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On August 27 2015 02:05 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 02:03 Palmar wrote: jat say "trfel is confirmed town" and maybe I'll back off. No, you won't and I am sick of your trolling. Go do something useful. So far you only tunneled on a townie and acted like a total asshole about it. = town Palmar for anyone still questioning it :D
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On August 27 2015 02:06 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 02:01 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 27 2015 01:58 rsoultin wrote:On August 27 2015 01:40 WaveofShadow wrote: Rsoul!! Hi!!! Hi!!!!!!! Let's play so I can be not mad at you anymore. Talk to me about stuff.
Thoughts on Cheesecake? Moosy? dunnae about cc but i still like moosy <3 Eugh. I mean I guess the disconnect between older and newer players exists in this game. You probably are also more experienced with the 'good' wave than the bad one and know less about older players (hence the me being mad at you  ) so you're less likely to find moosy's early praises of me strange...? Or maybe I'm just biased. nh players are reduced to their own experiences, so no, i don't find it strange that new player would have a generally different view of the playerbase than players who have been playing longer it's a toneread that isn't particularly strong but i feel like he's town ^^ in part for the same reason cc did, in part cause he had similar reactions to things as me that i didn't bother responding to, and in part just because of how he's responding to everything in a relatively natural way This is fair, though I posit that the 'natural way' that he has responded to things is fairly superficial and extremely easy to fake, especially as a newer scum player. Like anything and everything that he has said about me could come from either alignment and I lean towards the scummier side because town Moosy has no need to say those kinds of things or lean so hard. I am also inclined however to give Moosy more time since in my experience with him he had the potential for an explosive towngame before we killed him. He just ramped up to it very slowly.
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On August 27 2015 02:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 02:03 justanothertownie wrote:On August 27 2015 02:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 27 2015 01:58 Palmar wrote:On August 27 2015 01:34 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 27 2015 01:28 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't really have much to say about that specifically. Palmar and marv have a super special bromance together that I can't explain accurately in any real detail. The way it seems to me is that Palmar tosses out reads super early just 'cause, some of which may be accurate and some of which might not be but he sticks with them and forces them if necessary, and re-evaluates in secret. In the scumgame where he caught me even though he forced his read on me all game he was actually constantly re-evaluating based on what was going on in game as was evidenced by his posting.
For a read on marv if I had to guess it's easier to assume he's town (even based on very little/nothing) and take it back later on if he just so happens to be wrong, but all of the posting they have done has in all likelihood shown that he is right.
As for how this relates to Trfel/rsoul.....dunno. So you think Palmar could have read marv based on "heya" and "this is delightful"? If you say yes, then that means Trfel's question was valid. If you say no, then that means Trfel's question was weird and we need to take action on it. To be perfectly honest, the townread on marv is in large based on his "this is delightful" post, because I was also enjoying that conversation a lot. Huh. Then that does make Trfel's question relevant in that context. No, it really doesn't. Because Trfel did not know this. Yes it does. Because it means that Trfel probs knew about the Palmarv bromance and felt that Palmar could have read marv based on those two posts. Either way, I'm getting tired of you just throwing things at everyone's posts with no purpose behind it. eh, I'll just sheep wave/rsoul.##vote justanothertownie THIS is weird.
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Like MAYBE I can see Moosy giving lynch wagon credit to rsoul. Maybe. But me?
And since I've come back Moosy has asked me a few random questions that just seem really disjointed---like i don't get the feeling of why he needed me to come back in the first place so urgently.
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On August 27 2015 02:10 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2015 11:54 rsoultin wrote:On August 26 2015 11:50 Trfel wrote:On August 26 2015 11:14 rsoultin wrote:On August 26 2015 11:11 WaveofShadow wrote: You're certainly acting like one
I wanna lynch marv. Can we lynch marv?
