Oh.
Well I mean the CC read flip thing and all that other weird shit.
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
August 28 2015 17:32 GMT
#2201
On August 29 2015 02:32 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 02:30 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 29 2015 02:28 marvellosity wrote: On August 29 2015 02:27 MoosyDoosy wrote: On August 29 2015 02:26 Trfel wrote: On August 29 2015 02:25 MoosyDoosy wrote: Ok, this sounds good. How about you go do the work and try to prove it, and I'll evaluate once you finish?rsoultin may be scum here. ![]() -shrugs- i don't operate that way. I just do tone reads and look at filters sometimes but I'm terrible at making cases and being a town leader. you still have to 'splain yourself Ah yes this is true. Moosy wtf were you doing at EoD i just meant the rsoultin read Oh. Well I mean the CC read flip thing and all that other weird shit. | ||
marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
August 28 2015 17:33 GMT
#2202
On August 29 2015 02:32 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 02:31 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 29 2015 02:30 Trfel wrote: On August 29 2015 02:27 WaveofShadow wrote: All three scum.On August 29 2015 02:23 Trfel wrote: WaveofShadow, why do you think I am mafia? And yes, I'm too lazy to read your filter. I'll go with rsoultin and VisceraEyes being town for now. More confident on VisceraEyes. Nah, you give me a read first. CC/KSC/ and if you have time do one on me, because if I remember correctly all you've had to say on me was 'I'm making no progress with WoS.' Your turn. Not good enough. You've solved the game and have no reasons for it? Like that actually doesn't make any sense at all. The entirety of D1 was my two scummates bussing me? Eh...maybe that's not the worst thing actually. Seems kinda dumb to me off the bat though. you're taking it a lot more seriously than i took that post | ||
justanothertownie
16316 Posts
August 28 2015 17:33 GMT
#2203
On August 29 2015 02:32 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 02:29 MoosyDoosy wrote: idk i'm tryna look at everyone in a new light and rsoul may be scum. in that same vein, i like the way that visceraeyes has been posting. it's not the content per se, but the manner in which he does it. it's like the key to reading him similar to tictock. this still doesn't say why what do you like about his posting? what makes you think i could be scum? really moosy just saying that you like chocolate over and over but don't like vanilla isn't terribly informative I think that analogy isn't exactly perfect. | ||
Trfel
7015 Posts
August 28 2015 17:33 GMT
#2204
On August 29 2015 02:31 WaveofShadow wrote: Process of elimination.Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 02:30 Trfel wrote: On August 29 2015 02:27 WaveofShadow wrote: All three scum.On August 29 2015 02:23 Trfel wrote: WaveofShadow, why do you think I am mafia? And yes, I'm too lazy to read your filter. I'll go with rsoultin and VisceraEyes being town for now. More confident on VisceraEyes. Nah, you give me a read first. CC/KSC/ and if you have time do one on me, because if I remember correctly all you've had to say on me was 'I'm making no progress with WoS.' Your turn. Not good enough. You've solved the game and have no reasons for it? | ||
WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
August 28 2015 17:33 GMT
#2205
On August 29 2015 02:32 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 02:30 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 29 2015 02:28 marvellosity wrote: On August 29 2015 02:27 MoosyDoosy wrote: On August 29 2015 02:26 Trfel wrote: On August 29 2015 02:25 MoosyDoosy wrote: Ok, this sounds good. How about you go do the work and try to prove it, and I'll evaluate once you finish?rsoultin may be scum here. ![]() -shrugs- i don't operate that way. I just do tone reads and look at filters sometimes but I'm terrible at making cases and being a town leader. you still have to 'splain yourself Ah yes this is true. Moosy wtf were you doing at EoD hm... this is a bit weird. i think if we lynch mr. cc and he flips mafia then rsoul is town. if he flips town then rsoul is NAI. because im having gut reads on mr. cc similar to rsoul but i doubt that she'd bus him this hard in the game. or maybe she might. but it would make me feel a lot better if we learned mr. cc's alignment. as for wat i was doing at EoD, i had a gut read on mr. cc but waffled like crazy which is why i started voting on everyone to vent my frustration at my indecision. hm...i'd really like to know mr. cc's alignment tbh. I am surprisingly ok with this | ||
WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
August 28 2015 17:34 GMT
#2206
On August 29 2015 02:33 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 02:32 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 29 2015 02:31 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 29 2015 02:30 Trfel wrote: On August 29 2015 02:27 WaveofShadow wrote: All three scum.On August 29 2015 02:23 Trfel wrote: WaveofShadow, why do you think I am mafia? And yes, I'm too lazy to read your filter. I'll go with rsoultin and VisceraEyes being town for now. More confident on VisceraEyes. Nah, you give me a read first. CC/KSC/ and if you have time do one on me, because if I remember correctly all you've had to say on me was 'I'm making no progress with WoS.' Your turn. Not good enough. You've solved the game and have no reasons for it? Like that actually doesn't make any sense at all. The entirety of D1 was my two scummates bussing me? Eh...maybe that's not the worst thing actually. Seems