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On October 23 2015 07:49 Vivax wrote:
Bothers me how first GB goes from "Vivax mafia cause tone" when most people agreed that it's my town tone, and then thinks of another reason to scumread me for and switches over to saying that he's suspicious of my townreads cause he doesn't know how they're formed.
So um yeah, either my tone sucks but then my townreads don't have anything to do with it, and when confronted with other people's opinions (marv was hitting that with a pneumatic hammer) he abandons it and starts looking for another reason to bitch about my alignment, so he asks me some fancy questions "why do you townread these dudes" when it's a question he could ask anyone without having to scumread them first.
Maybe you're onto something.... Well, it does kind of feel like a premeditated push.
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Hm... rayn, you stopped responding to me because you understood my point about the RNG things, but I'm "dumb" anyway? Why am I "dumb" even if you thought I ultimately had a point? Or did you talk about it with me because you initially put / painted me as scum and then dropped interest when it didn't go anywhere?
Well, I guess you did answer some of it indirectly in your other posts anyway. I was still left hanging especially with how you gave GB/Hopeless such easy town passes (for almost nothing) and why ritoky became scum for... basically disagreeing with you about some RNG statistics?
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On October 23 2015 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 07:31 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 23 2015 06:38 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 06:27 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have a question. Xatalos do you seriously think Blazinghand - as town - believes that lynching by RNG on D1 has the best chances of hitting mafia? Like do you SERIOUSLY believe that? depending on the setup of the game and the structure of PRs, yes. really? when he himself just argued it's less likely to hit mafia then not rng lycnhing? it's actually equally as likely, so i disagree with your premise entirely. it's actually really simple. i mean i guess it's pretty simple for me cuz i read like 10 of BH's games in the recent past so i could accurately impersonate him. here's your guide to reading BH: Did he RNG immediately @ the start of the game: if yes -> 80% chance to be town; if no -> 80% chance to be mafia Did he push the RNG target or just leave it there like a dead fish: if push -> 95% chance to be town; if dead fish - 50% chance to be mafia Did he gather reads from people arguing with him about why they are better than RNG: yes - DING DING DING town; i don't know he hasn't given reads - 75% town; no - 50% town rayn, was this your turning point on ritoky? They're right when saying that ritoky posted nothing between "(rayn thinks) ritoky is town" and "POE lynch list include ritoky". Yeah as i said that was yesterday. I clearly pointed out (before going to bed) that i dislike Xatalos' & ritoky's reads on BH which i had missed earlier as i was tired. My townread on ritoky before was not based on that at all. I jsut didn't pay attention to his posts because i didn't think he was saying anything interesting. It's like how i treat players who don't say anything interesting (unless something changes)... in every game. There is absolutely nothing contradicting there, i re-evaluated his posting after i had slept and dug up further and came to conclusion he is mafia, because: 1) His read on BH is bad. 2) His reasoning for his read doesn't even make any sense.for example; he says there is 80% chance BH does this rng thing as town, so there is actually then 20% chance of BH doing that as mafia - by default. When people tell his that "BH could totally do that as mafia" it doesn't affect his read at all. In fact he just pushes the townread further with more illogical arguments, like trying to argue random lynching is as effective as not random lynching, which is a straight out lie, and doesn't even have anything to do with BH's alignment. So yeah, there is that. That's basically the only thing he has done in this game in addition to now bitching at me.
Well I guess there could be something with that point 2...... It's a little bit weird how he was so confident on BH being town despite saying that there's a large chance of him "breaking meta"... But I don't really see how he should have been affected by people saying that he could do it as scum, considering he originally said it himself too. Meh. I don't really see it as any big point against him.
Could you walk me through how Hopeless is clearly town? I think marv said it too? So there might be some merit in it.
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Really marv? I think Slam has said a lot more interesting stuff already than he ever did last game (as scum). There he just basically hanged around, trolling, but I thought he was town because he was so "natural" in the thread.
This game... Mostly I was enlightened by him liking ritoky for his "town BH makes reads based on his RNG push DING DING" post (which really makes me feel better about ritoky too, since I forgot that post and wondered a bit about his confidence in BH being town... Now I understand). Also I liked how he brought up the weird progression from rayn regarding GB... Which basically went like certain town -> die scum, based on.. What? Missing posts from GB earlier? Then why that hard defense of him in the first place, without even reading his posts? And now the confident scumread because that's where the thread was flowing?
What I'm trying to say is, reading Slam's posts made me feel better about Slam and ritoky, and worse about rayn. Not really sure how you came to your conclusions marv...?
On the other hand, GB has felt a bit better lately. The Vivax read is a bit... But like marv said, it feels like a really weird target to pick as scum. And I liked his meta thing about me. And he's unlikely scum with rayn (no reason for scum rayn to suddenly go on the offensive this late in the day otherwise after hard defending him before).
