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On September 09 2015 07:12 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2015 06:59 CopCake wrote:On September 09 2015 06:34 Fidei86 wrote:On September 09 2015 06:21 NocturneMage wrote:
damn I lost my last post
gah
md, her top scumreads were you/nk/gb
I faulted her for her reads on you/slam/gb, the n00bking read was reasonable and so didn't cite it
it's possible she's mafia for pushing n00bking, would easily be able to take advantage of that but again at face value it's reasonable, I and plenty others saw fault with nk's gameplay to scumread or vote him
but yet again, this conflicts with her interactions with gb, again assuming gb flips scum
so therefore it's not reasonable to top read her now, not in your current world and not unless you think gb is flipping town The thing is dude that yes, she did read GB as scum, but the mentions of him were pretty sparse, and she said on more than one occasion that she much preferred to lynch n00b or Moosy. I don't think she gets nearly as much town cred from her GB read as you are giving her. The issue I have with Cake ... Well there are two. 1. She clearly has her own way of playing and of typing, and I personally find it quite difficult to follow. I just read her entire filter, and it's all so conversational and responsive that it's difficult to get a real sense of where she stands. It's not that this makes her Mafia, it means that my read on her is likely to be bad. 2. I'm kind of confused by her and Rayn having "ride or die" town reads on each other. I think Rayn is about to be exonerated by the GB flip, but cake came into the thread and straight away was convinced Rayn was town. I find that ... Suspicious. Like, you can be friends OOG, like me and HTS (<3) but we're never gonna give each other a free pass in Mafia. Yes, I have a Rayn town read- everyone does. But if you read Cake's filter, you'll see that a LOT of the posts are based on the premise that Rayn is town. If Rayn were to flip Mafia, her filter would be just awful. And that's the best reason to scum read her imo. So yeah, I think Cake is a scum read for me now. i think before I was taken in by her conversational style, which seemed towny (see point 1 above). The only reason I hate this read is that it probably makes Moosy town. But my read on Moosy is evolving in the same way as my read on n00b - his posts are too dumb to be Mafia. Still, that leaves me with only Slam and Rayn as solid town reads, Moosy as 'probably dumb town' and a whole lot of null and cake as a very slight scum lean. I already said why i town read rayn with scenarios where it is IMPOSSIBLE for him to be scum, like he would be gg next day if GB is an actual doctor. And I was pretty sure yamato said I was town because it is my normal play style. CC- I was reading the nested quote, I have been townreading fidei. I want to see if you can find what is scummy about it. That post is textbook scum.
Going back to this post is interesting. This is about five posts or so after Slam gave me a town read (which was unexplained). He scum reads me for my read on Cake, and then gloats with Cake in thread, but then he apparently immediately forgets this and moves on, even though I was seriously discussed as a lynch candidate day 3. He also doesn't ever really seem to form a read on Cake, but they chat at length about OOG stuff very happily. IDK, there is an argument there that they were overly familiar because they were also chatting in the mafia QT.
On the other hand there is the fact that Slam voted GB early (although for meh reasons) and didn't move off him until right at the end, after everyone else had. It could easily be that Slam just parked his vote early when he didn't think GB was a target (he wasn't until very late on), and then once the wagon formed realised that GB was dead anyway. It's not ... like a huge bus, but it would be kind of large. One of the reasons these last minute wagons get started is if there seems to be latent thread sentiment on someone, and Slam's early vote on GB definitely set that tone.
Anyway, I don't think much more work is required on the whole Superbia v Slam thing. I'd be pleased if it was Superbia, because that would make my earlier post at least half right. But I think it's more important for me to read scott and MD's filter, just to double check their town status. Provided it's not either of them, then it's easy for me to solve as either Superbia or Slam.
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With his last post though, I don't see that we can really not vote Slam off tomorrow. Like, it's just an unforgiveable sin as town to ask to be voted off. It's just ... so bad. We have to assume that everyone who signed up to play the game wanted to play it all the way through, or otherwise would have asked the mods for a replacement. That means that, assuming Slam isn't just trying to ruin the game, that he's mafia trying to get cred for asking to be voted off for OOG reasons. Which is super dumb, but maybe he feels like the number of people sure it's him or Superbia means he has to try the yolo play and hope that we all think "well they haven't conceded, and would have done if they were mafia etc".
The other option that he's actually town and actually doesn't care. If that's true, we STILL have to vote him off, because we can't send someone who doesn't care to LYLO to make the decision ... we honestly might as well not have bothered putting all the work we have into this game if we're gonna trust it to essentially Slam's coinflip.
