't see anything to go on besides him not posting a lot to make him scum. On October 19 2015 22:44 sicklucker wrote: like he starts with scott "easy town read" then he follows up on the next guy "not much to read on" like you could have used that on scott lol. Then he just lists the two easy people as scum Never said lol ez town read or that he was my top read just because I typed his read first in the list., He was just under my list for people who I thought were town for the time. I liked the posts he made and he had no fluff. My strongest town read at the time I made that list was GB. He seemed to made his opinions of me without reading my posts then read them and changed them after someone called him out on his and read them. GB- Still town, I don't see any scum motivation behind his posts. Boxer-- Null still, I understand his reasoning behind his cases but I don't agree with most of them. Has some fluff here and there and his posts/opinions vary so I don't really understand him. Scott-Besides not posting a lot, his posts still read town to me. I understand lynching for inactivity though. Rels- I think he is town, I like most of his posts up un till his recent ones with his case against Lonemeow which I think is a pretty weak case for day1. Farah--Town, Clear town motivation behind her posts, no fluff. Her case against Ever is clear and thought out and makes sense. Ever-- The big thing that leaps out to me in his filter is the big post with all the quote about his case against KSC, was a big jumbled mess and a somewhat weak case. His thoughts are all over the place in the start but It could just be him being new and reacting to the posts he sees. Shining- I think he is town, I like his posts and arguments, has some things I don't like but the things I like outweigh the ones I don't. KSC - He started off looking scum to me but he started to look town since the last day. I like his reads and questions since he stopped posting fluff and being so negative at the start Fecal- Seems scummy, posts seem half assed which shit reads that doesn't give any explanations. Not enough to go on for a Day 1 lynch. Would Lynch: Lurker, Ever, Moosy Needs more posts/convincing: Fecal If anyone has specific questions for me hit me up fast since I have to go to my afternoon classes soon. | ||
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On October 20 2015 02:03 Rels wrote: Man this was such a nice trap. So great I did it without realizing it =D I am honestly just slow at reading and getting my opinions together, not trying to trap you. Also had to prep for class and make/eating lunch | ||
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As for liking Meow I don't see any scum motivation behind the posts. I understand the logic behind them and what he was trying to accomplish by trying to get reads on people and to trap BF that one time, I just don't see mafia doing that D1. As for Scott I don't think he was trying to scum up the thread at all in his posts, I don't think being lynched for inactivity day 1(unless they didn't post at all or vote but they would get mod killed anyways) isn't worth it because if they get lynched it doesn't give us much info to go on depending on the result since he has given us so little information which would give the scum an advantage and it would be like playing day 1 all over again unless we get lucky and he is actually scum. Day 2 he does the same thing then you can go for him. Anyways I'm off for class, not sure I will be back before deadline so my vote will be for Ever ##Vote: Eversince | ||
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How do you read Shining as town? Why is that? I'd scumlean him. Also, how do you understand my reasong if even I say that the reasoning of MD is bullshit? How can you townread scott based that his posts were absurd (as Rels and me pointed out)? Scumlean for you. Besides the fluff posts in his filter he has been doing a lot of things I have liked. He has a lot of solid reads I have liked and agreed with like his one on Eversince. He has brought up some good points and has asked good questions like in the post where he called you out for skimming over the thread and how in the post you had way too much conflicting points in it. Besides his emotional/flufy start his feed overall looks towny and beneficial to the town overall. As for your second question asking about me understanding your reasoning, If you think your own case was bullshit why post it in the first place? Wouldn't a bullshit case be something Mafia would post to distract the thread in useless arguments? I really don't think it was that bullshit though since him being so spammy had little benefit to the game at the time you made your case. This is just you making conflicting points that Shining pointed out. As for Scott I didn't think they were bad enough to lynch him. His posts weren’t shitposts at the time which was a nice breath of fresh air at the time with all the other posts from Moosy and others. He asked some questions trying to get reads on people. I probably should've listed as null at the time with the amount of posts he had but his posts didn't look scummy to me so I had him under my town list. | ||
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Town Rels- I thought he might be scum for pushing Scott so hard but I don't think he is lying with his Vig role claim especially as he is tryharding even with the bad push on Scott. GlowingBear - Has been spot on imo with his town play all game. Always has good questions and leads and has done a good job leading the town in general. Only things I don't like in his filter is when he says I'm voting Scott because not voting for the 2 main bandwagons is a waste of a vote then proceeds to unvote from the bandwagon. Shining - Same reasons I listed in my above post, I don't see him being scum with his filter. Farah - Her Day1 case on Ever was solid. The Day 2 cases and reads are logical from a towns perspective. I don't understand why she would say something like "this lynch is the easiest one for today" or this is the second easiest when she hasn't even read everyone's filter and made cases for the rest? Scum Fecal- Like I mentioned in my above post majority of his filter are just oneliners. He just says this person is scum or this person is town and doesn't even explain why. I just woke up and skimmed the new posts. ##unvote ##vote scott31337 seems fine to me if nobody else sees how scummy vonthin is He never says in his filter why he thinks Scott is scummy besides just having his name under his list. Voting for someone after skimming posts and not even saying why he voted that person not even the "lol im sheeping X" is just plain scummy. Boxer- Lots of big long confusing posts that are all over the place that should've been separated into multiple posts. He makes a case against Moosy then later says it was a bullshit case? Why post it in the first place? Besides his case against Moosy(which he pushes even after calling it BS) he seems to be all over the place with what he is pushing, looks like scum trying to spread chaos to me. Also why ever say "I just scimmed the posts" and then make an opinion, this just gives you plausable deniability when you miss something that could make you look scummy. You always want to post when you have all the information. Ever- Starts off be coming into the thread spreading some shit and trying to make some easy pushes without much strength behind her. Then she just tries to defend herself with excuses for most of her filter. If you are about to get lynched one of the best things u can do is to is try to make solid reads and cases on people so incase you do actually die it will be way easier for us to find the scum if you flip town.She finally started making reads and stuff at the end of her filter which is good though. Slight scum lean for now. Null Moosy - Not too sure about him. He started out scummy with his spam and useless posts but later he starts to have a lot of good posts that I like and will bring up some good points. Wouldn't be surprised no matter how he flipped at this point. SL- Not too sure about him. Before the roleclaim he has looked real scummy for me. Him falsly roleclaiming can mean 3 things for me 1.He has retarded town play 2.He is mafia doing this to look town 3.He is a veteran trying to soak a bullet. I am leaning towards 1 or 3 but can't count out 2 with the rest of his filter. Strongest scum read is Fecal atm sooooo ##Vote Fecalfeast | ||