kinda dumb to me off the bat though. you're taking it a lot more seriously than i took that post Well he's clearly serious. On August 29 2015 02:33 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + Process of elimination.On August 29 2015 02:31 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 29 2015 02:30 Trfel wrote: On August 29 2015 02:27 WaveofShadow wrote: All three scum.On August 29 2015 02:23 Trfel wrote: WaveofShadow, why do you think I am mafia? And yes, I'm too lazy to read your filter. I'll go with rsoultin and VisceraEyes being town for now. More confident on VisceraEyes. Nah, you give me a read first. CC/KSC/ and if you have time do one on me, because if I remember correctly all you've had to say on me was 'I'm making no progress with WoS.' Your turn. Not good enough. You've solved the game and have no reasons for it? | ||
rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
August 28 2015 17:34 GMT
#2207
On August 29 2015 02:33 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 02:32 rsoultin wrote: On August 29 2015 02:29 MoosyDoosy wrote: idk i'm tryna look at everyone in a new light and rsoul may be scum. in that same vein, i like the way that visceraeyes has been posting. it's not the content per se, but the manner in which he does it. it's like the key to reading him similar to tictock. this still doesn't say why what do you like about his posting? what makes you think i could be scum? really moosy just saying that you like chocolate over and over but don't like vanilla isn't terribly informative I think that analogy isn't exactly perfect. mmm no i'm actually not very vanilla | ||
justanothertownie
16316 Posts
August 28 2015 17:34 GMT
#2208
On August 29 2015 02:34 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 02:33 marvellosity wrote: On August 29 2015 02:32 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 29 2015 02:31 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 29 2015 02:30 Trfel wrote: On August 29 2015 02:27 WaveofShadow wrote: All three scum.On August 29 2015 02:23 Trfel wrote: WaveofShadow, why do you think I am mafia? And yes, I'm too lazy to read your filter. I'll go with rsoultin and VisceraEyes being town for now. More confident on VisceraEyes. Nah, you give me a read first. CC/KSC/ and if you have time do one on me, because if I remember correctly all you've had to say on me was 'I'm making no progress with WoS.' Your turn. Not good enough. You've solved the game and have no reasons for it? Like that actually doesn't make any sense at all. The entirety of D1 was my two scummates bussing me? Eh...maybe that's not the worst thing actually. Seems kinda dumb to me off the bat though. you're taking it a lot more seriously than i took that post Well he's clearly serious. Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 02:33 Trfel wrote: On August 29 2015 02:31 WaveofShadow wrote: Process of elimination.On August 29 2015 02:30 Trfel wrote: On August 29 2015 02:27 WaveofShadow wrote: All three scum.On August 29 2015 02:23 Trfel wrote: WaveofShadow, why do you think I am mafia? And yes, I'm too lazy to read your filter. I'll go with rsoultin and VisceraEyes being town for now. More confident on VisceraEyes. Nah, you give me a read first. CC/KSC/ and if you have time do one on me, because if I remember correctly all you've had to say on me was 'I'm making no progress with WoS.' Your turn. Not good enough. You've solved the game and have no reasons for it? It's not the worst poe I ever saw. | ||
rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
August 28 2015 17:35 GMT
#2209
lynch away -rolls around the thread- | ||
marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
August 28 2015 17:35 GMT
#2210
On August 29 2015 02:34 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 02:33 justanothertownie wrote: On August 29 2015 02:32 rsoultin wrote: On August 29 2015 02:29 MoosyDoosy wrote: idk i'm tryna look at everyone in a new light and rsoul may be scum. in that same vein, i like the way that visceraeyes has been posting. it's not the content per se, but the manner in which he does it. it's like the key to reading him similar to tictock. this still doesn't say why what do you like about his posting? what makes you think i could be scum? really moosy just saying that you like chocolate over and over but don't like vanilla isn't terribly informative I think that analogy isn't exactly perfect. mmm no i'm actually not very vanilla ![]() liked my role blurb in Personality btw | ||
MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
August 28 2015 17:35 GMT
#2211
On August 29 2015 02:35 rsoultin wrote: i'd care but cc is prob mafia and if he isn't i'm prob not around that long anyway so lynch away -rolls around the thread- so ur ok w/ mr. cc lyncherino shenanigans? | ||
rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
August 28 2015 17:36 GMT
#2212
On August 29 2015 02:35 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 02:34 rsoultin wrote: On August 29 2015 02:33 justanothertownie wrote: On August 29 2015 02:32 rsoultin wrote: On August 29 2015 02:29 MoosyDoosy wrote: idk i'm tryna look at everyone in a new light and rsoul may be scum. in that same vein, i like the way that visceraeyes has been posting. it's not the content per se, but the manner in which he does it. it's like the key to reading him similar to tictock. this still doesn't say why what do you like about his posting? what makes you think i could be scum? really moosy just saying that you like chocolate over and over but don't like vanilla isn't terribly informative I think that analogy isn't exactly perfect. mmm no i'm actually not very vanilla ![]() liked my role blurb in Personality btw <3 glad you approve | ||
rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
August 28 2015 17:36 GMT
#2213
On August 29 2015 02:35 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 02:35 rsoultin wrote: i'd care but cc is prob mafia and if he isn't i'm prob not around that long anyway so lynch away -rolls around the thread- so ur ok w/ mr. cc lyncherino shenanigans? i'd tell you to read my filter before making tonereads based on nothing but given no one reads my filters i'll just settle on duh | ||
WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
August 28 2015 17:38 GMT
#2214
On August 29 2015 02:34 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 02:34 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 29 2015 02:33 marvellosity wrote: On August 29 2015 02:32 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 29 2015 02:31 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 29 2015 02:30 Trfel wrote: On August 29 2015 02:27 WaveofShadow wrote: All three scum.On August 29 2015 02:23 Trfel wrote: WaveofShadow, why do you think I am mafia? And yes, I'm too lazy to read your filter. I'll go with rsoultin and VisceraEyes being town for now. More confident on VisceraEyes. Nah, you give me a read first. CC/KSC/ and if you have time do one on me, because if I remember correctly all you've had to say on me was 'I'm making no progress with WoS.' Your turn. Not good enough. You've solved the game and have no reasons for it? Like that actually doesn't make any sense at all. The entirety of D1 was my two scummates bussing me? Eh...maybe that's not the worst thing actually. Seems kinda dumb to me off the bat though. you're taking it a lot more seriously than i took that post Well he's clearly serious. On August 29 2015 02:33 Trfel wrote: On August 29 2015 02:31 WaveofShadow wrote: Process of elimination.On August 29 2015 02:30 Trfel wrote: On August 29 2015 02:27 WaveofShadow wrote: All three scum.On August 29 2015 02:23 Trfel wrote: WaveofShadow, why do you think I am mafia? And yes, I'm too lazy to read your filter. I'll go with rsoultin and VisceraEyes being town for now. More confident on VisceraEyes. Nah, you give me a read first. CC/KSC/ and if you have time do one on me, because if I remember correctly all you've had to say on me was 'I'm making no progress with WoS.' Your turn. Not good enough. You've solved the game and have no reasons for it? It's not the worst poe I ever saw. Knowing that I'm town I find it fairly difficult to see a scumteam of KSC and CC agreeing to both go hard on me for the entirety of D1. The scenario of all three of us scum is strangely more believable I suppose but I know it's factually untrue so that doesn't get me anywhere. | ||
MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
August 28 2015 17:38 GMT
#2215
On August 29 2015 02:36 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 02:35 MoosyDoosy wrote: On August 29 2015 02:35 rsoultin wrote: i'd care but cc is prob mafia and if he isn't i'm prob not around that long anyway so lynch away -rolls around the thread- so ur ok w/ mr. cc lyncherino shenanigans? i'd tell you to read my filter before making tonereads based on nothing but given no one reads my filters i'll just settle on duh no actually i knew u were up for mr. cc lyncherino stuff but i just wanted an ironclad statement from u. thx for ur participating. btw i am currently slogging thru ur filter and i can say that it is actually cancer for the eyes. | ||
Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
August 28 2015 17:38 GMT
#2216
So I was townreading Moosy for most of day 1, but these are the things that give me pause concerning his end of day behavior. There are a few things I could say about his day 1 play being mafia indicative, but I forgot them when I began townreading him. On August 27 2015 11:05 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 11:02 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On August 27 2015 10:55 MoosyDoosy wrote: On August 27 2015 10:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On August 27 2015 10:50 MoosyDoosy wrote: On August 27 2015 10:41 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On August 27 2015 10:32 MoosyDoosy wrote: On August 27 2015 10:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Moosy I'm here entertain me Why exactly did you say that JAT was town earlier? What post/argument in particular made you change your mind. I said somewhere that JAT was town, but I didn't really have a reason for it. I thought that Palmar's argument was bad, and figured that JAT was just the victim of Palmar's rage. He was probably just town being attacked. I did think, though, the way he stood his ground against Palmar was townie. However, somewhere along the line I realized that no matter JAT's alignment he can't just back down. I still don't think that Palmar's case has any weight, and this meta stuff i don't care about. I told JAT I'd lynch him if he didn't do anything productive, and that's true. He's complained about Palmar scumreading him but hasn't really done much (scumhunting) to earn himself a pass for today. So...town read? scum read? null read? exactly where is he on ur list of reads. It's evolved from probably just town to nullish into I-have-no-idea lol Why didn't you just read him as an angry townie and instead scum read JAT down to a null read? -shrugs- if you think there's no real case on him then he should be a town in your eyes. If that's the case, I think you should try to work with him to calm him down and get him to be productive. Instead i saw you scum reading him for being accused of