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On August 10 2015 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean like the power roles are determined by a certain criteria. If everyone or almost everyone is a role the game gets... well really easy for the town. If that's not the case what's the point of the second post in the thread? Just because there are certain things that need to be done in order to balance a closed setup unless you throw it all around in a specific way. It will ensure massclaiming is a really good strategy, or otherwise the game is not going to be balanced in the first place. i think the point of the 2nd post is: 1) take a chill pill 2) if he randomizes and all the roles land on new players he will "adjust" accordingly 3) it's a closed setup which has its inherent advantages and disadvantages, if you ain't about that lyfe, then you ain't about that lyfe. 4) take a chill pill | ||
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On August 10 2015 07:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't understand any of that post ritoky because it has nothing to do with what i said. i think you didn't read the 2nd post of the thread then. | ||
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On August 10 2015 11:03 Breshke wrote: I think rit misunderstood that when onegu said the frequent players will be roles he didn't mean he will be giving those players roles but actually making roles with their names. Like someone could get the "Rsoultin" role if they are really unlucky o, guess i might have misread it? the way it reads tho reads like role rigging rather than user names as roles. | ||
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On August 10 2015 12:02 Onegu wrote: No no no. IF you have been a active player you could be a actual role. Like people said you could get the rsoultin role if rsoulting is a role in this game... well in case you ever need more role ideas: http://mikeburnfire.deviantart.com/art/Mafia-Roles-72597749 | ||
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Here's how it works: 1) you will all follow me because i am better than you. 2) i will choose who we lynch every phase via RNG, then we will lynch him without question. the RNG will be determined by this post (the one you're reading right now). each post is assigned a unique id on team liquid which cannot be manipulated because of the rate of posts on TL; this makes it the perfect candidate for determining people via RNG. then from that post id i will use the following formula to determine whom is the candidate for lynch: (sum of each individual digit in the post id [ex: 1111 = 4]) / 21 [number of players alive in game] * coefficient of the thread's stupidity this formula will provide a number from 1 to 21, we will lynch the player it determines without hesitation or questioning. no possible explanation or reasoning could convince me that RNG lynching is in any way sub-optimal play. please bow before the RNG and watch it carry us to victory. | ||
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##vote: Fidei86 Fidei, your lynch has been determined by RNG, please submit to death mafia scum. | ||
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On August 19 2015 07:12 ruXxar wrote: I no believe this good idea. what if you roll me o_O Look roughly speaking there are 21 players, right? if 6 of them are scum, then that gives us a solid 30% chance of lynching scum purely based on RNG. Now, this isn't the ideal ratio, I understand. Often, town can sometimes, occasionally makes miracles out of idiocy for D1 lynches. But unless you put together a better case, the fact of the matter is, I'm offering a straight-up 30% chance to lynch someone. And I think that's better than anything anyone else has offered. Why do you not want a 30% chance to lynch mafia 100% of the time? | ||
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RNG has determined it. | ||
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On August 19 2015 07:46 Fecalfeast wrote: YOU DON'T ACCUSE SOMEONE OF BEING MAFIA WITH RNG YOU GO HARD AT THEM YOU ARE SCUM Fidei is mafia, that is a fact. But playing the fair judge's game in order to see if the judge has the mental capabilities of grasping truth will allow me to determine if the judge is incompetent or not. | ||
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You deny that fidei was RNG'd? | ||
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On August 19 2015 07:52 ruXxar wrote: I dont think thats how you play mafia lol. he hasnt said anything yet. Explain why anyone else in the thread has a greater than 30% chance of being mafia, otherwise you are being a fool and playing sub-optimally. Clearly fidei is the best target in the thread and no one else is even close to consideration. | ||
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On August 19 2015 07:56 ruXxar wrote: I dont have a read on fidei yet. How can i decide. You don't need a read, he is mafia. RNG has determined it. Even further, you mention he has yet to post yet. Fidei's lack of posting thus far in the game only further illustrates that he is a low contribution player. He is objectively doing the least amount possible to help town. Reviewing him in the DB he contributed 8 pages of content in 6 phases of play constituting a rate of 1.333 pages per phase; meaning the pace he is currently on is approximately what he will do the rest of the game. Fidei is scum, and the optimal play is to consolidate and lynch him. | ||
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On August 19 2015 08:30 Fecalfeast wrote: RNG can create good discussion around the subject but this is not going anywhere And what are you doing to drive discussion? Who has a greater than 30% chance of being mafia? Don't cast stones if you are a glass house. Simply vote fidei because I am better than you and I know what is right. | ||
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On August 19 2015 08:24 Chezinu wrote: Ok cool. You roll the dice ->random.org<- Who is it? Random.org screenshots can be manipulated, whereas applying a post # to a formula is provable in all situations. | ||
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On August 19 2015 08:35 Chezinu wrote: So, you are saying you are seriously about this lynch? I see no better option currently. No case has been made that is compelling enough to outweigh a 30% chance of hitting mafia. | ||
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After reviewing the game, I have arrived at the same place. Fidei is the best candidate for lynch both objectively and subjectively. The Objective Case: RNG has selected fidei, he is mafia. If you need an explanation of how he was selected please reference my filter. Outside of that RNG is PARTICULARLY suited for this game. This is a closed setup, and historically in closed setups there is an incredibly strong likelihood that there are more anti-town players than are normally in an open setup. So with that alone our probability of hitting mafia from RNG has already increased by a significant margin. However, there is more. We are playing a game in which people are attempting to act like other people and mask their own play as someone else's. This means that day 1 reads and particularly day 1 meta reads have a diminished rate of accuracy. Meaning RNG is the optimal line of play. A situation with increased odds of hitting mafia and diminished validity of meta reads clearly points to RNG being the objective best line of play. The Subjective Case: Outside of RNG declaring fidei mafia, he is actually mafia. Consider his posting thus far: On August 19 2015 08:33 Fidei86 wrote: Ritoky, I can't get a read on you and usually we soul read each other. I think that basically means you're confirmed mafia, because if I can't read you then it means you're mafia, and usually we can tell each other's read a scarily uncanny amount of the time. Also, pushing scum doesn't make me mafia, it makes me town. Come on people. [serious]This game started while I was out with friends, and am currently quite toasty. Will read tomorrow and revert.[/serious] There are 3 aspects to this post that I would like to highlight: 1) The most classic mafia play ever: "Notice me senpai -> excuse about activity". His final sentence has no point other than to say hi I am here and fade away. 2) He is drunk or at least partially. This is important because drunk people are more prone to letting slip things or not being careful with their wording. Will be revisited later. 3) His immediate entrance response into the thread is to seek out me and essentially claim a personality to me in a very half-assed manner. First and foremost there is not point to this because he knows who I am and once RNG has declared him mafia, appeals to emotion are pointless only hard logic can deter me. Secondly, it may be coincidence but singling out the only person calling him mafia and appealing to them directly reads as an over-response to pressure. And finally the half-assed imitation. This will require some explanation. I think people who are committing heavily to trying to act the part of the player they got rolled into and are sticking to it for a decent portion of time are very likely to be town. I feel that it is a risky play to play in a manner unlike yourself and in one that could potentially draw lynch attention to you for not playing "serious". Mafia are averse to both risk and lynch pressure on day 1, and thus would be less apt to fully commit to acting the part of someone else. I do not necessarily read legitimate frustration with the game type or completely ignoring who you rolled as scum though, I don't think the converse works. However, the half-ass attempts read as scum to me because it seems as if it is a mere "LOL"/attention grab for a few moments for them or a tool to further their agenda. This is the area fidei falls into in my mind. Continuing on, and credit to Tubesock on the find here: On August 19 2015 08:51 Fidei86 wrote: The person who has Chezinu should be pretty obvious, and they haven't revealed themselves yet. On August 19 2015 09:00 Fidei86 wrote: The only Chezinu I have been exposed to is the Onegu version of Chezinu. No hate because I haven't seen the true Chezuinu in action. On August 19 2015 09:09 Tubesock wrote: Then what was the purpose of your Chezinu is obvious and no one's outed yet post? Seems to many in the thread that Damdred is obviously Chezinu... This goes hand in hand with point #2 from above, that fidei is drunk. He made an obvious error that speaks for itself. I can elaborate further, but I feel these consecutive quotes are very self explanatory. Not only did tubesock find it important but so did others: And what was fidei's response to this important question? On August 19 2015 09:18 Fidei86 wrote: Assuming at some point that that will stop and this will revert to a regular mafia game? Ignoring it and complaining. I hate to break it to you, but this is a regular mafia game already, and this is a real accusation; and you really are mafia. Fidei is objectively and subjectively the best lynch in the game, anyone not voting for him is taking a sub-optimal line of play and is bad. | ||
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On August 19 2015 13:34 The Shining wrote: Actually yeah no 200+ posts is way too much, I'm not reading all that. someone fill me in? who is scum? Fidei is scum, RNG declared it so. | ||
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On August 19 2015 13:20 Breshke wrote: That's why i was saying it makes sense if that is in fact what he was doing Is FF fantasy football mafia? Because this is BH's explanation of his RNG lynch. This is not what ritoky did. The methods you have outlined here are clearly outdated and old fashioned. We have a database that compiles statistics and choosing not to compile those statistical tendencies into your RNG formula is very poor judgment, irresponsible, and poo pooing on those who work so hard to compile said statistics. Although it is a secret formula, I will share it with you. People are stupid when they lose, thus the coefficient of the thread's stupidity is: the inverse of the average of all players' winrates. or 1/[(sum of players winrates)/(total players)]. Plugging this value into the equation gives you 4.114, which I have rounded based on standard mathematical practices to 4. + Show Spoiler + it's called parody | ||