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So now that you are starting to get called out for your shit filter you actually start to play the game somewhat seriously and start to explain your cases by posting more than 1 sentence. Interesting. Also dropping my vote so fast by just looking at my last 2 games is a little weird, I mean people generally get better at the game more they play so won't their filters will be different? You noted the difference between game 1 and 2 but are content with my "shit filter" after seeing game 2 and this game are similar? Judging me town by comparing this game to a game that's from 2 years ago doesn't seem a good enough reason to drop your case on me. Feels pretty scummy to switch your cases so fast based off just this. I would like you to do what you do for this post for GB for everyone you think might be scum including myself since you thought my filter was scummy before. Anyways I said he was doing a good job leading town cause his posts most of the time controlled the flow of the game, he raises good points most of the time which leads to good discussions around them. As for 3 town being dead, 1 was from people tunneling the guy with hardly any posts and GB did try to talk people out of it by giving us other cases but not enough people listened. One was by a bad Vig Shot not really his fault there and the last one was the mafia nk which was unpreventable. Not really sure how you can blame him here. Just because a person did one thing that makes them look scummy doesn't make them insta scum. I mean looking at everyone's filters almost everyone has done at least one thing that makes them look scummy in my opinion. Also in the end he changed his vote to one of the bandwagons in the end after he couldn't get enough people to switch. I would like GB to clarify the dropping of his SL vote to Ever though, While I think that Ever was the best case for Day1 I don't understand him unvoting SL when he was quoting a FF post voting for someone? I will give you the drunk posts though, they don't look that great imo as gut feelings are never a good thing to base things on especially drunk ones. | ||
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On October 21 2015 12:34 sicklucker wrote: If we have a cop and you didnt already eversince is the most important flip for vote logic d1 I can't understand the grammar in this sentence. Are you saying the cop should read Ever then roleclaim and tell us the result? Or are you saying that they should've read Ever last night if they didn't. Anyways Cops should never roleclaim so early imo even if they get a right read the first night | ||
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On October 18 2015 05:45 The Shining wrote: Town Moosy was very self-conscious of spam last game. Why the change? Good question that I think a town would ask. I can see where you're coming from with Moosy but why do you think GB is spamming? If anything, I'm more guilty of it than he is. And what is so bad about rolling VT? To some people, its the best role in the game. I mean, would you rather have rolled scum? I'm not really sure where the disappointment is coming from. Another good question This entrance is weak. Scott doesn't comment on anyone else except a slight townlean on GB(who is asking people about Moosy, the only other player mentioned here). He distances himself from his first thought in saying Moosy he's pushing the fact that he's town a little hard but its "just a thought." Then he picks on an obvious joke vote and conversation between GB and Moosy to slight town GB and suspect Moosy? Why is GB slight townlean? Flesh that out for me I mean, was that not obvious enough? Thats what I got when I read it. Did you actually read the context, Scott? Or did you just see the vote? Here I see a towny trying to get a better read of Scott who barely posted anything On October 18 2015 08:50 The Shining wrote: Because I'm bored and no one is doing anything and half the game hasn't shown up. And I've been known to take things super seriously so I'm trying to break out of that and be lax this game. So are you scum? Because that sounds like TMI. How would you know that it's actual townies that are doing the shitposting and causing chaos? On October 18 2015 11:20 The Shining wrote: @Vonthin if that's the case can you be more specific? Instead of being indirect, point out those that look scummy because of shitposting please. Examples would be helpful. Here he is trying to get more information out of me so he can get a better read on me, if he was scum I would feel he wouldn't try to get more info from me and instead just throw some shit at my previous posts. And yay GB is trying to get the game started. Let's see... I agree with the Farah read. I agree that that question would've been better off in the scumQT if she rolled scum and it is a WIFOM argument but the timing of it seemed genuinely curious and not holding back in her questioning of Moosy and GBs jokes is another town point. As far as the tunneling goes, keeping in mind she's a newer player, I could understand the hesitance to look more broadly because she's being asked to do so by GB, who she suspected could be scum. I wouldn't want to cooperate with someone I think is scum, either. Sigh. My openings are always horrendous, especially in town games. Thanks for noticing. The joke phase isn't something I've ever really been apart of and not something I'm a huge fan of, but seeing as how it was the only thing going on, I didn't want to just sit around and not post. I find it a little odd, though, that you pick on my horrendous opening but then find my Scott post very okay. I guess it makes sense if you still have me at null, though. Moosy is pretty null to me right now. His banter is NAI to me and the picking a meta talk seemed like it was just more of him trying to keep the joke phase up but the longer he does things like that without actually scum hunting, the more I'll suspect him. I didn't like the threatening to not care, either, but knowing he has double bussed to win a game before(meaning he cared enough to do so) makes it NAI, as well. Not sure about Kels, either. You might be right but before I go into it, I'd like to know if he was actually serious about that post. Kelsier can you answer this for me? I'd like Vonthin to answer what I asked, too, before I go too in-depth on him but from what I've seen so far, he could just be frustrated town not knowing how to deal with a slow day