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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 09:44 GMT
#1501
On October 24 2015 18:39 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 18:37 Xatalos wrote:
Well, it'd be nice to get an answer to my main questions before the deadline still.

1) WHY is rayn town based on meta?

2) What would be your "last will" (lynchlist) after all this? I guess it's fine if you answer this one closer to deadline.


1) marv has a meta read on rayn, he isn't going to tell you it because it would tip his hand to rayn in future games and he prides himself on his meta read which to some degree requires rayn to not know exactly what it is and fake it (my read on slam and damdred is the same)

2) if marv is going to do this, he will do it near the deadline and without you on his nuts.

as a spokesperson for marv inc. i can verify he supports these messages.


I don't really approve of this. I think it's the same as playing bad on purpose to make your future scum games easier.

However, I can somewhat approve waiting until close to deadline for read posts. It's just that I'd like to be able to read them before I die... Or well, if I don't, then I'll have to reconsider some things.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 24 2015 09:46 GMT
#1502
On October 24 2015 18:44 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 18:39 ritoky wrote:
On October 24 2015 18:37 Xatalos wrote:
Well, it'd be nice to get an answer to my main questions before the deadline still.

1) WHY is rayn town based on meta?

2) What would be your "last will" (lynchlist) after all this? I guess it's fine if you answer this one closer to deadline.


1) marv has a meta read on rayn, he isn't going to tell you it because it would tip his hand to rayn in future games and he prides himself on his meta read which to some degree requires rayn to not know exactly what it is and fake it (my read on slam and damdred is the same)

2) if marv is going to do this, he will do it near the deadline and without you on his nuts.

as a spokesperson for marv inc. i can verify he supports these messages.


I don't really approve of this. I think it's the same as playing bad on purpose to make your future scum games easier.

However, I can somewhat approve waiting until close to deadline for read posts. It's just that I'd like to be able to read them before I die... Or well, if I don't, then I'll have to reconsider some things.


yeah but you see, since i found my slam meta read it has been 100% right. and my damdred n1 read is like 13/14...so uhhhh if it yields bonerific results then i approve. it's not like if i really think rayn is mafia with compelling reasons that marv saying "BUT GAIS, META READ" is gonna do anything to stop me getting rayn lynched for good reasoning.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 24 2015 09:49 GMT
#1503
i don't even understand why this is such a deal, marv is like the easiest scum read on the face of the earth; it is widespread knowledge. you just wait until a random point between day 2 and day 4 when he is still alive, then you ask yourself "has marv led a lynch on mafia? and does marv actually give 2 shits about this game right now?" if both are no, voila he is mafia.

wow, dat shit so cray. hell....isn't there even a marv flow chart that is like 85% accurate?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 09:54 GMT
#1504
:D:D

From what I remember, marv does actually have some amazing scum games where he's played actively and fooled everyone until LYLO. We even talked about one such game in PMs a while ago. However, perhaps this is his current standard.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 09:55 GMT
#1505
But anyways, I think ritoky is just almost certainly town after his casual participation in this highly volatile discussion topic.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 24 2015 09:58 GMT
#1506
well i am dumpster tier, so if he is amazing scum this game i am gonna lose simply on the fact that there's 12 levels between us and i need to be carried to even glimpse his upskirt.

otherwise i am gonna stick to my gutter tier guns. trust the big dogs who can see the forest to find the 2 obvious mafia while i sheep them, meanwhile i will shepherd them away from lynch bait and toward the sneakster mafia i will eventually find and pummel to oblivion.

or i will just get carried to a loss/win like always.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 10:04 GMT
#1507
On October 24 2015 18:58 ritoky wrote:
well i am dumpster tier, so if he is amazing scum this game i am gonna lose simply on the fact that there's 12 levels between us and i need to be carried to even glimpse his upskirt.

otherwise i am gonna stick to my gutter tier guns. trust the big dogs who can see the forest to find the 2 obvious mafia while i sheep them, meanwhile i will shepherd them away from lynch bait and toward the sneakster mafia i will eventually find and pummel to oblivion.

or i will just get carried to a loss/win like always.


Heh...

The risk with sheeping is if you pick a bad player to sheep. I mean if he's scum / off his game. After being so wrong on D1, I don't think marv deserves unlimited trust.

I say that, but it's not actually easy to be correct on D1. I suppose we'll see if marv starts to improve. It's maybe more his confidence in Slam being scum for flimsy reasons that bothers me. From what I remember of his town game, he often hesitates and reconsiders things even up to the final moments of a lynch.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 24 2015 10:07 GMT
#1508
i sheep'd bh until i took a poop and didn't come back. that may of may not have been a good choice, but i felt good about it at the time. it's less good if rayn is mafia. cuz derpa derpa unflipped assoc.

anywayz my mandatory 30 minutes of making sure my kid is okay after it woke me up has eclipsed. i leave you with this funny picture of a robot to put you in better spirits.