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On August 19 2015 10:18 ritoky wrote: We should lynch Fidei After reviewing the game, I have arrived at the same place. Fidei is the best candidate for lynch both objectively and subjectively. The Objective Case: RNG has selected fidei, he is mafia. If you need an explanation of how he was selected please reference my filter. Outside of that RNG is PARTICULARLY suited for this game. This is a closed setup, and historically in closed setups there is an incredibly strong likelihood that there are more anti-town players than are normally in an open setup. So with that alone our probability of hitting mafia from RNG has already increased by a significant margin. However, there is more. We are playing a game in which people are attempting to act like other people and mask their own play as someone else's. This means that day 1 reads and particularly day 1 meta reads have a diminished rate of accuracy. Meaning RNG is the optimal line of play. A situation with increased odds of hitting mafia and diminished validity of meta reads clearly points to RNG being the objective best line of play. The Subjective Case: Outside of RNG declaring fidei mafia, he is actually mafia. Consider his posting thus far: There are 3 aspects to this post that I would like to highlight: 1) The most classic mafia play ever: "Notice me senpai -> excuse about activity". His final sentence has no point other than to say hi I am here and fade away. 2) He is drunk or at least partially. This is important because drunk people are more prone to letting slip things or not being careful with their wording. Will be revisited later. 3) His immediate entrance response into the thread is to seek out me and essentially claim a personality to me in a very half-assed manner. First and foremost there is not point to this because he knows who I am and once RNG has declared him mafia, appeals to emotion are pointless only hard logic can deter me. Secondly, it may be coincidence but singling out the only person calling him mafia and appealing to them directly reads as an over-response to pressure. And finally the half-assed imitation. This will require some explanation. I think people who are committing heavily to trying to act the part of the player they got rolled into and are sticking to it for a decent portion of time are very likely to be town. I feel that it is a risky play to play in a manner unlike yourself and in one that could potentially draw lynch attention to you for not playing "serious". Mafia are averse to both risk and lynch pressure on day 1, and thus would be less apt to fully commit to acting the part of someone else. I do not necessarily read legitimate frustration with the game type or completely ignoring who you rolled as scum though, I don't think the converse works. However, the half-ass attempts read as scum to me because it seems as if it is a mere "LOL"/attention grab for a few moments for them or a tool to further their agenda. This is the area fidei falls into in my mind. Continuing on, and credit to Tubesock on the find here: This goes hand in hand with point #2 from above, that fidei is drunk. He made an obvious error that speaks for itself. I can elaborate further, but I feel these consecutive quotes are very self explanatory. Not only did tubesock find it important but so did others: And what was fidei's response to this important question? Ignoring it and complaining. I hate to break it to you, but this is a regular mafia game already, and this is a real accusation; and you really are mafia. Fidei is objectively and subjectively the best lynch in the game, anyone not voting for him is taking a sub-optimal line of play and is bad. Back to bed. The truth is like a warm glass of milk. | ||
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On August 19 2015 21:49 Fidei86 wrote: Okay, time for some real talk here. This isn't me impersonating someone, this is just me: 1. Don't play mafia when you're drunk. I basically just skimmed the threads last night, and missed most of it apparently. 2. The set-up of this game seems to me to be inherently mafia favoured. As town, everyone is mostly just excited to troll whoever's name they pulled up for all of the things that that person is perceived to do badly. I did exactly that last night. But (I) that distracts from finding mafia, (II) it allows mafia to blend in by just carrying along with the jester-like banter and, most importantly, (III) it is hard enough to spot slips or mafia tells in someone when they are just playing normally, let alone when they are impersonating someone else. 3. Following on from 2, I think that the game has to very quickly move towards the stage where town say "okay, screwing around pretending to be X or Y was fun for a day, but it's time to engage try-hard mode now." If we don't, we're going to wander aimlessly towards a lynch deadline with no mafia being pressured, no reads being forced out and generally no progress being made whatsoever. 4. If people continue to insist on posting "in character" much further, I think that is good reason to start scum reading them. 5. 3 and 4 only apply for people who are keen to win. There's nothing wrong with joining the game just to have fun goofing around as someone else. But I'm definitely in the 'tryhard' category, and will be playing as such. 6. I was accused last night by Ritoky of basically doing a bad parody of the person I was assigned. I plead guilty to that, for sure. The fact is, I have played a couple of games with the person I got, and I think they are a good player and they seem to be a nice person. But I don't really *know* them. But there's a broader point here - for newer players (like me) it's hard enough to try and work out whether someone is mafia or town based on their own play, let alone on when that person is being impersonated by someone else. Yeah, if you've played like 30 games with, say, Ritoky, you'd probably be well enough versed in his meta to guess whether someone impersonating him was town or mafia. But I haven't. I don't have any reads yet because I can't identify who people are impersonating and whether or not those impersonations are good or bad and whether or not the things I think that are scum tells are actually just exaggerated parodies (case in point is my crappy attempt at parody last night). It also doesn't help that I haven't played with most of you before, and those of you who I would claim to 'know' better (TT, HTS, Damdred) are all in heavy role-play mode atm. All of the above has led me to the point where I've settled in my mind a little bit more clearly what I am looking for, and I'll try and go back over everything that has gone before this evening. The point of this post was just to get these thoughts out there, because I think they're important. And yes, I do recognise that a long self-analysis meta post can be a scum sign. Hopefully those of you who have played town with me will recognise that I always over-explain/over-think, but also that I like to share my thought processes all the time, even when they aren't super helpful, as that way people can better follow and interpret what I say and do later on. Quick comments: 1) You spend an inordinate amount of time explaining how you are a tryhard and how people masking their play as someone else's is negatively impacting your gameplay. First, doesn't this only add credence to the RNG lynch? Secondly, why did you spend so much time explaining how tryhard you are and none of the time actually BEING a tryhard and finding mafia. 2) You don't really address the case against you at all, dismissing it as primarily illegitimate when it is quite legitimate. You actually help it by saying this game has diminished reads and re-inforces RNG as a good reason; but still you don't answer tubesock's great question. Avoidance of a very good point on multiple occaisions, one of which you were clearly sober for. Overall, this post accomplishes nothing other than complaining, it pushes town forward in no way and only re-inforces my read. | ||
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On August 19 2015 23:59 Half the Sky wrote: Fidei, reads when you can. Preferably sober. (Also Fidei I will stick to heavy role mode because this is fun...but my reads should be clear enough even in character speak. I wont refuse to make an argument in my own words though if it does help others. And I know that if I need to step out of character if it's the difference in getting Mafia lynched, then of course. If it wasn't obvious already the person I got has a very different playmate than me, but I'll still give my reads.) This justification of play seems really out of place. | ||
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I don't know how many other players are this narcissistic or deep in the wifom, but I am. Although I doubt "ritoky" is a notable enough player to be put into the game as a role; there is still the chance. So I have been trying to see anyone acting in the "ritoky" role, or what I feel would be someone parodying me. I am doing this because if I were making a game with a "ritoky" role, I would probably make said role a mafia one. Looking through the thread no one is really playing with the true lack of mental capabilities to be a "ritoky", the closest thing is the pictures and gifs in every one of JJ's posts. Thus JJ is the closest thing to a "ritoky" I have spotted, and leans mafia. "ritoky" could just not be in the game or could be hiding in the shadows though too. | ||
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On August 20 2015 03:34 Lord Tolkien wrote: ![[image loading]](http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/animaljam/images/d/d2/Challenge-accepted.png/revision/latest?cb=20140928111255) Reasoning: the impossible dreams are the best ones to chase. Which reminds me. 1) Anyone who uses MEEEEEEETA this game is retarded. true story Then what do you think of geripts post about Chezinu right after yours? | ||
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On August 20 2015 03:57 WaveofShadow wrote: I have decent reason to believe geript is town. At the very least would not even remotely lynch today. You've done a lot of trying to assign people to characters, but this is only the 2nd read of yours I can recall. Do you have reads? What are they? | ||
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Which would make you think it is SHITTY SHITTY SHIIIITTTTTYYYY right? Does that say anything about his alignment to you? Or chez's alignment? | ||
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On August 20 2015 04:33 Fecalfeast wrote: ritokyhand can you fully explain the RNG method you used with none of the numbers as variables? (sum of individual post id digits)/21(# of players alive)*[1/(1/average alive thread winrate according to DB)] | ||
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On August 20 2015 04:45 Fecalfeast wrote: what was the average alive thread winrate and what was the post ID? i said none of the numbers as variables Each post is assigned a unique id on TL. What's the point of this? I am fine doing a giant math problem in the the thread, but I fail to see a point to it. | ||
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On August 20 2015 04:41 Lord Tolkien wrote: I am not inclined to believe a META read at this juncture of the game. I mostly find that individual read to be non-alignment indicative for either, and mostly a trend; outside of Chez opposing a standard BH RNG lynch, there's nothing that stands out without relying on copious amounts of meta of him, which I don't have. As for geript...he's continuing to post some of the strangest speculation ever. Like. He's trying to not only to speculatively figure out personality roles based on meta AND THEN lynch based off META from there. uuuuuuuuhhhhh Mostly inclined to NOLYNCH him D1 based solely on activity (would still zero in on Vayne for not responding to my incredibly airtight case, but I have accepted a challonge). But have mostly discounted everything he said. Who are some people you have said things that you have not discounted, and what were those things? (outside of VA obv) | ||
