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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 28 2015 18:25 GMT
#2241
ok went back and looked at the lynch again.

It's highly likely there is a mafia in decondu/hopeless/vivax, just with the way they came back late to the game for votes.
When decon came back, I asked him a few questions and I think his responses were pretty good and it showed he had been following things to an extent. Like his response to the hopeless case.

On August 28 2015 03:25 deconduo wrote:
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On August 28 2015 03:16 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 28 2015 03:13 deconduo wrote:
On August 28 2015 03:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 28 2015 03:05 deconduo wrote:
I'm pretty sure Kesier and Moosy are town. I like the cases against Hopeless and the trfel more than the one against JAT at the moment. I'm gonna read a bit more and make a decision.


so you would only lynch between hopeless and trefl?


At the moment yeah. The case against JAT just feels the same as the case against ruxxar in TSM.


I mean why do you like the case on hopeless anyway, because wave is pushing it? do you town read him?


Nope. Mainly because he lurked just as much in TSM and was scum there. Also this is pretty unforgivable:

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On August 28 2015 01:11 Hopeless1der wrote:
Oh god the spampocalypse. I was not prepared for this. I'm going to go full blazinghand and use his RNG methods while I read the thread and then yolo it.

RNG being this (post's ID)Mod13 (0=decon, 1=wave, 2=vivax etc)


and then I actually liked his point about trefl aswell.

On August 28 2015 03:35 deconduo wrote:
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On August 28 2015 03:26 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 28 2015 03:25 deconduo wrote:
On August 28 2015 03:16 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 28 2015 03:13 deconduo wrote:
On August 28 2015 03:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 28 2015 03:05 deconduo wrote:
I'm pretty sure Kesier and Moosy are town. I like the cases against Hopeless and the trfel more than the one against JAT at the moment. I'm gonna read a bit more and make a decision.


so you would only lynch between hopeless and trefl?


At the moment yeah. The case against JAT just feels the same as the case against ruxxar in TSM.


I mean why do you like the case on hopeless anyway, because wave is pushing it? do you town read him?


Nope. Mainly because he lurked just as much in TSM and was scum there. Also this is pretty unforgivable:

On August 28 2015 01:11 Hopeless1der wrote:
Oh god the spampocalypse. I was not prepared for this. I'm going to go full blazinghand and use his RNG methods while I read the thread and then yolo it.

RNG being this (post's ID)Mod13 (0=decon, 1=wave, 2=vivax etc)


hmm ok, why do you like the trefl case?



More of a feeling than anything else, mainly from the back and forth between trfel and JAT. Though I'm reading VE's filter at the moment and find myself agreeing with most of what he says as well.


Like he's checking over the cases and filling things out, he isn't just oh yeh trefl is scum aswell because of X, he actually has reference to interactions

so I think decon could be town.

Hopeless is scum , 100% needs to be vigi shot/lynched . I don't really need to rehash over the reasons for his scum, his lack of posting at all is true to his scum game, his RNG not give a fuck reentry, and then like how he tries to justify a scumread on boxerfred when really he is just trying to save himself from the lynch.

On August 28 2015 06:47 Hopeless1der wrote:
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On August 28 2015 06:44 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
BF ninjavoted in the thread and hasnt said jack today.

Yeah this
##Unvote
##Vote: boxerfred


for vivax , like rsol said he's town and when he came back to the game he seemed pretty reasonable so , see what he does next day phase.



Zerg for Life
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
August 28 2015 18:45 GMT
#2242
On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz


On August 26 2015 22:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
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On August 26 2015 22:48 marvellosity wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz

na he never does this


Then Palmar is mafia for tunneling on a terrible read.


Looky looky here! What happened to your palmar is mafia conditional? At the very least you should have been trying to determine if he's actually doing what your theory suggested and this late in the game he's still tunneling jat but you don't really seem to care.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
August 28 2015 19:33 GMT
#2243
On August 29 2015 03:45 Vivax wrote:
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On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz


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On August 26 2015 22:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:48 marvellosity wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz

na he never does this


Then Palmar is mafia for tunneling on a terrible read.


Looky looky here! What happened to your palmar is mafia conditional? At the very least you should have been trying to determine if he's actually doing what your theory suggested and this late in the game he's still tunneling jat but you don't really seem to care.


I can't figure out Palmar. I can't tell if he's just being bad town or mafia. It's quite that simple. "This late in the game?" It's night 1. Vivax, this is a lame post.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
August 28 2015 19:47 GMT
#2244
On August 29 2015 04:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
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On August 29 2015 03:45 Vivax wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz


On August 26 2015 22:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:48 marvellosity wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz

na he never does this


Then Palmar is mafia for tunneling on a terrible read.


Looky looky here! What happened to your palmar is mafia conditional? At the very least you should have been trying to determine if he's actually doing what your theory suggested and this late in the game he's still tunneling jat but you don't really seem to care.


