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On October 28 2015 05:20 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2015 05:14 gumshoe wrote:On October 28 2015 05:01 Xatalos wrote:On October 28 2015 02:26 gumshoe wrote:On October 28 2015 01:57 Xatalos wrote:
Going forward, I guess a lurker/policy lynch on D1 would be the best option. No risk of arguments going overboard.
On another note, it'll be interesting to see who gets shot tonight. Maybe Vivax, BH, gumshoe or me... It should depend on what the actual scumteam is. It'll be Bh, hes the most calm level headed person here. The one that most agree is town. I just engineered a lynch on a townie so its not gonna be me / : and theres no reason for scum to end the shit show that is you and Rayn. Barring scum incompetence and weird meta, Bh is probs done. Bh, you gotta get as many reads in as possible tonight ) : So I dont think we have much choice in the next few lynches. Chrom is probs town, as there was no reason to push Gb as hard as he did when the lynch was already going great for scum. So adding him to my town pile only leaves a few possibilitys. Hopeless never mentioned yam at all really until his vote, so thats an obvius one. Onegu's vote on hopeless was super pointless for a townie. The kind of thing I could see him doing because he knew both wagons (gb and yam) were town and wanted to be like "hah! I was the only guy who knew what was up yo" he may have also wanted to distance himself from hopeless. Early on Onegu mentioned that he wouldnt be very useful, but that he would be fairly right most of the time. sounds kinda like scum no?You all call me useless but then you all know my reads are normally right on. Unless they are completely wrong. It is never a mix of right and wrong. And I am more right than wrong. Then theres Gb, there may not be any way to avoid lynching him honestly / : so long as players like chrom and rayn are set on Gb, town cant really function. That and I might have just been wrong about him T_T I have one more potential scum read, but at this point the well becomes pretty foggy and there's no point calling up a shitstorm when I don't have any hard evidence. I will say that if Onegu and hopeless arent both scum, then someone here has been playing a really good game. Which means were in trouble ) : If we want a certain lynch, these two would probally be best. But it might too much for town to function until we've cleared Gb so hes the other choice / : Between Hopeless and Onegu, I would lynch hopeless first. Otherwise Gb will have to go just as a matter of course / : even though I really am not that sold on him. Oh yeah I missed this post. I wondered a bit where GB found his quote. Is the "calling a shitstorm" referring to calling rayn scum?  Well, since we have one "free" mislynch left, I guess GB wouldn't be the WORST option. At least lynching him would solve a lot of mysteries about how the game has went. Unlike say, lynching hopeless. But lynching rayn would be equally informative and more likely to hit scum IMO... Then there's Onegu too.... No, someone else,If chrom(why push gb as hard as he did day 2? Would look like shit after a green flip), ritoky(the onegu shenani and a general town vibe) bh(obviusly) rayn(twat) you(also obs) and me(most obs) are town and one of us is getting shot. That only leaves 4 suspects. three of which should be scum. If im actually right this time, we win as long as we dont lynch outside those 4. Its that or enough scum have been outclassing town that winning is gonna be a real bitch. All that said we really cant afford to waste our mislynch on Rayn T_T Historically I've been very good at reading him as town when everyone wants his head so though I agree 100 percent that he deserves a fire beneath his feet, it's not how were gonna win / : bonus points for Rayn. I dont think he would have shot marv n1 considering marv was controlling town and defending him, I also dont buy a scum Rayn bieng this mean to you Xata. Rayn is only this much of an ass to people hes actually emotional twoards / : that and Rayn's day 1 looked fine. If Gb flips scum, thats all the more reason to write Rayn off as town / : so if we do plan on lynching gb at some point, rayn would only come after that if ever. What, Vivax...?
shhhhhhhhhh
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Tbh I think Vivax's mentioned team is more likely than Vivax + 2 from the trio....
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Heck, I think it's maybe more likely than just 3 from the trio...
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Blazinghand
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On October 28 2015 05:27 gumshoe wrote:I think the argument against Hopeless could be put best by Bh. Show nested quote +OF COURSE GB is going to have more weird flipflops and flaws than yamato; yamato literally hasn't posted. You can't say GB looks worse than yamato and have that be a meaningful statement. With not even two pages of filter, theres no way that Hopeless looks more scummy than anyone here / : I dont doubt that hes very careful about not slipping up, the whole notion that scum will deliver themselves to us on a platter is something I have fought with people from mah very first game. Scum are fairly capable of not looking all that scummy / : If Hopeless is town, than that means that means at least 2 scum have outclassed town enough that if even we play optimally we lose almost no matter what. Shitty, yes. But I'm not gonna vote for someone I am confident is town just because the actual town fucked up that bad / :
Yeah, I get what you're saying. Bleh, what a damn pain, analyzing alignments of lurkers
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On October 28 2015 05:14 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2015 05:01 Xatalos wrote:On October 28 2015 02:26 gumshoe wrote:On October 28 2015 01:57 Xatalos wrote:
Going forward, I guess a lurker/policy lynch on D1 would be the best option. No risk of arguments going overboard.
