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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 22 2015 21:48 GMT
#647
On October 23 2015 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##unvote
#vote ritoky


not gonna change my vote. ritoky is scum.
good night.

what a bunch of crap he is writing.


wot mate >.>
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 22 2015 21:54 GMT
#651
Meh... maybe rayn could be scum after all? He seems a bit too similar to his last scumgame on VS. There his reads were mostly unexplained and the read progressions were rather hard to understand. He also was quite nitpicky / aggressive towards things that weren't necessarily scummy at all. It's an uncomfortable feeling I got from the last pages.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 22 2015 21:55 GMT
#652
BH
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 22 2015 22:02 GMT
#657
On October 23 2015 06:52 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 06:47 Xatalos wrote:
So instead of what's stupid, what do you think is... scummy/towny?

I liked marv's pressure of GB. I had issue with what GB posted myself and it makes me feel better about him.

GB, on the other hand, hasn't posted anything outside of what I believe he could post as mafia, so I'm still quite suspicious of him.


Hm... I guess I agree. Though doesn't your last sentence make him null instead of suspicious?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 22 2015 22:04 GMT
#658
Well, I guess... GB's filter really seems rather unspectacular.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 22 2015 22:05 GMT
#660
On October 23 2015 07:05 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 07:02 Xatalos wrote:
On October 23 2015 06:52 yamato77 wrote:
On October 23 2015 06:47 Xatalos wrote:
So instead of what's stupid, what do you think is... scummy/towny?

I liked marv's pressure of GB. I had issue with what GB posted myself and it makes me feel better about him.

GB, on the other hand, hasn't posted anything outside of what I believe he could post as mafia, so I'm still quite suspicious of him.


Hm... I guess I agree. Though doesn't your last sentence make him null instead of suspicious?

No, it makes him suspicious.


Ok? :D
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 22 2015 22:08 GMT
#664
Hm. I mean... town rayn can be aggressive, but it's usually more focused on specifically scummy things and quite "tunnely". Like a bull seeing red and then attacking until it's dead. From my last scum experience with rayn, he shifted his stances a lot, in weird and unexplained ways. It was more like searching for an angle of attack rather than attacking something suspicious. I get an eerily similar feeling from him this game :/
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 22 2015 22:08 GMT
#665
On October 23 2015 07:06 ritoky wrote:
town:
ritoky
BH
slam
marv
hopeless

green side of null:
xata
vivax


Slam and Hopeless are town why?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 22 2015 22:11 GMT
#671
On October 23 2015 07:10 yamato77 wrote:
RE: GB

Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 00:29 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 23 2015 00:13 marvellosity wrote:
On October 23 2015 00:13 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 22 2015 23:56 marvellosity wrote:
because most of town aren't retards and/or mafia?


So you think he is town based on what?

reading the thread


Well, I think he is mafia because he is assuming things in absolutes. I'm used to see Vivax being paranoid town and him giving a bunch of town reads right out of the blue does not looks like his standard gameplay.

literally town Vivax to a tee

mafia Viv is a little bitch


LOL
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 22 2015 22:12 GMT
#674
Has anyone played with town rayn in like the last months? Has he become this... "shifty", hard to grasp as town too?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 22 2015 22:19 GMT
#684
On October 23 2015 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 07:05 yamato77 wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:02 Xatalos wrote:
On October 23 2015 06:52 yamato77 wrote:
On October 23 2015 06:47 Xatalos wrote:
So instead of what's stupid, what do you think is... scummy/towny?

I liked marv's pressure of GB. I had issue with what GB posted myself and it makes me feel better about him.

GB, on the other hand, hasn't posted anything outside of what I believe he could post as mafia, so I'm still quite suspicious of him.


Hm... I guess I agree. Though doesn't your last sentence make him null instead of suspicious?

No, it makes him suspicious.

yamato i am pretty sure GlowingBear is town here. Basically he says really scummy shit that makes absolutely no sense as mafia, because he doesn't really know what to do at all (i assume). Here he has some sort of a thought process going on in his head. Basically it's highly unlike he is scum here.

Same goes for Hopeless, he tried to do stuff. He is just doing it in his own way that looks scummy to basically everyone.. always.

I am really really sure ritoky is mafia. I am also quite sure Slam is scum because of process of elimination. Xatalos is probably just really fucking dumb atm, but at least his explanation to BH thing makes some sense, unlike ritoky's. ritoky basically argues that Blazinghand is town based on illogical arguments, or arguments that are easily proven wrong. Like even if he believes those arguments are true the read is shit and arguing the read is good for those things is something that a townie never does.