I can't figure out Palmar. I can't tell if he's just being bad town or mafia. It's quite that simple. "This late in the game?" It's night 1. Vivax, this is a lame post.

rite. And i'm scummy for my own waffling on you. kk coolio buddy
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 28 2015 19:50 GMT
#2245
On August 29 2015 04:47 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2015 04:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 29 2015 03:45 Vivax wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz


On August 26 2015 22:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:48 marvellosity wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz

na he never does this


Then Palmar is mafia for tunneling on a terrible read.


Looky looky here! What happened to your palmar is mafia conditional? At the very least you should have been trying to determine if he's actually doing what your theory suggested and this late in the game he's still tunneling jat but you don't really seem to care.


I can't figure out Palmar. I can't tell if he's just being bad town or mafia. It's quite that simple. "This late in the game?" It's night 1. Vivax, this is a lame post.

rite. And i'm scummy for my own waffling on you. kk coolio buddy


it's totally different when you townread him and voted him in like the next post

he just isn't sure on palmar which has been a theme throughout his play
Zerg for Life
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
August 28 2015 19:56 GMT
#2246
On August 29 2015 04:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2015 03:45 Vivax wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz


On August 26 2015 22:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:48 marvellosity wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz

na he never does this


Then Palmar is mafia for tunneling on a terrible read.


Looky looky here! What happened to your palmar is mafia conditional? At the very least you should have been trying to determine if he's actually doing what your theory suggested and this late in the game he's still tunneling jat but you don't really seem to care.


I can't figure out Palmar. I can't tell if he's just being bad town or mafia. It's quite that simple. "This late in the game?" It's night 1. Vivax, this is a lame post.


You said literally he would be mafia and not bad town back then. This just looks like you backpedaling on what you said. You implied the entire jat tunnel was a reason in itself for somebody to be scum, marv said that Palmar doesn't do fake pushes, then you said "this means Palmar is mafia" (your former townread). Yet there is no sign of that being your belief throughout the rest of the filter.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 28 2015 20:02 GMT
#2247
On August 29 2015 04:56 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2015 04:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 29 2015 03:45 Vivax wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz


On August 26 2015 22:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:48 marvellosity wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz

na he never does this


Then Palmar is mafia for tunneling on a terrible read.


Looky looky here! What happened to your palmar is mafia conditional? At the very least you should have been trying to determine if he's actually doing what your theory suggested and this late in the game he's still tunneling jat but you don't really seem to care.


I can't figure out Palmar. I can't tell if he's just being bad town or mafia. It's quite that simple. "This late in the game?" It's night 1. Vivax, this is a lame post.


You said literally he would be mafia and not bad town back then. This just looks like you backpedaling on what you said. You implied the entire jat tunnel was a reason in itself for somebody to be scum, marv said that Palmar doesn't do fake pushes, then you said "this means Palmar is mafia" (your former townread). Yet there is no sign of that being your belief throughout the rest of the filter.


he says palmar could be mafia a few times

It's fairly clear he is uncertain of palmar and he repeated that just now
what is this push?
Zerg for Life
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
August 28 2015 20:13 GMT
#2248
On August 29 2015 05:02 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2015 04:56 Vivax wrote:
On August 29 2015 04:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 29 2015 03:45 Vivax wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz


On August 26 2015 22:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:48 marvellosity wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz

na he never does this


Then Palmar is mafia for tunneling on a terrible read.


Looky looky here! What happened to your palmar is mafia conditional? At the very least you should have been trying to determine if he's actually doing what your theory suggested and this late in the game he's still tunneling jat but you don't really seem to care.


I can't figure out Palmar. I can't tell if he's just being bad town or mafia. It's quite that simple. "This late in the game?" It's night 1. Vivax, this is a lame post.


You said literally he would be mafia and not bad town back then. This just looks like you backpedaling on what you said. You implied the entire jat tunnel was a reason in itself for somebody to be scum, marv said that Palmar doesn't do fake pushes, then you said "this means Palmar is mafia" (your former townread). Yet there is no sign of that being your belief throughout the rest of the filter.


he says palmar could be mafia a few times

It's fairly clear he is uncertain of palmar and he repeated that just now
what is this push?


The way he atcs about Palmar is not what his post suggested he would act like, I'd have expected way more confidence from him based on what he said.

Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
August 28 2015 20:14 GMT
#2249
Cause back then he didn't say "palmar could be mafia or bad town", he said "then Palmar is mafia" which suggests his attitude to become different from the one he presented.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
August 28 2015 20:25 GMT
#2250
If it helps you can discard the option that I'm bad town.
Computer says mafia
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 28 2015 20:26 GMT
#2251
no, no he can't
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
August 28 2015 20:30 GMT
#2252
On August 29 2015 04:47 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2015 04:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 29 2015 03:45 Vivax wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz


On August 26 2015 22:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:48 marvellosity wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz

na he never does this


Then Palmar is mafia for tunneling on a terrible read.


Looky looky here! What happened to your palmar is mafia conditional? At the very least you should have been trying to determine if he's actually doing what your theory suggested and this late in the game he's still tunneling jat but you don't really seem to care.