[image loading]

cya nerds, let me know who has the largest dick later kay?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 10:10 GMT
#1509
rayn wasn't getting lynched at that point anyway, so I think it was universally a good choice to hop on Onegu.

Even if he's town, he's done way less than Slam. And his towniness is all but certain.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 13:57 GMT
#1510
Well, maybe my new signature is going too far. But I'll keep it for a bit.

marv, I truly do respect you as a player and think you're perhaps the best player on TL overall. At least one of the best. I hope you realize that my suspicions towards you have been a sign of respect, not disrespect. Don't you think it's more disrespectful to assume that you can't play at all as scum? That no matter what, you couldn't put some sort of effort into the game unless you're town? That no matter if you push mislynches and defend scum, you must be town if you even bother to make posts?

I still don't think you're scum right now, but I think it's actually too disrespectful to say that you're 100% town for your play so far. It would mean you're 100% incapable of actually playing as town, and I think that's too much of an assumption, even if you're burned out.

In addition, I think I was being reasonably polite in this game overall until you had repeatedly insulted me for several pages. If it was someone like rayn on the receiving end, I think he would have already snapped and got himself modkilled. Instead, I just got a little payback by insulting your Slam read (which I think was reasonably justified to do). If you're truly unable to continue playing if I show you a little respect by assuming you're not 100% incapable of playing as scum, and give you a rather meek payback for your insults, I don't think I'm the one at fault in that situation. Well, maybe a bit, but I'm not a saint either who can take abuse endlessly and never say anything.

I guess it all started with our disagreement over rayn. I assume you have some sort of a godly meta read on him that you don't want to share, but I can't just blindly sheep your enigmatic meta read if other things point at rayn being scum and even you YOURSELF aren't completely sure about rayn.

With that, I hope you can continue to play normally and possibly even show me a minimum level of consideration. Well, even just playing would be good.

If you're scum, you're of course free to start lurking.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
October 24 2015 14:05 GMT
#1511
I will get serious at some point today Rayn and when I do I fully expect you to come back with a much better attitude and help me win this game.
Try TL Mafia!!!
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 14:10 GMT
#1512
On October 24 2015 18:24 ritoky wrote:
if i were the sole vote to lynch tomorrow, as of now it would be between yamato, rayn, and GB.

rayn cuz i am basically not reading what he types and his reads sucked.
yamato cuz he is hovering around the fringes of the game, or maybe that's just my perception.
GB cuz i have played a lot with him and he has no strong opinion on me, and actually i would say he seems to be actively avoiding talking about me; i feel he should have a stronger opinion. he is top disappointment atm.

if i were in magical vigi land i would probably shoot onegu cuz yolo free info.


This list isn't actually a bad one... Although I doubt rayn/GB could be scum together, but individually each one is plausible as scum.

All in all, ritoky might actually be my strongest townread right now. Followed by Vivax, I think. I'm also leaning towards gumshoe being town and BH still has townie factors.

What do you think about Chromatically/Onegu/Hopeless though, ritoky?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 14:15 GMT
#1513
And yeah, no matter what, I don't think marv should be the lynch tomorrow. He has at least tried to play so far which is more than he had done in his last scumgames.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 14:19 GMT
#1514
If I die tonight... Seriously consider my reads, even if you think I'm terrible. Because scum will probably kill the most threatening (=correct/convincing) player tonight unless they feel very secure to WIFOM around. I think there's a reasonable chance it's me, or it could be marv if he's town (just based on his fame). ritoky isn't impossible either. Inactive players hardly make sense as kills when there are no blues.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 14:37 GMT
#1515
On October 24 2015 05:18 ritoky wrote:
##vote: alakaslam

cuz BH said so.


Meh... This is one thing I don't like too much about ritoky though. Just a moment earlier he said he didn't buy Slam being scum ("it doesn't come along").
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 14:40 GMT
#1516
Just before ritoky had also said that rayn's posts weren't worth reading and his reads were bullshit :/ So why sheep his read?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 14:41 GMT
#1517
Meh... I guess I'll slightly drop ritoky'so evaluation.

I still like his posts tonight too much to drop him to null.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 14:54 GMT
#1518
(To be fair ritoky didn't directly sheep rayn, but still sided to lynch rayn's target - whom he didn't believe to be scum - over rayn, whom he thought was just bullshitting reads)
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 14:55 GMT
#1519
I guess it's a bit of salvation that he ended up hopping to Onegu, in the end.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 24 2015 14:56 GMT
#1520
Why are you guys considering teams when no one has been lynched yet?

Xata you don't think Rayn is scum?
I'm adorable.
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