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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
I'll probably be mostly afk tomorrow | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
Sorry I wasn't any better, or sorry that you all didn't believe me z_z | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On September 26 2015 06:33 Cephiro wrote: Excuse me as I go weep in a corner. I TRIED. I DID ALL I COULD. Sorry I wasn't any better, or sorry that you all didn't believe me z_z This is in no way a guarantee you were right. But yes, I was wrong, sorry. | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
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Damdred
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justanothertownie
16319 Posts
On September 26 2015 06:33 Cephiro wrote: Excuse me as I go weep in a corner. I TRIED. I DID ALL I COULD. Sorry I wasn't any better, or sorry that you all didn't believe me z_z I am not risking making the wagons 2:2:2 like this no matter if the 2 scummy people are the ones voting me or not. The average iq in this game just increased by a lot. | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
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Damdred
15669 Posts
I don't mind his lynch, I did have a tow read so in that regard it sucks but it at least gets the thread back on track. JAT could you tell me about your read on wile,d1? | ||
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justanothertownie
16319 Posts
On September 26 2015 06:45 Damdred wrote: I'm conflicted cephs posts feel,fake. Why would tougher in a corner if you had a slight to moderate scum lean on geript. I don't mind his lynch, I did have a tow read so in that regard it sucks but it at least gets the thread back on track. JAT could you tell me about your read on wile,d1? No, I already did and I will not be playing this game anymore today. It's midnight already. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
Now please explain your scum read of wile. The resulting switch to a town read what thoughts were town and why it made you eliminate him please. | ||
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justanothertownie
16319 Posts
On September 26 2015 06:52 Damdred wrote: Idc if you have already explained. This is mylo we all have to go in depth when asked. Now please explain your scum read of wile. The resulting switch to a town read what thoughts were town and why it made you eliminate him please. And idc what you want right now. Good night. | ||
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justanothertownie
16319 Posts
To answer this: On September 26 2015 06:52 Damdred wrote: Idc if you have already explained. This is mylo we all have to go in depth when asked. Now please explain your scum read of wile. The resulting switch to a town read what thoughts were town and why it made you eliminate him please. Even though it is fairly obvious and I already did so - I was scumreading/questioning Wile on day1 for things he pushed/said that I disagreed with or that made no sense to me. A few examples out of many: On September 15 2015 07:58 justanothertownie wrote: Or alternatively mafia will give you your information because it is easy to do and looks like they are doing stuff while they actually don't. I just think it is weird to ask slam for his smurf instead of making your own account even if you lost your old one. It also means you knew slam had a smurf in the first place which is weird if you really haven't played here for a long time. On September 15 2015 21:46 justanothertownie wrote: That's not how you read marv. Not that I disagree with your read itself so far. Why do you think it is a scummy trait though? Because it really isn't. On September 15 2015 21:52 justanothertownie wrote: You are calling him mafia for openly admitting it though. And that is generally not what mafia is inclined to do. On September 16 2015 18:07 justanothertownie wrote: How about you explain why you think Moosy is likely mafia instead. If you think it is hard not to sheep rayn you have to understand his argument so the bolded makes 0 sense. Go ahead and explain. There is nothing mathematical about it. On September 16 2015 18:22 justanothertownie wrote: If you are town you should be interested in rayns thought process instead of blindly sheeping him though. Being town doesn't make him right. Your disinterest in this is at best retarded and at worst really scummy. How on earth does "it is hard not to sheep rayn here" make any fucking sense if you don't even understand what he is saying? On September 16 2015 18:33 justanothertownie wrote: It isn't meta. Rayn made an argument calling someone mafia for referencing another game. Rayn did NOT play in that game -> he has the same information you have. There is no meta involved. On September 16 2015 20:12 justanothertownie wrote: Powerroles are way less important in forum mafia. Mafia will almost never push someone because they think it is a powerrole. It is hard enough to get any kind of mislynch going without giving yourself away. When I reread later in order to find my lynch target (I fully expected him to be it) I decided