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On October 22 2015 23:39 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 23:35 GlowingBear wrote:On October 22 2015 23:17 Rels wrote:
GB am I tunneling or is SL really similar to his mafia game and really different from his town game ? You could be right on SL. The thing is that he presented some townie posts in his filter that is giving me pause. There are better people to look after today IMO. If you want to see if you're TUNNELED, forget the claim and try to read SL coming from a townie perspective. See if it makes sense. It does. Except at EOD1. And I know SL is super strong at making seems like he's coming from a town perspective, I've played with him. At EOD1, he was playing his scum game, as demonstrated above.
I agree with you, Rels. And I find hard that drunk bear is wrong.
But look at Moosy doosy and FF. Especially what I just said. Don't you think they have scummier traits?
I mean, your strong scum read on him started with the counter claim. Before that, I presume you had a weaker read
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On October 22 2015 23:40 GlowingBear wrote:
I think your case is a little flawed because yes, he did the same thing last game as mafia, but a "meta" case must prove not only that he does that stuff as mafia, but that he CAN'T or NEVER do that stuff as town.
The thing is, it's not a meta case to begin with. How he played EOD1 was scummy. Thinking the two main wagons were not likely to be mafia, having a scumread; but not pushing it.
The townie way to play that wuold be to defend your townreads and push your scumread.
It only starts to be meta after that, because he was in kinda the same situation the last two games he played:
- as mafia he did the same thing
- as town he did not do the same thing; in fact, he reacted the town way described above
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On October 22 2015 23:42 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 23:39 Rels wrote:On October 22 2015 23:35 GlowingBear wrote:On October 22 2015 23:17 Rels wrote:
GB am I tunneling or is SL really similar to his mafia game and really different from his town game ? You could be right on SL. The thing is that he presented some townie posts in his filter that is giving me pause. There are better people to look after today IMO. If you want to see if you're TUNNELED, forget the claim and try to read SL coming from a townie perspective. See if it makes sense. It does. Except at EOD1. And I know SL is super strong at making seems like he's coming from a town perspective, I've played with him. At EOD1, he was playing his scum game, as demonstrated above. I agree with you, Rels. And I find hard that drunk bear is wrong. But look at Moosy doosy and FF. Especially what I just said. Don't you think they have scummier traits? I mean, your strong scum read on him started with the counter claim. Before that, I presume you had a weaker read
No. I had him as scum just before EON1 deadline:
On October 21 2015 04:59 Rels wrote:
Currently, I think the scumteam is SL / LoneMeow / Shining. Maybe Moosy or FF is in place of these two.
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Probably scum
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SL: what GB said (having LM as scum but doesn't push him). Actually his play is very reminiscent of when I play with him as mafia. He's there but is not doing strong stuff, unlike the previous newbie game where he fucking pushed for stoicism switch as blue.
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I've removed any claim stuff from my read on him.
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On October 22 2015 23:45 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 23:40 GlowingBear wrote:
I think your case is a little flawed because yes, he did the same thing last game as mafia, but a "meta" case must prove not only that he does that stuff as mafia, but that he CAN'T or NEVER do that stuff as town. The thing is, it's not a meta case to begin with. How he played EOD1 was scummy. Thinking the two main wagons were not likely to be mafia, having a scumread; but not pushing it. The townie way to play that wuold be to defend your townreads and push your scumread. It only starts to be meta after that, because he was in kinda the same situation the last two games he played: - as mafia he did the same thing - as town he did not do the same thing; in fact, he reacted the town way described above
Did he never do that as town? I'm not sure. I've done that as town once.
Ok I will read your case thoroughlly and comment point by point. What do you think of what I said about FF?
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On October 22 2015 23:42 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 23:39 Rels wrote:On October 22 2015 23:35 GlowingBear wrote:On October 22 2015 23:17 Rels wrote:
GB am I tunneling or is SL really similar to his mafia game and really different from his town game ? You could be right on SL. The thing is that he presented some townie posts in his filter that is giving me pause. There are better people to look after today IMO. If you want to see if you're TUNNELED, forget the claim and try to read SL coming from a townie perspective. See if it makes sense. It does. Except at EOD1. And I know SL is super strong at making seems like he's coming from a town perspective, I've played with him. At EOD1, he was playing his scum game, as demonstrated above. But look at Moosy doosy and FF. Especially what I just said. Don't you think they have scummier traits?