On another note, it'll be interesting to see who gets shot tonight. Maybe Vivax, BH, gumshoe or me... It should depend on what the actual scumteam is. It'll be Bh, hes the most calm level headed person here. The one that most agree is town. I just engineered a lynch on a townie so its not gonna be me / : and theres no reason for scum to end the shit show that is you and Rayn. Barring scum incompetence and weird meta, Bh is probs done. Bh, you gotta get as many reads in as possible tonight ) : So I dont think we have much choice in the next few lynches. Chrom is probs town, as there was no reason to push Gb as hard as he did when the lynch was already going great for scum. So adding him to my town pile only leaves a few possibilitys. Hopeless never mentioned yam at all really until his vote, so thats an obvius one. Onegu's vote on hopeless was super pointless for a townie. The kind of thing I could see him doing because he knew both wagons (gb and yam) were town and wanted to be like "hah! I was the only guy who knew what was up yo" he may have also wanted to distance himself from hopeless. Early on Onegu mentioned that he wouldnt be very useful, but that he would be fairly right most of the time. sounds kinda like scum no?You all call me useless but then you all know my reads are normally right on. Unless they are completely wrong. It is never a mix of right and wrong. And I am more right than wrong. Then theres Gb, there may not be any way to avoid lynching him honestly / : so long as players like chrom and rayn are set on Gb, town cant really function. That and I might have just been wrong about him T_T I have one more potential scum read, but at this point the well becomes pretty foggy and there's no point calling up a shitstorm when I don't have any hard evidence. I will say that if Onegu and hopeless arent both scum, then someone here has been playing a really good game. Which means were in trouble ) : If we want a certain lynch, these two would probally be best. But it might too much for town to function until we've cleared Gb so hes the other choice / : Between Hopeless and Onegu, I would lynch hopeless first. Otherwise Gb will have to go just as a matter of course / : even though I really am not that sold on him. Oh yeah I missed this post. I wondered a bit where GB found his quote. Is the "calling a shitstorm" referring to calling rayn scum? Well, since we have one "free" mislynch left, I guess GB wouldn't be the WORST option. At least lynching him would solve a lot of mysteries about how the game has went. Unlike say, lynching hopeless. But lynching rayn would be equally informative and more likely to hit scum IMO... Then there's Onegu too.... No, someone else,If chrom(why push gb as hard as he did day 2? Would look like shit after a green flip), ritoky(the onegu shenani and a general town vibe) bh(obviusly) rayn(twat) you(also obs) and me(most obs) are town and one of us is getting shot. That only leaves 4 suspects. three of which should be scum. If im actually right this time, we win as long as we dont lynch outside those 4. Its that or enough scum have been outclassing town that winning is gonna be a real bitch. All that said we really cant afford to waste our mislynch on Rayn T_T Historically I've been very good at reading him as town when everyone wants his head so though I agree 100 percent that he deserves a fire beneath his feet, it's not how were gonna win / : bonus points for Rayn. I dont think he would have shot marv n1 considering marv was controlling town and defending him, I also dont buy a scum Rayn bieng this mean to you Xata. Rayn is only this much of an ass to people hes actually emotional twoards / : that and Rayn's day 1 looked fine. If Gb flips scum, thats all the more reason to write Rayn off as town / : so if we do plan on lynching gb at some point, rayn would only come after that if ever.
Oh yeah.. Hm. Scum rayn was pretty annoying towards me in the VS game too, though. Even though I was correct all along hehe
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On October 28 2015 05:27 gumshoe wrote:I think the argument against Hopeless could be put best by Bh. Show nested quote +OF COURSE GB is going to have more weird flipflops and flaws than yamato; yamato literally hasn't posted. You can't say GB looks worse than yamato and have that be a meaningful statement. With not even two pages of filter, theres no way that Hopeless looks more scummy than anyone here / : I dont doubt that hes very careful about not slipping up, the whole notion that scum will deliver themselves to us on a platter is something I have fought with people from mah very first game. Scum are fairly capable of not looking all that scummy / : If Hopeless is town, than that means that means at least 2 scum have outclassed town enough that if even we play optimally we lose almost no matter what. Shitty, yes. But I'm not gonna vote for someone I am confident is town just because the actual town fucked up that bad / :
Hm... Well, it's a risk either way. But I think I liked hopeless's posts better than yamato's....
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Plus I don't think hopeless's town meta is to be active/contributive regardless.. From what I remember? BH?
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I'm really low on time so I'm just going to do some quick thoughts on Onegu.
