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On October 23 2015 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 05:50 Xatalos wrote:On October 23 2015 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 05:39 Blazinghand wrote:On October 23 2015 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I fail to see how i am being "aggressive" here, so could you explain BH? well, not towards me. You're actually being a little more gentle with me, compared to normal. Normally I'd expect you to end up TRing ritoky for that on your own. Maybe it's been some time since we played together, or my edge is getting dull, but I recall you being pretty good at noticing people's motivations. ritoky is a really had to read for me and i don't think he has said much of anything that could be in my opinion considered townie. Maybe it's jsut like you say and other people do not know you as well as i do (and what you can / cannot do as mafia), but still... it's really hard for me to believe both of Xatalos and ritoky actually believe you are town for your actions regarding the rng lynch. I just don't fucking buy it. Really? Well, I guess we'll see as the game goes on. I'm relatively sure I got the right impression, and more so with some of BH's more recent posts. You having the right impressions (assuming it is right) has nothing to do with your towniness. Having the right impression from something you should not have any on the other hand does affect my read on you.
You mean I could have tried to pocket him by giving him an easy townread as scum? Well, I can't deny I haven't done stuff like that as scum. I guess we'll just have to see that's not the case here.
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On October 23 2015 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
because yamato is town.
Oh yeah, I'd also like to know how this read came to be btw
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On October 23 2015 05:55 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 05:51 Xatalos wrote:On October 23 2015 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hopeless could you play properly and post more of your thoughts.
Like i am pretty sure you are town but i am also pretty sure you're gonna get lynched because other people do not know why you are town and nothing i say can possibly change that. So why is he town? Maybe you should let me deal with that...actually something you posted bothered me Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 05:33 Xatalos wrote:On October 23 2015 05:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is absolutely nothing alignment indicative in your rng Blazinghand, you know it, everyone should know it. "Figuring out" something regarding it is a waste of time. Well it's kind of like... Imagine player X. He has a great record of posting a lengthy introduction post as scum when he starts the game, and as town he's so far just immediately jumped in and started posting actual content. Now in a current game he immediately makes a lengthy introduction post. Could he have done it as town to make himself harder to read? Possibly. But I'd still take into account that maybe the meta is repeating itself, no? And if you read my posts, it's not just that about Blazinghand, but more like how he was so excited about the RNG when he's several times before said that it's pro-town. It would be harder to convey that excitement as scum when he think it's so pro-town clearly. It reads like "lengthy introduction == scum" but BH is not scum because he's excited? What did I miss here?
That X thing was a hypothetical scenario, only related to BH in the sense that meta shouldn't be entirely discarded even if good players are well capable of "breaking meta".
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On October 23 2015 05:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 05:56 Xatalos wrote:On October 23 2015 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
because yamato is town. Oh yeah, I'd also like to know how this read came to be btw From the post you quoted and the post before that.
? :/
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Slam... Damn Slam :D He truly fooled me last game, so I'll refrain from townreading him as easily this time around.
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On October 23 2015 05:59 Hopeless1der wrote:
just so im clear, what is your current read of BH, Xata? town/null/scum?
Town? Like I explained, and also he made some good posts in the recent pages. Better than his RNG stuff actually, in the sense of establishing his innocence.
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I don't really see the Hopeless townread, rayn? His filter seemed pretty... meaningless, so far.
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On October 23 2015 06:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 07:26 Blazinghand wrote:
"would you have done this if you were mafia?" --> the answer to this question is always "yes". I'm willing to lie, cheat, steal, doctor photographs, put items in boxes, fake plane tickets, pretend to have depression, a death in the family, etc, whatever it takes to win regardless of alignment. I'm one of the few players that does not pull punches as mafia. So yes, as mafia, I'd be fully willing to RNG if I percieved it to be a good idea (which it isn't; I've outlined why RNG is pro-town this game) Here is what bothers me Xatalos. You continue to townread Blazinghand fro his rng after he says this.
So? He didn't even seem to realize that RNG-stuff was a "towntell" for him until after we started discussing the topic. What's more, even if he did, it wouldn't be so easy to fake the whole push and argue about it with that kind of conviction if he thought it was counter-productive for his faction (as scum). And well, he has just generally been active and producing posts I like. I don't really feel there's any reason to think he's null, let alone scum.
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Truthfully I'd be more interested to understand your incomprehensible reads on yamato and Hopeless....
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On October 23 2015 06:14 Vivax wrote:
on my way home and phoneposting. am i imagining this or dif gb stop posting when i did as well
GB stopping posting when you do means...?
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On October 23 2015 06:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 06:12 Xatalos wrote:On October 23 2015 06:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 22 2015 07:26 Blazinghand wrote:
"would you have done this if you were mafia?" --> the answer to this question is always "yes". I'm willing to lie, cheat, steal, doctor photographs, put items in boxes, fake plane tickets, pretend to have depression, a death in the family, etc, whatever it takes to win regardless of alignment. I'm one of the few players that does not pull punches as mafia. So yes, as mafia, I'd be fully willing to RNG if I percieved it to be a good idea (which it isn't; I've outlined why RNG is pro-town this game) Here is what bothers me Xatalos. You continue to townread Blazinghand fro his rng after he says this. So? He didn't even seem to realize that RNG-stuff was a "towntell" for him until after we started discussing the topic. What's more, even if he did, it wouldn't be so easy to fake the whole push and argue about it with that kind of conviction if he thought it was counter-productive for his faction (as scum). And well, he has just generally been active and producing posts I like. I don't really feel there's any reason to think he's null, let alone scum. Do you understand this is not about Blazinghand but you? Blazinghand does an rng vote. You townread him for it because you think (1) he wouldn't do that as mafia and (2) he feels excited about it and reasons his rng. (1) He literally says he could do that as mafia. If he is town here he is telling the truth (because why lie), if he is mafia here, well he did that as mafia. Both of the arguments on his faction should cancel your townread by default. (2) Blazinghand's argument for why rng is pro-town is literally bullshit and anyone who reads his posts knows that. I don't think that's alignment indicative for him, because he would defend the rng lynch he so likes as either alignment. You however fail to realize his argument for rng lynch being pro-town is literally "rng lynch hits mafia only slightly less than non-rng lynch". In fact, hey.. that makes rng lynch NOT PRO TOWN. This should cancel your townread on him aswell. Now, why did it not?