start. Overall I'd give GB a slight townlean just for making this post and trying to push discussion, as I agree with a few things in the post. GB what do you think of boxerfreds entrance? Why wasn't he included in your list? Here we have a good read on Farah, good read for Moosy at the time, and then asks Kelsier and GB questions to get better reads on them and more information out there which is always beneficial to town. The more information on peoples reads = easier to catch scum Honestly, outside of Rels admittedly good points RE: Scott, I don't really like his catch up posts. He starts off picking on my entrance(just like GB did) and then goes on to say GB might be Mafia. If so, why did he have the same train of thought as him? Then he asks SL for his thoughts on GB, meaning he wants to try and flesh out his scumread of GB. Then he picks on another of my posts which is whatever because I know I always play weird D1s but considering I was looking for Vonthins reaction to that post, I don't like him painting a narrative of me being in a scum mentality. Especially since we rolled scum together recently and he should know that isn't my style. Then he follows up with GB is probably town for his tryhard post. After saying he might be Mafia, and trying to flesh it out with SL, he says he is town off of one post and leaves it alone. Even goes so far as to make a lynch list including myself on it and throws GB on the town list, then asks GB what he thinks of SL? Why is he trying to throw these two against each other instead of asking anyone else? And he completely abandoned his scumread on GB to accept him as town with no interaction, just a post he saw. Brings up good points about Rels, who I thought was scummy at that time before his claim that he was vig. Ew. You know, when you admit to just skimming the thread, my eyes kind of glaze over when reading a WoT like this. Like if you're just skimming, how am I supposed to look at this as anything other than just fluffing up the thread and your filter? I'm not sure I believe boxer is genuine here in his anger at supposedly rolling VT. The bit about getting SL banned is a pointless bit of information and NAI. And there isn't really a way to verify whether boxer actually enjoys rolling scum more. I do agree with his read on Kelsier because he pretty much just rolled over and died/conceded N1 as scum last game but his Moosy read is just weird. Too much conflicting talk. He could be scum or town. Some fluff about gut vs brain. And then he's back to me. So he's jumping around oddly in that post. Of course if I'm the only one in thread with GB, and I used to play SC2, I'm not just gonna be a douche and ignore him. I also said at the beginning of the game that I'm trying out a more lax approach because normally I just yell at everyone. So me bantering should be NAI. It's also pretty damn weird that he'd say I'm asking very specific questions to people but pretending to be constructive. And then back to Moosy. So he went Shining, Moosy, Shining, Moosy all in one post. The two people who have either questioned him or scummed him. And how can their behavior be tying them together if, like Moosy pointed out, you also said one can be scum but not the other? Then chances are they at both town but you don't think so? So you're saying they're tied together, then only one scum, then possibly both town but you don't think so? If you don't think so, and Moosy is your top scumread, why even mention that it's possible that they could be both town? One of my favorite posts of his, brings up good points on Boxer being scum which I agree with 100% Majority of the rest of his filter is just calling out ES for being scum and most of his thoughts and questions to her are spot on and something a town would ask. He also doesn't have anything that jumps out to me and yells scum besides some of the fluff at the start of the game. | ||
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Moosy- Bunch of fluff all game, hardly any scum reading. Says shit like he is disinterested and would call doc to add to the chaos. Boxer/Ever- Same reasons as before SL- Filter still reads scum to me, don't care if people say thats how he played town in his last games. His roleclaim still confuses me as its either just him being retarded or him being scum to make him look town. FF- Still don't like his filter, it has gotten better though since my post and vote on him. ##unvote | ||
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##vote MoosyDoosy Rels besides my inactivity is there any reasons why you think I am scum this game? | ||
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Sheeping Rel's team? You have thought my filter has been scummy day 1 when no one else has commented and voted for me twice. You also said my filter was still scummy looking even after the meta read and this was before you said Rels scum team looked nice | ||
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On October 23 2015 03:35 boxerfred wrote: Lol I vote Fecal for being inactive and now he's active as shit. Should catch up completely instead of writing new posts. Yeah this is shit, this isn't the first time you have posted and made reads without reading everything which in the end just mucks up the thread and makes you look scummier. | ||
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On October 23 2015 03:55 sicklucker wrote: Lets lynch farah lol Why do you want to lynch her besides not posting recently | ||
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Anyways thats not a good enough reason when we have MD and FF cases which are much better | ||
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On October 23 2015 04:40 sicklucker wrote: Vonthin is just here I dont know one of his reads what read | ||
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Yeah I'm not going to be super active tommorow or the weekend. So if you want to lynch me todays the day. Anyway I don't feel much like reading the game so I'll just go play some other games and come back when I'm motivated. | ||
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On October 23 2015 05:01 Rels wrote: why did he fucking post that. It's the reason everybody stayed on him Him sayin he would claim doctor to cause more chaos for town didn't help either, he didn't try at all to defend himself at all | ||
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On October 23 2015 05:02 Rels wrote: Vonthin is scum then. At least that's one people. Why am I scum then he was the best case and none of the other people I thought was scum had a chance of being lynched. | ||
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Except that is plain bullshit because I already started to townlean moosy at the start of D2. I see none of this in your filter until you unvoted him, I only see that he was a second tier lynch in one post then you initially voted for him later. Why would you put him in a possible scum/lynch list and then vote for him in the first place if you thought he was town? Anyways im off to my last class for the week. | ||
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On October 24 2015 02:15 Rels wrote: Did you ever play mafia, or a lying game similar, together ? If not, there is no explanation for that "Fara should read me based off my posting style". If "Fara should read me based off my posting style" is not a good explanation than isn't every meta read from older games not an explanation either then? I don't think Shining is scum still, I think there is a good chance for Farah though. Boxer/Farah and not sure on last one for scum team | ||
