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On October 24 2015 05:16 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 01:32 Alakaslam wrote:On October 24 2015 01:17 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 24 2015 01:10 Alakaslam wrote:On October 24 2015 01:04 Hopeless1der wrote:
Surefire ways to get lynched:
1) Tell marv he cant do it. Sure fire way to disappointment: try to lynch an enigma on day 1. With regard to your other question, there is irony; Marv missed the fact that I don't much like your posting this game either. In fact, read my pages. Answer my question so that I can answer yours more fully? Would be interesting So I assume this is the issue On October 23 2015 16:08 Alakaslam wrote:On October 23 2015 06:40 Hopeless1der wrote:
ritoky, where do you stand on gumshoe? More of this hopeless? How is this helping your reads? ritoky had an early "textbook" mafia read of gumshoe (as per chromatically), gumshoe posted more, I wanted to know where ritoky's read ended up because he hadnt updated it and needed to be prompted a couple times. In general, my reads for those three are gumshoe>chromatically>ritoky (in order of townyness) This makes sense. Alright. As for where I am, I just made a post on Marv suspecting chroma, and am starting to think Marv may just be off on reading me specifically and trying to see his pov with less bias. So There is that. BH is someone I would not lynch. I wouldn't lynch ritoky either. I am voting Rayn short of a better alternative, was dead certain but I still recognize that Marv is better than I am at this. He may be scum, but that is based pretty heavily on whether or not Rayn is and I flipped associations are newbie textbook level bad. This issue is my primary focus, you were my secondary and I had no tertiary. In general, Slam's buddying of me makes me pretty nervous cause at this point in time there's no particular reason to townread me Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 01:39 Xatalos wrote:
Tbh my current scumteam would be rayn/marv/Chromatically, but I'm pretty sure I'm wrong on at least one. There are too many people who have done barely anything (Onegu/Hopeless mainly I think, and several others haven't done much later in the day). It's pretty likely there could be scum among that group. yeah i feel no reason to pay attention to you atm if that's your theory. marv obv town Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 01:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:Here is the first thing that made me think Slam is mafia (after my initial vote -- that was really just for PoE and for pressure): Here is a post Slam makes: On October 22 2015 15:25 Alakaslam wrote:On October 22 2015 14:22 ritoky wrote:On October 22 2015 13:27 Chromatically wrote:
and he used the same picture here so I think that's pretty much a slam dunk case. played 1 game with you, you spent all game calling me mafia for posting nonsense, i spent all game calling you mafia. you were mafia, i was town. so i think that's pretty much a slam dunk case. I was lampshadinf this idea. There is no case in the post chroma made. Also Rayn, you throwing your vote away is suspicious. You know I am unlynchable until Lylo, why are you parking your vote on LHF? This is however not what he thinks as town. This is what he thinks as town: On September 04 2015 06:19 Alakaslam wrote:
I will be universally town read:
All game if town
Until day 2 if scum Therefore his "defense" on himself makes sense from scum perspective, as he thinks noone can catch him if he is scum. It also makes him "being able to do whatever he wants". He later on decides i am scum for: On October 23 2015 16:14 Alakaslam wrote:On October 23 2015 16:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 16:01 GlowingBear wrote:
I seriously don't understand why I'm being scumread.