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Ah, and Chromatically... Not sure yet. He's kept being pretty reasonable / constructive all game, but I don't really think there's been much (if anything?) I've agreed with him on... And that case against me is just, pretty much describing my town meta features as scummy points. The stuff he's saying about me is null at worst. And then I'm confidently scum? I've received a couple of cases like that (from scum) before. Most notably the case that called me a "drama queen" or something (LOL). That was a funny case. Anyways, it feels kind of like those cases, nitpicking null/towny things and painting them in the worst possible light. It doesn't even feel like an actual case, more like an effort to try and find *somethjng* (anything) bad about me... And failing, but calling me scum regardless.
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On October 23 2015 21:50 marvellosity wrote:
i came to my conclusions by being awesome and not-xatalos
Lolz
So?
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How DID you come to think that Slam was scum and rayn town(?) from the last pages?
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[QUOTE]On October 23 2015 19:17 marvellosity wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 23 2015 19:11 marvellosity wrote:
It feels to me like he decided to scumread rayn and then is kinda just picking out posts to make it happen.[/QUOTE]
If you say this, then I also posted a pretty similar post spree before him? How did you miss that and only notice Slam? Why didn't you even comment on the whole debate itself, but jumped straight to saying that just Slam is scum?
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Let's see... My current thoughts are... (not in any particular order)
Town
Vivax
Blazinghand
ritoky
Alakaslam
Nullish
GlowingBear
gumshoe
Hopeless1der
Onegu
yamato77
marvellosity
Scummy
Chromatically
raynpelikoneet
That's where I'm at... I think there's at least 1-2 scum between rayn/Chrom and then 1-2 in the null section.
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[QUOTE]On October 23 2015 22:35 marvellosity wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 23 2015 22:29 Xatalos wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 23 2015 19:17 marvellosity wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 23 2015 19:11 marvellosity wrote:
It feels to me like he decided to scumread rayn and then is kinda just picking out posts to make it happen.[/QUOTE]
If you say this, then I also posted a pretty similar post spree before him? How did you miss that and only notice Slam? Why didn't you even comment on the whole debate itself, but jumped straight to saying that just Slam is scum?[/QUOTE]
you're not Slam?
are you on drugs?[/QUOTE]
Eh... I mean, you just said "huh someone else attacked rayn before?" implying you didn't read my posts, and then you scumread Slam for attacking rayn in a very similar fashion... Why put someone as your biggest scumread before even reading the context of his posts?
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On October 23 2015 22:36 marvellosity wrote:
your reads are fucking shit-tier because yamato is obviously town and so am i.
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[QUOTE]On October 23 2015 22:39 marvellosity wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 23 2015 22:38 Xatalos wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 23 2015 22:35 marvellosity wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 23 2015 22:29 Xatalos wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 23 2015 19:17 marvellosity wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 23 2015 19:11 marvellosity wrote:
It feels to me like he decided to scumread rayn and then is kinda just picking out posts to make it happen.[/QUOTE]
If you say this, then I also posted a pretty similar post spree before him? How did you miss that and only notice Slam? Why didn't you even comment on the whole debate itself, but jumped straight to saying that just Slam is scum?[/QUOTE]
you're not Slam?
are you on drugs?[/QUOTE]
Eh... I mean, you just said "huh someone else attacked rayn before?" implying you didn't read my posts, and then you scumread Slam for attacking rayn in a very similar fashion... Why put someone as your biggest scumread before even reading the context of his posts?[/QUOTE]
Slam made the post I quoted on rayn long before you did.
thread context. try it.[/QUOTE]
I didn't mean his reaction to being voted, I meant how you said he maliciously attacked rayn.... which happened after my posts... and then you said "someone attacked rayn before?".
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Yeah sorry about the quote mess lol
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On October 23 2015 22:39 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 22:36 marvellosity wrote:
your reads are fucking shit-tier because yamato is obviously town and so am i.
Btw does this imply that you think rayn&Chrom are potential scum anyways? Then why was it so bad for Slam to attack rayn?
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On October 23 2015 22:42 marvellosity wrote:
i don't understand why you keep assuming you and slam are the same and should be treated the same
it's just nonsense
Well generally I assume people should be treated the same if they do the same actions in the same context. This referring to our reactions to rayn's read shifts, which you bashed Slam for and totally ignored what I said (which was pretty much the same as Slam).
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On October 23 2015 22:44 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 22:43 Xatalos wrote:On October 23 2015 22:39 Xatalos wrote:On October 23 2015 22:36 marvellosity wrote:
your reads are fucking shit-tier because yamato is obviously town and so am i. Btw does this imply that you think rayn&Chrom are potential scum anyways? Then why was it so bad for Slam to attack rayn? no i think rayn is town and i already explained why.
Hmmmm......
I see you said something like "shame rayn is probably town" but that's not much of an explanation...
What's with all these incomprehensible reads going on....
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Ah yeah there was the thing at the start.... About him having the same 2 reads from the initial posts... But isn't it a bit too easy to give him a free town pass for just that? I think he's more than capable of appearing "good" in his starting posts at least.
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Well not exactly. He also said that ritoky was town and he had some other read you disagreed with.
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Well he said that you&ritoky were town and gumshoe was scum.
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Hardly the "exact same reads", and even if that was the case, it's just too much of a free pass for him to give a total townread for it.
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