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I think the scumteam has to be in GB/Onegu/hopeless/ritoky... Chromatically has looked quite good lately, so it's likely not him.
I doubt there's much benefit to clearly consolidating? There's potential to more information if the situation is uncertain (hard choices for scum).
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As for why I included ritoky, it's because his contributions have steadily dropped throughout the game, and maybe rayn was right with his cases. I'll have to reread rayn's stuff before deciding though.
hopeless could be town (or scum), but looks like he's just being lazy and maybe modkilled? I don't think he's the priority in this group.
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Tbh all of GB/Onegu/ritoky have suggested lynches that are "out there" recently.... And dunno what hopeless will do.. But I guess it's hard without any real thread control...
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I guess Onegu/GB makes more sense with this turn of events? (Onegu gunning for hopeless)
And yeah, it's odd to ignore rayn's top scumread while otherwise relying on his reads to that extent...
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On October 30 2015 01:32 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 00:44 Xatalos wrote:
Dunno... It just feels like he throws scum/townreads around too casually. This Xatalos/hopeless thing now too... Ignoring rayn's scumreads on GB/ritoky.... And instead pushing us two.. Why? The main reason is because I am scum reading you two more. GB needs looked at also, but I feel multiple people scum read GB maybe he shoots rayn, but only rayn and myself were scum reading you. Rayn had the clout that I dont to actually lynch you.
I really doubt rayn could have ever gotten me lynched... If the kill was motivated by his reads, I'd imagine it's because there's scum within ritoky/GB/hopeless (mostly GB/ritoky since the hopeless suspicion was just some PoE one-liner at the very end). If I was in the scumteam, I'd just have left him to be mislynched as he was already almost lynched during D1 and D2.
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All the more so for surviving until LYLO 
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Currently GB is getting lynched... Can't really convince myself to push Onegu over GB. In any case, both probably need to be lynched. I can even move my vote to GB if there's some demand/reasoning for that order?
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Btw gumshoe what was the Vivax scumread about? (might have missed it though) What do you think about GB's push on Vivax in relation to that? Long-term bussing?
Also what did you think about rayn's case on ritoky? There's this on D1...
On October 23 2015 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 07:31 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 23 2015 06:38 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 06:27 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have a question. Xatalos do you seriously think Blazinghand - as town - believes that lynching by RNG on D1 has the best chances of hitting mafia? Like do you SERIOUSLY believe that? depending on the setup of the game and the structure of PRs, yes. really? when he himself just argued it's less likely to hit mafia then not rng lycnhing? it's actually equally as likely, so i disagree with your premise entirely. it's actually really simple. i mean i guess it's pretty simple for me cuz i read like 10 of BH's games in the recent past so i could accurately impersonate him. here's your guide to reading BH: Did he RNG immediately @ the start of the game: if yes -> 80% chance to be town; if no -> 80% chance to be mafia Did he push the RNG target or just leave it there like a dead fish: if push -> 95% chance to be town; if dead fish - 50% chance to be mafia Did he gather reads from people arguing with him about why they are better than RNG: yes - DING DING DING town; i don't know he hasn't given reads - 75% town; no - 50% town rayn, was this your turning point on ritoky? They're right when saying that ritoky posted nothing between "(rayn thinks) ritoky is town" and "POE lynch list include ritoky". Yeah as i said that was yesterday. I clearly pointed out (before going to bed) that i dislike Xatalos' & ritoky's reads on BH which i had missed earlier as i was tired. My townread on ritoky before was not based on that at all. I jsut didn't pay attention to his posts because i didn't think he was saying anything interesting. It's like how i treat players who don't say anything interesting (unless something changes)... in every game. There is absolutely nothing contradicting there, i re-evaluated his posting after i had slept and dug up further and came to conclusion he is mafia, because: 1) His read on BH is bad. 2) His reasoning for his read doesn't even make any sense.for example; he says there is 80% chance BH does this rng thing as town, so there is actually then 20% chance of BH doing that as mafia - by default. When people tell his that "BH could totally do that as mafia" it doesn't affect his read at all. In fact he just pushes the townread further with more illogical arguments, like trying to argue random lynching is as effective as not random lynching, which is a straight out lie, and doesn't even have anything to do with BH's alignment. So yeah, there is that. That's basically the only thing he has done in this game in addition to now bitching at me.
Then this later... Which I didn't quite follow...