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On August 20 2015 04:51 Fecalfeast wrote: because you never figured out the average person's winrate because you don't care to find the post you used for me because you never randomized fidei because you just made up the meaning of the thread's stupidity coefficient I did, but if you want to say I am lying about running that equation and the answer coming out as ~4; then the burden of proof is on you. I still don't see a point to what you're saying. Why isn't fidei mafia? | ||
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You said geript has said a bunch of unmemorable shit, who has said memorable shit and what is it? Preferably alignment indicative memorable shit. | ||
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Speaking of breshke, that guy has been super unremarkable. | ||
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On August 20 2015 11:15 geript wrote: Really no one else is posting? This is some bs Hey, pick a subject and let's talk about it. | ||
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You are seemingly playing with either imposed or self-imposed post restrictions....so I will make this brief. 2 shots, 2 saves who they going on? | ||
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On August 20 2015 11:50 WaveofShadow wrote: No, if anything I should be posting walls of text. Starting one now. Is it going to explain why you think geript is town? Cuz while your unexplained reads between eachother are reliable a lot of the time, my most recent game geript defended you tooth and nail as town to the grave and was one of the only reasons I didn't push on you only to see you flip mafia....so I take them with many grains of salt now unless explained. | ||
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On August 20 2015 12:17 WaveofShadow wrote: Half the Sky is hardcore RPing and yet doesn't seem to be using it as an excuse to not play the game.....maybe. Would not lynch yet but her very last post I'm not a fan of. She could just be afk but I hate the 'why are you guys not voting' and disappearing. We'll see the followup. She also hasn't followed up on this post...which i find atrocious. On August 19 2015 23:59 Half the Sky wrote: Fidei, reads when you can. Preferably sober. (Also Fidei I will stick to heavy role mode because this is fun...but my reads should be clear enough even in character speak. I wont refuse to make an argument in my own words though if it does help others. And I know that if I need to step out of character if it's the difference in getting Mafia lynched, then of course. If it wasn't obvious already the person I got has a very different playmate than me, but I'll still give my reads.) | ||
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On August 20 2015 12:25 WaveofShadow wrote: What is atrocious about that post? Reads very HtS to me. It is a prompt without intent, which is something I have begun to notice that mafia do to their partners frequently. But that aside, I don't like the 2nd half. I mentioned it before but it is a justification of the manner in which she is playing that was very out of place. No comments were directed at her, she wasn't really even part of the conversation but felt the compulsion to still justify it. My kid is crying in its crib, so something something extra words potentially mafia something something guilty conscience justification psychological explanation. | ||
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On August 20 2015 12:37 Fecalfeast wrote: I think he has no idea how to claw his way out with such a bad start. I really like the tone of this response, but it doesn't exactly match play. I take it you think fid is a mafia lean at least, but haven't really pressured him? | ||
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On August 20 2015 13:18 geript wrote: idk if he's town. i kinda liked his big post. Like there's very little read people on right now so I'm just going with my best guesses. In the immortal words of Palmar, you kill people who are doing nothing, being useless and saying scummy shit. I don't think that qualifies for Fido at all. On August 20 2015 11:58 ritoky wrote: @FF: What do you make of fidei town reading breshke for questioning my method of RNG, but not mentioning it about you and subsequently scum reading you? You don't find this scummy? | ||
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the claim blue and fuck off is sketch, if you gotta fuck off you might as well just full claim the role. even vet, if they gonna waste rb + kp on you n1 then that means secure shots + invs + prots + etc. that being said, he didn't really do much scummy imo. he just said a bunch of incoherent stuff. defaulting to RNG or a lurker was probably a superior option. people seem to have liked fidei since his more recent posts and i don't really agree with that entirely, he said something that read to me like he was pissed that he got caught out cuz of simple RNG and implied there actually was a reason to catch him. maybe i will find it a bit later. | ||
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i am probably just gonna claim my role since it is mostly a nuisance to deal with. | ||
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On August 21 2015 11:26 Bill Murray wrote: we might need to get rid of you before LYLO if that happens ritoky no offense i mostly agree | ||
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On August 21 2015 11:36 Bill Murray wrote: i would do it as soon as i could if i had that negative aspect yeah i was thinking while there is still a large gap between town and anti-town it is probably better immediately whereas if i am alive and the gap is closer later it is prob better to wait. | ||
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On August 21 2015 11:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote: That is literally the worst thing I've ever heard. well it is a "fun" game. but yeah it kinda blows chunks. i considered claiming it immediately at the opening of the game, but i felt in the mood to try and RP. | ||
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On August 21 2015 12:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm not sure if I believe it or not. But really. If you're town, what's the point of even playing if your vote is worthless? lol @ u you can still find scum even if you can't lynch them w/o getting lucky. but yes, if i were a mod i would never put a role like this in a game. | ||
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On August 21 2015 17:00 Rels wrote: OK WOS' EOD was good actually stating ruxxar was likely town 'cause mafia shows up and defend themselves at deadline pushing for tubesock hope tubesock is shot actually so we have infos Why does WOS thinking ruxx was likely town make him more town? Why couldn't he just be mafia who knows ruxx's alignment getting credit? I mean you thought he was passably mafia, so shouldn't WOS reading the game very differently from how you were be concerning rather than very town? | ||
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the rng lords have spoken | ||
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On August 22 2015 07:21 geript wrote: Ritoky wtf does your role do that you 'have' to RNG lynch? i can't control my vote. the mod rolls my vote in rng and tells me who i have to vote for at the start of day phase. | ||
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Tonally, especially early he sounds like FF town: On August 19 2015 07:39 Fecalfeast wrote: damdred is scum ##vote damdred On August 19 2015 07:45 Fecalfeast wrote: actually judgejudy's game is shit and therefore he is scum ##vote judgejudy On August 19 2015 07:46 Fecalfeast wrote: YOU DON'T ACCUSE SOMEONE OF BEING MAFIA WITH RNG YOU GO HARD AT THEM YOU ARE SCUM But gameplay wise he has some pretty interesting detractors. He spent the majority of the day calling ruxx scum and from quite early on too: On August 19 2015 08:04 Fecalfeast wrote: Trfel isn't in this game. Anyway I think ruxxar might be mafia He even went so far as to laugh at the reasons that ruxx was being town read for: On August 21 2015 06:19 Fecalfeast wrote: wait this is why ruxxar is being called town? lol Yet he was very quick to move his vote off of ruxx onto other people including damdred (which makes sense given his filter), chez (who he really hadn't mentioned before), and ultimately WOS (conf town now) for the following: On August 21 2015 06:59 Fecalfeast wrote: OK chez isn';t mafia but idk the rux wagon is scummy yolo ##unvote ##vote waveofshadow The ruxx wagon is scummy? The only person on it he had overtly scum read was damdred who had pretty much claimed 3p. And he had laughed at the reason that people started town reading ruxx for earlier; so I don't exactly get why he was so quick to get off and so hesitant to get back on. The other 2 points I see that are detractors from his filter are his questioning/lack of interest. FF can do this sometimes (if i remember right) as town, but usually when he comes to the thread finally he actually asks pointed questions designed to find specific answers, not stuff like this: On August 21 2015 03:55 Fecalfeast wrote: Are you like robik-lite or rayn or something? On August 19 2015 14:33 Fecalfeast wrote: what does everyone think of the judge? He is driving in neutral with these kinda questions. The last bit, and this may be colored slightly by my reads is his read on fidei: On August 20 2015 05:00 Fecalfeast wrote: You got me. I'm not doing that much shit, and win rate is still an ambiguous variable. Looking at fidei's filter I have no reason to call him town. His big post is butt-metal He starts off saying he has no reason to call him town after his big reads post. In the big reads post, fidei had town read breshke for questioning my RNG but then had subsequently scum read FF even though FF had done literally the exact same thing. FF has read that post, yet he didn't pick up on it or care to comment. So I pointed it out to him asking him about it and he responds with: On August 20 2015 12:37 Fecalfeast wrote: I think he has no idea how to claw his way out with such a bad start. Which tonally sounds town, but literally his only mention of a read on fidei is the quote before this. This post indicates that now he has at least a scum leaning read on fidei but decides to do literally nothing with it or even delve into this seemingly contradictory read. Fidei then comes back posting some stuff including a now town-lean on FF and FF very cheaply responds with: On August 21 2015 03:42 Fecalfeast wrote: + Show Spoiler + By the way I was thinking about it and if Lord Tolkien is FecalFeast, I am fairly vocal about my preference toward scum I too am liking fidei more and more, still voting yamato until he does something I like. Which to me reads like he was looking for an excuse to TR fidei, but maybe I am ascribing a little too much motivation to it. Ultimately, he tonally sounds town; but I generally think his play is toward the scummier and not invested side. Play > tone thus he is a mafia lean and I think he should be both pressured and considered for a vote. | ||
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On August 22 2015 07:58 Fecalfeast wrote: omg really ritoky? Your role is worse than mine then. You're a non-foctor today since you rng'd town can you respond to some of what i found in your filter. and also give a list of at least scum reads? town reads are okay too. | ||
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On August 22 2015 07:56 Tictock wrote: @Rit At least your random vote makes your life easy. You vote who you have too, read through their filter to get a solid read on them, make that case, then can focus on the little one since your hands are tied past that. Any other attention/reads you give us I consider a bonus! i am sure at some point i will roll someone who i think is unabashedly town and it will get quite infuriating not being able to move my vote somewhere relevant. but for now it is only mildly annoying to deal with. | ||