to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he is just a video mafia player and completely new to forum mafia like he claimed he was. If you read his filter up to that point in the game most of this could maybe be explained by this/it made at least a small amount of sense. Newbies often think things like admitting to not caring about scumhunting or similar stuff is scummy for example. It could also have been possible that he simply didn't understand the point about meta later. It's not like I townread him, I just thought damdred and cephiro were more scummy at that point in time. It's not unlikely that one of them actually is mafia. The really surefire mafia indicators in Wiles play did not exist yet when I backed off of him. The thing damdred tried to clear him for which was actually an ironclad argument for him being mafia instead came when I wasn't around anymore. This is still one of the best posts in the game: On September 18 2015 00:10 justanothertownie wrote: You even admit it yourself. I HAD done stuff at the point damdred made that post. Therefore it IS a lie. And notice how damdred never ever talks about anything I said all game. He simply does not care, he just wants to lynch me. And to the Wile thing: Moosy was Wiles top mafiaread almost all game right? The thing we are talking about is the main reason why people scumread Moosy before rayn went full retard. And it wasn't a throwaway comment someone made at some point. It was actually said by multiple people and was a big point of discussion. So you are telling me Wile does not know why his top mafiaread is being scumread. The conclusion is that he is either totally disinterested in his top mafiaread or that he is acting. Both heavily point towards him being mafia. And when I found out that this is SL none of the newbie theories were valid any longer anyways so I was pretty convinced that he was mafia. | ||
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justanothertownie
16319 Posts
Ritoky you really need to get something out there. For example if you still strongly think palmar and cephiro are town then tell us why. Or ask things. Don't be a pussy silently leaving the game without taking any responsibility. | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
palmar i only came to arrive at as town last phase cuz i read his filter and it read town. dunno how else to say it. was his opening a bit wonky compared to some of his other tunnel a motherfucker openings when he is town in other games? yeah. is he slightly more passive? yeah. but go read one of his town games and read this game. you'll see the similarities. last phase was wary of him not pushing hard enough to get what he wanted. i had a town read on jat early cuz i threatened to shoot him and he told me to piss off. then admitted he missed the soft, then he didn't shoot scott in the night and acted surprised (could be fake could be real idk) cuz he thought (as well as i thought) scott's check #s were fake. outside of that the rest of the TR i have given him over the course of the game are effort over content. last phase i lessened on him for his play in general and simply cuz i thought palmar was more town last phase. last phase was worried cuz he agreed with me so much that i felt i might be wrong. damdred....i had a PR read on him n1-ish but that didn't materialize, so i figured he was just mafia. i made a case, ceph made a case. consider them but don't jump on them. i don't think my read on him has been iron clad this game like it usually is. ever since he switched to w/e makes him post shorter and have all the auto-correct and stuff it has begun making me read on him a bit rougher. last phase was wary of the i told you so set-up on geript. nothing has really happened to change my opinions in the night. i would split you into 2 categories: cat 1: ceph/palmar cat 2: damdred/jat i would look into cat 2 before cat 1, but it's mylo so not considering everyone as a possibility is stupid. anyone who just comes in and says x is mafia ##vote and then fucks off during mylo needs to be punched in the nose. good luck, and it sure is shitty we can't sleep. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
Day 5 ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/LgdVjKH.png) justanothertownie the Vanilla Townie has been killed. Voting ends in at 21:30 GMT (+00:00). | ||
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justanothertownie
16319 Posts