On October 26 2015 21:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:Anyways: "O, woe is me, T'have seen what I have seen, see what I see!"+ Show Spoiler +On October 24 2015 04:37 ritoky wrote:
reading the thread...wondering what happened to BH the 2nd half of this phase. On October 23 2015 07:26 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 07:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 07:21 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 07:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 07:17 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 07:13 marvellosity wrote:On October 23 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay after poe i am lynching into:
Blazinghand
Xatalos
Onegu
Alakaslam
ritoky
i am pretty sure we have three mafia there. i thought you told me ritoky was town? yeah that was yesterday. On October 23 2015 06:53 ritoky wrote:On October 22 2015 12:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i think ritoky is town tbh On October 23 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay after poe i am lynching into:
Blazinghand
Xatalos
Onegu
Alakaslam
ritoky
i am pretty sure we have three mafia there. On October 23 2015 05:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't understand the reads on ritoky. He literally said:
"BH is town until he does something egregious enough to be considered not town."
"generally speaking he doesn't rng as mafia, but i wouldn't put it past him to break meta."
So what? He townreads Blazinghand for something he then says, in the next post, is not a reason to townread Blazinghand`!!? On October 23 2015 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 05:39 Blazinghand wrote:On October 23 2015 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I fail to see how i am being "aggressive" here, so could you explain BH? well, not towards me. You're actually being a little more gentle with me, compared to normal. Normally I'd expect you to end up TRing ritoky for that on your own. Maybe it's been some time since we played together, or my edge is getting dull, but I recall you being pretty good at noticing people's motivations. ritoky is a really had to read for me and i don't think he has said much of anything that could be in my opinion considered townie.Maybe it's jsut like you say and other people do not know you as well as i do (and what you can / cannot do as mafia), but still... it's really hard for me to believe both of Xatalos and ritoky actually believe you are town for your actions regarding the rng lynch. I just don't fucking buy it. nice one bro. respond. no y'know, gonna be honest here. you're the most underwhelming player that people tell me is good on these forums. i just don't see it; maybe i am the one who is so bad i can't comprehend your greatness; but i don't think that's the case. I don't talk to people who i think are mafia or will not understand me anyways. i think i am content ignoring everything you say in every game going forward; it doesn't have much value or good reason in it anywayz. I think if i have this convo with someone they think i am mafia, at least they should imo. On October 24 2015 05:00 ritoky wrote:
bh being very sexy to me again right now. probably gonna sheep him. On October 24 2015 05:18 ritoky wrote:
##vote: alakaslam
cuz BH said so. here in between he votes for Onegu (who is btw never gonna get lynched on D1). On October 24 2015 10:02 ritoky wrote:xata is right about this. slam was the least chupazi he has been in recent games. he was in fact significantly more serious than normal resulting in an around a 50% serious post rate which is astounding for him. as desperate as i am to try and ignore everything rayn posts, when he posts for 3 straight pages....anywayz his reaction is overblown and worthless. + Show Spoiler +at least my meta read on slam is still perfect On October 26 2015 18:00 ritoky wrote:
honestly i am tired and whiny and i just wish this game were easier.
i have 1 guy in xata who is either playing 5 steps ahead or in a tunnel potentially filled of rage.
i have 1 guy in yamato who is constantly handing out empty promises.
i have 1 guy in hopeless who might have died irl.
i have 1 guy in rayn who ragequit lyfe, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
i have 1 guy in GB who has never once been so disenfranchised with a mafia game.
i have 1 guy in onegu who has had the tonal shift of the ages.
like why can't this be easier right now? seriously. all i want are town reads that are trying to find mafia. not all of those people can be mafia....and that isn't even considering if there's a sneakster mafia.
i am just tired and want town reads. is this too much to ask for? boohoo... cries.... in... vain...
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Well there's the way Onegu has used both of his votes without caring about the lynch result (especially concerning since rayn/Slam were both town, so scum wouldn't care anyway) - first voting rayn D1 (his highest townread), then wasting his vote D2. He just doesn't care who gets lynched (as long as it's town), completely unconcerned about scumhunting. Also the way he said "marv is really useless because he's pushing Slam" like he knew Slam was town despite nullreading Slam himself, among other things..