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Farah filter tunnels Es for 2 days, hasn't done anything else, dodges and shots disinterest when we don't talk about ES One of these 2 is 100% scum, can't be scum together | ||
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On October 24 2015 02:24 Rels wrote: Fara never played with Shining. Fara never played a single game before this one. What are you talking about She can still read Shinings old games and also knowing his personality, its considered a meta read. People have meta read me and I havn't played a single game with you guys | ||
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On October 24 2015 02:37 sicklucker wrote: But she didnt do that. no one meta read you... I dont think you know what a meta read is. were just straight up reading you FF meta read me awhile back, then he asked Boxer to meta read me but he just ignored the question and ended up pushing for a FF lynch | ||
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On October 24 2015 07:03 FarahBlackwing wrote: Explain why I'm scum rels. Onto Vont however it is interesting how he town reads me the entirety of the game and points to the myriad of reads and good thought process. But when people start suspecting me he flips and says I'm very possible scum for not doing much totally contradicting the aforementioned town read. And then when pressed about my read on Shining soft defends me that I can have that read. If I'm scum it won't be a net a read will be a to much information read. ##vote Vonthin Wow didn't know that If I started to read someone as town then they do scummy things I can't switch my opinion on them. You started off looking town by pushing the ES case which was solid but since then you have been doing less and less and just mainly tunneling on ES when you do something. After you realize ES isn't getting lynched you show disinterest and just do things like vote Moosy but don't say why besides that you hope he is scum. Then you have been dodging SL questions which he has asked you 7 times(I would still like you to answer it even with him dead as it is a good question). On top of all the posts that have been clogging up the thread with the you being able to read Shining thing which you could've ended in 1 fucking post explaining in depth why you can read him instead of just dragging it out. Anyways I don't want to lynch you today because I think ES looks just as bad as you imo and there is no way you guys are scum-mates so killing you would be a 50/50 of us losing if we choose poorly. Also I am slightly leaning towards ES being scum between you 2 because of the point I make in the next paragraph. Also if I was scum why would I kill SL when I was one of his main scum reads especially right before he just got shot, it would make me looks really bad. When no scum have been caught yet why would they kill someone that points right at them especially when there is a confirmed townie still alive unless they want people to think myself/shining/farah is scum so it will be an easy mislynch for them to win the game. Boxer has been flying under the radar for so long, same with GB as he as mainly just been sheeping Rels, going to look into GB's filter more later. Just look at Boxers filter and look at the points I made about the Moosy/FF voting and then his stupid post about how he thinks he would get NK'd when a confirmed townie is still in the game. If you guys think I am scum you need to be 100% on this and not just make a bandwagon because both KSC and SL thought I was scum. Read and analyze my filter and make a case on that. | ||
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Third scummate is either ES or Farah. Still learning towards ES as Farah is finally starting to scumhunt and not just defending herself and ES still really hasn't done anything worthwhile besides coming in and piling onto the Farah suspicions and just quoting a GB post saying she doesn't like it. Lynch Boxer/GB today and tomorrow, get more reads from Farah and ES to determine which one of them is scum. Win game. | ||
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Right now rereading ES filter again I am getting more inclined to think she is scum over you. Now that you are done defending yourself/arguing with Rels and others and are scum hunting is good but you are back to tunneling ES. If you can make some good cases for other people it will help me being sure on this as you could very well be possibly scum for tunneling all game on 1 towny trying to win the game with a push on her today. | ||
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Also I want to know the reasons why you think I am scum other than me thinking you might be scum after you did a lot of stupid shit which other people has also pointed out. | ||
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This reasoning in this post sounds like something a tunneling scum would say to keep tunneling On October 25 2015 05:19 FarahBlackwing wrote: No I am right on ES I won't case other people when we need to lynch the scum infront of us that we have ignored for three days. Fecal Feast ES response was that he could understand the case and thought it was ok reason to scum read him. let me find it real fast. The whole thing with you being able to read Shining you could've ended with one post instead you kept giving fragments of the reason why and it just derailed the thread for a bit. After that situation you finally answered Sl's question of why me and ES can't be on the same team. I missed it the first time around because it was so short for having a 180 on ES who you have been tunneling most of the game saying that she is town because me and SL cant be scummates.; On October 24 2015 03:20 FarahBlackwing wrote: Not answering, if you want the answer on that talk to damdred. obviously I didn't know terminology before I looked it up or I wouldn't have a reddit link available upon request. they aren't probably its you vont and someone else. You never say why you think I am scum and don't think ES is scum anymore?? That is why I thought there was a chance of you being scum at that point, then you vote for me because I said there is a chance of you being scum over ES. Then there is your posts after Rels voted you after bringing up some valid points anf BF added on somethings. On October 24 2015 23:32 FarahBlackwing wrote: ##unvote ##vote farahblackwing A few things before I die. 1) While I'm not the most experienced when it comes to poe to take a quote from damdred "While poe seems good its a trap that old players fall into and some newer players. Its built around the premise that we want to be lazy and not put work in past a point. Can't defend against it and ends up making you lose games lynching down a list". He laughs about it because he tries to poe games but yeah. 2) Next game you are in try not to tunnel people for such weak reasoning rels. You don't even try to answer the questions I posed of scum motivation in certain things I do. So as confirmed town you should feel bad. 3) It must be nice playing real newb games instead of this sham where we only have three newbies and people treat this like a normal and ignore them for the most part day one and onward until they want to lynch them. Good game and good bye On October 24 2015 23:47 FarahBlackwing wrote: Hey look more