I would vote Moosy too. FF is playing his town meta so I wouldn't vote him today.
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On October 22 2015 23:48 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 23:45 Rels wrote:On October 22 2015 23:40 GlowingBear wrote:
I think your case is a little flawed because yes, he did the same thing last game as mafia, but a "meta" case must prove not only that he does that stuff as mafia, but that he CAN'T or NEVER do that stuff as town. The thing is, it's not a meta case to begin with. How he played EOD1 was scummy. Thinking the two main wagons were not likely to be mafia, having a scumread; but not pushing it. The townie way to play that wuold be to defend your townreads and push your scumread. It only starts to be meta after that, because he was in kinda the same situation the last two games he played: - as mafia he did the same thing - as town he did not do the same thing; in fact, he reacted the town way described above Did he never do that as town? I'm not sure. I've done that as town once. Ok I will read your case thoroughlly and comment point by point. What do you think of what I said about FF?
What you said about FF makes sense. I don't think FF is scum though. When I was playing scum in Season of the witch 2, I tried to put suspicions on him for kinda the same reasons, and got bashed by HTS.
1 sec I'll find the posts.
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Here is what HTS had to say about FF in Season of the witch 2 (he was town and I, as scum, tried to push suspicions on him):
On September 21 2015 01:25 Half the Sky wrote:
Note to self - comment on Fecalfeast
Rels - there's 3 known metas I know of FF.
Tryhard town (Not Themed)
Tryhard/spammy mafia (Carnaval/Ippo)
Lazy town (Carol/Titanic 7)
I'll elaborate on them more when I get home. May need to do a database dig up on him too. I'll try and identify where he is here, the ONLY meta I have not seen is lazy mafia meta, and I don't want to make the same mistake I did with WaveofShadow in Gaiden.
On September 21 2015 01:58 Half the Sky wrote:
Also the meta for FF I'm seeing so far is the "lazy town" meta. I'm reading through Carnaval for possible parallels, but he's spammy as shit there. And I mean really spammy "shit up the thread".
On September 21 2015 02:26 Half the Sky wrote:
The Fecalfeast I'm seeing here is closer to JOAT/Carol/Titanic 7.
He was way the hell more spammy in Carnaval across 4 cycles, and was caught out on VCA. Some of the spam was pointless filler, a bit of talk on setup spec there but I'm ignoring that for here since we are in a themed game. (Carnaval was a normal mini).
FF also had a history of pushing AFKers in that game. Ippo was also 11 pages in 2 cycles, and a lot of spammy shit there too. A lot of one-liners in that game with ZERO direction.
I know Vivax said something about FF's late vote being a problem but it was not nearly as blatant as him trying to save his confirmed mafia teammate in Carnaval.
So I think the thing here is to look for a combination of lack of direction plus a crazy amount of filler. I know in Carol he was just completely lazy, and I know in titantic 7 he contradicted himself a lot as town (I cased him twice, that's how I know and he was just playing really suboptimally).
I don't think he's mafia here. Based on what I know, and what I've read I don't think he's the lynch. I am curious to read Rels' reasoning. D1 I know he's quite lazy (and three times to my questions he admitted he lacked answers largely because he just wasn't reading) and I'm seeing that here. D2 there were 1-2 posts that jumped as being somewhat town. He's a very good DT check if people want to resolve him sooner rather than later (or those who don't understand his meta) but you see more of an obvious agenda trying to pick off the easy lynches/afk people/less actives as mafia. That was very apparent in Carnaval and less so in Ippo, but still apparent.
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No way I'll vote "I play my town meta" FF over:
"I appear town but doesn't care if townies gets lynched" SL
"I don't care about this game, I swear to god it's my town meta don't lynch me plzplzplz" MoosyDoosy
"I'll be back in 12 hours max! What do you mean it's been 36 hours already ?" Vonthin
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So vote Moosy doosy today?
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Maybe. I think SL is more likely to be scum.