Could you please enlighten me? Because you are pushing a bad reasoned read. Because the way you defend yourself is exactly what you do as scum. Because you said you reda the thread but you actually didn't, not even close. Rayn, you are filling your "everyone else is so scum j can't decide" scum meta this is not what i am doing, however much Xatalos wants to claim so. It doesn't make it true. On October 23 2015 16:19 Alakaslam wrote:On October 23 2015 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 07:05 yamato77 wrote:On October 23 2015 07:02 Xatalos wrote:On October 23 2015 06:52 yamato77 wrote:On October 23 2015 06:47 Xatalos wrote:
So instead of what's stupid, what do you think is... scummy/towny? I liked marv's pressure of GB. I had issue with what GB posted myself and it makes me feel better about him. GB, on the other hand, hasn't posted anything outside of what I believe he could post as mafia, so I'm still quite suspicious of him. Hm... I guess I agree. Though doesn't your last sentence make him null instead of suspicious? No, it makes him suspicious. yamato i am pretty sure GlowingBear is town here. Basically he says really scummy shit that makes absolutely no sense as mafia, because he doesn't really know what to do at all (i assume). Here he has some sort of a thought process going on in his head. Basically it's highly unlike he is scum here. Same goes for Hopeless, he tried to do stuff. He is just doing it in his own way that looks scummy to basically everyone.. always. I am really really sure ritoky is mafia. I am also quite sure Slam is scum because of process of elimination. Xatalos is probably just really fucking dumb atm, but at least his explanation to BH thing makes some sense, unlike ritoky's. ritoky basically argues that Blazinghand is town based on illogical arguments, or arguments that are easily proven wrong. Like even if he believes those arguments are true the read is shit and arguing the read is good for those things is something that a townie never does. Last scum is probably Blazinghand or Onegu. I kinda think it's Onegu atm, since Blazinghand seems to be trying to do something and getting something out of his shennies at the start of the game. I don't believe gumshoe is scum, basically his reacation towards me doesn't make any sense as mafia. He is right in that i suually pressure him every game we are in and i know he acts differently when he is scum than when he is town. I just don't see him being scum here. Vivax is basically his own paranoid town self with a portion of good logical thoughts. marv is almost definitely town. you are almost definitely town. Chromatically seems to be the most level headed person in this game. It's like not totally out of question he is scum here but most likely he is just town as his posting suggests. Opinion all over the place this is not "opinion all over the place". It's a very clear post that follows my filter and my thought process 100%. There is nothing "all over the place" here. Literally. On October 23 2015 16:30 Alakaslam wrote:On October 23 2015 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 07:31 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 23 2015 06:38 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 06:27 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have a question. Xatalos do you seriously think Blazinghand - as town - believes that lynching by RNG on D1 has the best chances of hitting mafia? Like do you SERIOUSLY believe that? depending on the setup of the game and the structure of PRs, yes. really? when he himself just argued it's less likely to hit mafia then not rng lycnhing? it's actually equally as likely, so i disagree with your premise entirely. it's actually really simple. i mean i guess it's pretty simple for me cuz i read like 10 of BH's games in the recent past so i could accurately impersonate him. here's your guide to reading BH: Did he RNG immediately @ the start of the game: if yes -> 80% chance to be town; if no -> 80% chance to be mafia Did he push the RNG target or just leave it there like a dead fish: if push -> 95% chance to be town; if dead fish - 50% chance to be mafia Did he gather reads from people arguing with him about why they are better than RNG: yes - DING DING DING town; i don't know he hasn't given reads - 75% town; no - 50% town rayn, was this your turning point on ritoky? They're right when saying that ritoky posted nothing between "(rayn thinks) ritoky is town" and "POE lynch list include ritoky". Yeah as i said that was yesterday. I clearly pointed out (before going to bed) that i dislike Xatalos' & ritoky's reads on BH which i had missed earlier as i was tired. My townread on ritoky before was not based on that at all. I jsut didn't pay attention to his posts because i didn't think he was saying anything interesting. It's like how i treat players who don't say anything interesting (unless something changes)... in every game. There is absolutely nothing contradicting there, i re-evaluated his posting after i had slept and dug up further and came to conclusion he is mafia, because: 1) His read on BH is bad. 2) His reasoning for his read doesn't even make any sense.for example; he says there is 80% chance BH does this rng thing as town, so there is actually then 20% chance of BH doing that as mafia - by default. When people tell his that "BH could totally do that as mafia" it doesn't affect