down talking to the newb poking fun at me using damdreds database I'm glad I won't play again after this. Yesterday you made it clear it was poe, and you in fact still are stuck on a poe of me and shining and you are trying to shape your ideas around that. I've given my reads or attempted to start converstions to give them but I don't feel like playing in a game where the inevitable end is staring me in the face while you the confirmed town ignore the other afks or people unwilling to so things instead focusing on the newb who tried this game. Rels scum mvp This is a huge overreaction over 1 vote on you and 1 other person chiming in saying you have been starting to look scummy especially since they had valid reasons to why to think you could be scum. A reaction this big is either a noob town shocked that someone called you out for being scummy when people were reading you town earlier or a scum just trying to make a big deal out of this shit to cause chaos. Then you continue to overreact on simple questions on Rels and keep defending yourself and telling Rels stuff like he can't have your reads. Then you go back to tunneling ES after the last time you mentioned she was town because me and SL are scummmates and me and ES cant be together. This is why I think GB and Boxer are the safer vote today because you have done stuff that makes me think you could be scum. Comparing filters to ES, ES looks scummier than yours especially when I chalk some of what you posted recently to being a noob and overreacting to much but the chances are still their and I think its better to kill Boxer/GB | ||
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On October 25 2015 11:37 The Shining wrote: Vonthins filter is super short, too. And I just noticed an oddity in his filter. Vonthin mentions multiple times that he thinks ES is his top scum multiple times and more likely to flip scum than Farrah. But he never actually votes ES past D1 and begins to go at it with Farrah, while it looks like he tries to convince Farrah she's scum. But his top scum ES is only going after Farrah and nothing else. So he thinks ES is more scummy? But Farrah could be, also? So he wants to take the "safe" route in GB/BF, after BF cases GB instead of trying to figure out their alignments. And he calls out Farrah for tunneling one townie all game and that's what makes her scummy. But ES only has the one scumread in Farrah. Inconsistency. And he calls the BF case a bus attempt even though it's highly unlikely scum is going to bus in lylo instead of going for the win. This guy is probably scum, too. Obviously I want to go the safe route when if we mislynch the wrong person we lose the game. I only started to go at it with Farah when she started to do some scummy things which brought up some doubts in my mind about ES. Look at the reasons I listed and look at her filter starting from last night and tell me there isn't a lot of posts that don't look scummy besides the tunneling which can be a strat for some scum too. The odds are definitely in ES's favor for being scum I would say 7 to 3 but I'm not willing to risk a 30% chance of losing the game when Boxer and GB are more likely to be scum. As for the GB/BF bus call, I don't see how its not a bad play for scum. Have 1 person bus when you still have 2 left try to get towncred by making a solid case even more solid to get the wagon rolling hard, hell GB even said that BF could be town after making the case on him and he thought BF was scummy before that. Also I don't know how I can be scum with ES just because I havn't voted for her since Day 1 and won't vote for her today because I think there is a small chance Farah could be scum instead. When the Day 1 wagons were equal I gave ES the go ahead vote and I have thought she has been scum since the start of the game. Farah herself said I can't be scum with ES On October 24 2015 03:17 sicklucker wrote: Farah whats your folder say on me. and how have you used this folder to reach your read that i am scum? also how can both vonthin and eversince be mafia? (for the 6th time im asking) On October 24 2015 03:20 FarahBlackwing wrote: Not answering, if you want the answer on that talk to damdred. obviously I didn't know terminology before I looked it up or I wouldn't have a reddit link available upon request. they aren't probably its you vont and someone else. I am voting for GB now, will switch if we can get enough Boxer votes if you guys want to vote for him instead #Vote GlowingBear | ||
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Also ES you have been just counter tunneling Farah the whole game so I don't know how you can say that lol Farahs point is correct about lynching the RB but I think the chances are just as good for GB to be the RB as ES | ||
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On October 26 2015 01:58 GlowingBear wrote: Dude if we MISLYNCH today the game is over I know that, what I am trying to say is that a real doctor would never claim like he did and that we shouldn't believe him and vote for FF. If BF was the real doctor he would just say silent and push for the easier scum cases like you or ES/Farah an try to save people at night | ||
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BF fake claim to protect GB and ES by him trying to make the discussion about FF and Farah and away from GB whose vote count was currently 4-2. Also GB the vote count was wrong, you probably would know that if you have read BFs post and filter especially since he is the main scum target right now. | ||
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On October 26 2015 04:19 GlowingBear wrote: Let me ask you guys a question. A nice one. If the setup is veteran and vigi, why does mafia shoot SL instead of Rels? SLs main scum reads were myself and Farah who are both town. Killing SL will give the scum more ammo to lynch us today so they can win the game. | ||
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On October 26 2015 04:27 FarahBlackwing wrote: Why am I town ow after you said I'm scum all day. Slip slip I have always said there is a chance of you being scum and that ES is more likely. You have done a lot today, ES has done nothing besides calling you out for tunneling. Also with BF bad claim, he has been focusing on you and FF being scum so I believe you are now 100% town | ||
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If GB was town why would he claim then? The vote was 4-2 in favor of GB over ES. If he was town why take the target off GB and put it on himself when scum could get an easy mislynch on him to end the game? It only makes sense to me to make this claim if GB is scum and possibly the RB and that BF wanted to take the bullet for him and try to give him town cred at the same time. I still don't see how the team is anything but BF/GB/ES still | ||
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On October 27 2015 02:55 GlowingBear wrote: OR we can't know his motivations since he could simply be going to the easy win without caring of who was going to be lynched at that moment. the easy win was not claiming though if you are town since majority of the game thought u were scum at that point | ||