Last scum is probably Blazinghand or Onegu. I kinda think it's Onegu atm, since Blazinghand seems to be trying to do something and getting something out of his shennies at the start of the game. I don't believe gumshoe is scum, basically his reacation towards me doesn't make any sense as mafia. He is right in that i suually pressure him every game we are in and i know he acts differently when he is scum than when he is town. I just don't see him being scum here.

Vivax is basically his own paranoid town self with a portion of good logical thoughts. marv is almost definitely town. you are almost definitely town. Chromatically seems to be the most level headed person in this game. It's like not totally out of question he is scum here but most likely he is just town as his posting suggests.


Do Hopeless/GB just... not do anything at all as scum then? I get the feeling you're giving them a bit too much of a pass... Calling them very likely town.

Same with ritoky, only conversely. I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that he's surely scum based on the RNG percentage thing or something? Or could you explain which part didn't make any sense? I think you meant the part where he said that RNG lynching has better probabilities?

Well, I don't disagree that Onegu or Slam could be scum this game.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 22 2015 22:21 GMT
#686
On October 23 2015 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 07:13 marvellosity wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay after poe i am lynching into:

Blazinghand
Xatalos
Onegu
Alakaslam
ritoky

i am pretty sure we have three mafia there.

i thought you told me ritoky was town?

yeah that was yesterday.


Hm didn't you make this post before the whole issue you had with ritoky? What changed while you slept?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 22 2015 22:24 GMT
#690
On October 23 2015 07:21 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 07:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:17 ritoky wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:13 marvellosity wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay after poe i am lynching into:

Blazinghand
Xatalos
Onegu
Alakaslam
ritoky

i am pretty sure we have three mafia there.

i thought you told me ritoky was town?

yeah that was yesterday.


On October 23 2015 06:53 ritoky wrote:
On October 22 2015 12:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i think ritoky is town tbh


On October 23 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay after poe i am lynching into:

Blazinghand
Xatalos
Onegu
Alakaslam
ritoky

i am pretty sure we have three mafia there.


On October 23 2015 05:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't understand the reads on ritoky. He literally said:
"BH is town until he does something egregious enough to be considered not town."
"generally speaking he doesn't rng as mafia, but i wouldn't put it past him to break meta."

So what? He townreads Blazinghand for something he then says, in the next post, is not a reason to townread Blazinghand`!!?


On October 23 2015 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:39 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I fail to see how i am being "aggressive" here, so could you explain BH?


well, not towards me. You're actually being a little more gentle with me, compared to normal. Normally I'd expect you to end up TRing ritoky for that on your own. Maybe it's been some time since we played together, or my edge is getting dull, but I recall you being pretty good at noticing people's motivations.

ritoky is a really had to read for me and i don't think he has said much of anything that could be in my opinion considered townie.

Maybe it's jsut like you say and other people do not know you as well as i do (and what you can / cannot do as mafia), but still... it's really hard for me to believe both of Xatalos and ritoky actually believe you are town for your actions regarding the rng lynch. I just don't fucking buy it.


nice one bro.


respond.

no


y'know, gonna be honest here. you're the most underwhelming player that people tell me is good on these forums. i just don't see it; maybe i am the one who is so bad i can't comprehend your greatness; but i don't think that's the case.


Well it's quite possible he may just be scum this game. In fact I'm leaning in that direction right now. He can be great as town.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 22 2015 22:24 GMT
#691
On October 23 2015 07:19 Vivax wrote:
Everyone shut up I'm hardclaiming cop


In an all vanilla setup
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 22 2015 22:27 GMT
#695
On October 23 2015 07:25 Vivax wrote:
Anyway I'm gonna try to be the judge of this ritoky rayn stuff and get to the bottom of these two.


Check out rayn's read progression on ritoky throughout the day... I have some difficulty grasping how ritoky became scum while rayn slept even though he was sure town before...? I think ritoky didn't even post during that?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 22 2015 22:29 GMT
#700
Yeah... I think ritoky left the thread before rayn entered, and rayn called ritoky sure scum, and came back to the thread before ritoky... then ritoky was scum? Wot?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 22 2015 22:30 GMT
#701
On October 23 2015 07:27 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 07:24 Xatalos wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:21 ritoky wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:17 ritoky wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:13 marvellosity wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay after poe i am lynching into:

Blazinghand
Xatalos
Onegu
Alakaslam
ritoky

i am pretty sure we have three mafia there.

i thought you told me ritoky was town?

yeah that was yesterday.


On October 23 2015 06:53 ritoky wrote:
On October 22 2015 12:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i think ritoky is town tbh


On October 23 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay after poe i am lynching into:

Blazinghand
Xatalos
Onegu
Alakaslam
ritoky

i am pretty sure we have three mafia there.