his read at all. In fact he just pushes the townread further with more illogical arguments, like trying to argue random lynching is as effective as not random lynching, which is a straight out lie, and doesn't even have anything to do with BH's alignment. So yeah, there is that. That's basically the only thing he has done in this game in addition to now bitching at me. See you don't do this stuff as town Now this is the most interesting part. Again i have literally done the same thing in my last two games: Battle of the Drams - where i ignored GlowingBear's and rsoultin's posting until they started saying something interesting / scummy -- that's what i have been doing lately because i don't want to argue with everyone and i can actually trust certain players' reads on them. Firefly - where i ignored GlowingBear (until yamato called him sure scum) and Cake -- for similar reason than in Drams. Now Slam even played in the earlier game and i actually did many 180's in that game, i even flip-flopped my read on himself for like two days, because i couldn't decide if he is mafia or not. The point here is Slam should know i do the stuff he claims i am mafia for as town -- and says i don't do it. Not gonna fly Slam, you're scum. Slam's theory on his lynch time as well as his "critique" of your post are both way off. It's possible at the time (and at this point, as far as people knew, I was gonna be on Rayn like a dog on an ass-flavored biscuit) he thought he could roll into the wagon I was driving and hide. Although I think it's more telling that ritoky had been in cell than any of this other stuff, rayn's reaosning seems solid and slam's meta case seems wrong. So I'm gonna say "slam is one hundo percent wrong on rayn, and kinda obviously wrong, and also lying about his own meta". I like where this case is going. I'm dropping down a vote on slam tentatively until I'm caught up. ##vote: Alakaslam
I already said that I can tentatively buy your meta case, though. How should I know that marv has been not playing as scum in his last games? I haven't seen those games. I don't see how me not being all-knowing of recent games makes me not worth listening to at all.
If that's your decision, then I guess it's hard to overturn the lynch at this point... But it's still one of the worse lynches available, so it's kind of sad. The scumteam would have to be something stupid like Slam/gumshoe/GB or Slam/gumshoe/ritoky or Slam/GB/ritoky for it to make real sense. None of those teams are likely at all, and every potential scum candidate voted for Slam quickly when the opportunity came.
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On October 24 2015 05:19 marvellosity wrote:
best two reasons to lynch slam:
1. he said he couldn't be lynched d1
2. piss xata off
lol
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Oh, there's Onegu too I guess.
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It looks like the lynch is set... Well, it doesn't make much sense for Slam to flip scum with this vote progression, and it makes all the more sense for rayn to be scum (with Slam being the scum counter-wagon).
marv, how is competence decided by the games which you have played? That's the same as calling you incompetent because you didn't play in the VS games.
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On October 24 2015 05:28 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 05:27 Xatalos wrote:
It looks like the lynch is set... Well, it doesn't make much sense for Slam to flip scum with this vote progression, and it makes all the more sense for rayn to be scum (with Slam being the scum counter-wagon).
marv, how is competence decided by the games which you have played? That's the same as calling you incompetent because you didn't play in the VS games. do you think BH is scum?
Not really, why?
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Let me explain my thought.... As the day progressed, there were a ton of votes distributed around. A lot of players were kind of switching back and forth and around to other suspects. This all changed when rayn became the leading wagon. Suddenly new votes started piling on Slam until rayn was "safe", and basically everyone in my PoE list went to Slam according to this rayn-saving flow. That's one of the major reasons why I think the lynch is scum rayn and town Slam.
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On October 24 2015 05:31 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 05:28 Xatalos wrote:On October 24 2015 05:28 ritoky wrote:On October 24 2015 05:27 Xatalos wrote:
It looks like the lynch is set... Well, it doesn't make much sense for Slam to flip scum with this vote progression, and it makes all the more sense for rayn to be scum (with Slam being the scum counter-wagon).
marv, how is competence decided by the games which you have played? That's the same as calling you incompetent because you didn't play in the VS games. do you think BH is scum? Not really, why? if you're thinking unflipped associations; i would assume you have considered: BH pushes his RNG lynch really hard when he is town doing it -> he RNG'd rayn -> rayn is in legitimate threat of being lynched -> BH stops pushing for rayn, says sad about TR him -> pushes on slam. i would feel like you would be sketched out a bit by BH's progression if you think rayn is so firmly mafia. certainly way more than marv's progression.
