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So here it is. Please read the whole thing because it's actually relevant to this game in other ways aswell.
First i give you some examples;
A while ago i tried to convince a town to lynch someone because they said "this guy is scum because he is pocketing rayn, but i don't think rayn is necessarily town". You might remember the game... I don't actually think anyone in the game really got my reasoning for why it was obvious the guy was mafia, while it was like "i have this pie here. i am eating it with my spoon. If i have taken away the spoon from the table, it's impossible that guy ate the pie with a spoon. If he claims so afterwards, he is a liar." Really obvious? Mmmm.. apparently it wasn't.
Some year(s) ago i made a case on a guy who did the following; First they called someone out on p20. Then afk. Then i asked for their case. They said: "Here is my case [reasoning from page 30-40]". It is obvious that the dude is mafia because it's literally impossible he has thought someone is scum on p20 if his case doesn't have a simple scummy thing on that guy before p20. Seems like a simple thing? Mmm.. guess what, i had to argue for about 20 pages why it is obvious, hell MAFIA ARGUED FOR ME (yes, his scumbuddies) why it is obvious that guy is mafia. I had to draw a fucking mspaint picture to clarify why it is impossible the dude is NOT lying because apparently my words are somehow unclear...
Now let's go to this game, i have a couple of examples. The first one, maybe easier to understand is this:
rayn: TLname the votes piled up on you because scott claimed
TLname: no, i had 7 votes before scott claimed
rayn: [here is proof why you are lying]
rayn: explain
TLname: ......
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TLname: i had 7 votes before scott / damdred / cc
rayn: it does not work like that, explain why you are lying
rsoultin:
On October 02 2015 07:41 rsoultin wrote:
-sighs-
he did have 7 votes on him before damdred cc'd scott, rayn
between the time scott claim and damdred cc'd he had 7 votes on him. i remember because i wasn't sure enough would switch
the thing here is that [u]was not the original argument. I consider rsoultin one of the smartest people in this game. If one of the smartest people fails to realize / doesn't even care what i write / (or twists things around which i believe is the case here -- and noone even calls her out for it) in the first place, how am i supposed to think other people do?
Another one:
J Roc: rayn bussed sicklucker here
rayn: i don't unnecessary bus and everyone knows it, this would be an unnecessary bus, so you are just straight out lying
Trfel: but rayn you bus
Damdred: yeah you bussed there in the game Trfel pointed out.
rayn: what the fuck is this bullshit Damdred, you were in the game?!?!?
rsoultin: Damdred is factually correct.
In fact Damdred is NOT factually correct here. Even if he believes i unnecessary bussed there, that is not the point. The point is the I DON'T BELIEVE IT and i have clearly expressed it in many occasions. The question becomes to; "rayn himself thinks he doesn't unnecessary bus. would this interaction with sl here be an unnecessary bus in his opinion? If yes, then J Roc's "case" is invalid. If no, then rayn could be mafia for what J Roc says".
And that was the point of the argument, not if anyone else than me does/doesn't think if i unnecessary bussed in some other game. I can understand someone having a different view from the XXX game, but saying "Damdred's argument is factually correct" is just bullshit, because it doesn't have anything to with the original argument.
It brings me to this:
If i get shot here the following will happen. My reads are proven to be legit, as in a sense that i actually believe in what i am saying (as in i am confirmed not mafia). When this happens, me, and everyone knows marv WILL actually go read what i wrote about people and will evaluate if he thinks i was right or not. He definitely did not do that during N1, so actually NOONE knows where he stood by the end of the night phase. Marv is way more persuasive than i am. It is a fact, just because apparently my writing skills are the poorest on this site and often times i have to yell my lynches through -- which makes people ignore me. Marv also understands me. Therefore, if marv dies - regardless of if i am right or not - mafia has a person (rayn) alive, who is way more easier to ignore/discredit/what the fuck ever people are always doing than marv is. 100%.
And that is the reason why marv dying does not make me "wrong" like you suggest here GB. If i am 100% right on my reads and they are good, marv will read them in case i die, and it is 100% more likely he actually believes me than any other person in the game and actually gets those people lynched.[/i]
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rayn, are you willing to hear me out about the j roc, damdy thing, or would i be wasting my breath and should go back to the research paper?
also, gb, if you think rayn is on the wrong track, do you have someone else you want to lynch? you've mentioned twice now that he could be wrong without providing an alternative (unless i'm misrecollecting and then yes people can yell at me again for posting while distracted lol ><)
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well regardless of what you answer rayn regarding that, the truth of the matter is that when you wanted to lynch me
i was going to be lynched
when you wanted to lynch scott
scott was going to be lynched
when you wanted a cool lynch
cool was going to be lynched
when damdy cc'd and you and i started calling for vote switches
scott was lynched
and now again when you want cool to be lynched
he is going to be lynched
the evidence here does not point to any lack of thread pull, rayn. whether or not you think you're being taken as seriously as you think that you deserve to be, and how many times in the past people have not paid attention to you notwithstanding, i see no reason for any mafia team to assume that you would not be listened to here
gb has a point
if cool is scum, scum is happy to buss (tbf, i do believe that if he's scum, scum probably would be happy to buss under these circumstances)
do you understand what i'm saying, rayn?