I can't figure out Palmar. I can't tell if he's just being bad town or mafia. It's quite that simple. "This late in the game?" It's night 1. Vivax, this is a lame post.

rite. And i'm scummy for my own waffling on you. kk coolio buddy


You're scummy for giving absolutely no reason for scumreading me when you previously put me in your hard town list.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
August 28 2015 20:32 GMT
#2253
meh i should probably not be this lazy in all honesty
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
August 28 2015 20:34 GMT
#2254
KSC clearly hasn't read my mega post and is still buddying me despite me wanting to kill him.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 28 2015 20:35 GMT
#2255
On August 29 2015 05:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
KSC clearly hasn't read my mega post and is still buddying me despite me wanting to kill him.


i did read your mega post

Zerg for Life
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
August 28 2015 20:38 GMT
#2256
On August 29 2015 04:56 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2015 04:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 29 2015 03:45 Vivax wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz


On August 26 2015 22:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:48 marvellosity wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz

na he never does this


Then Palmar is mafia for tunneling on a terrible read.


Looky looky here! What happened to your palmar is mafia conditional? At the very least you should have been trying to determine if he's actually doing what your theory suggested and this late in the game he's still tunneling jat but you don't really seem to care.


I can't figure out Palmar. I can't tell if he's just being bad town or mafia. It's quite that simple. "This late in the game?" It's night 1. Vivax, this is a lame post.


You said literally he would be mafia and not bad town back then. This just looks like you backpedaling on what you said. You implied the entire jat tunnel was a reason in itself for somebody to be scum, marv said that Palmar doesn't do fake pushes, then you said "this means Palmar is mafia" (your former townread). Yet there is no sign of that being your belief throughout the rest of the filter.


I go over a bunch of possibilities in my head. I initially read Palmar town for reading Rsoultin as town very early on just like I had. I figured he was town coming to a similar conclusion despite his reasons for it. Palmar could have been doing a fake push, and that read was mostly sarcastic (though I wish it were true). Palmar could totally be mafia for pushing onto JAT for bad reasons, but there is no way I can know that for sure. I think you're playing entirely onto how confident my posts sound tone-wise. Focusing on my read on Palmar is entirely nit-picky. I am clearly attempting to figure out this game, moreso than 90% of people.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
August 28 2015 20:39 GMT
#2257
On August 29 2015 05:35 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2015 05:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
KSC clearly hasn't read my mega post and is still buddying me despite me wanting to kill him.


i did read your mega post



Then why are you mafia buddying me? You just defended me against Vivax, and you've been doing this all game.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 28 2015 20:40 GMT
#2258
On August 29 2015 05:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2015 05:35 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
KSC clearly hasn't read my mega post and is still buddying me despite me wanting to kill him.


i did read your mega post



Then why are you mafia buddying me? You just defended me against Vivax, and you've been doing this all game.


because vivax made a stupid post
Zerg for Life
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 28 2015 20:40 GMT
#2259
On August 29 2015 05:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2015 04:56 Vivax wrote:
On August 29 2015 04:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 29 2015 03:45 Vivax wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz


On August 26 2015 22:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:48 marvellosity wrote:
On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz

na he never does this


Then Palmar is mafia for tunneling on a terrible read.


Looky looky here! What happened to your palmar is mafia conditional? At the very least you should have been trying to determine if he's actually doing what your theory suggested and this late in the game he's still tunneling jat but you don't really seem to care.


I can't figure out Palmar. I can't tell if he's just being bad town or mafia. It's quite that simple. "This late in the game?" It's night 1. Vivax, this is a lame post.


You said literally he would be mafia and not bad town back then. This just looks like you backpedaling on what you said. You implied the entire jat tunnel was a reason in itself for somebody to be scum, marv said that Palmar doesn't do fake pushes, then you said "this means Palmar is mafia" (your former townread). Yet there is no sign of that being your belief throughout the rest of the filter.


I go over a bunch of possibilities in my head. I initially read Palmar town for reading Rsoultin as town very early on just like I had. I figured he was town coming to a similar conclusion despite his reasons for it. Palmar could have been doing a fake push, and that read was mostly sarcastic (though I wish it were true). Palmar could totally be mafia for pushing onto JAT for bad reasons, but there is no way I can know that for sure. I think you're playing entirely onto how confident my posts sound tone-wise. Focusing on my read on Palmar is entirely nit-picky. I am clearly attempting to figure out this game, moreso than 90% of people.

I still don't understand how you made this conclusion with any confidence, when the other option is that a mafiaPalmar simply townread rsoultin. Especially given your reasons were different.

boggles my mind tbh
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
August 28 2015 20:42 GMT
#2260
On August 29 2015 05:40 KelsierSC wrote:
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On August 29 2015 05:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:35 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
KSC clearly hasn't read my mega post and is still buddying me despite me wanting to kill him.


i did read your mega post



Then why are you mafia buddying me? You just defended me against Vivax, and you've been doing this all game.


because vivax made a stupid post


That's true. But in my experience mafia are more likely to defend me than town are, especially given that most people have been terribly scumreading me this game.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
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