Hm... I guess that's not impossible. I think it was a bit odd how BH unvoted rayn just when rayn became the leading wagon. There are still reasons to townread BH though.
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On October 24 2015 05:32 marvellosity wrote:
rayn never had more than 3 votes
at least one of which was BH's RNG
He was still set to be lynched. Just before the Slam wagon started in full force.
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On October 24 2015 05:36 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 05:35 Xatalos wrote:On October 24 2015 05:31 ritoky wrote:On October 24 2015 05:28 Xatalos wrote:On October 24 2015 05:28 ritoky wrote:On October 24 2015 05:27 Xatalos wrote:
It looks like the lynch is set... Well, it doesn't make much sense for Slam to flip scum with this vote progression, and it makes all the more sense for rayn to be scum (with Slam being the scum counter-wagon).
marv, how is competence decided by the games which you have played? That's the same as calling you incompetent because you didn't play in the VS games. do you think BH is scum? Not really, why? if you're thinking unflipped associations; i would assume you have considered: BH pushes his RNG lynch really hard when he is town doing it -> he RNG'd rayn -> rayn is in legitimate threat of being lynched -> BH stops pushing for rayn, says sad about TR him -> pushes on slam. i would feel like you would be sketched out a bit by BH's progression if you think rayn is so firmly mafia. certainly way more than marv's progression. Hm... I guess that's not impossible. I think it was a bit odd how BH unvoted rayn just when rayn became the leading wagon. There are still reasons to townread BH though. like there aren't to townread me? lmao i love your "i don't know what marv did in previous games" when BH explained to you what i did, and told you the game, and you could have gone and looked but no, you went to your VS game and posted a load of shit noone gave a fuck about it top play xata top fucking play
What now? I did tentatively agree with BH's meta case, since it seems like a quite plausible reason to give you a townread.
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Are you still angry about my post about rayn/marv/Chromatically scumteam? That was ages ago and not my current thought at all.
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On October 24 2015 05:39 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 05:38 Xatalos wrote:On October 24 2015 05:36 marvellosity wrote:On October 24 2015 05:35 Xatalos wrote:On October 24 2015 05:31 ritoky wrote:On October 24 2015 05:28 Xatalos wrote:On October 24 2015 05:28 ritoky wrote:On October 24 2015 05:27 Xatalos wrote:
It looks like the lynch is set... Well, it doesn't make much sense for Slam to flip scum with this vote progression, and it makes all the more sense for rayn to be scum (with Slam being the scum counter-wagon).
marv, how is competence decided by the games which you have played? That's the same as calling you incompetent because you didn't play in the VS games. do you think BH is scum? Not really, why? if you're thinking unflipped associations; i would assume you have considered: BH pushes his RNG lynch really hard when he is town doing it -> he RNG'd rayn -> rayn is in legitimate threat of being lynched -> BH stops pushing for rayn, says sad about TR him -> pushes on slam. i would feel like you would be sketched out a bit by BH's progression if you think rayn is so firmly mafia. certainly way more than marv's progression. Hm... I guess that's not impossible. I think it was a bit odd how BH unvoted rayn just when rayn became the leading wagon. There are still reasons to townread BH though. like there aren't to townread me? lmao i love your "i don't know what marv did in previous games" when BH explained to you what i did, and told you the game, and you could have gone and looked but no, you went to your VS game and posted a load of shit noone gave a fuck about it top play xata top fucking play What now? I did tentatively agree with BH's meta case, since it seems like a quite plausible reason to give you a townread. he talked about it in his first spate of posting at the start of d1.
Yes, but I forgot that post as we got into the argument between me/rayn/Slam. Or before that really, while I was doing exams and thinking about other stuff. I never wanted to lynch you anyway. It just disturbed me how you defended rayn for non-existent/vague reasons, ran out of arguments and told me to just sheep you quietly, and had many of your reads opposite of me.