##vote: marvellosity no protestsgonna shower, do some work and maybe sleep first though  he already give up in the scum qt shadowwaaaaave? On August 26 2015 11:41 rsoultin wrote:i has a fun theory for you, shadowwave ^^ Exhibit A: marv makes two posts...one around 11pm-ish his time, and one around 1am-ish Exhibit B: two smart american players are already flinging suspicion in his general direction despite the rather reasonable assumption that maybe he has gone to bed now, if marv is town (and scum would know he is) he's not going to be a very happy camper when he wakes up to stupidity and turns on the marv!town charm complete with that lovely ability to get people lynched just because he's marv. so you two are probably town (but idiotic)if he flips scum, though...hello "buss me" message ^^ -drops mic- solved it, boys...oh, and wave? keep the emoticon push up  (see bolded green text) What changed? nothing shower/do some work/maybe sleep first <- the nod to the timezone marv is in where i don't expect him to be that active right now reference to the scum qt <- finding it odd that wave is already pushing for a marv lynch and no, i don't protest. because i find it much more likely that a scum wave is bussing a scum marv than a scum wave is stupidly pushing a town marv, or a town wave isn't sharp enough to realize that a town marv shouldn't be expected to be active in the wee hours of the morning Show nested quote +On August 26 2015 13:21 Trfel wrote:On August 26 2015 12:01 rsoultin wrote: truffle you aren't talking to me >> Family comes first, sorry. I'll be more active in maybe another hour and a half, if you're still awake then. Otherwise, I'm interested to see what Palmar has to say about marvellosity. ^ reading comprehension test says he's not impressed with my reasoning and trusts palmar to be able to get an early read on marv over wave/ve/my lovely tinfoil re: wave/ve/marv also, i think wave's town lol >< so my tinfoil isn't quite so tinfoily now is it? (watch wave be scum just cause i said that now) Your tinfoil pleases me. I will say this much though, it took a lot of arguing and effort to get you to rescind your early scumread on me that one game. Kinda similar to what I have to do with people like marv or HF so that's a good thing I think.
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I suppose I really should find VE town actually now that I think about it.
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On August 27 2015 02:14 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 02:12 WaveofShadow wrote: Like MAYBE I can see Moosy giving lynch wagon credit to rsoul. Maybe. But me?
And since I've come back Moosy has asked me a few random questions that just seem really disjointed---like i don't get the feeling of why he needed me to come back in the first place so urgently. The only people I have ever interfaced with prior to this game are Trfel/you/rsoul. From what I've seen all 3 are good players so I'm more inclined to sheep you guys and listen to your judgment. -shrugs- That's not the point. The fact that you are entirely ignoring Palmar's presence in the game is the point, especially since I have openly admitting that the only reason I am voting JAT in the first place is BECAUSE of him.
This kinda goes beyond who you have experience with and not imo. It's just weird. Like you're forcibly playing up your interactions with those who you know and reeks of agenda.
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On August 27 2015 02:18 justanothertownie wrote: Well, I am leaving now. It is wednesday and wednesday night is pubquiz time. Maybe I will return for a short while later, maybe I won't. Can make any promises about tomorrows activity since it is my birthday.
When I return I will flat out ignore any further bullshit brought up against me unless I think it is alignment indicative.
Currently I would look for scum between WoS, Trfel, Moosy and possibly CC between the people that have posted a little. Getting lynched on your birthday...harsh
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On August 27 2015 02:36 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 02:35 rsoultin wrote:On August 27 2015 02:32 KelsierSC wrote:On August 27 2015 02:31 rsoultin wrote: lol ksc >< i'm fine with answering i just am not sure what you want? i'm trying to correct that "read you idiot" problem i have >> well it's just my abiding memory of your posting was about JAT and well..it's easy for points you make to get mixed in with the other words you type. i found your list of reads so its ok. you and wave still bros? i've got town feels on him but i'd have to glance back at what i scanned during lunch to remember why lol >< i think it's how he responded to the pressure + just sheepled without being all super!town about it wave seems insanely conscious how he looks when he's scum...even in gaiden he had a strangely good thumb on the pulse of thread sentiment while being basically afk...people outside the scum team may think it was just lazy but the calculation there was impressive to me dude he literally said im not going to post and see how long i can get away with it =) I mean to be fair that was for two reasons: 1) Meta change 2) I was going through a LOT of shit at the time and couldn't play the way I normally would even if I wanted to. I kept up with thread as best I could on my own time and did my best not to get modkilled until I could do more. It's pretty unlikely I would ever play like that again without a similarly damn good reason.
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OMGUS, paranoia, and something I can't talk about makes me wonder if KSC is scum. Low priority either way.
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On August 27 2015 03:18 rsoultin wrote: oh, i forgot
someone (viva i think?) mentioned my trfel-whisperer thing lol ><
i think? (don't quote me here) that the last time i was actually town and playing with trfel was noir? lol all of that noise in my scum games was just that...noise
i do trust that i'm fairly good at reading him and i've seen nothing that screams scum to me, however i'm not 100% balls to the wall i'll defend trfel from any and all comers by any means. i actually feel that his absence (although not out of character) is a mark against him -_- seeing as how he handled this last scum game with me and i doubt he'd be any more motivated this time
that said the early push was not something i'd expect from a scum trfel and was sufficiently inquisitive to not ring my trfel is being overly aggressive alarm bells
i wouldn't lynch him today Do I have reason to trust your trfel-whisperer thing? Don't you claim to have reads like that on other people too like brehske or something? Are those truly always right?