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On October 30 2015 05:13 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 04:40 Xatalos wrote:Btw gumshoe what was the Vivax scumread about? (might have missed it though) What do you think about GB's push on Vivax in relation to that? Long-term bussing? Also what did you think about rayn's case on ritoky? There's this on D1... On October 23 2015 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 07:31 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 23 2015 06:38 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 06:27 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have a question. Xatalos do you seriously think Blazinghand - as town - believes that lynching by RNG on D1 has the best chances of hitting mafia? Like do you SERIOUSLY believe that? depending on the setup of the game and the structure of PRs, yes. really? when he himself just argued it's less likely to hit mafia then not rng lycnhing? it's actually equally as likely, so i disagree with your premise entirely. it's actually really simple. i mean i guess it's pretty simple for me cuz i read like 10 of BH's games in the recent past so i could accurately impersonate him. here's your guide to reading BH: Did he RNG immediately @ the start of the game: if yes -> 80% chance to be town; if no -> 80% chance to be mafia Did he push the RNG target or just leave it there like a dead fish: if push -> 95% chance to be town; if dead fish - 50% chance to be mafia Did he gather reads from people arguing with him about why they are better than RNG: yes - DING DING DING town; i don't know he hasn't given reads - 75% town; no - 50% town rayn, was this your turning point on ritoky? They're right when saying that ritoky posted nothing between "(rayn thinks) ritoky is town" and "POE lynch list include ritoky". Yeah as i said that was yesterday. I clearly pointed out (before going to bed) that i dislike Xatalos' & ritoky's reads on BH which i had missed earlier as i was tired. My townread on ritoky before was not based on that at all. I jsut didn't pay attention to his posts because i didn't think he was saying anything interesting. It's like how i treat players who don't say anything interesting (unless something changes)... in every game. There is absolutely nothing contradicting there, i re-evaluated his posting after i had slept and dug up further and came to conclusion he is mafia, because: 1) His read on BH is bad. 2) His reasoning for his read doesn't even make any sense.for example; he says there is 80% chance BH does this rng thing as town, so there is actually then 20% chance of BH doing that as mafia - by default. When people tell his that "BH could totally do that as mafia" it doesn't affect his read at all. In fact he just pushes the townread further with more illogical arguments, like trying to argue random lynching is as effective as not random lynching, which is a straight out lie, and doesn't even have anything to do with BH's alignment. So yeah, there is that. That's basically the only thing he has done in this game in addition to now bitching at me. Then this later... Which I didn't quite follow... On October 26 2015 21:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:Anyways: "O, woe is me, T'have seen what I have seen, see what I see!"+ Show Spoiler +On October 24 2015 04:37 ritoky wrote:
reading the thread...wondering what happened to BH the 2nd half of this phase. On October 23 2015 07:26 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 07:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 07:21 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 07:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 07:17 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 07:13 marvellosity wrote:On October 23 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay after poe i am lynching into:
Blazinghand
Xatalos
Onegu
Alakaslam
ritoky
i am pretty sure we have three mafia there. i thought you told me ritoky was town? yeah that was yesterday. On October 23 2015 06:53 ritoky wrote:On October 22 2015 12:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i think ritoky is town tbh On October 23 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay after poe i am lynching into:
Blazinghand
Xatalos
Onegu
Alakaslam
ritoky
i am pretty sure we have three mafia there. On October 23 2015 05:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't understand the reads on ritoky. He literally said:
"BH is town until he does something egregious enough to be considered not town."
"generally speaking he doesn't rng as mafia, but i wouldn't put it past him to break meta."
So what? He townreads Blazinghand for something he then says, in the next post, is not a reason to townread Blazinghand`!!? On October 23 2015 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 05:39 Blazinghand wrote:On October 23 2015 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I fail to see how i am being "aggressive" here, so could you explain BH? well, not towards me. You're actually being a little more gentle with me, compared to normal. Normally I'd expect you to end up TRing ritoky for that on your own. Maybe it's been some time since we played together, or my edge is getting dull, but I recall you being pretty good at noticing people's motivations. ritoky is a really had to read for me and i don't think he has said much of anything that could be in my opinion considered townie.Maybe it's jsut like you say and other people do not know you as well as i do (and what you can / cannot do as mafia), but still... it's really hard for me to believe both of Xatalos and ritoky actually believe you are town for your actions regarding the rng lynch. I just don't fucking buy it. nice one bro. respond. no y'know, gonna be honest here. you're the most underwhelming player that people tell me is good on these forums. i just don't see it; maybe i am the one who is so bad i can't comprehend your greatness; but i don't think that's the case. I don't talk to people who i think are mafia or will not understand me anyways. i think i am content ignoring everything you say in every game going forward; it doesn't have much value or good reason in it anywayz. I think if i have this convo with someone they think i am mafia, at least they should imo. On October 24 2015 05:00 ritoky wrote:
bh being very sexy to me again right now. probably gonna sheep him. On October 24 2015 05:18 ritoky wrote:
##vote: alakaslam
cuz BH said so. here in between he votes for Onegu (who is btw never gonna get lynched on D1). On October 24 2015 10:02 ritoky wrote:xata is right about this. slam was the least chupazi he has been in recent games. he was in fact significantly more serious than normal resulting in an around a 50% serious post rate which is astounding for him. as desperate as i am to try and ignore everything rayn posts, when he posts for 3 straight pages....anywayz his reaction is overblown and worthless. + Show Spoiler +at least my meta read on slam is still perfect On October 26 2015 18:00 ritoky wrote:
honestly i am tired and whiny and i just wish this game were easier.