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GB is still last scum member. I don't see Shining being scum over GB. Since the start of Day2 I have always thought Boxer was scum, always calling out all the scummy things he has done, If I was scummates with him why would I bring so much attention to him every chance I got when he did something that was scummy? I have also always thought ES was scum and almost got her killed Day 1 with a go ahead vote on here when the 2 bandwagons were equal, It was only a chance of Farah being scum instead of ES that was holding me back on voting her those days because she did some things I didn't like, now that she is dead there is no doubt in my mine she is scum especially with her not posting at all. As for GB being scum:
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GB--->BF + Show Spoiler + 1.Boxer makes awkward post that MD calls scummy On October 18 2015 06:14 boxerfred wrote: Actually no since I rolled VT just like I did in all of my last games ffs and I have moosy and gb spam up the thread although I said pregame that I'm on a limited schedule. actually no, I#m not happy. Proceeds to defend him. On October 18 2015 06:22 GlowingBear wrote: I see no problem in boxers post MD surprised he didn't have a problem with his post, GB proceeds to defend the post On October 18 2015 06:30 GlowingBear wrote: I really can't see clear scum morivation behind that post. I mean, he even said BEFORE the game started that he wouldn't have enough time to play anyway GB never replies as MD tries to inquire more about his read on this. 2.Questions BF about the tinfoiling, never pushes it further. On October 21 2015 05:42 GlowingBear wrote: But why do you suggest we tinfoil things???? I mean, it doesn't make sense 3.Calls a Boxer post shit, doesn't explain why its shit, doesn't talk about him again for awhile. 4. Calls him scum based on TMI on the Moosy lynch. Then never mentions him again till he says he might be town since he made a case on himself On October 23 2015 05:06 GlowingBear wrote: Boxerfred. TMI on Moosy being town but not really trying to shift the lynch. On October 25 2015 03:32 GlowingBear wrote: Rels I don't think farah is mafia by the way. Voting me would be the path of least resistance. Instead she is trying to push Vonthin and this push seems okay. I also think boxerfred might be town for his effort into having me lynched. I really believe FF should be the lynch today. What do you think? 5.Votes Boxer after the claim saying you always lynch the 100% obvious scum. Then he unvotes and votes FF after he finds an old FF post that makes him "believe" that BF and pushes for FF lynch hard. Once he sees that no one is gonna change to FF at the deadline he changes his vote back to boxer apologizing to him. BF-->GB + Show Spoiler + 1.His first time mentioning GB in the game On October 20 2015 23:19 boxerfred wrote: GB: "Rels's post is forced" Rels: "GB's post is forced" Scum having a field day. However Rels keeps himself to reasoning while GB spits out theories. Let's try to ask questions: - how does sicklucker/Eversince make sense? Why is that? I can't replicate that. - what exactly makes sicklucker scum if Rels is scum? Your ideas revolve around sicklucker who is (to me) the most unreadable guy in this game. 2.Them talking to each other about the SL/Rels claim On October 21 2015 05:31 boxerfred wrote: saw it now, when I started typing, thread was 2 pages before. I went from "vote him because I dont wanna be in lylo with that uncertainty" over to "wait, could rels be yolo'ing?" to "no wait, vig has one shot" and setup analysis which is bullshit because it has no use for town, scum roles are identical in each setup to - this. 3.BF mentions GB might be scum in this long post + Show Spoiler + On October 21 2015 19:52 boxerfred wrote: I like Vonthin's response to my questions, I dislike that he scumreads me. He's not the lynch for today though imho. Let me bring his scum read on me up: I think you refer to one big, seemingly confusing post only and this is a post that is built up quite logically: I caught up, and while I was catching up, I quoted posts that I deemed interesting. I even said that on top of that post. Go have a re-read of that post. Regarding my Moosy read: I contradicted myself in that read. I was wrong, that's about it. That's why I later said that it was bullshit. I also refrained from my Moosy scumread although it really bothers me that he's not around. So no, I have not continued pushing Moosy, you're misrepresenting the facts. However I still do not have a townread Moosy, although I liked his posts N1 a bit. Third, regarding the "I just skimmed" case - it was simply honest, sorry if that makes me look bad. Read into that whatever you want, I don't care. ____________ I'm wondering why Farah pushes a MD lynch since her case on ES was/is good. Why the preference now that MD apparently isn't here? Also why that townread on Shining? I don't get the "emotional" argument at all, one can fake his/her meta. Elaborate please. Then again, I wonder why Farah removes GB from her "remaining scum" list. I think your reads of shining and GB are really weak. I also dislike that Fecalfeast comes into the thread once he's under pressure. Why not do this before? Not interested to solve the game? If so, why not? I strongly think there's scum in between GB and FF, maybe MD but I don't have a solid case on that. I guess MD will break my neck the longer I survive in that game because I cannot tell if he's town or scum but I still have that scum feeling. I had the same fucking feeling in the game we played when he was scum and talked everyone into oblivion, however I was mislynched before being able to get him lynched. I actually have a good grasp on that game, SL and MD are the only ones I don't have at least a reasoned opinion on. That, among with my standing as a townread person, will probably get me shot soon. Well, some casualties cannot be prevented. Fecal as of now I don't have the time to really look at the games you mentioned towards me. Hold me at it, I'll try to do so this evening. The lynch should happen in between FF/GB/ES/Shining. I think those guys have the highest chance to flip scum. Second tier lynches are MD/SL(though GB scumreads him which actually makes me rethink that)/VonThin. Don't lynch: Farah. Never lynch: Rels, boxerfred. 4.Adds onto the case of GB day 3 and makes the bandwagon bigger pushes him a little. + Show Spoiler + On October 24 2015 22:36 boxerfred wrote: I want to hang GlowingBear. He was always under the radar. He wasn't too active at any point. The other arguments that were brought up were decent. And here's another thing that makes me think he's scum: He was the one who started the Moosy votes. After successfully lynching Moosy, shifting thread sentiment against me with the TMI argument, he says during night that he doesn't really care or something like that. As I said D2 already: a lynch between Farah and Eversince would've been a good idea. I strongly think that only one of them (most likely Eversince) is scum. But after Farah's weak EoD2 and the weird Shining/Farah interaction I'm not so sure of that anymore. I'm down to say that in a world where Farah or ES are scum, the chances are distributed like 70-30 or maybe even 60-40. GlowingBear in the meantime is the one who did nothing all the time. His D1 started with a "lol we're both scum" interaction with Moosy, a resemblance to their previous game. That already sent some townies on the wrong track. He also jumped to my defence when Moosy pushed me D1 which makes sense as scum but not as town. As town, you want to pressure people into getting more answers, especially low volume posters like me. As scum, you're fine to see people fight about lynches that do not