On October 23 2015 05:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't understand the reads on ritoky. He literally said:
"BH is town until he does something egregious enough to be considered not town."
"generally speaking he doesn't rng as mafia, but i wouldn't put it past him to break meta."

So what? He townreads Blazinghand for something he then says, in the next post, is not a reason to townread Blazinghand`!!?


On October 23 2015 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:39 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I fail to see how i am being "aggressive" here, so could you explain BH?


well, not towards me. You're actually being a little more gentle with me, compared to normal. Normally I'd expect you to end up TRing ritoky for that on your own. Maybe it's been some time since we played together, or my edge is getting dull, but I recall you being pretty good at noticing people's motivations.

ritoky is a really had to read for me and i don't think he has said much of anything that could be in my opinion considered townie.

Maybe it's jsut like you say and other people do not know you as well as i do (and what you can / cannot do as mafia), but still... it's really hard for me to believe both of Xatalos and ritoky actually believe you are town for your actions regarding the rng lynch. I just don't fucking buy it.


nice one bro.


respond.

no


y'know, gonna be honest here. you're the most underwhelming player that people tell me is good on these forums. i just don't see it; maybe i am the one who is so bad i can't comprehend your greatness; but i don't think that's the case.


Well it's quite possible he may just be scum this game. In fact I'm leaning in that direction right now. He can be great as town.


it's an opinion gathered over many games; not just this one.


ROFL
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 22 2015 22:31 GMT
#702
On October 23 2015 07:29 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah... I think ritoky left the thread before rayn entered, and rayn called ritoky sure scum, and came back to the thread before ritoky... then ritoky was scum? Wot?


EBWOP: first he was sure town, then scum, without anything changing in between
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 22 2015 22:41 GMT
#709
On October 23 2015 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 07:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 23 2015 06:38 ritoky wrote:
On October 23 2015 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 06:27 ritoky wrote:
On October 23 2015 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have a question. Xatalos do you seriously think Blazinghand - as town - believes that lynching by RNG on D1 has the best chances of hitting mafia? Like do you SERIOUSLY believe that?


depending on the setup of the game and the structure of PRs, yes.

really?
when he himself just argued it's less likely to hit mafia then not rng lycnhing?


it's actually equally as likely, so i disagree with your premise entirely.

it's actually really simple. i mean i guess it's pretty simple for me cuz i read like 10 of BH's games in the recent past so i could accurately impersonate him. here's your guide to reading BH:

Did he RNG immediately @ the start of the game: if yes -> 80% chance to be town; if no -> 80% chance to be mafia

Did he push the RNG target or just leave it there like a dead fish: if push -> 95% chance to be town; if dead fish - 50% chance to be mafia

Did he gather reads from people arguing with him about why they are better than RNG: yes - DING DING DING town; i don't know he hasn't given reads - 75% town; no - 50% town

rayn, was this your turning point on ritoky? They're right when saying that ritoky posted nothing between "(rayn thinks) ritoky is town" and "POE lynch list include ritoky".

Yeah as i said that was yesterday. I clearly pointed out (before going to bed) that i dislike Xatalos' & ritoky's reads on BH which i had missed earlier as i was tired. My townread on ritoky before was not based on that at all. I jsut didn't pay attention to his posts because i didn't think he was saying anything interesting. It's like how i treat players who don't say anything interesting (unless something changes)... in every game.

There is absolutely nothing contradicting there, i re-evaluated his posting after i had slept and dug up further and came to conclusion he is mafia, because:
1) His read on BH is bad.
2) His reasoning for his read doesn't even make any sense.for example; he says there is 80% chance BH does this rng thing as town, so there is actually then 20% chance of BH doing that as mafia - by default. When people tell his that "BH could totally do that as mafia" it doesn't affect his read at all. In fact he just pushes the townread further with more illogical arguments, like trying to argue random lynching is as effective as not random lynching, which is a straight out lie, and doesn't even have anything to do with BH's alignment.

So yeah, there is that. That's basically the only thing he has done in this game in addition to now bitching at me.


So if you ignored his posts initially, what made you townread him in the first place?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 22 2015 22:51 GMT
#719
On October 23 2015 07:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 06:45 ritoky wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:44 Xatalos wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:41 ritoky wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:39 Xatalos wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:36 ritoky wrote:
gumshoe might be mafia.


Why?


poorly explained response, forced joke, clear post editing, extra lines at the end of post.


Clear post editing? I agree he's felt a bit "forced" with his entrance.


at start of game mafia more likely to re-read and edit their post than town is. town more prone to be natural. the lines at the end, the changes between capitalizing and not capitalizing, and some other aspects shows he read and edited the post.

this post looked town.


Really? I think it's a pretty general post. I think his stuff about BH was, on the other hand, relatively town... You mean they were scummy in hindsight for you? Meh.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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