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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 15:00 GMT
#1521
On October 24 2015 23:56 GlowingBear wrote:
Why are you guys considering teams when no one has been lynched yet?

Xata you don't think Rayn is scum?


Hm?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 15:02 GMT
#1522
Not sure where you would get that picture GB?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 24 2015 15:02 GMT
#1523
On October 24 2015 17:24 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 11:36 GlowingBear wrote:
You know slam for such long time rayn.

Why does his play style surprises you now?


Because he's scum and has to find some excuse for the horrible lynch. Even if the excuse doesn't relate to facts (Slam being less trolly than ever this game).

Not to mention, Slam wasn't even lynched for trolling but his serious posts... Who knows why... So it's not really even a passable excuse. 1) overall false and 2) not related to why Slam was lynched


Agreed
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 24 2015 15:04 GMT
#1524
On October 25 2015 00:02 Xatalos wrote:
Not sure where you would get that picture GB?


You've asked Ritoky if he agreed on a team that didn't have Rayn
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 24 2015 15:06 GMT
#1525
By the way, for those who wondering, I slept yesterday then I woke up late to an appointment. I couldn't be here until 1am
I'm adorable.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 15:16 GMT
#1526
That wasn't a scumteam, it was just asking his opinion on several players.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
October 24 2015 15:24 GMT
#1527
On October 25 2015 00:04 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2015 00:02 Xatalos wrote:
Not sure where you would get that picture GB?


You've asked Ritoky if he agreed on a team that didn't have Rayn


Dont badger him, this is progress.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 15:27 GMT
#1528
On October 25 2015 00:24 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2015 00:04 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 25 2015 00:02 Xatalos wrote:
Not sure where you would get that picture GB?


You've asked Ritoky if he agreed on a team that didn't have Rayn


Dont badger him, this is progress.


Lol
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 24 2015 15:30 GMT
#1529
On October 25 2015 00:16 Xatalos wrote:
That wasn't a scumteam, it was just asking his opinion on several players.


Oh okay.
I'm adorable.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-24 15:44:52
October 24 2015 15:43 GMT
#1530
Day 2 post is probably going to be late, could be up to 1 hour late. Whatever is the case, do NOT post after deadline, in at 21:00 GMT (+00:00). The day post will be up as soon as possible.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 24 2015 16:08 GMT
#1531
On October 24 2015 18:04 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 08:58 Chromatically wrote:
I think I'm probably wrong about a lot of things this game, so I'm planning on reevaluating everything this night.

A lot of the criticism of me is that I'm posting "mechanically" and not interacting with the thread much, and I think that's fair but not something that makes me mafia. I'm trying to put my thoughts in the thread in a clear way, which is probably what people see as mechanical. People have also just kind of ignored the things I post for a lot of this game, so it's a bit difficult to interact with the thread (for example, my whole post on Xatalos was totally ignored by everyone). Maybe that's just because the stuff I was posting was bad and I think that's probably true honestly so I'll try to make it less bad.


Well, sorry to say this, but your cases / big posts have been rather unremarkable so far. At least with both the ritoky case and the case on me, I don't think there was really anything noteworthy? Not really sure if you even believed so yourself, looking at how you just went along with the flow and didn't really push / develop either case through discussion?

I'll need to relook at you before my possible death though. In the meanwhile, it would be nice if you could post your reconsidered stuff. Preferably with the thought processes you had and considerations for meta / overall motivations, not just general scum traits applied to particular posts.

Yeah, I really liked them when I posted them but I started not feeling very good about them after. Like they were logically still correct in my mind and so I felt like I should but I didn't really want to push them especially since everyone else didn't like them.

I'm working on the stuff now, I don't have anything really to do today so I should have the goods before night.

Also I've been trying make my posts serious but everyone says I can't have fun now Guys... I can be fun too I promise...
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 24 2015 16:12 GMT
#1532
On October 24 2015 17:44 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 11:15 gumshoe wrote:
Ritoky's switch onto Onegu last second makes very little sense as scum, if Onegu is town and gets bussed last sec, Ritoky looks terrible. If Onegue is scum, he just helped kill his teamate 0_0 seems like a dumb and unnecessary risk when town is already fixated on slam.

It's possible Ritoky was super confident Bh's lynch wouldn't go through, but then why bother at all? Just to distance himself from the slam lynch? Could backfire huge if Onegu actually did get lynched (would look like a last second buss off of Ritoky's buddy slam)


Hm yes... That makes some sense. Although I think BH is more towny for starting the whole shenanigans in that situation. If he was scum and either rayn or Onegu was scum, it was madness. Even if they were both town (unlikely), it was just an unnecessary action that could cause trouble for him if a switch actually succeeded.