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On August 22 2015 08:38 JudgeJudy wrote: ![[image loading]](http://aidanmoher.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/got-survivor.gif) yeah as far as I'm concerned, damdred isn't worth considering at any point until lylo. He could be fake claiming survivor, but nobody else has claimed survivor and he seems more trolly than scummy at this point. chez is likely in this game since he is such a strong personality and nobody else seems like they are chez. Plus chezinu was a survivor in Personality 2 so the claim seems legit for now. kel.....why are you alignment checking HtS of all people? ? huh? | ||
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On August 22 2015 08:43 Tictock wrote: Honestly atm, I'm tempted to believe all the restriction/role related stuff being claimed atm. The only one that stands out... Is ritoky's. All of them are rather silly and makes their votes NAI, however rit's is the only one that is a pure hindrance without anything else attached. The other roles seem to be more situational/conditional and have some leeway. My own role has a nifty little trick, but it's unlikely that I will get to use it since it's rather conditional. So right now I'm thinking Rit is either lying to us about something or is mafia. yes my role has an upside that i am not mentioning, i thought me sitting here constantly ignoring everyone badgering me for it since i claimed it would make people pick up what i am putting down. | ||
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On August 22 2015 08:44 JudgeJudy wrote: ![[image loading]](https://38.media.tumblr.com/af5892ef9d102db9043d363573649091/tumblr_n5xu7rtGZx1qz5q5lo1_500.gif) I think he claimed that he checks the alignment of the player he votes or something. Maybe I misread. i think he said he can give up either his vote entirely or his ability to vote on the lead wagon? and in return he gets a night check. | ||
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On August 22 2015 08:48 Damdred wrote: Geript is confirmed town btw by my extra present or you're a cult leader instead of a survivor. | ||
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On August 22 2015 08:54 Damdred wrote: Ritoky sounds salty and trying to throw suspicion chez + 3p + give "presents" + have to be sure of alignment or bad things happen.....just points toward cult in my mind. normally i wouldn't go there, but seeing my own role well...the world is the mod's oyster. + Show Spoiler + or maybe i am salty cuz you don't auto-use n1 abilities on me anymore | ||
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so can you intentionally use your presents as kp by sending for wrong alignment? or? | ||
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On August 23 2015 10:03 Fecalfeast wrote: anyone wanna make a list post or something we can talk about? i nominate you | ||
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On August 23 2015 11:08 Fecalfeast wrote: would kill: BM KelsierSC Ritoky Chezinu yamato77 would kill but probably shouldn't: Damdred fidei86 town reads: fuck it not a fan of your list, but i also don't think you're mafia. kels has a thing that fucks with his vote as well and you think he is lynchable? i think all 3 of us are town and geript is town since he was supposedly double green checked and had kp blocked on him. town: ritoky geript fecalfeast kelsier LT - assuming some type of vigi for now, come back to it later 3p: damdred potential mafia: fidei - fucked off real hard after defending himself. 0 investment this phase. makes case on HTS town, HTS proceeds to die. still think d1 case is fine and he has done very little to try and find scum or change my opinion. rayn - subs in and does balls. not town rayn, maybe cuz sub and not initially in the game but he is giving 0 shits so pressure him until he does or lynch him. rels - i coached him as town, he is clearly trying to impersonate someone but no idea who it is. he is playing vastly different than he did when i coached him. his reads are static, they lack depth, they are mainstream, and he has done 0 vote analysis. breshke - ain't done shit, fidei town read him for some utter bullshit so mafia by association. Everyone else I don't even have a strong inclination either way on. | ||
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On August 23 2015 13:24 Fecalfeast wrote: I honestly 100% forgot rayn was in this game, could lynch. If fidei spewed breshke town that would imply breshke is town if fidei is mafia, no? could lynch rels but I don't havve a very strong opinion myself on him. why do you think kels and i aren't town even though our roles seem to be similar to yours? | ||
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On August 23 2015 13:38 Fecalfeast wrote: over saturation of the same role archetype, I imagine one of you two is scum eh maybe i am being naive and 1 of you 2 is mafia as for the breshke spewed town thing, i don't know about that. the whole making an excuse to town read him and then scum reading you who did the same thing just read as someone town reading a partner for a cheap reason. can't really explain it much better than i have previously, that's just the feels i get. | ||
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On August 24 2015 04:09 Bill Murray wrote: oh btw im palmar rip you....read the rules. | ||
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On August 24 2015 04:11 yamato77 wrote: lol dafk? | ||
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town: ritoky basically conf town: geript BM breshke town cuz also voting stuff: ksc ff | ||
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On August 24 2015 04:15 yamato77 wrote: This is supposed to be the "New Personality" an attempt to get away from the series' dark history it has failed. this is supposed to be the part where you start playing an attempt to avoid getting lynched it has failed. | ||
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On August 24 2015 04:18 Fecalfeast wrote: idk if I agree with ritoky on that list, and I'm not sure BM matters anymore okay, so you think 1 of me or KSC is mafia, who else do you disagree with? | ||
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On August 24 2015 05:07 Fidei86 wrote: Voting Rels. Explanation to follow. Writing it up now. lynch this guy for the love of god.... | ||
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fidei fucked off for 50 hours, and yamato just sat there and mocked us and refused to play. fuck that shit. | ||
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On August 24 2015 05:44 Rels wrote: why ? He could easily hammer me. You think he's preparing next day if I'm mislynched ? non-committal read on you, not reading in regards to ksc, and a bunch of mainstream reads. also he is hesitant on yamato for idk wtf raisin. that comes after being afk for a long period of time. he isn't thinking very critically about the game. | ||
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On August 24 2015 05:52 Tictock wrote: How about we all switch to rayn? Rels is being pushed too easily imo, plus he's doing stuff. Rayn is suddenly sheeping geript who he said was mafia last night and hasn't given anything solid for his scumread on rels. Fidei is also a good target imo both for dropping off the whole day, coming back 2 hours before EoD to write a case on the leading wagon, and also the meh town thing on HtS before she got NK'd. Also the stuff he was being scummed for D1. might take you off the would lynch list and back to a null list | ||
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On August 24 2015 05:56 Rels wrote: OK that is super true rayn scumread geript when he came into the thread by just reading 30 posts After the night he still scumread him And now he's sheeping him. Makes no sense. except the part where y'know...damdred as 3p claimed a save on him/town conf....and kels claimed a green check on him. that could make it make sense....are you done? | ||
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On August 24 2015 05:57 Fidei86 wrote: Thought about it, and I'm writing a big long post about why I'm switching to ritoky, and why you all should too. yeah, no. | ||
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On August 24 2015 06:07 Fecalfeast wrote: Starting to have bad feelings about LT for nuking chez? | ||
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On August 24 2015 06:08 Fidei86 wrote: Day cop returns standard cop checks, but can check during the day? yes | ||
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On August 24 2015 06:08 Fecalfeast wrote: never heard of a day cop go to this link, click investigative you'll see it. On August 10 2015 13:21 ritoky wrote: well in case you ever need more role ideas: http://mikeburnfire.deviantart.com/art/Mafia-Roles-72597749 | ||
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On August 24 2015 06:09 Fidei86 wrote: ... Wow. Like, I'm sorry, I've read the thread, and I'm trying to jump about between the thread and reading people's filters. Clearly I have an issue with skim reading, as I didn't really clock that post the first time around. But I don't see how it undermines my town read on him? it underlines that you haven't read the thread and it tends to make me not take any of what you said very seriously. for example you talk a lot about my case on FF in the FF read section, but pretty close after my case on FF, both him and KSC claimed roles that fuck with their votes and since then i have been town reading them both, while FF believes one of the 3 of us is mafia due to over-saturation. you don't mention the day cop and the green check on breshke and instead give him some convoluted read. so it is clear to me you have not grasped the main parts of what very little has happened today. | ||
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On August 24 2015 06:14 Fidei86 wrote: Yes, I am sceptical of your role claim, but that's also not the reason I am scum reading you. Lots of people have made the case I just did already (your role is unlikely AND it doesn't mandate you to push your RNG read), but I've thought about it and, combined with my tone read on you, I'm pretty sure it makes you mafia. i really don't care about your scum read tbh. i am town, and very clear town. if you're town you need to go find scum and ooze town cuz you're not doing it. you afk'd for 50 hours, went to vote on the lead wagon, promised a case, changed your mind, gave a case on a town that doesn't say anything, then gave some town reads with incorrect and incomplete information, all while demonstrating you didn't read over the 50 hours you were gone. can you see why no1 really sees you as town? | ||
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On August 23 2015 13:05 ritoky wrote: not a fan of your list, but i also don't think you're mafia. kels has a thing that fucks with his vote as well and you think he is lynchable? i think all 3 of us are town and geript is town since he was supposedly double green checked and had kp blocked on him. town: ritoky geript fecalfeast kelsier LT - assuming some type of vigi for now, come back to it later 3p: damdred potential mafia: fidei - fucked off real hard after defending himself. 0 investment this phase. makes case on HTS town, HTS proceeds to die. still think d1 case is fine and he has done very little to try and find scum or change my opinion. rayn - subs in and does balls. not town rayn, maybe cuz sub and not initially in the game but he is giving 0 shits so pressure him until he does or lynch him. rels - i coached him as town, he is clearly trying to impersonate someone but no idea who it is. he is playing vastly different than he did when i coached him. his reads are static, they lack depth, they are mainstream, and he has done 0 vote analysis. breshke - ain't done shit, fidei town read him for some utter bullshit so mafia by association. Everyone else I don't even have a strong inclination either way on. well, probably need to reconsider some shit since this post is very likely 1 for 4. i have probably been wrong quite a bit thus far. | ||
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why? even if rayn was mafia that accusation was dumb. he literally was like "omg rayn flipped his read on a green checked person". that isn't a good accusation. | ||