target your fellow scum members, so of course you sometimes defend townies. GB pocketed me with that, I never really looked into him apart from my rather general thoughts during D2. This is an awesome answer. At that point, GB isn't ad hom to anyone, except to kelsier who starts scumreading him at this point. Why would GB defend me in a well-reasoned manner and then just answer to kelsier in that way? Only difference in those situations is that in a), I (town) am under attack and scum!GB is fine with whatever way the pressure goes while in b), GB (scum) is under attack and of course he doesn't want that to gain traction. Right? Next up, more fillers: Followed by a list post: ...which has kelsier as a scumread and, interestingly enough, Farah as a townread. The same Farah that actually removed GB for weak arguments from her "pool of potential scum" D2: This whole post is scummy for the following reasons: a) townread D1 by GB, Farah removes GB for "well he tried a bit to hunt scum" reasons from her scum pool. b) "scum has little motivation to jump on and off if Scott is scum" - that's a town alignment argument from Farah towards GB. However GB uses the same argument but reconstructs it as a TMI to push me because I jumped off MoosyDoosy and on FF. To me it's pretty clear that GB and Farah are 2/3 scum members together. Sicklucker also started townreading Eversince so at this point I'm pretty sure we have bad town Eversince and scum!Farah. My best bet would be a GB/Farah/Shining scumteam because of some tinfoilhatty "they know themselves outside in RL" and because I think since D2 that Shining is a bad player. Also, in GB's list post D1, he soft-bussed already on Shining, saying that he had a horrendous entry to the game. GB is definitely capable of doing that simply to be able to stay under the radar as soon as anything against his scummate Shining gains traction. ##vote GlowingBear 5. Then we have the claim, still thinks GB is scum in the claim post + Show Spoiler + On October 25 2015 18:16 boxerfred wrote: GB is totally scum with Farah. Initially I thought that her conversation with Rels is legit. She looked frustrated up to the point where she voted herself. Then she went into "no not playing here" and "yo everybody is dumb" - sorry, no, no, no! This simply is not legit anymore. She's "contributing" (i.e. martyring into ES push). I said since D2 that it's either ES or Farah and contrary to Farah, ES actually participated in the game and did not martyr at any point. He's way more legit than Farah is although Farah (maybe due to the fact she's a native speaker) is way better at communicating her arguments. I was sure and still am that there is one scum between ES and Farah and the moosy lynch should've been the decision between Farah and ES, I know that now. Right now, Farah uses the town cred she got from a D1 case to re-jump on ES. Note how she didn't care at all(!!!!!!) when the lynch was on Moosy and not on ES. But right now where GB is under pressure, she gets in a hardcore fight with Rels and continues to push ES! No way! And thanks FF for claiming. I know I'm not supposed to counterclaim but - FF isn't the vet. He is scum trying to get the real doctor to counterclaim. The setup is Vig, Town, RB/GF/Goon. I am doctor, I softened it two times already: Both bolded parts mention the fact that Doctor cannot heal himself. The scumteam consists of FF/GB/Farah and that's it. FF is the 100% lynch, he's scum willing to exchange to the Doctor. I'm counterclaiming because I feel like we're fucking close to mislynching ES (NOTE THAT SICKLUCKER ALSO SAID ES IS TOWN BEFORE HE DIED BUT HAD CONCERNS TOWARDS FARAH!!!!) ##unvote ##vote FecalFeast safest call here 6. Backtracks on GB a little after saying he was 100% scum just before the claim and just saying he was scum in one of his recent posts On October 26 2015 01:48 boxerfred wrote: Except I cannot know if GB is scum and as I said in my previous post, I can even see Vonthin being the last scum since he jumps on me that easily. What makes you even so sure that FF claiming is correct and my claim is false? You cannot be sure except if you're scum. then you'd know my claim is correct. i don't know why you don't vote me straight away, it doesn't make sense at all. newbie scum not willing to commit in case a fellow scum member (ff) gets mislynched, obviously. 7. BF/GB/Farah argue for a bit, call each other scum. GB asks him why he didn't vote for FF, he did but there was a error in the recent vote post. After it was clarified GB changes his vote to FF | ||
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On October 30 2015 08:34 GlowingBear wrote: I will solve the game. Atm I think last scum is Vonthin but I WILL analhse his filter and yours. You keep repeating that you solved the game or will solve it and that you will read mine and Shinings filters. Stop repeating yourself saying you are going to do something and just do it already. Here are the GB/ES interactions GB->ES + Show Spoiler + 1. Says he is voting for Scott and not ES since he has yet to read ES's post. Then says he has 2 pages of filler and that he is trying to play the game. Farah tells GB to vote for ES, he replies he doesn't have time to read the case and then later on votes for ES after his SL push fails and the scott wagon is secured with enough votes. Never actually says ES is scum or that he read the case. On October 20 2015 03:31 GlowingBear wrote: I actually won't be able to catch up, I have a lot to do. Skimmed a little bit. I'm not sure what to do with Kelsier's answers, it felt townie to me, but I find weird that he says there is at least one mafia between me, shining and moosy but never really pushes any of us effectively - instead, he goes against scott. But overall, his posts has town vibes in it. Scott came bad to the thread and I agree with the suspicions brought on him. I don't wish to lynch Eversince since I didn't read his posts. I don't think he is one to be lynched today due to activity, either. As my knowledge of this ongoing game is limited, I'd go against lurkers. I hate fecal feast/sicklucker wasting their votes. If one of them is mafia, both wagons are town. That said, I want to vote sicklucker for his lackluster push on LoneMeow. If people don't want to, I'd vote FF. Since I don't think Eversince should be lynched today, I am voting the alternate wagon that did a scummy think. ##unvote ##vote: Scott31337 BUT I PREFER TO LYNCH SICKLUCKER OR FECALFEAST FOR WASTING THEIR VOTES If people is willing to do so, let me know On October 20 2015 03:36 GlowingBear wrote: He has two pages filter and it looks to me that he is trying to play the game. 2. GB talking about how ES has disinterest on the BF claim, doesnt push it further than this. On October 22 2015 03:55 GlowingBear wrote: It's not about WHAT you said, it is about the initial disinterest you had on the claim. I mean, there was a claim AND a counter claim but instead of dropping any discussion you were having to give thoughts about it, you kept pushing Boxerfred. I would expect a townie to immediately react to the claims. Unless you know both their alignmebts, so it is disinteresting On October 22 2015 04:00 GlowingBear wrote: Rels counter claimed and voted sicklucker, dude. He immediately reacted to it 3. Cute banter between each other 4. Here he reads that ES isn't mafia after all the scummy shit ES did all game and even defending ES a little bit from Farah On October 26 2015 02:17 GlowingBear wrote: Listen. In my mind, the one very tired of this game, the scum team is Vonthin, Shining and Boxerfred. I have yet to believe Eversince is mafia. If he is mafia, then take out The Shining. I understand what you told me about Eversince being the Roleblocker and boxerfred sacrificing himself to protect him. But think of it this way: if you're madia and you have 3 of you alive, wouldn't you risk fake counter claiming so you can get an easy win? In this scenario, there is no "protection". Just a guy trying to win. If there is this possibility here, then the grounds to read Eversince as the roleblocker falls apart, don't you think? ES--->GB + Show Spoiler + Nothing about GB besides her replying to the stuff in the GB-ES listed above till the day of the BF claim untill she says she doesn't like 2 of GBs quotes then adds GB to the scum team with Farah On October 25 2015 02:36 Eversince wrote: I hate this quote too. I like Boxer's/ Rels points on Glowing too. But there is no reason for town to not want to put effort in here. If we don't, we lose. This is the last time she mentions GB in her filter. | ||