The only way I see it making sense for scum BH (or scum ritoky) is if they were very certain that nothing would come out of it and it would plausibly buy them credibility. That's not even entirely impossible, considering what ended up happening. Still, that seems a lot less likely if either rayn or Onegu was scum (likely).

I'm not sure I agree with this logic on switching overall. If the switch goes through and they lynch Onegu/rayn/me as town, they can say "Well, they looked bad so it made sense. Whoops!" and then have a very easy target (Slam) to push for D2. That's not that it makes it more likely from mafia, but I don't think it's necessarily town.

If Onegu ends up being mafia then BH isn't, but that's getting into murky waters.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 17:22 GMT
#1533
Hmmm... Well, it's still kind of unnecessary and risky to cause shenanigans at the deadline when things are already going as they want. Naturally it's not so bad if every candidate was town anyway, but again, I doubt it.

Chromatically... I'm undecided about right now. It kind of feels like he puts a constant effort into the game, and does stuff, but none of it's that impactful. I guess it's the fact that it's hard to see anything that couldn't be from scum, and that's always concerning combined with activity. Still, it's not like there's anything decisively scummy....

marv made some meta point against Chromatically that didn't really feel convincing... Hmm.

I guess it's wait and see. If I had to say, I guess I'd say he's scum (PoE / a bit too underwhelming considering the activity), but it's not strong enough to assert he has to be scum, and there's still the whole D2 to see from him.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 17:54 GMT
#1534
Without a godly counter-reason from marv, I still think rayn has the highest chances of flipping scum. There are just too many things that don't make sense from town rayn.

1) Giving hard town reads with too much ease and certainty considering the thread content - mainly talking abut ritoky and GB here - which suggests TMI and the confidence that only scum would have with perfect information

2) Reverting said town reads and 100% scumreading those players based on the same filters he earlier used to call them town (sheeping thread sentiment) - this suggests he's not reading the thread and/or his views are decided by the flow of the votes rather than facts

3) Calling me 100% scum because of my vote on him, just like last time he was scum against me (it literally went into full OMGUS mode after he noticed it both here and there)

4) Constantly misrepresenting Slam's play as "trolling" when, in fact, Slam was extremely serious and insightful here compared to his usual self (just looking like an excuse for why the lynch wasn't bad when it actually was)

5) There's really nothing noteworthy or even passable in rayn's posts yet.. He pushed clear town Slam and clear town Xatalos for flimsy reasoning, and he hasn't really done anything since....

Much better should be expected from town rayn, and all this falls in line with his scum play.

It's not 100%, so don't just blindly lynch him, but I think it's the best option at the moment. That's my last will.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22180 Posts
October 24 2015 18:38 GMT
#1535
I'm almost done writing this goddamn weekly protocol, hung over
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 24 2015 19:12 GMT
#1536
Alright I feel like I maybe actually know what's going on, a little bit.

I've been on team rayn but I think I should have been on team Xatalos. Xatalos is like definitely town now, given the way he's posted around deadline and his obvious effort to figure stuff out in N1. I'm looking much much harder at rayn. I think I was kind of giving him a pass on what he was saying because I agreed with his conclusions. #flipthosereads

I want to look at more stuff in depth before posting more definitive reads in an attempt to avoid looking like more of an idiot (whoops) but I'll try to put something out before N1 ends? Not sure how important that is though because I think I might be a bit of a suboptimal kill here.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22180 Posts
October 24 2015 19:49 GMT
#1537
I think I'm going to sleep before deadline.

Chrom why does it have to team rayn or team xatalos?
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 24 2015 20:05 GMT
#1538
It was just a kind of silly way to put it, but a lot of D1 was rayn/marv arguing with Xatalos/ritoky/Slam over stuff. I was agreeing with rayn's side of things during the day (Xatalos/ritoky are mafia, rayn is town) but I think I agree more with Xatalos now (Xatalos/ritoky town). marv is probably town either way. I want to say rayn is mafia, but I'm not sure on that at all and I'm still looking into it.

I do have another person that I've been looking at and I'm like pretty sure on them being mafia. I'll post something big about them at some point, probably after I've looked into rayn.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 20:18 GMT
#1539
Who is it, Chromatically...? Would be interesting to hear.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 20:19 GMT
#1540
Before I die, I mean.

Somewhat likely.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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