EPTthe 45 being split in an undisclosed way between damdred and jat.
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
the 45 being split in an undisclosed way between damdred and jat. | ||
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ritoky
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justanothertownie
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On September 26 2015 05:23 ritoky wrote: i currently am 65/45 in favor of lynching geript. the 45 being split in an undisclosed way between damdred and jat. Good. I am not lynching anyone but geript/damdred anyways. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
I think the best point I like is damdred flipping his read on ceph based on the same reason but still, no idea if it makes him mafia. This is my main problem. If damdred is mafia based on the reasons Cephiro listed, then I'm awful at this game. I don't think I'm awful at this game, so I don't think Damdred is mafia. One of the main points in the case is that damdred gave wile a townread on day 1 for that post. The problem with me scumreading him for that is that I agreed with the point and townread damdred for making it. Another point in the case is damdred's actions today, which I have explained here: On September 26 2015 02:01 Palmar wrote: I am just going to assume this smiley means "tell me more about why it isn't scummy Palmar". I'm mostly assuming that because it's a pretty clever reason. If damdred is mafia I expect one of two things to be his play here. 1) Take the "easy" lynch and run with it. Just vote geript, rehash some reasons given by others and watch him die. 2) Really push against the lynch and call people bad/stupid for maximum cred. But instead what he's doing is 3) sort of defend him and give reasons, while also resigning to the fact that he might just get lynched anyway. I'm not saying it's impossible he's mafia because of this, it's just that he has chosen a very specific and strange path to behave about it if he is. Notice how I interpreted exactly the actions you're calling him mafia for as town actions. Like it's generally a terrible idea to lynch people who I kinda maybe think are town. I'm not ready to go against every feeling/read I've made this game based on you thinking he's mafia. I think it's far more likely geript is. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On September 26 2015 05:24 justanothertownie wrote: Good. I am not lynching anyone but geript/damdred anyways. But which one? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
And yes, that ceph post sounds sorta townie. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
But I was right on a bunch of people (rayn, moosy, marv-ish (took me a while), koshi, ritoky. Hell I was even right on warwaffle despite his shitty start). Like I think it's a terrible idea for myself to assume I'm terrible. If I'm being terrible I'm counting on the other 4 townies to overrule me and figure it out. I think geript is the last mafia. | ||
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justanothertownie
16320 Posts
On September 26 2015 05:31 Palmar wrote: Like I know your vote is on geript, but you seem quite willing to go after damdred. And yes, that ceph post sounds sorta townie. Yes. Gut says damdred head say geript basically. Damdred doesn't seem interested in lynching mafia today. Geript on the other hand shouldn't be town for what he did this game. And there is the strong desire to get rid of him because I have 0 motivation to put up with his shit in case we miss. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On September 26 2015 05:34 justanothertownie wrote: Yes. Gut says damdred head say geript basically. Damdred doesn't seem interested in lynching mafia today. Geript on the other hand shouldn't be town for what he did this game. And there is the strong desire to get rid of him because I have 0 motivation to put up with his shit in case we miss. We basically KNOW damdred is sort of fine with lynching geript. I'm also 100% certain scumdred is smart enough to know that if he does what he is doing (explain his reads but admit he's going to be overruled) can be perceived as scummy. Which is also why I don't think scumdred does that. Like I agree with the bolded, I just don't think it makes him mafia. | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
On September 26 2015 02:06 Palmar wrote: Hell, if damdred is mafia, his optimal play (if possible) is to defend geript and lynch ceph, shoot me, then let ritoky and geript tinfoil lynch you. Just please look at this Palmar. If you look at this objectively, you'd see this is exactly what he's been doing for most of this day. He's been defending geript and talking about his townread on him all the time and saying he shouldn't be lynched. Earlier in the day (and the previous cycles), he's been trying to set me up for a mislynch for quite a decent while already, downplaying and trying to discredit most of the things I've been saying. Now I've been solid to the extent he hasn't really been able to do that, so he's had to just sit down and watch instead of being able to go for a strong push on me, there isn't anything he could do that on because I'm that clearly way more town for a player from an objective perspective. Like how is him sitting around and saying "I think geript is town", when you people aren't changing your minds about it productive? Like I've said multiple times now to everyone, the focus should be on getting your scumread lynched. Which is what damdred already admit he's not doing. And he's not doing it now either. Don't you agree that for a scumdred, having a towngeript lynch happen while he opposes it is a fairly good position? He's not able to get the mislynch on me anymore, so that's his best possible play left. Key point: He doesn't care who gets lynched, he "cares" about who doesn't get lynched. That alone should tell you how much of a mafia play he's doing. If geript gets lynched today, and if he flips town, it means he has pretty much any/all options open for D5. It doesn't matter who he ends up on as long as it's not himself. HE DOES NOT NEED TO GET ANYONE LYNCHED, HE NEEDS TO AVOID GETTING LYNCHED IF HE IS SCUM. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HE IS DOING. Just please believe me on this one and vote for Damdred. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
screw this, i'm going to take a walk. I'll be back before the deadline. if I can I'll glance at damdred's filter while doing it. | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
I might be wrong. You could also be wrong. Everyone is wrong sometimes. I'm more confident than you are that I'm right, and I've made case to back it up. You haven't pushed for your target in the sense that I have. If you're as sure about geript being mafia as I am about damdred being mafia, you should show it with your actions, which you aren't. At the moment it's more about why you're not willing to vote damdred over geript. For what I can see, these are the reasons: 1) You prefer to stick with your opinion that the Wile thing Damdred pointed out is more likely to come from a townDred than a scumDred. 2) I already proved how the actions you talked about make him more likely mafia than town. 3) Even if you happen to be wrong about damdred and he is scum, it doesn't make you a terrible or a bad player by any extent (which is what you seem to think of as an issue). Unless you're willing to show the confidence you have in your geript read as I do with my Damdred read, you should believe in me (or if not me, in all the points I've posted that point out how Damdred is scum). Otherwise you should be going about more strongly about getting geript killed. I've done everything I can to present my reasoning for Damdred being scum. There's just simply nothing more for me to provide, except to try and talk you over to vote for him to get him lynched, which is exactly what I'm doing right now. I want to win this game, and I firmly believe it's over as a town win if we lynch damdred today. But I can't do it alone no matter how sure I am, I need your votes to make it happen. | ||
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justanothertownie
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
I didn't need to put this amount of effort into getting marv lynched because he just rolled over. D2 was a freebie. Day 1 I tried but I didn't have enough content to make a case as strong as I can now to get wile killed, and marv was off the list and would've just cluttered the eod1 up and caused chaos instead. | ||
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justanothertownie
16320 Posts
On September 26 2015 06:11 ritoky wrote: bleh i need to make a choice and i really don't wanna be wrong. What about your damdred read? I can really lynch either geript or damdred. Feeling almost compelled to sheep cephiro at this point. | ||
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justanothertownie
16320 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
I don't want to go into lylo with a pre-determined lynch. If I'm right and damdred flips town, I have to lynch geript in lylo because he is, probably, mafia. I want to win this game, which is precisely why I'm not going to sheep you. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
i like cephiro's case, coupled with the one i made earlier. particularly the part about reading him town for something and using the same reason to scum read him later. i also don't think it is out of the realm of possibilities for jat to be mafia for reasons i put forth in my filter. that said i think i just have to go with geript for 2 reasons: 1) i think he is most likely scum for the reasons i have said a few times 2) if i am wrong on him i think there's far more content and participation from damdred and jat in order for town to get well informed solid reads in f4....i think me being wrong on geript and him being dead is a better scenario for town than me being wrong on damdred or jat and geript still being alive. | ||
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