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What do you think of the meta stuff above ?
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On October 23 2015 00:14 Rels wrote:
What do you think of the meta stuff above ?
I think it's weak. I usually don't like meta. Most of the meta cases I've seen in these forums were wrong.
If FF is self aware of that meta, he can fake it anytime. I will never accept a meta over a clearly scummy post.
I simply don't see a townie saying "SL is town, Occam's razor" then when you post a team with him he says "ok good team" and instead voting a suspicious guy that is the main wagon AND part of the team he said it was good (Moosy), he votes his town read (SL).
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Like, Rels, if HTS explicitly says being spammy is FF's mafia meta, he just needs to not spam. Then he is townread because he is lazy. Which is the easiest thing to do as mafia.
+ HtS said FF usually lacks direction and it is clearly what he is doing here
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On October 23 2015 00:20 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 00:14 Rels wrote:
What do you think of the meta stuff above ? I think it's weak. I usually don't like meta. Most of the meta cases I've seen in these forums were wrong. If FF is self aware of that meta, he can fake it anytime. I will never accept a meta over a clearly scummy post. I simply don't see a townie saying "SL is town, Occam's razor" then when you post a team with him he says "ok good team" and instead voting a suspicious guy that is the main wagon AND part of the team he said it was good (Moosy), he votes his town read (SL).
He kinda had a progression though.
On October 21 2015 05:34 Fecalfeast wrote:
occam's razor, sl is probably not mafia. He is the type to do crazy shit as scum but getting himself killed over a vig claim is realllll crazy
On October 22 2015 07:18 Fecalfeast wrote:RE: sicklucker I'm flipflopping all over the place on him. His early TR of me felt like TMI, though he is VERY familiar with the lazytown!fecalfeast play. The claim is stupid and sicklucker would do a stupid play as either alignment IMO. Currently he is towny to me but I can't really articulate why. I will filter him at some point Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 06:49 Rels wrote:On October 21 2015 05:02 Eversince wrote:
Oh wow what... Kelsier I expected but Lone Moew was town after that play? Now I'm just really confused. FF do you think this post is town indicative ? (that was just after start of D2) Weird that you slap tthe word town on it rather than ask what I think of the post but I don't think this post is too alignment indicative. Unless you think she's incapable of faking a reaction over the vig shot
On October 22 2015 07:35 Fecalfeast wrote:
I mean, I don't remember trying to kill her last game but that game was a short mafia concession anyway. SL saying she was going to be lynched last game is a little off
On October 22 2015 07:36 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm looking at that game right now and yeah there was some suspicion but not enough to warrant calling her 'one who always gets lynched'
On October 22 2015 09:53 Fecalfeast wrote:
SL give me a team of 3 off the top of your brain go
On October 22 2015 10:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
yeah es' thought process here is towny too. I just checked my pm to make sure I'm not scum in case I forgot, I have too many town reads
On October 22 2015 12:24 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 12:15 sicklucker wrote:
vontins most likely scum imo he didnt care about the lynch and I know eversince is town Are you going for the 'too scummy to be scum' angle here? Can you atleast tell me why my meta read is wrong or is it just based off his lack of enthusiasm?
On October 22 2015 18:43 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 18:40 Rels wrote:
FF.
Does SL directly lying about something makes him mafia ? Well, if you want to get literal, no. I could lie about stuff and I'm still town. How many people voted for eversince day 1, rels?
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On October 23 2015 00:22 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, Rels, if HTS explicitly says being spammy is FF's mafia meta, he just needs to not spam. Then he is townread because he is lazy. Which is the easiest thing to do as mafia.
+ HtS said FF usually lacks direction and it is clearly what he is doing here
I agree with the "we should not consider meta as the bible" stuff. But HTS also said FF did not make sense as town, and she had wrongly cased him for that.
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FF scumread BF. It's one of his two scumreads with GB.
BF does nothing.
FF does not talk about BF.
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OK that goes into the "no direction" category. Maybe he's scum.
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Leaving work soon, see you in a few hours. (=
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GB can you check FF's read of BF progression ? Why did he drop it like that ? Did BF post something between the scumread and the drop ? If you don't have time I'll do it tonight.
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