what's "no real case" and getting angry over it. I agree there was / is no real case on him, but JAT's reaction to the pressure is pretty horrible because he isn't doing anything productive. I figure if he were townie he'd shrug off the pressure and just give his reads. Right? I think mafia have a higher propensity to get angry about being scumread. I also wanted to see his reaction to me flipping on him. His reaction was thus: On August 27 2015 06:58 justanothertownie wrote: On August 27 2015 06:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: JAT I need your top scumread. I could lynch you because I think you are being objectively scummy by sulking that Palmar is being a meanie pants. So if you're town please brush yourself off and behind anew like a phoenix rising from it's ashes. Produce all that content that others are not providing. Haha, you are a funny one. Weren't you the guy harddefending me earlier? And now you want to lynch me for being "objectively scummy" even though I wasn't even in the thread since then? It's midnight, I am drunk and I have to get up early tomorrow. If you think I will put any serious effort in right now you are delusional. It's part incorrect, part weird since he liked my posts about Wave. I also asked him nicely to be productive and rise from his ashes. hmm...ok. Not lynching Cheesycakes today or D2 unless something radical comes up. I'd like reads from Trfel~~ On August 28 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: Just a revised list. Town circle: palmar, marv, kelsier, cheesecake, wave, rsoultin Town lean: visceraeyes Null: vivax would lynch: justanothertownie, hopeless, trfel, boxerfred, deconduo Note that in every game I've played one mafia does make it in to my townie circle but the other 2 should be in the null/would lynch categories. Not fond of lynching inactives right now like hopeless/boxer/decon so i'd like to settle between JAT/trfel while vivax is a big ??? for me. I'm expecting more from boxer/decon as well while I've given up hopeless as a hopeless case (puns). I'd like JAT's thoughts on Trfel in particular. okokok? Next posts are: On August 28 2015 04:22 MoosyDoosy wrote: ##unvote ##vote Mr. Cheesecake On August 28 2015 04:53 MoosyDoosy wrote: I'm up for shennanies on Trfel/Vivax/Mr. Cheesycakes What? So Moosy claims to have a townread on me, put me in his town circle, claim he will never lynch me day 1 / 2, and then proceeds to vote on me with no explanation in-between. It's like he forgot he was even townreading me. The rest of his play (the troll vote switches, etc) make little sense as either alignment so I won't attempt to discern the motivation behind it. On August 28 2015 06:39 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 06:37 justanothertownie wrote: On August 28 2015 06:34 rsoultin wrote: your three jat I made a list and it is still absolutely accurate. Maybe I do not want to lynch WoS as much anymore but I can lynch anyone between Trfel/deconduo/bf/Vivax/Hopeless and CC. I'd like to wait on Trfel/Vivax, I town tone read decon, which leaves us with Boxerfred/Hopeless/CC. I'm fine with lynching any of these three tbh. Then suddenly Moosy wants to wait on Trfel/Vivax for no reason. Moosy needs to explain this day 2 or become lynched. On August 28 2015 07:10 MoosyDoosy wrote: ...i relaly didn't expect this Fake. His behavior for the remainder of N1 has been bleh. Wave I still don't know. His sheep of Palmar, admittance of not reading Palmar's reasons for wanting to lynch JAT but still calling Palmar's read 'pretty good', giant filter-case only after I continually prodded him to do so only to reach the conclusion that the situation on JAT is different than what he assumed, but he is still going to sheep Palmar... It's so weird. Who does these things as town? Who does these things as Mafia? At end of day he's the first to vote boxer--does mafia want to be the first on the wagon? Probably not. I'm just going to concede my read on him as null, and I'd vote him tomorrow. I would not be opposed to a vig shot on him. Vivax I think vivax began being reasonable about halfway through his filter, but I still don't enjoy the first page. He makes a decent point able Trfel: On August 28 2015 05:14 Vivax wrote: Another reason for lynching Trfel: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 17:59 Trfel wrote: Reads from Trfel! + Show Spoiler [Pointless Fluff] + Yes, the section of my post marked "Pointless Fluff" is entirely necessary. You must read it. I've been listening to this song a lot over the past few days. I like it a lot. This one too. They're good songs, listen to them. It'll improve your scumhunting. Anyway, I'm kind of sad that I'm mostly able to play when most people are sleeping. How boring. So I'll just make a fancy list post. Town Palmar + Show Spoiler + I don't have a very good record of reading Palmar in the past. But I'm still pretty confident that Palmar is town here for the way he's been driven and focused. He's provided insightful comments and I like his push on justanothertownie. His tone also feels relaxed. I know this doesn't make him town, as he is capable of having a relaxed tone as mafia, but in this game his tone is most natural when he's giving reads on (arguably) harder-to-read players, which feels much harder to fake than normal relaxed tone. marvellosity + Show Spoiler + Marvellosity is definitely capable of tricking me, but I feel he's likely town here. If he isn't, it should be more clear in a few days, anyway. Marvellosity feels more driven here than as mafia in Assassination Mafia, where he played well enough to avoid being lynched and have some thread presence, but was