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On October 23 2015 05:03 GlowingBear wrote: The "play to win" isn't a rule anymore, I suppose Pretty Hypocritical of him there if he is town cause he is definitely not trying or playing to win. I will make a more indepth case like the post you made today with all the stuff I have already posted and more like some VCA. Also now that you made this case against me all GB is gonna do is sheep it and still not do any work and just skate and win the game. Also the fact that you are 100% positive that I'm scum when you said his filter looks just as scummy as mine and that he hasn't been trying is pretty laughable considering this is lylo. As for my 4 page filter and early game reads and lists being poor I don't have any more excuses, I just tried to do what I did in my last game but its been hard without being 100% sure about people with my cop reads. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/433102-newbie-mini-mafia-l?user=Vonthin is my last game for reference. Majority of your case are just overeading things since you have thought I was scum for a lot of the game and its clouding your judgement on GB. Also I wasn't the first to propose we lynch today, I was just the first person to vote for someone. GB said we shouldn't NL first and for good reasons. If we did NL then the confirmed town will just get shot since GB is the RB and it doesn't help at all. Plus why NL when I have solved the game for awhile now. Also Rels looked pretty sure that GB was mafia, he was just questioning someone else asking them if they really think me or you was scum and you misread it. Even if you think I am 100% scum please go do what you did with my case for GB, I don't see how you will think he is town with all the shit he has posted after you do it. | ||
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On October 31 2015 08:33 GlowingBear wrote: Vonthin: why is the shining town? Lots of evidence that you are scum + a filter that looks pro town. Also if he was scum I don't know why he would make that giant case against me. He could've just kept his vote on you and the game would be over for him with his victory if he was scum. Why have you thought he was scum all game long? | ||
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On October 31 2015 12:44 The Shining wrote: This post is so scummy, tho, especially coming from a newbie that's never played with me before. If you think it's laughable that I'm 100% that you're scum, the same applies to you being 100% on me being town. If you were town, after that case, you would be at least a tiny bit suspicious of me, since in a town's eyes, that would be the case that could lose you the game. But you're more concerned with trying to get me onto GB instead of clearing yourself. If I shouldn't be 100% scum on you, there is no way you should be 100% on the fact that I'm town after casing you. I'm very interested to see what you come up with with your in-depth post. The part about the last game is meh. You're so conscious of your meta and you just admitted to trying to do what you did last game. I never try to stick to what I did in last games, sans this large case to win in lylo. I just play the game and try to find scum. The effort to get me to metaread you as town just makes me more suspicious. The fact that you snap-voted also makes you look worse, Imo. Yes, GB suggested the NL was a bad idea first but wanted to analyze before just voting. You just voted to try to get GB to lead the vote or get to 2 first to win with the mislynch. And if you think GB is scum, you wouldn't be agreeing with him not wanting to NL for good reasons. It's also laughable to think you solved the game for a while now but let everyone else do the work until it came to GB. And for everything I typed up, its interesting you point out the piece about Rels to tell me I misread it. It's still a possibility that he was open to looking more in-depth into the game, which is why he asked about us. You couldn't risk letting him do so. But you're more aware of my point on the NK instead of any of your mindsets during your questionable activity. Fecal, GB, pls GB is scum. He has done nothing for most of the game. Lots of scummy shit. Minimal interactions with ES and Boxer. You casing me is why I am 100% on you, if you were scum you could just continue to go on GB and secure the easy win instead of splitting the focus between everyone. Also pushing for someone who is a better case is my defense cause you clearly arn't seeing how scummy GB is. You are so deadset on lynching me that you are going to let GB just say hey I will do this for you later and win the game. I didn't and still don't see a reason to NL today when GB is scum and we can end it now. Also I pushed for GB and Boxer(even before the claim) yesterday so I don't know how you can say everyone else did the work. ALSO WHY WOULD BOXER CLAIM IF GB WAS TOWN?!?!?! IT ONLY MAKES SENSE IF HE IS SCUM. anyways im going to bed now, lynch me if you want shining and enjoy losing the game. will do what you ask tomorrow FF, should be here around noon est | ||
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Vonthin
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GB does nothing for more than half the game, pushes things off and never delivers. 0 effort town not trying to win or he is scum. Pretty obvious here. Also GB all the stuff about the NKs you posted is pure WIFOM and you know it since you killed them to make me look worse. Also Shining your post makes 0 sense, why would he claim to discredit FF when people were still pushing for GB and going for him hard even after the FF claim, hell the FF claim made GB look worse since they have fought each other was scum for most of the game. BF claim was protecting GB otherwise there was still no reason to do it, most of the game thought FF was town before his claim since he started to finally play the game and acting like one, majority of the game thought Boxer was scum at that point so its obvious that more people were going to believe FF who claimed first + Boxers weak breadcrumbs. I've made my case for GB, vote for who you want, have to go do stuff to prepare for this evening. Don't think I will be around for the deadline. | ||
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it really seems he is struggling with the terrible start. I'm not sure what to think.