I don't remember.
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On August 27 2015 03:23 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 03:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 27 2015 03:18 rsoultin wrote: oh, i forgot
someone (viva i think?) mentioned my trfel-whisperer thing lol ><
i think? (don't quote me here) that the last time i was actually town and playing with trfel was noir? lol all of that noise in my scum games was just that...noise
i do trust that i'm fairly good at reading him and i've seen nothing that screams scum to me, however i'm not 100% balls to the wall i'll defend trfel from any and all comers by any means. i actually feel that his absence (although not out of character) is a mark against him -_- seeing as how he handled this last scum game with me and i doubt he'd be any more motivated this time
that said the early push was not something i'd expect from a scum trfel and was sufficiently inquisitive to not ring my trfel is being overly aggressive alarm bells
i wouldn't lynch him today Do I have reason to trust your trfel-whisperer thing? Don't you claim to have reads like that on other people too like brehske or something? Are those truly always right? I don't remember. lol i've been wrong on everyone i'm good at reading at least once i'm pretty sure? i'm fairly good at reading trfel correctly against thread sentiment, or was student mafia v and noir are both good examples of that if i'm confident on a read i'll present it that way kkkkkkkkkk
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On August 27 2015 03:30 rsoultin wrote: don't know him + too early lol >< You REALLY think moosy needs us this badly as to ask that question?
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On August 27 2015 03:45 Trfel wrote: I have some stuff going on, and won't be back until later today. Sorry. Scum
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On August 27 2015 04:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 00:55 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 27 2015 00:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Catching up. Frigging euro dominated game ##unvoteShould have just said marv/Palmar dominated game. Which is fine I suppose since they're both extremely likely to be town at this point. Let's see. Welcome back CC. First thoughts are that he's town because I remember him posting similarly to this in a couple of towngames we played together, that being said there is ONE old-as-hell scumgame of his I want to look back at (where he ragequit eventually 'cause his team was shitty or something?) because what someone (marv?) said about him being more coherent as scum could be true but I truly don't remember. 2-year-old meta meh anyway but I have re-embraced the use of meta recently to decent effect so we'll see. Tentative townread for the moment. Rsoul extremely likely to be town from interactions. Scummiest people stand out to me as JAT because the last time I remember Palmar going like this on anyone, it was on me when I was scum when nobody else ever catches me. Moosy because pocketing efforts when I am the only one in this game he knows to be 'good.' I say 'good' because I have been SUPER on point in the last whole bunch of games I've played (as both alignments for once) and Moosy correctly realizes that I could be a threat based on that. Which brings me to On August 26 2015 23:14 marvellosity wrote:On August 26 2015 23:13 Palmar wrote: Wave is a shitty has-been player anyway can't be a has-been if you're a never-was ^ wow, what a bitch Fucking brutal guys. Is all of that really necessary? I actually have gained some confidence in my play for once and I refuse to let it be crushed by the likes of you. Unfortunately the fact that I'm not here means if either of the aforementioned are scum I won't have contributed at all to their lynches which is super bleh. ##vote: JAT This post makes Wave scum. Specifically, the text in bold. Wave comes back to the thread to see the popular scum-candidate JAT sitting on a wagon driven by Palmar. His read takes no consideration for JAT's actions this game. In fact, he says he respects Palmar's play enough on day 1 to sheep him without regard. Wave claims that he has gained some confidence in his play. If wave truly has gained confidence in his play (I.E. reads), then why is he letting Palmar, who may very well be mafia or just plain wrong about JAT, decide the lynch for him? Wave is blindly assuming that Palmar is town and correct without A) Assessing the lynch candidates motivations / actions and B) Looking at Palmar's push in and of itself. He doesn't even quote a post by Palmar and agree with the reasons. ##Vote: Wave
Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 01:03 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 27 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, Wave is voting me because Palmar caught HIM as mafia in the past. Makes a huge post and talks about everything but me except for this statement. This might be the first mafia joining the push. You're sweet. I'm way better at scum than to blindly sheep. I've only ever been officially caught ONCE as scum and it was by Palmar, therefore I afford him a measure of respect on his D1 bullshit, enough to sheep him on what appears to be a fairly decent read. JAT hits the nail on the head here. Wave's defense against this is basically "I'm better than this", which I find lazy. Regardless, Wave still fails to situate why he thinks Palmar's case is good. Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 01:28 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't really have much to say about that specifically. Palmar and marv have a super special bromance together that I can't explain accurately in any real detail. The way it seems to me is that Palmar tosses out reads super early just 'cause, some of which may be accurate and some of which might not be but he sticks with them and forces them if necessary, and re-evaluates in secret. In the scumgame where he caught me even though he forced his read on me all game he was actually constantly re-evaluating based on what was going on in game as was evidenced by his posting.