not above suspicion. Given how much he enjoys playing mafia, I wouldn't really expect him to increase his effort compared to that game. Town Lean MoosyDoosy + Show Spoiler + On August 26 2015 22:43 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2015 22:42 KelsierSC wrote: On August 26 2015 22:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: wait Marv what is your read on JAT? Like me, you didn't think his question was dumb The question wasn't the best question ever but I don't think the case on him is that good at the moment it comes down to that q and him not being "jatty" Yeah this. I don't really see much on JAT. If he's mafia, he'll still be mafia later in the day anyway. I think we should focus on Trfel rite now. On August 26 2015 22:46 MoosyDoosy wrote: These posts don't really make sense. Why does he want to talk about me (Trfel), when all he wants is an answer to my question? That's not something he can get while I'm not present. He seems to realize that discussing me at this time doesn't help with anything, and doesn't mention me for quite some time.Show nested quote + On August 26 2015 22:45 rsoultin wrote: On August 26 2015 22:43 MoosyDoosy wrote: On August 26 2015 22:42 KelsierSC wrote: On August 26 2015 22:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: wait Marv what is your read on JAT? Like me, you didn't think his question was dumb The question wasn't the best question ever but I don't think the case on him is that good at the moment it comes down to that q and him not being "jatty" Yeah this. I don't really see much on JAT. If he's mafia, he'll still be mafia later in the day anyway. I think we should focus on Trfel rite now. truffle's probably town with the stipulation that he didn't make me laugh :/ I'd still like an answer to why he asked for an opinion on marv when there was literally almost nothing that marv had posted. I feel like it's getting punted to the side while people are trying to kill JAT. I don't find his interactions with WaveofShadow scummy. But this post: On August 26 2015 23:45 MoosyDoosy wrote: is all wrong. The majority of WaveofShadow's posts at this point were jokes. He never called rsoultin out, and jokes can't really be seen as having a direct manner. The only things he directly committed to are finding scum and voting for marvellosity (which clearly wasn't a hard commitment, as expected). This post doesn't make much sense. I would like an explanation from MoosyDoosy (tone doesn't align with direct manner and calling out rsoultin when the posts are jokes).Show nested quote + On August 26 2015 23:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Moosy you never substantiated on your wave!town read His willingness to call out rsoul and his direct manner when he posts. tone reads basically Tone seems very relaxed and seems to show a town mindset. In general, his thought process and reads match and are sensible. KelsierSC + Show Spoiler + The downside is that KelsierSC is quite good as mafia. He showed this in Gaiden 1. I like his questioning to MoosyDoosy about his townread of WaveofShadow, but he drops it before reaching a real conclusion based on this. I'm fine with this read for now, anyway. Mr. Cheesecake + Show Spoiler + I'm sleepy. A lot of it's tone, and I don't feel like his reads are too constructed/clean/correct. Though this is a weak read. Null rsoultin + Show Spoiler + I refuse to be wrong on rsoultin. I can accomplish that by not giving a read. (Plus I'm sleepy, basically always think rsoultin is town, and don't think that rsoultin is a good lynch today even if I found a few things that made me suspicious) ![]() Mafia Lean VisceraEyes + Show Spoiler + First he votes for WaveofShadow, and then decides to change his vote to MoosyDoosy based on how MoosyDoosy kept talking to WaveofShadow. On August 27 2015 00:34 VisceraEyes wrote: This isn't a convincing case at all. VisceraEyes starts out by saying that he thinks that MoosyDoosy is pocketing WaveofShadow, but this is reasonable from town, but he gets a bad feeling anyway. Then he says that he can see something that can be considered towny may be able to come from a mafia perspective. And then he says it's better than voting for someone who is AFK.Okay so I filtered Moosy, and the reason I thought he was one of the Wave pushers is because of the sheer number of times he mentions Wave's name, but it's in the context of "I want to hear from Wave" or "Game so hard w/o Wave" etc. Based on this, I think it's actually more likely that Wave is town and Moosy is like, appealing to him or something. Trying to slip him in his pocket. Only problem with that is that he and Wave are like, TLLOLOTDT buddies, so it's not unreasonable to think that he's doing this as town....I just get a really bad feeling off Moosy. The flip on marv. Ummmmmm.....I can see that from a mafia perspective. Especially if he's not super aware of Marv's meta, maybe his partners were like "WHOA BUDDY, BETTER TURN THAT SHIT AROUND" after he posted about lynching marv. Marv's right though, in a vacuum it seems townie. Eeehhhhhhh....I like it better than an AFK Wave vote anyway. Certainly better than a JAT vote. ##Unvote ##Vote: MoosyDoosy Which results in a vote on MoosyDoosy. VisceraEyes doesn't seem convinced by his own case. And he's downplaying his earlier vote on WaveofShadow, which felt really out of place anyway. I don't understand why he voted for WaveofShadow in the first place. The strength he places in his WaveofShadow read seems to vary a lot: On August 27 2015 00:10 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 00:05 marvellosity wrote: On August 27 2015 00:04 marvellosity wrote: On