So, yeah. For me it's Cake, then Slam, then probably Superbia, although we still have bunch of time to get to the bottom of that, and it'll be LYLO anyway so we'll have to reconsider to some degree anyway.
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But Slam, if you're town, please retract what you said earlier and try and help us win. It's really important.
This probably doesn't matter much to you, but if you don't help and you flip town, I'll lose all respect for you.
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On September 14 2015 14:13 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 14:05 scott31337 wrote:
I don't being in LYLO with scrubby town peeps
Just concede You'll have to be. I am not mafia and refuse to fight that fight, or be that tool for the mafia. Lynch me before lylo.
Huh.
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The thing is that Cake was pretty happy to bus GB right off the bat which isn't hard to see as he was just the Mafia Goon. On the other hand, she was pretty hard townreading Alakaslam off the bat and never really changed her weird despite how bad Slam looked at certain points.
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Slam, before you go, can you at least give thoughts on the game.
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@MD Do you think it makes sense that scum Cake and Slam would banter about OOG stuff to the extent that they have? Slam has basically contributed nothing over the last day or so other than that. If it is them, I feel like they have played super sub-optimally.
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On September 14 2015 21:26 Fidei86 wrote:
@MD Do you think it makes sense that scum Cake and Slam would banter about OOG stuff to the extent that they have? Slam has basically contributed nothing over the last day or so other than that. If it is them, I feel like they have played super sub-optimally.
I actually read that as scummy. CopCake basically contributed nothing besides banter the last few days. For Slam it's less incriminating, but it's not exactly townie points.
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Day 4 Votecount
CopCake (5): scott31337, NocturneMage, MoosyDoosy, Superbia, Alakaslam
Not Voting (2): CopCake, Fidei86
If CopCake doesn't watch it, they are liable to handelin' the wrong end of a pistol in with 5 votes. Please do not forget to vote.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494187-nsm-xiv-firefly-voting-thread
Please vote in the voting thread if you want your vote to be counted.
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Whoops, thanks for the voting reminder Tina.
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Sorry Tt. But you should be honoured I confused you with Tina.
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On September 14 2015 22:27 Fidei86 wrote:
Sorry Tt. But you should be honoured I confused you with Tina.
l0l rip tictock
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On September 14 2015 22:40 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 22:27 Fidei86 wrote:
Sorry Tt. But you should be honoured I confused you with Tina. l0l rip tictock
#burial
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On September 14 2015 21:17 MoosyDoosy wrote:
The thing is that Cake was pretty happy to bus GB right off the bat which isn't hard to see as he was just the Mafia Goon. On the other hand, she was pretty hard townreading Alakaslam off the bat and never really changed her weird despite how bad Slam looked at certain points.
Yeah. Per database, yamato (who also argued that slam was town) has played a lot of games as has Rayn and Slam.
He said slam was town, though Rayn said he was Mafia. It's one thing for experienced players to be making those comments but people new to the community would be having a much more difficult time reading someone like Slam.
And Cake/Slam random convo to me is not very alignment indicative for Slam (agreed it is for cake) since both were hard townreading each other.
I won't be alive to make the decision but had I been it'd be Scumcake, then Slam then Superbia.
I looked at the votes from Day 1 and Superbia at no point voted GB pre or post claim, so no indication there.
Going to look at GB/Cake/Superbia interactions but to be honest I don't recall too many.
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Why is Superbia so eager to kill Fidei though? I don't understand.
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IDK. From memory it came from the whole Bresh/Superbia/MD "argument", which I thought was pointless but from which Superbia seemed to draw lots of very important reads and conclusions (which, in my view, he never really actually gave, besides him not thinking Bresh and MD were mafia together).
I'll check this evening.
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Doublechecked through Scott's filter, explanation for his early push on GB made sense, as he said it was meta. (Post 2609)
His reads on GB and MD and such all seemed to have evolved normally. He does ping out Copcake in 2620 and explains why but puts priority on Boxerfred. Can't see him draw attention to her like that when he previously thought she was town unless he is trying to set himself up for late game.
Don't think.
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Alakaslam tries to push Scott for being afk and mentions that he and his other scumread are scared of him when Scott mentioned why. (Post 2331)
Not sure if that's bad town or Mafia.
It does look opportunistic.
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Alakaslam -
who do you think is the final Mafia?
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EPT