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On August 24 2015 07:09 Onegu wrote: Day 2 Votecount Fecalfeast (2): ritoky, Bill Murray Rels (5): Chezinu, geript, raynpelikoneet, Lord Tolkien, Tubesock Yamato77 (3): ObiWanShinobi, yamato77, Rels Chezinu (1): Breshke The Shining (1): KelsierSC raynpelikoneet (5): Damdred, Tictock, Fidei86, The Shining, JudgeJudy geript (1): Fecalfeast With Rayn getting 5 first. Rels was on rayn giving him 6 then moving his vote to yamato. Rayn is lynched standby for day post. On August 21 2015 07:08 rsoultin wrote: FINAL Day 1 Votecount ruXxar (7): Breshke, ObiWanShinobi, Lord Tolkien, Damdred, Half the Sky, Chezinu, Rels Chezinu (5): geript, JudgeJudy, Tubesock, Fidei86, yamato77 Tubesock (2): The Shining, WaveofShadow Fidei86 (2): ritoky, Tictock ObiWanShinobi (1): ruXxar WaveofShadow (1): Fecalfeast Half the Sky (1): KelsierSC Not Voting (2): VayneAuthority, Beneather Ruxxar has been lynched with 7 votes. gotta start rethinking the game, starting from this. | ||
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On August 24 2015 07:09 Onegu wrote: Day 2 Votecount Fecalfeast (2): ritoky, Bill Murray Rels (5): Chezinu, geript, raynpelikoneet, Lord Tolkien, Tubesock Yamato77 (3): ObiWanShinobi, yamato77, Rels Chezinu (1): Breshke The Shining (1): KelsierSC raynpelikoneet (5): Damdred, Tictock, Fidei86, The Shining, JudgeJudy geript (1): Fecalfeast With Rayn getting 5 first. Rels was on rayn giving him 6 then moving his vote to yamato. Rayn is lynched standby for day post. On August 21 2015 07:08 rsoultin wrote: FINAL Day 1 Votecount ruXxar (7): Breshke, ObiWanShinobi, Lord Tolkien, Damdred, Half the Sky, Chezinu, Rels Chezinu (5): geript, JudgeJudy, Tubesock, Fidei86, yamato77 Tubesock (2): The Shining, WaveofShadow Fidei86 (2): ritoky, Tictock ObiWanShinobi (1): ruXxar WaveofShadow (1): Fecalfeast Half the Sky (1): KelsierSC Not Voting (2): VayneAuthority, Beneather Ruxxar has been lynched with 7 votes. so the list of possible mafia is: obi LT chez rels tubesock yamato ff kels i was assuming ff and kels (and will continue to for now) are both town cuz of the stuff that messes with their vote. so that list becomes: obi LT chez rels tubesock yamato of which i think obi is the most town. | ||
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On August 24 2015 10:07 Breshke wrote: What do you think about these posts rit i think they are both on the list of people i am shooting tonight | ||
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On August 24 2015 10:11 Fidei86 wrote: I see no world in which the Rayn wagon isn't pure, unless maybe Rels is Mafia as well? The whole thing was organised with about five minutes to go. Even one of them not switching means that Mafia can consolidate onto Rels and take the kill. But even that doesn't really make sense, because Yamato was a much easier target than Rayn, so a Mafia Rela just moves people in that direction. Unless Yamato is also Mafia, but I don't see a world where that is possible. So, yeah. I don't see a world where two of us don't die tonight. If we have any protective roles, I think it should be obvious where to aim them. you missed a post there | ||
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On August 24 2015 10:15 Fidei86 wrote: Can you please remind me why Geript, BM and Bres are confirmed town? BM's green check on Bres could be fake? And Geript? BM claimed day cop with a green check on Breshke, he also claimed his name (which is a play mafia likely wouldn't make because it had a high potential of resulting in modkill) he also did it w/ no real pressure or reasoning so hard to see it being a lie. geript had kp blocked on him by damdred last night (according to damdred who is 3p) and also because the kp block worked it confirms him as town or something. kelsiersc also claimed that him complying with the thing that messed with his vote gave him a cop check and he greened geript. i figure both can't be lying. | ||
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On August 24 2015 10:24 Tictock wrote: I think we can assume Rels is town since Rayn was advocating his lynch. His switch EoD to Yam doesn't really mean much imo and he was helping push people onto rayn when he coulda easily been pushing yam more. I have a hard time understanding why Obi is the most town out of your list here rit Everything I've seen from obi is consistent with his scum game. rels would be the most town except for the unvote which opened the door for tube + 1 to change votes and potentially not lynch marv. so i have some hesitations about him. obi is the most town because he talks the most and was posting and advancing the game at times where it didn't feel necessary if he was mafia. that said i haven't read his entire filter and i plan to before the night is over because he is on the list of people who might get shot. | ||
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On August 24 2015 10:28 Fidei86 wrote: A great woman (rsoult) once told me not to get too much into the NK WIFOM. Hts and WoS' reads are just as valuable to you if they're dead. Maybe more so, because then you could ride the cred home. I'm not saying you're Mafia, just that it's nowhere near as strong evidence as the last minute shenanigans we just pulled off onto Mafia. i mean....do you think BM is not a day cop? cuz i think so even to the extent where i would call him nearly mod confirmed. which makes breshke a near mod confirmed green check....that's pretty fucking convincing. | ||
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On August 24 2015 10:28 Breshke wrote: Look so Rels/LT are probably not mafias together right. Also yamato anti nuked LT's nuke on chez. It is possible that this was a fake nuke or yamato doesn't give a fuck so isnt playing logically but in a world where neither of these are true. Yamato and LT are likely not mafia together If yamato or chez is mafia the other is likely not mafia Chez and LT are likely not mafia together So these are the two groups of people that can be mafia together Chez rels tube yama obi LT, tube, obi So in the case that LT is mafia i feel like these is probably a mafia somewhere in the town circle thingy because i dont really think obi is mafia i would look into 1 of kels or FF if the list i provided doesn't pan out. but making too many unflipped associative reads isn't exactly great. | ||
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On August 24 2015 10:33 Fidei86 wrote: I choose not to take account of what the mods do. We aren't supposed to be influenced by what they do or don't do, and trying to guess whether what they did was because of someone's alignment is a fools errand. That is only part of it. Why would a mafia claim his name when explicitly it is against the rules, especially when under 0 pressure? | ||
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On August 24 2015 10:37 Fidei86 wrote: please explain to me what the townie motivation is for this post. i am telling you that you need to reorient your mafia list with me out of it because i fulfilled my upgrade by rng voting 2 days in a row | ||
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On August 24 2015 10:39 Fidei86 wrote: Why would town? It was a mistake. Reading too much into a name claim, in a game where name claims are not allowed for ALL ALIGNMENTS is dumb. BM has confirmed to everyone that he didn't read the rules for the game before joining. Nothing else. I mean, it is very simple logic and mechanics to me. I see you are not understanding it, so w/e. Just know that both BM and breshke are damn near conf town. | ||
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On August 24 2015 10:43 Fidei86 wrote: no you aren't, you're soft scumming me and that's dumb. If you think I'm town and have bad reads, you tell me I have bad reads. But what you're doing is trying to get people to doubt me, without actually saying you think I'm Mafia. Sure, you didn't have a vote at eod, but you did nothing to try and get the votes off Rels or Yamato. You're a really good town player, and the best move that town has pulled off happened in spite of you, not because of you. Honestly, that says everything for me. But if you think I'm wrong, then you need to show me with some like real analysis. Everything you've put out post lynch is full of holes. Where did I try and get votes off of rels or yamato? I missed the last 30 mins of the day anywayz. Here is me literally trying to get both of them lynched: On August 24 2015 05:15 ritoky wrote: i don't mind a rels lynch, its w/e. his recent posts have changed away from the impersonation he was trying to do before. dunno if that was cuz every1 was calling him scum or w/e. but at least he types things. fidei fucked off for 50 hours, and yamato just sat there and mocked us and refused to play. fuck that shit. I mean I would say the 3 people I most wanted lynched eod were you, yamato, and rels...sooooooo dunno. you did this earlier where you said damdred scum read me when damdred didn't say shit about me. i think you're seriously being clouded by omgus and not reading things properly. re-orient your town list so that i am in it. otherwise i am going to try to refrain from interacting with you much because it is triggering me bad and i feel that interactions with you just result in a mass of unproductive material. | ||
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On August 24 2015 05:40 Tictock wrote: Hi I'm around, and kinda like the way things are moving atm. Going a bit back and forth on Rels, he's made a few posts like he's trying to see if he can push scum on anyone else to save himself but also a few posts with decent thoughts. Like earlier he listed me as part of his town circle but then recently says HtS is good at reading me scum so mighta been onto something. Similar soft push onto geript. + Show Spoiler + On August 20 2015 16:54 Rels wrote: hello don't have time to play so will sheep my town reads ritoky, geript, HTS, TT, JJ, OWS On August 24 2015 01:12 Rels wrote: Read Hts filter. Her townread was ritoky, breshke, fidei and TT. TT read is super important to me. Especially, she called TT scum early on as obs in HG I think; in a game when TT was a super good scum and won, so she definitely has a good read of him. If I got the game name right, it was TT first game as scum. Like wos, scumread ksc tube and yamato, so good chance at least two maybe three mafia in here. Wary of damdred and chezinu. Feels a bit more like he's trying to find an alternate wagon to push than trying to identify scum atm. Fidei not being around all day till 2 hours before EoD is no bueno, but I'll at least wait to see what he's got to pass judgment. KSC is another possible lynch for me today mostly just because of this which he never responded too. I'm kinda ok letting him live though just because he's probably gunna get NK'd if he's telling the truth. Chez is also an ok lynch since he has done nothing of value, tried to give/get reads, and the only thing of real note is his EoD1 stuff where he was basically broadcasting his role. Might mean more than I know idk anything about the person he rolled. Those are the people I think should be lynched today. Yamato could also be in this list but is pure policy, but hey he doesn't care about this game so I don't really care what happens to him. On August 24 2015 05:42 ritoky wrote: I would also add ticktock now to the lynchables list. On August 24 2015 05:52 Tictock wrote: How about we all switch to rayn? Rels is being pushed too easily imo, plus he's doing stuff. Rayn is suddenly sheeping geript who he said was mafia last night and hasn't given anything solid for his scumread on rels. Fidei is also a good target imo both for dropping off the whole day, coming back 2 hours before EoD to write a case on the leading wagon, and also the meh town thing on HtS before she got NK'd. Also the stuff he was being scummed for D1. On August 24 2015 05:54 ritoky wrote: might take you off the would lynch list and back to a null list On August 24 2015 05:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: That post is fucking terrible. Are you all high? | ||
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When killed or lynched will give 3 random nukes out, Nukes can be Real, Fake, or Anti People should claim if they received these. | ||
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On August 25 2015 07:15 KelsierSC wrote: i checked me i'm town did you actually check anyone or was it a 1 time upgrade? | ||