Onegu clearly hasn't done much this game. Of course, he's not interested in finding mafia, hasn't shown a townie thought process, etc. His reads are on a totally different page then mine (ritoky and BH as mafia?). A lot of his posts feel like they're just throwing suspicion somewhere:
On October 25 2015 06:00 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2015 05:58 Chromatically wrote:On October 25 2015 05:51 Onegu wrote:On October 25 2015 05:27 Chromatically wrote:
I guess here's my basic idea right now:
Xatalos
gumshoe
ritoky
yamato
marv
Vivax
BH
Hopeless
Onegu
rayn
GB
I feel pretty confident the top group is town, and I wanted to put rayn in the bottom group on feel but I haven't looked into it enough to feel comfortable saying that right at this moment. Been spending my time mostly on GB. Why is ritoky town to you? ritoky is like a very strong feel read now I guess? The way he's joking seems like he's very comfortable in the thread. I agree with what Xatalos said about when he was in the conversation with Xatalos/marv, I liked the stuff he said about marv there a lot. I also liked this post: On October 24 2015 18:28 ritoky wrote:
chrom seemed mafia to me cuz he couldn't take a joke, and his mafia case on me was "I'M SUPER SRS, YOU'RE NOT SUPER SRS, WHAT'S THIS GUY'S PROBLEM? OMG MAFIA~~~~ DO YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND HIM? HE SPEAKS IN TONGUES!@?!@?!@?!@>>!" but i am hesitant cuz effort level and actual cases and re-evaluating and blahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh makes me not wanna commit to a read on him cuz i am a bitch. because it seems like genuine townie hesitation to commit to a read they're not sure of (easy to just call me mafia or town as mafia). Huh. Mafia normally dont make strong stances. That doesnt make much sense to me.
Like this post felt really strange to me, didn't say anything about ritoky's alignment but just vaguely threw suspicion on me and him.
He was extremely confident (unjustified) in townreads on rayn (during that conversation N1). He voted rayn after saying he's 99% town (although apparently he could have done it as town).
On October 25 2015 09:41 Onegu wrote:
Nope Rayn hasnt left yet. He is still town.
Xata is making zero sense here.
##Vote: Xata
I explained this earlier too, "Xata is making zero sense here" did not fit into the conversation at all because Xatalos hadn't posted anything that Onegu disagreed with for a while. It seems like Onegu wanted to vote Xatalos to be consistent with what he was saying and just threw an explanation on there without it making much sense.
Out of time so I know these aren't very well explained, but I think most people get the idea by this point.
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It's only likely if you consider Rayn scum / : which I dont.
Basically it comes down to my opinion of Rayn as a person. I've played voice mafia, video mafia and forum mafia with rayn more than any other player. Weve yelled at eachother, weve lynched eachother, like and disliked one another.
I once swore on my life to him that I was town. And you know what? He believed me, but was fucking mad at me for what he considered cheating . The godamm nerve.
That Rayn, WOULD get pissed at slam, for what in his mind is a gross breach of conduct (dont ask how, it all makes sense in his head)
But as scum? Hed just let it go with a passing remark of anger or apology , and move on to the next lynch. Because thats his code, in Rayns head there is respectable way to play mafia. The code allows him to act like this in response to people breaking the code, but him using like this, in a way that loses towns respect and forfiets control, thats not how rayn plays or wants to win as scum ) :
Thats not the evil Rayn I know, and if hes willing to break that meta, fine, but as a result I would think less of him, and I think on some level he would think less of himself.
So if I lose cause I had faith in what I know of Rayn, fine let it be, and he wins by emulating all the he hates, let it be again. Because there are more important things at play here.
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On October 28 2015 05:29 Xatalos wrote:
Heck, I think it's maybe more likely than just 3 from the trio...
I actually have no idea how you can possibly consider me and ritoky (maybe I can understand rayn) more likely to be mafia than GB, Onegu, and Hopeless. No clue.
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If I get shot, lynch GB -> Onegu -> Hopeless. If one is town I think all bets are off and look again at everyone who's still alive. I'm pretty confident everyone else is town.
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chroma, people who don't make sense might just be mafia.
it doesn't matter, you, me, or gumdrop is getting shot in a little bit here.
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Blazinghand
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On October 28 2015 05:34 Xatalos wrote:
Plus I don't think hopeless's town meta is to be active/contributive regardless.. From what I remember? BH?
This is accurate from what i remember but I hsven't researchedd it this gsme
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cmon GB.....seriously dude. you're a good enough player to know that if you're town just saying "i'm town" on repeat and "lynch vivax" on repeat isn't going to convince anyone to believe either of those things. particularly when i already am in the negatives on you. if you actually are town like you claim, you're gonna have to work to convince me at some point.
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Hmmmm.... Maybe... I can kind of see what gumshoe is saying about rayn. It's true that it wouldn't be emotionally easy to fake all those hateful posts and do impulsive "quits" from the game.
Could it be just so easy that it's GB+Onegu+hopeless... But I kind of liked hopeless's filter (for what little was there).... dunno
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Well I think I'm most sure that gumshoe and BH are town right now... Also Vivax... Chromatically/ritoky could be? I doubt I'll vote for anyone outside of rayn/Onegu tomorrow... but we'll see
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Maybe Onegu is the safe bet
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Blazinghand
United States25559 Posts
On October 28 2015 05:50 Xatalos wrote:
Maybe Onegu is the safe bet
In terms of "maximum chance to get a scummer tomorrow" Onegu is up there
I recall people saying "one of yam+gb must be scum"-- I'll go looking for the reasoning why-- do you remember why people were on about this?
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When I actually read BH's posts I gotta laugh sometimes
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