After reading his filter I have to say it is completely possible that Palmar is mafia. I just don't think it is very likely. Here is why he could be mafia: His filter is very marv centered. Still he did not figure out that marv is mafia until I pushed that guy. Pretty poor showing if he is town. In general he is defending both flipped mafia at points while not openly calling them town. He doesn't jump on either of the lynches or pushes them before it is clear they will die (he does not push marv until he sees that I am doing it and am convinced about it for example). These posts are all pretty bad: On September 15 2015 21:41 Palmar wrote: Although it's super tempting to just sheep rayn's townread on marv then blame rayn if marv is scum postgame. Actually that sounds like a great strategy. On September 16 2015 21:04 Palmar wrote: to be fair marv told me pregame in an unrelated discussion (he is the co-host for the game I'm running) that he'd be mostly unavailable this week. Like I don't want to townread him based on that as it's unrelated, but I've sort of been looking over the fact that his activity is slightly less than normal. Also, @marv, do you think jat calling you out makes him mafia? On September 17 2015 00:06 Palmar wrote: Yes he will defend me when I'm town. This is irrelevant of his own alignment. In general if he doesn't look like obvious mafia and is actually defending me I'm more than willing to give him a chance to be right/useful for the day. So yes, him defending me doesn't mean he's town, but it also means he's doing the right thing and he even gave the right reasons (cited my overall tone if I recall correctly, which marv has told me multiple times is a very important factor in how he reads me. I apparently just sound like mafia when I'm mafia). I think you're mafia so I'm biased. Yes I think it's completely reasonable of marv to call you mafia. I don't think there is any reason to call him one. Koshi is sort of excused because he's bad, but why you tried to ride that train too I don't know. Also, why are you asking me to explain things that should be obvious. There is no contradiction in the statements above, you're just trying to present them as one. I'd call you 100% mafia for it if it wasn't apparenly something you do (see trfel question last game, this is comparable). He is pushing the lynch away from Wile by sheeping damdreds awful argument about him. But I can see a townPalmar believing it is good. This post is pretty bad though - of course it makes a difference that it is SL: On September 17 2015 20:20 Palmar wrote: I have no idea btw why the read on him would go 180 based on nothing but his identity. I sort of understand why rayn would think it does (rayn has stronger opinions than your average jihadist), but I don't like the fact that people seem to be eating that stuff up. marv you said "he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt". No benefit was given to him. The damdred point was about the genuine-ness of his reactions to reading the thread. There was no benefit of the doubt involved. I'm going to try to get opinions out into the thread throughout today. Still defending mafia without calling them town. Most of his geript push which is more or less the only thing he pushed after the 2 mafia lynches seems reasonable to me but this post still doesn't make sense: On September 21 2015 18:51 Palmar wrote: About the geript thing and why it bothers me so much. I like geript, and I think he's a nice, reasonable guy. In order for him to blow up on ceph like that because of real life stress, he has to be far more emotional than I think he is. Like I talk to geript on ts, play with him here and stuff, and it's just way out of his character range. Like if geript was really (and I believe he was) stressed out by his rl, the attitude I would have thought he brought to the game is more in the lieu of: "dude.... please. Just back the fuck off. rl is shit and I don't have the willpower to argue with your shit right now so just stop it please" Instead of the caps lock (it was caps, right?) tirade he went on. Maybe I just don't know geript. But it seemed excessive. I have no idea why anyone would expect geript to react like this. I personally have never seen him do this but I have seen him rage in a very unwarranted manner countless times. This is also somewhat weird: On September 24 2015 17:37 Palmar wrote: This is semi-true. Generally marv figures out my alignment (especially when I'm being useful like this game). I sometimes figure him out (and I have been trying lately to be less waffly), but most of the time (I think) I waffle on him for a long time until we lynch mafia together. Like historically that has been the point where I start trusting marv. Because it isn't true at all. Lynching mafia in my experience hasn't been the reason Palmar townread marv in ages. They were perfectly able to strongly townread each other without any dead mafia before. It's also not true that lynching mafia makes marv town or that lynching town would make him mafia. Then there is this weird/unwarranted defense of damdred that he kept up for basically the whole game. But I don't really think it makes him mafia. Now on to what I think is towny. | ||
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justanothertownie
16319 Posts
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
I appreciate the part where you were alive long enough to post the scummy things about me, and died before you managed to get to the towny parts. Thanks a bunch man! | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
My current opinion is that we just lynch ceph, but I'm going to read both the filters of ceph and damdred at some point today (probably monday) before I make a final decision. I don't know if it means anything that jat died instead of ritoky (or instead of me). | ||
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