For a read on marv if I had to guess it's easier to assume he's town (even based on very little/nothing) and take it back later on if he just so happens to be wrong, but all of the posting they have done has in all likelihood shown that he is right.
As for how this relates to Trfel/rsoul.....dunno. When Wave extrapolates upon how Palmar plays, he admits that Palmar's early reads are 'just 'cause' and may/may not be accurate. How can Wave seriously think JAT is his top scumread / top vote for the day if he: 1) Has not evaluated JAT's actions, or explained why Palmar's case is good 2) Knows that Palmar's early reads are often 'just cause' 3) Is not sure of Palmar's alignment? It makes no sense to me. Palmar may have caught Wave as scum day 1 in another game and he respects him, but this course of action is scummy regardless of how you package it. It's incredibly convenient if JAT flips town, and then Wave can take no responsibility for the lynch. All I want you to answer @WaveofShadow: Why is Palmar's case good. Not Rsoultin's, or anyone else's, but Palmar's case. What does Palmar say that is convincing and makes the case against JAT generate a "fairly decent read"? Pretty sure in your giant filter case against me you could have discovered this yourself. Yawn. Not impressed.
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I mean it's pretty obvious that I'm hinging my vote right now on Palmar's insistence that JAT is scum and the 'weak meta read' as you say is enough for me for my vote to stay there.
I'm sorry if you'd like for there to be more bu there isn't. If that makes me scum then go ahead.
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On August 27 2015 05:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 05:31 WaveofShadow wrote: I mean it's pretty obvious that I'm hinging my vote right now on Palmar's insistence that JAT is scum and the 'weak meta read' as you say is enough for me for my vote to stay there.
I'm sorry if you'd like for there to be more bu there isn't. If that makes me scum then go ahead. You claim to have improved confidence in your playstyle but this seem contradictory. So there is nothing you like about Palmar's case at all? Then why did you say that Palmar had a fairly decent read? There's a difference between sheeping because you think someone is better than you and sheeping because you think they have a good read. If palmar is voting for JAT because he has caught him based on super early palmar-type read then it can be both.
Lol I really don't even understand your problem. You can call be scum for being lazy or something or attempting to pawn off a potential town flip but I don't even know what your deal is with this
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It's like you're a monkey and you think I have nits in my hair and you're looking for them but you're frustrated that there aren't any
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On August 27 2015 07:25 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 02:29 KelsierSC wrote:On August 27 2015 02:27 rsoultin wrote:On August 27 2015 02:25 KelsierSC wrote:On August 27 2015 02:24 rsoultin wrote:On August 27 2015 02:22 justanothertownie wrote:On August 27 2015 02:19 rsoultin wrote:On August 27 2015 02:19 justanothertownie wrote:On August 27 2015 02:15 rsoultin wrote:On August 27 2015 02:10 justanothertownie wrote: [quote] Yes, you are. There is no way you can seriously consider Trfel confirmed town. There is no way you would back off me for calling Trfel confirmed town. The only intention you have is making me mad. what you are doing is throwing a tantrum. i am even willing to remove my vote if that will allow you to be less tantrum-y, but throwing a tantrum and saying people are bad does not make you town your trfel push is shit do something that isn't. that's what i'm looking for. i've yet to see it Your push on me is shit. My Trfel point is still one of the best ones that have been brought up this game. But we already established that you are having a bad game if you are town and ftr I still kinda think you are. it's shit. i debunked it. move on reasons You haven't debunked anything and no, I won't give you any reasons. You will have to find something to talk about that's not me. Suck it. I am off. you fail to understand why i'm scumreading you and you also fail to note that i've been talking about plenty of things not you ^^ this looks more like a dodge to me than anything else enjoy your bday can i get like a summary of what else you said. not that I don't love reading all your posts but...it's easier if it just one place lol really >< on what? on everything? even things i've changed my mind about? caveat: jat, are you saying his posts are too clean as in constructed? fine i'll go read it properly i get off on cheesecakes posting , it actually makes sense when I read it that's why i can't shake the feeling he might be mafia. jat's clean post comment is quite close to the mark as well. dnoooo Despite his picking invisible nits off of me I think he's more likely town, unless he played like this in the scum game I mentioned earlier that I haven't looked at yet.
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