If she has read like one page of the game and has never played this game i don't know how she trusts me enough to make the claim when she does (especially i derped and didn't even notice Palmar had changed the role slightly before like page 12).....

A lot of people including Damdred and Ticktock trusted that, I don't really see her being an exception here.

Vivax

21978 Posts

September 15 2015 12:38 GMT

#269

Why are we still talking martyr stuff, I claimed, can we get over it?

Vivax

21978 Posts

September 16 2015 10:52 GMT

#586

I'm here now folks.

Vivax

21978 Posts

September 16 2015 11:02 GMT

#587

Even more town points to TT for asking where I ran off to since I'm basically confirmed as the martyr now since un CCd, but TT was already strong town for me previously so I'm just reaffirming that now.

Mafia knows it's true so they wouldn't bother posting something like that.

Didn't particularly like rayn pointing that out as something scummy but also don't see a reason to consider rayn for lynch on D1, will stay in the back of my head for now though.

Vivax

21978 Posts

September 16 2015 11:22 GMT

#589

Slight townread on LS and shining.

Scumlean on Damdred.

HtS stays in null territory, I liked her opinion on geript's post on LS, it made me change perspective a bit, had to reread it myself a couple of times but then I saw where geript was coming from, it was kinda formulaic tho.

Point about HtS being that she is showing effort but it can come from both alignments, she committed a bit on my points about FF but not willing to read her either way so far.

Geript goes to null-scummish territory cause of personal meta. In some recent game I scumread him for being too tryhard to the point where I thought he was just playing it. Turned out he was the tracker, anyway he's not really anything like that in this game.

BM kinda doing his own thing, disagrees with me on basically everything. Well, I disagree with him as well and I'm just gonna let him do his own thing for now and keep him null, BUT

I find it interesting he points out how he disagrees with me and not rayn who at the time agreed with me on Rels and TT, and BM called rayn town from the get go. What irks me here is that he prefers to compare his reads to mine rather than to rayn's. Will have to take a closer look at that I guess.

Vivax

21978 Posts

September 16 2015 11:49 GMT

#598

This BM asimmetry of communication is rather blatant. It feels like he turns more of a blind eye towards his TR rayn than to unCCd town role Vivax, almost like he wanted to avoid discussing with rayn.

Vivax

21978 Posts

September 17 2015 11:01 GMT

#762

I don't understand why we wouldn't want to lynch Damdy yet and why rayn thinks we shouldn't.

Vivax

21978 Posts

September 17 2015 12:22 GMT

#784

Dude it's a waste of time to get something out of Dandel, if crusader dies at any point he should just take him down.

I'm reasonably sure we should lynch into BM or damdy today.

Vivax

21978 Posts

September 17 2015 12:29 GMT

#786

He won't explain anything no matter how much you pressure him, he'll just leave you hanging in your demands while laughing at you. You think I never tried? British Empire II.

Vivax

21978 Posts

September 17 2015 12:33 GMT

#792

Read BM please and convince yourself why he's mafia ty

Vivax

21978 Posts

September 17 2015 13:52 GMT

#821

Rapid fire posting doesn't make BM town. I don't find his reasoning for talking about my reads over rayn's satisfying. Point being he shouldn't have any reason to compare his reads to mine when I'm confirmed town and turn a blind eye towards rayn like he did. While I'm writing this I'm also suspicious of rayn for the way the two of them haven't been particularly hands-on towards each other.

I'm going to pick apart a few of his posts:

On September 16 2015 03:33 Bill Murray wrote:
you know vivax and i disagree hard when his 3 town reads are my 3 scum reads thusfar

I feel TT and Rels have been buddying and I had a scumread on TT

Rels list is something I do as scum and I feel it tries to buy towncred

He then goes into Maf wouldnt mess with grail D1 into D1 trying to give grail to TT

TT was my original gut i felt like hey this guy is relatively new I dont know if he knows how to play scum but this is what I would imagine his words would read like if he did. I based my interactions off of that thusfar.

I could consolidate on LS he might just be nervous and have a decent role but I could easily see him as scum acting the way he does

"Buddying" is something you do when you try to pocket a townie, scum don't need to buddy each other. BM should know that.

This post has pretty much contrary opinion to what me and Rayn said about Rels and TT and ends with him wanting to "consolidate" on LS for unmentioned reasons.

On September 16 2015 03:40 Bill Murray wrote:

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well even if i think they might be town i want to break up their buddy buddy circlejerk

Here rayn talked against his reads and notice how BM's reads shift towards thinking that Rels and TT might be town. Rayn agrees with FF being mafia.

Also interesting wording implying that rayn and me aren't part of that buddy buddy circlejerk when BM is townreading all of us. Kinda minor point but seems like reasoning he just slapped in there.

No mention of LS he was willing to consolidate on (2 minutes later he softens that scumread). I have no idea why rayn TRs him.

Here BM reaches the point of zero scumreads:

On September 16 2015 03:55 Bill Murray wrote:
LS has a unique read there

FF im gonna drop my scumread on you because i like your explanation - i didnt realize he ninja'd you there... but i remember reading the lol into lol followed by the influx of marijuana induced loling

So he rereads to find something:

On September 16 2015 04:00 Bill Murray wrote:
ok Rels is town ~circa page 15

And finds something that suddenly makes Rels town... When it has been posted SIX HOURS before he scumread him for the buddy buddy and the list post.

Proof:

+ Show Spoiler +

On September 15 2015 17:20 Rels wrote:
OK let's bring back this little thing.

The useful list of useless people
The Shining
HTS
LS
fidei
Dandel Ion

If one person is still in this list at deadline I'll push him hard

His post at page 15:

On September 15 2015 21:52 Rels wrote:
I don't understand you.

You think rayn is doing a bad thing martyr hunting. You're the first to react to his plan.

And instead of explaining WHY martyr hunting is bad, you post this:

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Then you gtfo.
I think you're mafia.

On September 16 2015 04:00 Bill Murray wrote:
ok Rels is town ~circa page 15

So yeah, BM is bullshittin

Vivax

21978 Posts

September 17 2015 14:07 GMT

#825

##VOTE: BILL MURRAY

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Vivax

21978 Posts

September 17 2015 14:16 GMT

#827

TT why don't you read the entire thing and only pick out one part to justify why you don't scumread him for the entire case?

Vivax

21978 Posts

September 17 2015 14:25 GMT

#830

You completely left out how he scumread Rels for things that allegedly happened before page 15 and then townreads him around that page, while actually Rels posted on page 15 already when he posted that he was suspicious of him.

Vivax

21978 Posts

September 17 2015 14:35 GMT

#834

Of those I'd only get onto Damdred instead of him. I'm not particularly fond of how geript's playing but given that he has so many excuses I'm willing to cut him some slack.

Vivax

21978 Posts

September 17 2015 14:50 GMT

#839

Tbh I just couldn't care less about Dandel on D1. If he's mafia he'll keep that up along with low activity, if he's town he'll actually have reads at some point.

I look for the mafias who are trying, and there's ought to be one among the rest. It's a waste of time to try and decipher Dandel.

Vivax

21978 Posts

September 17 2015 15:02 GMT

#847

On September 17 2015 23:54 Rels wrote:

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Low activity is not the reason I'm sure is mafia. Why are you saying "if he's town he'll have reads at some point" ? He has two reads: Damdred and Shining.
He didn't explain his Damdred read to HTS, and he lied explaining his Shining read.

I never know if he's serious or if he just says things to antagonize people for funzies. As I recall his Damdred is town thingy came up right after somebody scumread him.

I'm not gonna discuss this guy further it's a waste of space, just as he is in this game and most others.