August 27 2015 00:02 VisceraEyes wrote: On August 27 2015 00:01 Palmar wrote: On August 26 2015 23:56 VisceraEyes wrote: Meh I think JAT is town and Palmar can lick a [redacted] lamppost in wintertime. WHO IS MAFIA THEN EINSTEIN? I kinda like the Wave sentiment. FMP, the people hanging in the background not taking a side on the issue are the suspicious ones with regard to the whole JAT thing. name names, babe ^ do this though. ##Vote: WaveofShadow Beyond that, Moosy is kinda not taking a side, which I find super strange, and there are several people who have yet to even post. On August 27 2015 00:34 VisceraEyes wrote: [case on MoosyDoosy] Eeehhhhhhh....I like it better than an AFK Wave vote anyway. Certainly better than a JAT vote. ##Unvote ##Vote: MoosyDoosy On August 27 2015 00:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I didn't like Wave's entrance, worst in the thread besides marv's. Then he disappeared which I find to be extremely out of character for Wave. I'm interested to hear why you think I'm focusing around him so much though, I've spent WAY more posts trying to oppose a JAT lynch and appealing to marv and Palmar. On August 27 2015 02:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 01:59 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 27 2015 01:57 marvellosity wrote: On August 27 2015 01:53 WaveofShadow wrote: No wait. Dumb. Shadow game. yes, how could you forget one of my most comprehensive mafia triumphs ![]() Yeh that was a very good one. One of the best games I've ever had the pleasure of playing in. Marv do you not think that VE has similar cohones to me in that he does not fear taking you/Palmar on as scum? I don't think Palmar's OMGUS has any particular true reason behind it but I don't think VE is ruled out. Wait wait wait, have you even READ my posts? I've had nearly an IDENTICAL thought process as you have based on your posts, and you're not ruling me out? Are you fucking mafia Wave?!?!? VisceraEyes transitions from voting for WaveofShadow to seemingly being surprised and not having considered that WaveofShadow could be mafia. Hopeless1der + Show Spoiler + He generally doesn't play as mafia. He was mafia last game, didn't play, and died. This game, he said he would play, confirmed, and then hasn't posted anything yet. justanothertownie + Show Spoiler + Not going to repeat everything that's been mentioned about him. But I find it very hard to get a read on him because it seems like justanothertownie is a player who is very self-confident and prides himself in always being right. Thus, when people disagree with him and push him all game, I can see him getting caught up arguing with them when it clearly isn't going anywhere, I can see him constantly insulting and throwing scum on people he later says are probably town, I can see him sort of playing like this. In the end, I'm torn. I think that his play is objectively bad, but I'm not sure if that makes him scum here. The biggest problem I have with him is that he simply isn't pushing his reads. Here's justanothertownie's filter with only the read progression (only including the main scum reads, excluding all of the stuff to rsoultin/Palmar due to previously mentioned reasons)
What I don't see is an actual push. He's said the same point about me (Trfel) many times (saying it's one of the best things in the thread), and people have disagreed. But he hasn't said much about the rest of my play. He hasn't commented on a single thing I've done being towny, but he doesn't seem convinced that anything I've done outside of that one post makes me scum. I don't see him really pushing WaveofShadow, either. He said that WaveofShadow might be the first mafia joining the push [on himself], but never said more (other than agreeing with Mr. Cheesecake's posts about him). Justanothertownie hasn't seemed very motivated at trying to convince people or push one of his scumreads. He hasn't even voted yet. It almost feels like he's too frustrated to lead an actual push himself, and is throwing some suspicion and waiting to vote with whatever people like. Which is a mafia-motivated mindset. Not making much progress on WaveofShadow, going to just go to bed. I don't really feel like I want to lynch justanothertownie right now, though that could change. Also, it's funny how nicely my reads list matches the player list XD Show nested quote + On August 28 2015 03:29 Trfel wrote: On August 28 2015 03:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Hm, okay.Shenanigans lynch Vivax boys ##Vote: Vivax ##vote Vivax He sheeped his town lean over marv/Palmar on his scumlean, and he didn't even mention me previously. He had a total of 3 options here and he chose to vote for me on a whim without even mentioning me in his big post. Which is also a reason I wanted to lynch WoS. I think he needs to be more active day 2. JAT He is probably just town. He actually began doing things after I asked him to. His read on me is wrong, and mostly for TMI/too clean posts, which I find most people are incorrectly pinging me out for. I think tons of people were willing to jump on the JAT wagon too early and it made me wary of the entire prospect of lynching him. I dont necessarily agree with the giant filter-cases he's given day 1; I just think the effort involved in created those cases is more indicative of town as opposed to scum. Hopeless Vig him. That said, he is probably just town and the wagons yesterday were both town. Him flipping does give us a lot of information, however. If Hopeless is mafia then ee would know that mafia are more likely to vote on Boxerfred early. If he's town, we know that mafia have no preference as to where the