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On October 23 2015 23:01 marvellosity wrote: xatalos is pretty obviously town i think because if he was mafia he'd just townread me. Haha... Ah, I guess you're referring to our PM discussion after my miserable semi-push against you as scum... | ||
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On October 23 2015 23:10 Chromatically wrote: So I assume no one agrees with me on Xatalos then? Here are the basic points I made: Xatalos was active without posting anything particularly in the beginning of the game (mafia do this because they want to appear active but have trouble posting content), waffling on votes (mafia do this because they want to keep their options open and not ignore their partners), throwing suspicion on rayn initially (mafia do this to make people look worse than they are), weird read on BH (mafia throw out townreads without thinking about why). The last two points are meh, but the first two I think are pretty clearly scum traits and certainly not "null at worst" from any perspective. The filter length defense is the only good one I've heard, but filter length is not everything. If people really don't want to lynch Xatalos, I'll obviously consolidate onto someone else. But I do think I made a strong case and I feel good about it. I mean... Posting a lot (including filler) is my town meta. As scum, I select more carefully what I post. Waffling is something I will do as scum, but also as town, so it's not really.... a point. I think my read on BH is decent, do you disagree with it? Even rayn finally admitted it wasn't meritless (at least "from my perspective" lol). Not sure why scumhunting is scummy again. It's not like I showed suspicion towards rayn baselessly. | ||
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On October 23 2015 23:08 marvellosity wrote: my reasoning was that you're a bit of a pussy as mafia and it would be much easier for you just to townread me when if you are mafia you know there is a 0% chance of me ever getting lynched. the fact you pushed me before under similar circumstances weakens that as a heuristic though although i doubt you'd make the same mistake twice Btw can you really say I'm a pussy as scum after that game where I and Artanis bussed each other all game?  That was fun. | ||
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What the heck are all those votes on Vivax? He's definitely not the lynch today. In my experience, his scumgame is entirely different from this. Very lurky and overall uninvolved. I don't really think GB is the best lynch either.. I'd much rather lynch rayn first, since GB is unlikely scum with rayn IMO. Yeah, I'm still leaning towards rayn. Chromatically, where would you "consolidate" if not for me? | ||
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On October 23 2015 23:24 marvellosity wrote: yes, bussing each other is pussy way out because it means you don't have the balls to tunnel a townie gonna have to try meta Chrome at some point. My evening cleared up (i was gonna be afk all weekend and spring that on you guys when i finished work, but my plans fell through) I don't like any of these posts much. I don't think the anger thing is a good reason to townread yamato. I made an unexplained punt vote on GB and it reads as a bit of a weird defence. I'm also not sure that Chrome should be getting strong townfeels from the post i made rather than others/the whole body of play. Also have this nagging feeling where Chrome described ritoky as picking up on "textbook mafia tells" and he's essentially doing the exact same thing with Xatalos. I don't like it. I understand picking up on Xata's read progression on rayn, I think it's possibly reasonable to be suspicious of that, but the rest of it I don't think I like much. Well yeah I guess it's a bit odd... He basically suspected ritoky for making a reasonably similar case as his own latest case.... I mean the way of taking general scum traits (keeping options open etc.) then just finding some post where it could be applied and base the case on that. | ||
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On October 23 2015 23:31 marvellosity wrote: 1. marvellosity 2. Vivax 8. Xatalos 13. yamato77 3. Blazinghand 4. gumshoe 6. Hopeless1der 7. raynpelikoneet 9. Onegu 12. ritoky 5. GlowingBear 10. Chromatically 11. Alakaslam groups are in no particular order (e.g. rayn would be higher) Well, it warms my heart that I'm so high. Nice to be a pussy I guess? ![[image loading]](http://www.eastcottvets.co.uk/uploads/Animals/gingerkitten.jpg) Anyways, you'd really have to do better than to claim Slam's reaction to a vote / his attack on rayn was weird. I basically got the opposite picture from how he went about it. Can't really disagree about the option of Chromatically. GB... Doesn't really seem like the best lynch today. He's kind of null to me, but rayn's odd behavior towards him (hard defense -> hard attack) doesn't really seem like how he would treat a teammate. More like how scum rayn would treat someone he knew was town. So that basically pushes him out of my comfortable lynch range atm. Is there really nothing else for you to defend rayn with than his initial agreement (not really) with your early reads? Even if his reads were actually quite different back then, unlike you said, and a HUGE AMOUNT of stuff has happened after that? | ||
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On October 23 2015 23:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Chromatically's oplay is completely different from his scumgames where he basically picks a person and tunnels that into oblivion. Isn't that pretty much what he's been doing towards me D1? Well, he did initially pick ritoky, I guess, but since that didn't go anywhere it became me. Anyways didn't you learn from your mistakes? Last time as well, in the VS game, I started suspecting you and you turned on a switch where I was 100% scum. That was... really bad. As it is now. Pretty much exactly the same as what you're doing now, and it's still equally scummy. | ||
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On October 23 2015 23:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Let's lynch Slam. ##unvote ##vote Alakaslam I wanna tunnel Xatalos so hard after D1. So hard. I am literally seeing red and i really really wanna do this. And i can't unless i lynch mafia. WTF is this post btw? Where did the Slam scumread come from? And why is it pre-set that I should be the next lynch regardless of what Slam flips? And why am I even scum again, for suspecting you for the same reasons I suspected you last time you were scum? Wot? Nothing makes sense. | ||
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On October 24 2015 00:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: bcz i am scum obviously. did you forget? Yeah..... It's getting harder to see any other reason.... | ||
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Because I have difficulties seeing why town marv would defend rayn based on something that never actually happened, in the first moments of the game, and ignoring everything rayn said afterwards.... Even though rayn already has like 7 pages of filter. | ||
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On October 24 2015 00:14 marvellosity wrote: i'm not ignoring everything he says afterwards. i liked some of his longer posts. you're coming at this in a really, really shallow way. like I can answer your question about rayn's play. rayn thinks GB could be mafia, but he has nagging meta/tonal reasons that he might be town rayn thinks you are mafia because of your shit read on him, but he knows he cannot push a lynch through on you at all with me opposing it today rayn recognises that me and him both agree on Slam, this is a good shot of being mafia and if he hits mafia he gets more cred to go after you. Do you honestly think he believes I'm scum based on that? I made an extremely similar push last time I was town and he was scum, and he similarly immediately scumread me for the push. It's actually unbelievable how similar his gut reaction is. And it's very odd how his PoE possibility of Slam being scum suddenly became the best lynch. Even though he's pushed GB for the recent times. And how is PoE even a valid reason for his lynch choice when he has several actual scumreads and overall his reads are nothing consistent? His reads have changed in so many directions that how is Slam still in a similar PoE position? I think he just saw an easy way out of getting lynched today and went for the easy route of sheeping you, even though there's still like 5-6 hours time left. | ||
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On October 24 2015 00:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: your push is shityy shit shit, and if you are town you can't read me (which doesn't surprise me at all based on your last game's case). So how am I 100% scum because of this push if it wouldn't surprise you that I made this push as town? | ||
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On October 24 2015 00:33 marvellosity wrote: it's not heading towards anything vs rayn. It is if I have anything to say about it. | ||
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