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On October 24 2015 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 05:42 Xatalos wrote:On October 24 2015 05:39 marvellosity wrote:On October 24 2015 05:38 Xatalos wrote:On October 24 2015 05:36 marvellosity wrote:On October 24 2015 05:35 Xatalos wrote:On October 24 2015 05:31 ritoky wrote:On October 24 2015 05:28 Xatalos wrote:On October 24 2015 05:28 ritoky wrote:On October 24 2015 05:27 Xatalos wrote:
It looks like the lynch is set... Well, it doesn't make much sense for Slam to flip scum with this vote progression, and it makes all the more sense for rayn to be scum (with Slam being the scum counter-wagon).
marv, how is competence decided by the games which you have played? That's the same as calling you incompetent because you didn't play in the VS games. do you think BH is scum? Not really, why? if you're thinking unflipped associations; i would assume you have considered: BH pushes his RNG lynch really hard when he is town doing it -> he RNG'd rayn -> rayn is in legitimate threat of being lynched -> BH stops pushing for rayn, says sad about TR him -> pushes on slam. i would feel like you would be sketched out a bit by BH's progression if you think rayn is so firmly mafia. certainly way more than marv's progression. Hm... I guess that's not impossible. I think it was a bit odd how BH unvoted rayn just when rayn became the leading wagon. There are still reasons to townread BH though. like there aren't to townread me? lmao i love your "i don't know what marv did in previous games" when BH explained to you what i did, and told you the game, and you could have gone and looked but no, you went to your VS game and posted a load of shit noone gave a fuck about it top play xata top fucking play What now? I did tentatively agree with BH's meta case, since it seems like a quite plausible reason to give you a townread. he talked about it in his first spate of posting at the start of d1. Yes, but I forgot that post as we got into the argument between me/rayn/Slam. Or before that really, while I was doing exams and thinking about other stuff. I never wanted to lynch you anyway. It just disturbed me how you defended rayn for non-existent/vague reasons, ran out of arguments and told me to just sheep you quietly, and had many of your reads opposite of me. and why exactly is this not a scumtell anymore`?
I'm willing to let it slide for the time being if his current scum meta is to not play and concede as soon as possible.
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On October 24 2015 05:42 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 05:05 Xatalos wrote:On October 24 2015 05:03 Blazinghand wrote:
Ok, finished up with the day post in Newbie mafia, so this game has my full attention for the next hour. I'm almost caught up, just pushing through the 50s now. right now I've got my eyes set on Chrom and Gumshoe, though I'll be paying attention to the Slam case as I catch up. Let me know if you have any requests for reads now, since we're getting close to deadline and I don't have much time Whatever happened with rayn? You were still talking about the RNG on him a while ago and him being otherwise scummy, but now he's not an option anymore? If he's town he'll probably be shot (After marv) anyways. I'm not worried. RNG is just a tool used to generate discussion, though I'll never admit it. And it worked fine for what it was. Let's focus on actually catching scum. Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:well i am not scum BH so there is that. That makes your rng being right 0% of the time, 100% of the time.  HISTORICALLY IT HAS WORKED AT LEAST ONCE OK are you game for shenannies?
Hm... Well I'd lynch Onegu over Slam, sure....
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Well, I voted for Onegu. Let's see what shenanigans happen in the last minutes.
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You know you want to deep inside of you
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Hm... gumshoe's vote for "slam" didn't count for some reason even though "slam" should be an accepted nickname for Alakaslam... weird
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I don't think that list post was too bad either. My vote was mainly to pick the lesser bad between Slam and Onegu. But looks like it's not happening anyway.
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Weird... the vote "o" was counted, but not "slam". ???
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Yeah... nobody should be surprised....
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On October 24 2015 06:04 marvellosity wrote:
Slam why couldn't you post that 10 minutes earlier?
What difference would it have made? It was just a listpost, nothing especially townish compared to his clear focus on scumhunting all D1.
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