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Your first two sentences proved your post wrong.
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On October 02 2015 21:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Your first two sentences proved your post wrong.
how so?
maybe you didn't notice, but when you were enjoining gb to vote for me when he switched to cool, i was already leading the votes with 4 votes. the next person was 3
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And in fact i never wanted cool lynched on D1 over other people.
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On October 02 2015 21:14 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 21:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Your first two sentences proved your post wrong. how so? maybe you didn't notice, but when you were enjoining gb to vote for me when he switched to cool, i was already leading the votes with 4 votes. the next person was 3
Hmm maybe you didn't notice but when MARV wanted you lynched, you were getting lynched.
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When MARV said "if you feel so strongly about scott i will sheep you", scott was getting lynched.
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On October 02 2015 21:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 21:14 rsoultin wrote:On October 02 2015 21:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Your first two sentences proved your post wrong. how so? maybe you didn't notice, but when you were enjoining gb to vote for me when he switched to cool, i was already leading the votes with 4 votes. the next person was 3 Hmm maybe you didn't notice but when MARV wanted you lynched, you were getting lynched.
marv really wasn't pushing me after my explanation, rayn. he even said i could be town. so -shrugs- and this doesn't negate the rest of it even if you think your pushing me had no effect
it certainly had an effect with scott and cool
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and now again when you want cool to be lynched
he is going to be lynched
no, everyone wants cool to be lynched already. I don't have to do anything about it.
and for the record marv is not even alive so your argument is factually incorrect.
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On October 02 2015 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
When MARV said "if you feel so strongly about scott i will sheep you", scott was getting lynched.
okay well i'm not going to argue with you if you're determined to argue for the sake of arguing
i think today is also a good example of you having thread pull but i'm sure you'll find a way to say you don't when we keep lynching the people you want to lynch lol ><
-goes back to paper-
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rsoultin do you even think about why certain things happen in this game?
saying i was the main reason you were getting lynched is just straight out bullshit.
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On October 02 2015 21:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
rsoultin do you even think about why certain things happen in this game?
saying i was the main reason you were getting lynched is just straight out bullshit.
considering marv said he was uncertain and stopped trying to push people to lynch me long before you stopped your crusade to pursue scott instead, while waving the flag of his "certainty"?
it's open to interpretation, i think lol ><
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anyway the point is gb's point isn't invalid and i'm not gonna keep talking to a wall :/
gb, please, if you think that we're going down the wrong path, where do you want to go?
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Ofc you are gonna say so because you are scum.
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On October 02 2015 21:22 rsoultin wrote:
anyway the point is gb's point isn't invalid and i'm not gonna keep talking to a wall :/
gb, please, if you think that we're going down the wrong path, where do you want to go?
I think we are hitting Mafia when killing cool but we may be wrong with LS and you.
And I am asking him to listen to you more instead of incriminate and don't reevaluate you. That's all.
Rayn I'm having lunch with parents, will soon address to your post
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On October 02 2015 21:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ofc you are gonna say so because you are scum.
^^ this time you can't claim sarcasm. just calling me scum when you don't have a response is childish
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On October 02 2015 11:46 coolTLname wrote:
so there was someone who said i was role hunting 101 with my Can medics heal themselves question do u guys remember who that was? look into him. I wasn't role hunting btw, i was actually trying to look like a medic , probably shouldn't have done that but o well. I swore it was the shining but i cant find it lol
and rayn and GB i have decent arguments in my filter on these two.
GL !
yes and I was right. Ill admit its also a good tactic to look like a medic if people think your a newb. But if your an experienced smurf then its more likely a rolehunt. I dont think this is why I or other people scum read you tho.
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On October 02 2015 21:26 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 21:22 rsoultin wrote:
anyway the point is gb's point isn't invalid and i'm not gonna keep talking to a wall :/
gb, please, if you think that we're going down the wrong path, where do you want to go? I think we are hitting Mafia when killing cool but we may be wrong with LS and you. And I am asking him to listen to you more instead of incriminate and don't reevaluate you. That's all. Rayn I'm having lunch with parents, will soon address to your post
eh it's fine
if he doesn't read my analyses later and just screams i'm scum from his tunnel, then he can be chastised
it's true that i haven't done it yet lol
you should reason with him for me since he's decided not to listen to me
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rsoultin i have one simple yes/no question to you.
Do you think it's reasonable that you have been flip-flopping about my alignment for the whole game when you yourself repeatedly say you need to re-read me (and do nothing about it -- but STILL change your read on me from time to time?!?!?), say you are gonna do that re-read now (or as the next thing -- yes i can prove that), and you are supposed to be the "best player in this game (besides marv)" in reading me, as you yourself claim?
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