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He was the alternative wagon, he unvotes and then tubesock (conf mafia) flips causing a tie vote. If rels is mafia with tube/rayn then tube has literal 0 motivation to make the swap. It is completely sub-optimal since he knows with 100% certainty that a mafia is dying so he should just be on the winning side for the credit. That play makes no sense in a mafia vs mafia wagon. Thus it had to be mafia vs town, thus rels is town. I think this makes sense, can someone confirm? | ||
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On August 25 2015 07:36 KelsierSC wrote: i'm too pretty to kill my check was useless today so carry at least say who it was and why you checked. | ||
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naw that was an upgrade for rnging my votes thus far. | ||
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On August 25 2015 08:25 Chezinu wrote: Let me get this straight. Mafia are claiming that chez is mafia because he sheeped the cool kid Ticktock Day 2 and afk'ed. Then claims chez is mafia because he waited to shoot down a nuke that is targeted at him rather than shooting down a nuke targeted at tubesock, whom chez wanted to lynch day 1. Interesting.. I said you're mafia because: 1) There's a large list of town some of which are confirmed, and you're not in it 2) you've given 0 shits and not tried 3) you have some tendencies you had from titanic where you made the chitler video (which is the last time i remember seeing you as mafia) such as complaining about the host. 4) I have no reason to call you town | ||
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On August 25 2015 08:05 Fidei86 wrote: @ritoky What is your role? It has been long enough now, you talked up having an extra power other than being forced to vote for someone, and I really want to know what it is. Wat? Do you want me to get shot at night? | ||
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On August 25 2015 08:32 Fidei86 wrote: Why on earth would scum ever shoot you. There are at least five or six people who are harder to mislynch than you right now. Are you town? | ||
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Yes. Why are you blue hunting so hard if you're town? | ||
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On August 25 2015 08:54 Fidei86 wrote: ? Geript come on buddy. You think that at eod2 I come back and, with a very serious lynch wagon building up on me, start agitating for people to switch onto someone other than confirmed not Mafia Yamato (who lots of people were happy to lynch) or almost certainly not Mafia Rels, and instead move on to my Mafia buddy rayn? I wasn't the first to scum read him, but I was totally instrumental in getting that lynch done. I'm town 100%, unless Rels also flips Mafia (which would mean 3 out of the 4 wagons were mafia), or you think I bussed when there was literally no point in doing it whatsoever, when town was totally disorganised and ambling towards a Yamato lynch. Did you even read what he said? He said 1 of LT, OWS, rels, JJ, TT, and you is likely mafia......how is your response at all relevant to what he said? No. I need to stop. I promised myself I would stop during the night phase. | ||
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On August 25 2015 08:58 Fidei86 wrote: Literally the post before that he said that he wanted to know whether I was town. I was explaining why I am town. That's called, you know, playing the game? He made a list of 5 or so people and said "1 of these is probably mafia". To me that begs the question, which do you think is mafia? Not the "I absolutely not mafia cuz x, y, and z." over-explanation you gave. Of course you're not being considered for lynch today. You led shennanies onto mafia. Of course you're highly unlikely mafia unless some tinfoil world where rels is also mafia. This is more coaching advice than anything. You gotta calm down and read the game dood. | ||
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On August 25 2015 08:46 geript wrote: Yamato77 (3): ObiWanShinobi, There's like no way in hell that this list doesn't have at least 1 mafia on it. So that means: OWS, Rels, JJ, LT, TT, Fido. 20% isn't a bad start. Rels is maybe not mafia for the vote. Wanna order them from most likely to least likely mafia? | ||
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On August 25 2015 09:16 Fidei86 wrote: @ritoky why did you shoot Yamato? On August 24 2015 10:15 ritoky wrote: i guess i doubt that LT and rels could be together based on what breshke just quoted. so revised list: chez 1 of rels & LT tubesock yamato obi This was my list during last night of people I was considering shooting. I was then given a nuke about halfway through the night. Of the people on this list Chez and Yamato posted and cared the least so they would be the hardest to get a read on. So I shot one and nuked the other. | ||
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On August 25 2015 09:18 geript wrote: There's a redcheck on LT? When did I miss that? Kels claimed he red checked LT a couple pages back. He said his check was useless at first until ff and I pressed him. His previous check was that you were green. | ||
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On August 25 2015 18:13 Chezinu wrote: I checked someone last night. Evul wincon is evul. You're lying, I roleblocked you last night. To be clear to everyone, I am the roleblocker. I RNG'd my votes to obtain an upgrade of a 1-shot vigi. I roleblocked chezinu last night and shot yamato. Since my shot went through there is no way I was impeded last night in any way. Chez did not check anyone last night. This is manufactured. | ||
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On August 26 2015 04:19 Rels wrote: Oh OK, so you rng d your vote specifically to obtain the upgrade Think I already said this a while ago, but yes. | ||
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On August 26 2015 04:41 geript wrote: Yes. My 'upgrade' was a QT with a dead person. But I'm not sure how much I trust it. Because it's apparently HtS. And she apparently watched LT N1 get visited by KSC. ? HTS didn't do shit night 1, I RB'd her night 1. | ||
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On August 26 2015 04:55 geript wrote: Ok. So we know they're lying. That's fine. It's pretty expected honestly. But we're essentially being told by one non-town party who the other non-town party is. It's hard to not see this as a gift. Lol, nope. RB: N1 Hts N2 Chez Shot: N2 Yamato Nuked: N2 Chez | ||
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On August 26 2015 04:41 geript wrote: Yes. My 'upgrade' was a QT with a dead person. But I'm not sure how much I trust it. Because it's apparently HtS. And she apparently watched LT N1 get visited by KSC. Why are you not sure? Are you not given the name? | ||
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On August 26 2015 05:01 Damdred wrote: Rit why did you rb Hts n1? She was so towny I felt... I have a historically awful read on her, everyone else called her town. Mafia usually sends the person who is embedded the best in town or the afk to do kills. Played aggressively with the RB on the chance she was hidden mafia. | ||
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On August 26 2015 04:41 geript wrote: Yes. My 'upgrade' was a QT with a dead person. But I'm not sure how much I trust it. Because it's apparently HtS. And she apparently watched LT N1 get visited by KSC. On August 26 2015 04:52 ritoky wrote: ? HTS didn't do shit night 1, I RB'd her night 1. That check is just plain made up dude. | ||
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i got a role in hearthstone where i was uther and i got auto-stuffed in a QT with HF and we were masoned together. basically we pushed to lynch mafia together d1 and some other shit. i got dumb called him conf town by mod or w/e and turned out he was mafia in disguise who had initiated the mason qt. | ||
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On August 26 2015 06:25 Damdred wrote: Why you got to cock block like that ritoky? Who knows what kel would of said cuz the premise is bullshit and i know it? ksc very well could be mafia, but it isn't cuz of a made up check by someone geript doesn't even know who it is. | ||
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On August 26 2015 07:29 geript wrote: I'm guessing SK but I wouldn't rule out either. I only ask because while I liked what you wrote, I still think chez and LT are more favorable in terms of flipping scum. Especially chez since he claimed a check last night, I roleblocked him, and my shot went through so I know with 100% certainty I wasn't RB'd or JK'd. TINFOIL ALERT: I have to say that there is potentially a world where I am a naive roleblocker (aka i think i do shit but i really don't). Since someone is claiming to be HTS to geript and having got off a night action on the night I rb'd her and chez is claiming to have got off a night action the night I rb'd him. But I guess we will cross that bridge after a chez flip if we have to. | ||
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On August 26 2015 07:56 Lord Tolkien wrote: Alright, I'm up. Are you guys lynching me yet? I'll answer any questions you guys have. You're currently in the lead of votes. Have you read the thread? Who is mafia? Why are they mafia? | ||
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On August 26 2015 09:12 Chezinu wrote: ritoky, I was not roleblocked last night. I did receive my check. Was your only action last night to check someone? | ||
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On August 26 2015 09:16 geript wrote: The problem is FF is claiming 2 checks last night. One "no result" on you and a green check on me. Which makes it pretty hard for him to be roleblocked. wha? where did this happen? | ||
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So either: a) you're lying or b) i am naive i mean there's 0 world where i was roleblocked last night and it took priority over my RB since i shot yamato....occam's razor says you're lying. | ||
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On August 24 2015 10:50 Fidei86 wrote: I was PMed after the deadline to say that I had been recruited into the "House of Brown". And I received a welcome message from Damdred. I didn't post this straight away because I wanted to check my alignment hadn't changed, and it hasn't. So, yeah. Not entirely sure what it means, but I figured it might mean something to someone in town. | ||
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On August 26 2015 09:36 Lord Tolkien wrote: Oh right, I should probably mention that I checked Damdred N2 and he turned up 3P because upgrade. Why would you check damdred N2 after he claimed 3p in the thread on N1/D2 area and softed it all day 1? Like wut? | ||
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On August 26 2015 09:37 geript wrote: No. I was extra sad about it too. So he apparently gave you a present that instantly protected you and confirmed you town, but you got no message of having received it or it being expended or a welcome message, but fidei got a welcome message????? confused right now??? | ||
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On August 26 2015 09:42 Chezinu wrote: So you are the one that gave me the anti-nuke? no i was the one who nuked you. you shot down my nuke. | ||
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On August 26 2015 09:50 Chezinu wrote: It depends what side I pick. I don't really care about my win con. In fact, I don't even remember what it is. Whoever saves me, be it town, mafia, or brown. I will support. i don't really know how far i can pry into this without venturing into modkill territory but if it really says mafia, town, or brown. that confirms a 3p win con....but it is so hard for me to believe chez cuz he claims to have inv'd and i rb'd him.....fml right now | ||
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On August 26 2015 10:08 Chezinu wrote: I already claimed mafia. BECAUSE THIS IS THE WORSE GAME I HAVE EVER PLAYED!!!! ONEGU IS THE WROSE HOST EVER!!!! .. | ||
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just gonna say geript is my top town since he seems legitimately as confused and attempting to solve the game as i am. and lynch between LT, chez, and damdred as of now. damdred added cuz culty shit. | ||
