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Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 24 2015 20:24 GMT
#1541
Yeah that's pretty likely lol. It's GlowingBear. He really stuck out to me when I looked at D1 for just kind of being there in the thread and not really pushing much. When I checked out his meta, he gets really passionate about pushing something D1 as town and doesn't seem to push anything that much as mafia. And, he's significantly more active as town (just based off of filter length D1 between town/mafia games).
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 20:25 GMT
#1542
It still kind of worries me that marv has been so... non-transparent. If he's town, he has to know that his death is like at least a 50/50 chance (just based on his reputation). Yet he's been entirely uninterested to put forth anything after Slam flipped. Maybe he'll claim that my insults made him ragequit for tonight, and it's unfortunate if that's the case, but it's a bit hard to buy that it's all there is. Would he really just give up on the game (as town) if he's wrong D1 and blamed for it by me? It fits better with his scum meta of giving up easily and not really caring about the game. There's also the fact that he defended rayn for loltastic reasons and scumread Slam/Chromatically for loltastic reasons.

What I'm trying to say is, if I die, don't just sheep marv. I have a nagging bad feeling about him and it won't go away. Either he's really off or possibly even scum.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 24 2015 20:27 GMT
#1543
I guess here's my basic idea right now:

Xatalos
gumshoe
ritoky
yamato
marv
Vivax

BH
Hopeless
Onegu
rayn

GB

I feel pretty confident the top group is town, and I wanted to put rayn in the bottom group on feel but I haven't looked into it enough to feel comfortable saying that right at this moment. Been spending my time mostly on GB.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 20:30 GMT
#1544
Hm. Well, I can't really call GB likely town other than his genuine-seeming attitude under pressure and the unflipped anti-association with rayn. Tbh that's enough for me to not lynch him right now, though...
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Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 24 2015 20:34 GMT
#1545
Yeah I can agree with that about marv. I feel like it would be weird for scum marv to blatantly defend scum rayn like that, but that's getting into sketchy territory.

I'll post a full thing about GB soon if you're still alive at that point. I don't think there's an anti-association with rayn tbh (I remember rayn and Koshi completely going at it in the thread in GoT when they were both mafia), but yeah that's unflipped anyway.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 20:37 GMT
#1546
Maybe I'm a bit blinded by the fact that GB has been one of the few people in the anti-rayn faction.

That's all dependent on if rayn first flips scum though.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 20:38 GMT
#1547
But unless rayn flips town, I don't really feel like GB is a good choice.
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Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 24 2015 20:40 GMT
#1548
I feel like I should talk to you about rayn right now but I agree with most of the points you recently posted about him being mafia. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to criticize people for flipping their reads though...
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 24 2015 20:42 GMT
#1549
I really really don't think that unflipped associations are the right way to go about this, and if you're alive we can talk about it in the day when I make a longer post on GB. (And either way I really don't think being in the anti-rayn faction is a reason for someone to not be mafia with rayn.)
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 20:45 GMT
#1550
I mean... I think the timing of GB's vote on rayn almost certainly rules out a GB-rayn scumteam. It made the situation 5-4, extremely close. At that point it was still hard to say if rayn was "safe" and it would be extremely, extremely risky for him to vote for scum rayn there.

I repeat: do not lynch GB tomorrow. Not unless rayn is town.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
October 24 2015 20:48 GMT
#1551
On October 24 2015 11:15 gumshoe wrote:
Ritoky's switch onto Onegu last second makes very little sense as scum, if Onegu is town and gets bussed last sec, Ritoky looks terrible. If Onegue is scum, he just helped kill his teamate 0_0 seems like a dumb and unnecessary risk when town is already fixated on slam.

It's possible Ritoky was super confident Bh's lynch wouldn't go through, but then why bother at all? Just to distance himself from the slam lynch? Could backfire huge if Onegu actually did get lynched (would look like a last second buss off of Ritoky's buddy slam)



This post makes absolutely no sense. First do you really think with the 5 minutes in which BH came in people were going to switch.

And lets say there were last second switch onto me. Why is ritoky going to look terrible. Everyone knows voting analysis is terrible day one. And once I flip town what are you dumbasses going to do? You arent going to lynch ritoky you are going to be like everyone is terrible and we should have lynched slam yesterday we are going to lynch him today. Ritoky is scott free.

Every point here is bad. What looks worse is you giving me a town read but then saying you would vote me but then not.

Ritoky also voting because someone says so then once the mislynch is secured he moves onto another townie because it makes him not on a town play during the flip.

Gumshoe pointing this out and trying to make him look better bothers me alot.

Blazinghand gets the same thing as Ritoky. Why try to shennanie on me. Because BH knows if there is shennanies from a player like slam onto another town player means that slam is the focus for most of day 2. It is a win win.

Out of the 2 though I would say ritoky is the more suspicious of the 2. And would lynch him first.


There are a few more things I want to look into.

I really dont get xata's attacks of rayn and Marv. Like are his reads just that shit. Like most of my body wants to believe that.

I dont see a way Rayn is scum here. I just dont. The way he reacted to me. The way his reads are changing. His reaction to Slam being town and being lynched. This all comes from town rayn.

I am 99% giving my soul read on him.

Could also lynch hopeless here. Like I baited him and he did nothing about it and just went after easy lynches even after threatening me. His reads seem to just go along with thread sentiment.

Everyone else is fairly null to me.

I need to look at a few more things.