i have 1 guy in xata who is either playing 5 steps ahead or in a tunnel potentially filled of rage.
i have 1 guy in yamato who is constantly handing out empty promises.
i have 1 guy in hopeless who might have died irl.
i have 1 guy in rayn who ragequit lyfe, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
i have 1 guy in GB who has never once been so disenfranchised with a mafia game.
i have 1 guy in onegu who has had the tonal shift of the ages.
like why can't this be easier right now? seriously. all i want are town reads that are trying to find mafia. not all of those people can be mafia....and that isn't even considering if there's a sneakster mafia.
i am just tired and want town reads. is this too much to ask for? boohoo... cries.... in... vain... rayn point 1: Reading bh's rng as town is bad: this is a null thing, we feel certain ways about things and use logic to justify those feels, ritoky felt good about bh coming into thread with his rng, and conveyed that to the rest of us, that doesnt make him scum, its just an offense to rayns sensibilities. Also with what we know of Bh now, it was from wrong to town read / : verdict-null point 2 Rayn has an angry convo with ritoky, ritoky still town reads rayn, rayn thinks he should be scum read by someone if they have that sort of convo, again, sensibilities, I town read people I argue with aaaaaall the time verdict-silly rayn point 3 The onegu switch- onegu is never lynched day 1, bad ritoky bh was the first to vote on onegu, someone else was there as well, there was plenty of reason to think onegu might get shenanynied and given what we know now of onegu ritoky trying to lynch him is far from something to be held against him. I almost voted switched to ritoky myself just to avoid the stupid slam lynch. verdict- actually pretty townie. Maybe ritoky is scum this game, but rayns silly arguments from the grave definitely dont make a good case for it / :
Yeah I didn't really get the latter case either...
The first one might have some merit though. At the time I disagreed with rayn, but maybe there's something to it after all... The way how ritoky was so extremely sure that BH was town, even though he said there was like at least a 20% chance that he could have done the RNG thing as scum.
In any case, this is surely a topic for another day.
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But overall I think rayn's case on ritoky is rather weak. It's just mostly PoE for me. I'll never believe gumshoe is scum, and BH has been looking pretty good all game IMO. Chromatically has also looked decent enough, same goes for Vivax. So what's left is GB/Onegu/hopeless/ritoky.
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On October 30 2015 05:20 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 05:15 ritoky wrote:
i already told you about xata gumdrop. and here I was thinking rayn was dead, yet clearly he lives on, hurah -_-
Tbh rayn was only pushing me "out of spite" towards the end I doubt ritoky has any anger towards me.
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On October 30 2015 05:19 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 05:16 Blazinghand wrote:
i'm pretty sure we're just arguing about which of two scum to lynch first so i can't really bring myself to care about this argument, but ritoky I will reread onegu since you insist, and if I were in your position I'd want "sure" people to reread the stuff about the guy I'm TRing. I gotta grab dinner real quick but I'll have an answer for you at least half an hour before deadline you should care, if gb flips town for some dumb reason, then you me or xata die, well have 3 scum plus ritoky vs 3 town and onegu might not get lynched till lylo or something equally disturbing.
Hm...
Magic words?
##Call BH to shenanigans on Onegu
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Well, this vote is interesting. Luckily it's not LYLO so we basically only lose if they're both town (very, very unlikely).
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Yeah it's pretty unbelievable that 2-3 scum wouldn't be in the trio. Not impossible, just unbelievable. It's not at least gumshoe/BH, and probably not Chromatically/Vivax either... All of these 4 are much more likely town than any of the rest IMO... Especially the first 2
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On October 30 2015 06:20 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 06:17 Blazinghand wrote:On October 30 2015 06:16 ritoky wrote:
i think there is no way it is a team of those 3. there's always a sneakster mafia.
onegu/hopeless/x most likely if onegu
gb/x/x most likely if gb. there's gotta be at least 2 scum in there though. who's scum if it's not AT LEAST 2 of those 3? with GB? at least 1 of xata/gumdrop/vivax...maybe 2 of them? dunno. not me, can't be chroma, wouldn't be onegu/hopeless....can't really be BH cuz tried to shennanie GB. so yeah if GB then 2 of gumdrop/xata/vivax.
That team is pretty ridiculous :D
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The situation is hopeless :/
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