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On August 26 2015 10:22 Lord Tolkien wrote: Why chezinu is not dead I'll never know. Oh right. Because jester decided to shoot down the FUCKING nuke I aimed at him. and then someone gave him an anti-nuke to shoot down mine too. | ||
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On August 28 2015 07:22 Damdred wrote: Why? Ksc is sorta a rough spot now... 3 mafia are dead, i think we have a very high likelihood of lynching mafia again today, and i have suspicion you're a cult leader which means your win con is the most threatening if left unchecked atm. | ||
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On August 28 2015 07:29 Damdred wrote: Ksc ist he last mafia or there's two and it could be geript I thought your present confirmed him as town? | ||
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On August 28 2015 07:38 Damdred wrote: I troll protected geript. And that was the first thing I told him in our qt I was fishing for reactions and I got very little but he still had like 2-3 green checks on him as well. And he knows also what my power did when I put someone in my house and yet he still fear pushes people to lynch me, and besides me I'm the first person to survive a mason with him. So you saving him didn't confirm his as town? | ||
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On August 28 2015 07:44 Damdred wrote: Negative that's why I wanted obi to tell me if he was nuking me so I could tell that info before I died. He does have green checks. Also I got no notice of being rb So then why did you call geript confirmed town and say that your presents confirm alignment and can be used to kp someone if you give it to the wrong alignment? | ||
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On August 28 2015 07:53 JudgeJudy wrote: ![[image loading]](https://31.media.tumblr.com/8791894a27d2930c8af9a22a541475e8/tumblr_mnc1k2n14z1r9hc9jo1_500.gif) On that topic, why are you roleblocking a player with a claimed check ritoky? Does the suspicion of a cult outweigh being able to confirm another player as town? he is 3p with a win con that he may be lying about, don't know how much value his check has anyway; so yes the threat of a cult growing to potentially 4 players does outweigh a check that i will mostly put no faith in. | ||
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On August 28 2015 08:00 ritoky wrote: So then why did you call geript confirmed town and say that your presents confirm alignment and can be used to kp someone if you give it to the wrong alignment? | ||
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On August 28 2015 08:29 geript wrote: So looking back. Damdred wins if Damdred is dead and fido alive. Idk. Meh. The fuck? | ||
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On August 28 2015 08:32 KelsierSC wrote: soap here's the thing, i don't actually have a way of checking people i'm a town vigi, i shot geript n1 for the lolz, he didnt die so i assumed he was a vet and called him town then i took a punt on LT being mafia next night but for my town defence, i got people to vote rayn and LT so im town i just havent really played properly unlimited or limited number of shots? | ||
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On August 28 2015 08:33 geript wrote: My brain is esplode this | ||
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On August 28 2015 08:35 KelsierSC wrote: i was one shot and i didnt get my upgrade so why did you fake a bunch of checks? | ||
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n1: rb hts n2: rb chez nuke chez shoot yamato n3: rb damdred | ||
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On August 28 2015 08:41 Damdred wrote: Geript should come completely clean and tell people wos protected him n1 and was reasoned with him then died and yamato was masoned with geript and then died I believe. Anyway I figured geript was getting shot n1 and wave protected him. The reaction in the thread was negligible when I claimed it which led me to believe that mafia did shoot him...or couldn't be sure someone else did. So I believe kel is quite possibly town vig I shot yamato. Answer my question. | ||
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On August 28 2015 08:43 Damdred wrote: What question am,I not answering obtuse Ritoky. Because I know you aren't this bad On August 28 2015 08:00 ritoky wrote: So then why did you call geript confirmed town and say that your presents confirm alignment and can be used to kp someone if you give it to the wrong alignment? [/QUOTE] | ||
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On August 28 2015 08:43 Damdred wrote: What question am,I not answering obtuse Ritoky. Because I know you aren't this bad also, i am apparently a moron, so there's that ;P | ||
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On August 28 2015 08:38 KelsierSC wrote: also im going to claim credit for the rayn switch at the end. hate me if you wish im also sorry to geript for shooting him and many other things , bad words etc. lets move on except for the part where you bitched out and almost got the lynch to fall on some1 else after mafia tubesock swooped in. even though i was rng voting so who am i to criticize. | ||
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On August 28 2015 08:45 Damdred wrote: What don't you get about rping like chez when he does shit like that all,the time? Boxing,gloves that don't exist troll,checking people. All that jazz, that's crazy you're openly 3p with a convoluted win condition who has spewed random crap for no real purpose other than to cause confusion. how do you not see the problem here? | ||
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On August 28 2015 08:49 KelsierSC wrote: hmm what was that? i had to get my "check" so you're taking credit for it, but weren't confident enough in it to risk a "check" for it? | ||
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On August 28 2015 08:52 KelsierSC wrote: i thought rayn was getting lynched when i switched ff i guess it was within 2 mins of deadline so i can see that. i might be coming around on you a bit | ||
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On August 28 2015 08:53 Damdred wrote: Ritoky you are a confirmed rng who did nothing d1 or d2 but try to,rng people and not,move the games forward in a convoluted way to get an upgrade nobody knew about. You don't see a problem with this not really because i have been the most obvious town in the game since i stopped rnging. | ||
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the list is now down to: OWS KSC rels chez i remember logicking out why it couldn't have been a mafia vs mafia wagon earlier so rels is probably off the list. if ksc really is town here....then the mafia is literally chez + OWS or else there was 1 in the rayn wagon.... | ||
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On August 29 2015 04:42 geript wrote: Breshke had nuked mafia correct? Plus he was universally townread. Like that's odd but not left field. Plus, so far we've seen LT, VA/RAYN aka mia, and tube aka mia. It's not impossible they either didn't believe, didn't trust or didn't care. Plus in my experience LT has made odd NKs before in irl mafia. wasn't breshke also green checked by confirmed cop? | ||
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On August 29 2015 05:17 JudgeJudy wrote: ![[image loading]](http://media.giphy.com/media/tsfFZly9nNiJa/giphy.gif) I'd imagine it's fake considering chezinu posted the nuke message for the mod. :p You still voting chez if the nuke is fake? Glad someone got it :D Lol, didn't even notice it was chez's message. Yup, still voting him. He survived 4 nukes, I know he is confirmed lying about a check he got, he was outside of the mafia lynch day 2, and I am selfish and wanna be confirmed town. | ||
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On August 29 2015 05:26 geript wrote: The case is bad and you should feel bad for it. do you know all of the people who have "green checked" you this game? and if any of them still are true? i forgot, but i remember there being a lot. damdred said something he did to you made you conf town, but has since rescinded ksc claimed a green on you? since rescinded. | ||
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but i need to check if i eliminated him from poe after the vote d2 simply on the grounds of green checks that are now rescinded. if so, then i guess i have to consider him in the event something like chez + ksc or chez + ows doesn't kill the mafia/end the game. | ||
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On August 29 2015 05:47 Rels wrote: Seriously geript: last try. If your next post is not you admitting chez is mafia (or could be if prefer) then you're confirmed mafia too. no.....just no. like i think chez is slam dunk mafia, but this post is absurd. | ||
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On August 29 2015 05:54 Rels wrote: But you're right, its maybe too late. He already refused to give a chez read and try deflecting his lynch. He s probably mafia no you're just raging cuz he insulted you and dropping ultimatums and universals that make no sense out of tired fury. geript insults everyone when he feels he has been tremendously town and they call him mafia so it's w/e. | ||
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On August 29 2015 06:40 KelsierSC wrote: so scum motivated i got rayn and LT lynched while voting on neither. | ||
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On August 29 2015 06:40 Damdred wrote: I'm tired of geript trying to get me lynched and throwing me down when he has no proof that I'm anti town and has spread non factual information when I have been 100% honest with him. And then he's two faced from here to,the at we shared. I'm tenpted you're admitted 3p with a win condition that is convoluted at best and anti-town at worst, and you have a proven track record of just straight lying in the thread so far this game. i can understand his skepticism toward you. his constantly being averse to killing chez is weird tho. | ||
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On August 29 2015 07:02 KelsierSC wrote: half the people lynching me are stupid, the other half are cult/scum lynching me based on the player list it's hard for me to determine which is which 2 people is too hard to determine? wat? | ||
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On August 29 2015 06:55 Damdred wrote: Nothing is consulted about my win condition at all. I started as a pure survuvor, I met my upgrade condition and invited one person to the house of Brown. As long as they don't die I still win even if I die. Nothing consulted at all. However the only lying I did was claim wave protection on geript. Otherwise been pretty honest. Why were you so flustered when I RB'd you last night? | ||
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On August 29 2015 07:39 Fidei86 wrote: The other thing about Rit's claim is that he's been all over the place on whether or not he was able to choose who he voted for d1 and d2. He said several times that the mods chose who he had to vote, but then he also once d1 that he was happy with his vote on me. It also doesn't make much sense that he'd get an upgrade for doing something he was FORCED to do by the rules. So, rit, which is it? Could you chose who to vote for, or could you not? i already answered this over 50 pages ago, why do you still have such a hard-on for me. it makes me think you're not town simply because at some point town would have at least tried to reconsider at some point. | ||
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On August 29 2015 07:36 Damdred wrote: I doubt wee over get an answer been asking for a hit now were other people's upgrades not explicitly stated to them? that's news to me. | ||