Uh... You kind of missed the point. You said that he "so likes as either alignment", which is false. He seems to love it as town, but not as scum, which is... not "as either alignment". I understand that it's not impossible for him to have faked all of that in the hopes of gathering town credibility. However, it's not that likely because 1) he apparently didn't realize he would be given credibility for doing it, and there hasn't been any proof yet that he in fact would have realized it beforehand - as far as I see, the whole issue was brought up only AFTER he did it in this game 2) even if that was his master plan all along, it's still not as likely since he would be A) undermining, at least in his clear belief, the chances of his team by doing that - without any likely good effect - and B) it's not as easy to push something like that when you don't believe in it yourself (which he wouldn't be as scum).
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On October 23 2015 06:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 06:14 Xatalos wrote:
Truthfully I'd be more interested to understand your incomprehensible reads on yamato and Hopeless.... I don't think explaining my reads on them important at the moment, unless you want to call either of them or me mafia.
To be frank, I don't think either of them have any big scummy things at the moment. It's just that the process of elimination is leading me to them so I'd like to know why you think they're clearly town.
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On October 23 2015 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have a question. Xatalos do you seriously think Blazinghand - as town - believes that lynching by RNG on D1 has the best chances of hitting mafia? Like do you SERIOUSLY believe that?
All I can say that he's genuinely pushed that thing in all of his recent town games... And said that he likes the idea in those games... It's not like I think it's the way to go myself, except for the fun factor I guess, but he really seems to like that as town. At least as a discussion starter / fall-back option  What's more, it would really be terrible to do as scum. Think about it... If the RNG hit your teammate, you'd be in an extremely bad position. You'd have to pressure your teammate all D1, quite likely making him falter in some way, in the worst case revealing both of you at the same time.
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On October 23 2015 06:30 Chromatically wrote:
Here's a better question imo: do you really think that BH would have a problem arguing the benefits of RNG lynch as mafia?
He wouldn't have any problem doing that at all, given that he's done the exact same thing many times before and RNG lynch is by definition completely independent of BH's alignment.
Well, read my last post.... Also, like I said, even if it might sound good in theory, he hasn't done that so far in his scumgames and it wouldn't probably be as easy in practise ESPECIALLY if the RNG hit his teammate.
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On October 23 2015 06:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 06:34 Xatalos wrote:On October 23 2015 06:30 Chromatically wrote:
Here's a better question imo: do you really think that BH would have a problem arguing the benefits of RNG lynch as mafia?
He wouldn't have any problem doing that at all, given that he's done the exact same thing many times before and RNG lynch is by definition completely independent of BH's alignment. Well, read my last post.... Also, like I said, even if it might sound good in theory, he hasn't done that so far in his scumgames and it wouldn't probably be as easy in practise ESPECIALLY if the RNG hit his teammate. Do you feel like Blazinghand is pressuring me at the moment? Do you feel like i feel pressured? Do you thin kanyone whould feel pressured if the rng landed on them?
Well, you did react a bit when you entered the thread. I think someone less experienced could well fall into panic as scum. In my first Mafia game there was a random vote pile on my teammate and he basically revealed himself by reacting weirdly.
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I mean, the votes were given to him before he had even made a single post.
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On October 23 2015 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 06:37 Xatalos wrote:On October 23 2015 06:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 06:34 Xatalos wrote:On October 23 2015 06:30 Chromatically wrote:
Here's a better question imo: do you really think that BH would have a problem arguing the benefits of RNG lynch as mafia?
He wouldn't have any problem doing that at all, given that he's done the exact same thing many times before and RNG lynch is by definition completely independent of BH's alignment. Well, read my last post.... Also, like I said, even if it might sound good in theory, he hasn't done that so far in his scumgames and it wouldn't probably be as easy in practise ESPECIALLY if the RNG hit his teammate. Do you feel like Blazinghand is pressuring me at the moment? Do you feel like i feel pressured? Do you thin kanyone whould feel pressured if the rng landed on them? Well, you did react a bit when you entered the thread. I think someone less experienced could well fall into panic as scum. In my first Mafia game there was a random vote pile on my teammate and he basically revealed himself by reacting weirdly. okay who would you say in this game would feel pressured, as in who are these "new scum players" you would refer to here?
gumshoe at least? What I've seen of his scumplay, it's extremely lacking. Not too sure about how good each player's scumgame is in this game. Well, it's a good point that if the scumteam was something like BH/rayn/marv, then it wouldn't be very risky at all. Still, even an experienced player might make some sort of weird reaction if he's never before been in a similar situation.
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And in any case, going for that RNG plan limits your options and brings attention to yourself in the early game. Not really things scum would like, and looking at BH's scumgames, not even he seems to like that.
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So instead of what's stupid, what do you think is... scummy/towny?
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