Really need to take a new look at Yamato. Really had a town feeling yesterday but meh.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
October 24 2015 20:50 GMT
#1552
There is no way in hell I will vote rayn at all...
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
October 24 2015 20:51 GMT
#1553
On October 25 2015 05:27 Chromatically wrote:
I guess here's my basic idea right now:

Xatalos
gumshoe
ritoky
yamato
marv
Vivax

BH
Hopeless
Onegu
rayn

GB

I feel pretty confident the top group is town, and I wanted to put rayn in the bottom group on feel but I haven't looked into it enough to feel comfortable saying that right at this moment. Been spending my time mostly on GB.



Why is ritoky town to you?
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
October 24 2015 20:53 GMT
#1554
and gumshoe for that matter.
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Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 24 2015 20:53 GMT
#1555
On October 25 2015 05:45 Xatalos wrote:
I mean... I think the timing of GB's vote on rayn almost certainly rules out a GB-rayn scumteam. It made the situation 5-4, extremely close. At that point it was still hard to say if rayn was "safe" and it would be extremely, extremely risky for him to vote for scum rayn there.

I repeat: do not lynch GB tomorrow. Not unless rayn is town.

Hmm yeah I didn't notice that... there were still two hours until lynch but even so it would be risky. I don't think that's a reason not to lynch GB though. I haven't even like posted a case though so this is a little silly for me to be trying to argue this.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 24 2015 20:54 GMT
#1556
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 25 2015 05:48 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 11:15 gumshoe wrote:
Ritoky's switch onto Onegu last second makes very little sense as scum, if Onegu is town and gets bussed last sec, Ritoky looks terrible. If Onegue is scum, he just helped kill his teamate 0_0 seems like a dumb and unnecessary risk when town is already fixated on slam.

It's possible Ritoky was super confident Bh's lynch wouldn't go through, but then why bother at all? Just to distance himself from the slam lynch? Could backfire huge if Onegu actually did get lynched (would look like a last second buss off of Ritoky's buddy slam)



This post makes absolutely no sense. First do you really think with the 5 minutes in which BH came in people were going to switch.

And lets say there were last second switch onto me. Why is ritoky going to look terrible. Everyone knows voting analysis is terrible day one. And once I flip town what are you dumbasses going to do? You arent going to lynch ritoky you are going to be like everyone is terrible and we should have lynched slam yesterday we are going to lynch him today. Ritoky is scott free.

Every point here is bad. What looks worse is you giving me a town read but then saying you would vote me but then not.

Ritoky also voting because someone says so then once the mislynch is secured he moves onto another townie because it makes him not on a town play during the flip.

Gumshoe pointing this out and trying to make him look better bothers me alot.

Blazinghand gets the same thing as Ritoky. Why try to shennanie on me. Because BH knows if there is shennanies from a player like slam onto another town player means that slam is the focus for most of day 2. It is a win win.

Out of the 2 though I would say ritoky is the more suspicious of the 2. And would lynch him first.


There are a few more things I want to look into.

I really dont get xata's attacks of rayn and Marv. Like are his reads just that shit. Like most of my body wants to believe that.

I dont see a way Rayn is scum here. I just dont. The way he reacted to me. The way his reads are changing. His reaction to Slam being town and being lynched. This all comes from town rayn.

I am 99% giving my soul read on him.

Could also lynch hopeless here. Like I baited him and he did nothing about it and just went after easy lynches even after threatening me. His reads seem to just go along with thread sentiment.

Everyone else is fairly null to me.

I need to look at a few more things.

Really need to take a new look at Yamato. Really had a town feeling yesterday but meh.

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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 20:56 GMT
#1557
I quite disagree with Onegu's post. Enough that I kind of want to include him in a scumteam, and really regret we didn't manage to lynch him yesterday over Slam.

Like Onegu calls a lot of people scum for... basically just for voting for him or even just for suspecting him.

rayn/Onegu for scum.... Probably.

I hope ObsQT won't make me facepalm.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
October 24 2015 20:57 GMT
#1558
On October 25 2015 05:56 Xatalos wrote:
I quite disagree with Onegu's post. Enough that I kind of want to include him in a scumteam, and really regret we didn't manage to lynch him yesterday over Slam.

Like Onegu calls a lot of people scum for... basically just for voting for him or even just for suspecting him.

rayn/Onegu for scum.... Probably.

I hope ObsQT won't make me facepalm.



Onegu rule
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Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 24 2015 20:58 GMT
#1559
On October 25 2015 05:51 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2015 05:27 Chromatically wrote:
I guess here's my basic idea right now:

Xatalos
gumshoe
ritoky
yamato
marv
Vivax

BH
Hopeless
Onegu
rayn

GB

I feel pretty confident the top group is town, and I wanted to put rayn in the bottom group on feel but I haven't looked into it enough to feel comfortable saying that right at this moment. Been spending my time mostly on GB.



Why is ritoky town to you?

ritoky is like a very strong feel read now I guess? The way he's joking seems like he's very comfortable in the thread. I agree with what Xatalos said about when he was in the conversation with Xatalos/marv, I liked the stuff he said about marv there a lot. I also liked this post:
On October 24 2015 18:28 ritoky wrote:
chrom seemed mafia to me cuz he couldn't take a joke, and his mafia case on me was "I'M SUPER SRS, YOU'RE NOT SUPER SRS, WHAT'S THIS GUY'S PROBLEM? OMG MAFIA~~~~ DO YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND HIM? HE SPEAKS IN TONGUES!@?!@?!@?!@>>!" but i am hesitant cuz effort level and actual cases and re-evaluating and blahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh makes me not wanna commit to a read on him cuz i am a bitch.

because it seems like genuine townie hesitation to commit to a read they're not sure of (easy to just call me mafia or town as mafia).
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
October 24 2015 20:58 GMT
#1560
kinda want to lynch xata now...
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