vote lands. VE I have no idea why I am leaning town for him now. Especially considering most of the game is scumreading me for questionable reasons and he made a giant waffle post about me re: wave case. Otherwise, I've been enjoying his pressure on Palmar and I largely agree with the reasons for most of his mafia reads (he is suspicious of Palmar, which I am as well, but probably won't get him lynched tomorrow, agree on Trfel and Moosy is being extremely weird) Because of that, he is probably town right now. Decondou Also a good vig shot and would-lynch. The entirety of his game so far has been terrible. On August 27 2015 03:39 deconduo wrote: ##Vote: MoosyDoosy On August 27 2015 03:44 deconduo wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 03:43 MoosyDoosy wrote: On August 27 2015 03:37 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 27 2015 03:30 rsoultin wrote: don't know him + too early lol >< You REALLY think moosy needs us this badly as to ask that question? -shrugs- it was a check. i town tone read deconduo because he seemed relaxed. It was a simple question that i just wanted to line up my own read with. Hey, stop being nice. I want to tunnel someone ![]() Largely sarcastic early-game with no real follow up. He has yet to justify the following reads on moosy and kels: On August 28 2015 03:05 deconduo wrote: I'm pretty sure Kesier and Moosy are town. I like the cases against Hopeless and the trfel more than the one against JAT at the moment. I'm gonna read a bit more and make a decision. The rest of his play has been to attempt to bury Hopeless during the final minutes of the day, and disappear once BF flips. Of course, knowing Hopeless' alignment would help us out tremendously here. Also, I think if JAT is mafia, Decondou is probably his partner with the way he dismissed the JAT case. KSC I will say that he has been on my side most of this game. He is one of the only people townreading me. When I ping out wave, he is right there to support the pressure against wave. When I point out Moosy's terrible vote on me, KSC takes note of it and pressures Moosy to explain. He offered to lynch Vivax with me. We were on the same side of the Hopeless lynch. And yet, when I ask him to talk about Wave and present a little bit of conjecture on the matter, he responds: On August 28 2015 03:03 KelsierSC wrote: that's never a good thing to hear without commenting on my post. I think KSC might be mafia attempting to pocket me by defending me and going after the scumreads I have which are incorrect. I think he's in a position where he can justify to lynch almost anyone in the game. Look at this post: On August 27 2015 21:20 KelsierSC wrote: List time Town Rsoultin - Tone read and her attitude to the game feels towny to me, interactions with JAT, myself, Trefl etc. despite her best attempts she has been very reasonable. Marv - I like his interaction with palmar early in the day and the way his reads have progressed has felt town. Palmar - I was a bit skeptical of palmar because his play has been to just push JAT, but i've seen a few posts I like that make me think he's town. and his chats with marv. leads to Trefl - Same reasons as palmar I like a few of the posts. He was the first person to really dive into the game and question VE. Plus I agreed with his meta read on Hopeless. CC - I just really like to read when he writes it makes me tingle. In terms of his reads I agree with the point he raised initially about JAT, VE - I had a mindmeld with him about moosy early on, . I liked his concern about palmar/marv . overall just agreed with a lot of his thoughts. Scum Wave - This comes down to a few points. One is his reentry to the thread saying oh yeh JAT is mafia but I can't get a further read because palmar is pushing him, it feels like trying to absolve himself of rseponsibility if the lynch is bad. The second point is how he tries to point out that moosy is pocketing him. Show nested quote + Moosy because pocketing efforts when I am the only one in this game he knows to be 'good.' I say 'good' because I have been SUPER on point in the last whole bunch of games I've played (as both alignments for once) and Moosy correctly realizes that I could be a threat based on that. he then wants to get moosy's thoughts and responds thusly. Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 01:18 WaveofShadow wrote: I am interested in Moosy's thoughts now that I have arrived. Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 02:12 WaveofShadow wrote: Like MAYBE I can see Moosy giving lynch wagon credit to rsoul. Maybe. But me? And since I've come back Moosy has asked me a few random questions that just seem really disjointed---like i don't get the feeling of why he needed me to come back in the first place so urgently. ok what did he make of all of moosy's actions? Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 07:46 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 27 2015 07:43 KelsierSC wrote: wave what did you get from moosy, you said you wanted thoughts from him. I'll give proper thoughts later but as I recall he hasn't done that much since I asked, has he? which is not true at all, Moosy had posted like a whole other page of stuff including changing his vote and giving a list of reads, feel like wave should be more invested than that. overall it just feels like he is happy to lynch JAT without commital whilst throwing suspicion at moosy. Hopeless - CC and Trefl made the best points about this. I totally agree Vivax - I trust Rsoultin on this one, he has done absolutely nothing except ask a few weird questions nulls moosy - I don't see mafia moosy going "hey scum buddy wave help me out" but moosy has been very inconsistent however he has inserted himself into most points of the game and tried to question/give opinions...i generally have a low tolerance for inconsistincies and I think moosy may be... confused town if that makes sense. About JAT So the main thing about him right now is that he "hasn't done anything" well a couple of things here if you look through his filter you actually do see things, he didn't like wave and made points about him he didn't like trefl later on in teh day when trefl was completely missing sarcasm/jokes. he was pushing things. the apparent obstinance is because of palmar's fuck you you're mafia. I'd want to see more from JAT as things go on but I don't think he has been scummy. bf and decon - unaware of meta but AFK is shitty, i thought bf was a tryhard but...see what they do The townreads seem pretty impermanent, though I can't blame him because I don't think I have a solid 100% town read this game yet. The townreads are loosly based on non-specific information like this "felt town" "few posts that make me think he's town" and "I like the way his reads have progressed" which are all extremely vague and can be double-backed on, reinforced, and frankly easily made-up as mafia. His scumread on Hopeless actually SITES me as a reference. What? He said that I made good points about Hopeless-presumably that he was mafia. I never made any points up until that concerning Hopeless being mafia. I literally said these posts: On August 27 2015 11:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Decondou and boxer are more scummy than Hopeless, if you want to talk about people that have a few posts. The info about hopeless is literally all OGI and irrelevant to this game imo On August 27 2015 11:15 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2015 11:11 Trfel wrote: On August 27 2015 11:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Hopeless1der is more likely to be scum than the other two because of meta.Decondou and boxer are more scummy than Hopeless, if you want to talk about people that have a few posts. The info about hopeless is literally all OGI and irrelevant to this game imo http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491681-tropical-storm-mini-mafia Here you go. It's not irrelevant, it's very relevant, and very useful. Okay, so Hopeless is demoralized due to his last scum game and doesn't want to post. Or, he could just as easily be busy with whatever it is Hopeless does in his non-mafia time. Or he's town and just has no reads. Or he's just plainly disinterested in this game as either alignment, and is waiting to blow our minds. When his actual content within the realm of this game matches the game you've posted, then I will consider the information valuable. both of which give a null read on him, and chastise Trfel for giving meta on Hopeless when he'd not even posted up to that point in the thread. KSC clearly did not read my posts. How could he think both Trfel and I have good points when Trfel attacks Hopeless and I dismiss Trfel's claims? I'm extremely wary of KSC and would like to see him die right now. I also think Trfel could easily be scum wit KSC. If you're looking for a standalone Trfel read, It's simply kinda scummy for no specific reasons given and I'd like to lynch him. I'm reserving judgment on Palmar and Marv. Hopefully if they are town either of them dies in the night and makes the game easier to figure out. Rsoultin is probably town. So right now kill Hopeless / Decondou for obvious reasons, KSC / Trfel can probably get lynched as well. Wave's on the line with vivax/VE above him. | ||
WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
August 28 2015 17:38 GMT
#2217
On August 29 2015 02:36 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 02:35 marvellosity wrote: On August 29 2015 02:34 rsoultin wrote: On August 29 2015 02:33 justanothertownie wrote: On August 29 2015 02:32 rsoultin wrote: On August 29 2015 02:29 MoosyDoosy wrote: idk i'm tryna look at everyone in a new light and rsoul may be scum. in that same vein, i like the way that visceraeyes has been posting. it's not the content per se, but the manner in which he does it. it's like the key to reading him similar to tictock. this still doesn't say why what do you like about his posting? what makes you think i could be scum? really moosy just saying that you like chocolate over and over but don't like vanilla isn't terribly informative I think that analogy isn't exactly perfect. mmm no i'm actually not very vanilla ![]() liked my role blurb in Personality btw <3 glad you approve ME TOO RSOUL | ||
marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
August 28 2015 17:38 GMT
#2218
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
August 28 2015 17:39 GMT
#2219
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
August 28 2015 17:39 GMT
#2220
On August 29 2015 02:38 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 02:36 rsoultin wrote: On August 29 2015 02:35 MoosyDoosy wrote: On August 29 2015 02:35 rsoultin wrote: i'd care but cc is prob mafia and if he isn't i'm prob not around that long anyway so lynch away -rolls around the thread- so ur ok w/ mr. cc lyncherino shenanigans? i'd tell you to read my filter before making tonereads based on nothing but given no one reads my filters i'll just settle on duh no actually i knew u were up for mr. cc lyncherino stuff but i just wanted an ironclad statement from u. thx for ur participating. btw i am currently slogging thru ur filter and i can say that it is actually cancer for the eyes. -squints at- | ||
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