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On August 29 2015 07:46 JudgeJudy wrote: ![[image loading]](http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/7+reasons+to+hate+oregan+fuck+oregon+fuck+its+trail_6c2284_5439443.gif) Just to follow up here.....what do you think is the most likely scenario? a) mafia KSC b) chez + obi c) at least one mafia on rayn wagon d) other? eh it's changed a bit so i am not sure atm. i realized i omitted geript from the poe because of 2 green checks on him which have now both been rescinded by the people who gave them....so i am thinking if that changes things but i will tell you where my head was at before. i think chez is super mafia. when chez flips mafia, i think there will be 1 left. i thought it was most likely between obi and ksc, so i was gonna rb one of them and if kp appeared i was gonna lynch the other. with that poe potentially not being as solid kinda throws a wrench in it. | ||
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On August 29 2015 08:05 Fidei86 wrote: Care to link me to it? Because I went through your filter and I couldn't find it. i rng voted because it was my upgrade. i knew my upgrade, i rng'd the vote to obtain it. simple as that. any more explanation moves too close to talking about exact role pms and mod kill territory for my liking. | ||
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On August 29 2015 08:05 Fidei86 wrote: Care to link me to it? Because I went through your filter and I couldn't find it. that wasn't very hard either: On August 26 2015 04:20 ritoky wrote: Think I already said this a while ago, but yes. read the convo btwn me and rels. | ||
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On August 29 2015 08:11 Damdred wrote: Kinda funny but I won't draw any concussions yet i mean we are gonna lynch chez, he is gonna flip mafia and i am conf town; unless we plan to not lynch him which i feel is stupid in every capacity, discussing my alignment is a waste of time until he flips really. | ||
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On August 29 2015 08:13 Fidei86 wrote: It's a simple question and it has a simple answer. Were you compelled to vote one way or another, or were you free to choose. If you're saying it's the latter, that DIRECTLY contradicts statements you've made earlier. of course i was free to choose to try to obtain my upgrade or not. any role where the mod literally pms you who you have to vote for should never be implemented and i would immediately ask for a sub upon receiving it. i voted who i wanted yesterday, so this question is still very dumb and i have no idea where you're going. i lied about being forced to vote by a mod to obtain an upgrade in a way that would not get me immediately shot by the mafia. woopdeedoo, people lie. damdred lied about his presents confirming alignment, ksc lied about cop checks. geript lied about talking with hts post death. people lie. | ||
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i nuked chez, he shot down my nuke. i roleblocked him on a night he claimed to have gotten an inv off. i have been trying to lynch him for days, only didn't lynch him yesterday cuz a nuke was headed toward him. imo if he flips mafia or non-investigative i am confirmed town rb ezpz. | ||
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On August 29 2015 08:17 JudgeJudy wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g379/terlet/KimJongUnWaving_zps3db53292.gif) So I assume that means you think obi should hold off on using his nuke today? well if he uses it on geript or ksc, then that narrows my poe back down to 2 in the night. so then i could employ the same strategy of rb 1 and if kp appears lynch the other. all assuming chez flips mafia. so i guess i would advocate using it on ksc or geript, preferably ksc simply for the sake of poe simplification. | ||
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On August 29 2015 08:23 Fidei86 wrote: WTF. Why would you get shot by the mafia if you admitted that you didn't have to vote for whoever the mods picked? That makes no sense. this may seem like complete wifom to you, but as town i have been shot in the first 2 nights every single game for the past while. if i were mafia i would assume that the character i got would have a role seeing as this person is a rather large personality on the forums. thus if i were mafia i would have shot me unless there was a reason not to. strong player + likely role = auto-n1 shot. thus i strategically applied a detractor to myself, aka the mod tells me who to vote for, to make myself a less appealing shot. | ||
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On August 29 2015 08:24 Damdred wrote: Then why is it such a big deal I lied? If all those people+you lied. The answer is simple it pushes your agenda. And I don't Know how chez death is good on anyone honestly it kinda is...maybe rels he's done a lot of work because you're 3p so it is my nature as town to doubt everything you say because it isn't town? and yes my agenda is to lynch mafia so i am happy pushing it. | ||
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if i were mafia, when i claimed my rb on chez. i would have stopped there cuz i was ahead. i would not have claimed a n1 rb on hts because there is absolutely nothing to gain from claiming it, it is a net loss play. as mafia i don't make net loss plays, not really what i am about. | ||
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On August 29 2015 08:32 Fidei86 wrote: Does anyone else find it weird that ritoky, who usually gets NKed N1 because he is good at town hasn't had a correct read or a correct push yet? Because I find it super weird. On August 24 2015 10:15 ritoky wrote: i guess i doubt that LT and rels could be together based on what breshke just quoted. so revised list: chez - soon to flip red 1 of rels & LT tubesock yamato - 3p obi you're just wrong. and i am done here. you're too far in the tank i can't tell if you're donkey or not town at this point. there's no talking with you. i could tell you the sky is blue and you would call me mafia. i hope for your sake you're not town so that when chez flips red and i am conf town you don't look so foolish. | ||
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1) how the fuck did no1 ask for the rest of fid's checks? cmon peepz, dats standard practice 2) i dignified reading a mafia case on me that felt absurd. at least it explains some things about how you've been acting. i will tell you your error though. you think town could have gotten "unlucky", i say the mafia 100% sends the untrackable dude to kill when available. 3) it's hard out here for a confirmed townie 4) #townlyfe off to werk. | ||
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i will gladly await fidei's apology. | ||
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On August 30 2015 10:54 Fidei86 wrote: Ugh. Assuming anyone is or isn't confirmed until they flip or the game ends is dumb. And why would I apologise for pushing you, when I saw you visit someone who got NK'd day 1 and nobody else, and when I think you've been scummy? Like, you may think I'm wrong (and I may in fact be wrong), but I don't owe you an apology. i mean i nuked chez, i then did a gotcha post when he faked a check, and then got green checked. plus i have lynched 2 mafia and shot a 3p. you can't get much more confirmed than i am right now. i am like quadraconfirmed. tbh you played mostly okay given your info and i understood it after you outted, i was just flipping you shit cuz i am on the right side of things. the only 2 errors i see are that you never seemed to reconsider anything when untrackable flipped and you also thought mafia didn't 100% send said person to make kills which is suboptimal play in 95% of cases by mafia if they don't. regardless, there's a nuke headed toward ksc, probably roleblocking 1 of OWS or geript cuz my poe. also ticktock starting to rise up the list of eyebrow raising since dat falloff so real. but then again i might just default to RBing damdred cuz cult paranoia. | ||
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ritoky probably town: fidei 100% didn't deliver kp and probably town: geript damdred: damdred remaining: OWS TT JJ that's pretty much where i am at. | ||
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On August 31 2015 09:16 Damdred wrote: This post gives me a gut reaction of TT is scum... Totally illogical that hi could,'ve scum since rels confirmed me third party. Also the whole,thing about obi flipping won't end,the game feels a bit tmi also. yeah he doesn't even seem to realize that both green checks on geript got rescinded either... | ||
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On August 31 2015 10:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm super inclined to not lynch JJ. Why do people not trust her/him/whatever? cuz rayn vote left him outside my poe. and JJ kinda pseudo hammered rayn altho that's somewhat debatable. | ||
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ugh i guess i really need to buckle down and read all 3 of these filters and solve this game.... | ||
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On August 31 2015 10:38 Fidei86 wrote: Okay so here's where I am. Ritoky has claimed a RB on geript, and claims he isn't Mafia because didn't deliver KP. Either: 1. ritoky is town, confirming geript as town also. Continuing to assume the rayn wagon is pure, which I do, that means it is OWS. 2. ritoky is lying, and is therefore Mafia. I'd rather lynch rut first, and I'll do a post tomorrow explaining why. But I'd be happy with OWS. I think both are scummy and I think everyone else has much better town cred. One question I have - is it worth everyone now claiming their roles? There is the possibility that further claims serve to help confirm some of us to each other, possibly? Although since there's a RBer, that might not be the best idea. I guess you guys will have to decide for yourselves. you want to lynch a green check by a confirmed cop on the off chance of a frame occurring? are you fucking high? seriously you need to get the fuck out of the tunnel. your plan is stupid too because you confirm geript only to get him shot in the night and you lose my ability to potentially stop kp. like wtf is this. | ||
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On August 31 2015 10:39 Fidei86 wrote: Before the inevitable ritoky/OWS flame, I will say that yes, I will re-read the other filters. And I will keep listening and interacting. But that's what I'm thinking right now. No this is important because if you're town you're in the process of throwing a game in which we have lynched 3 straight mafia. | ||
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ritoky geript judge fid the swap to rayn after tube had already moved....so compelling....ugh. maybe i will just RB judge tonight to resolve his alignment cuz i don't see a compelling reason to lynch him... which leaves me @ OWS and TT....or the good ole lynch the survivor, try to block a kp, and see who they kill sending us potentially to lylo if 2 strat....but fuck that strat. | ||
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On August 31 2015 11:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Can someone just block or check me or something so I don't have to worry about proving my towniness anymore? Seems like it's basically beyond repair at this point anyway. didn't u claim untargetable void of all blahh blahh? | ||
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On August 31 2015 11:08 Damdred wrote: Rit its pretty obvious I'm survivor and I'm town siding at this point. Or else the game would be over at this point. so why lynch me or even think it. it's a stupid thought which is why a dismissed it. it was mostly spun from greed of wanting to try and stop a kp tonight, but also some potential scenarios i don't particularly like such as: f5 2 town 2 mafia and you -> 3p gets to choose who wins essentially (which is actually a large reason why i dislike 3p roles in general, but that's a story for another time), same thing @ final 3 if you get there too. then there's the paranoia of you having a non-survivor win condition. but really i am probably just gonna lynch 1 of TT and OWS today, it was worth considering for a moment tho even if it's ultimately stupid. | ||
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On August 31 2015 11:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm boldfacedly not taking care of it right now. classy | ||
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1) I am green checked by a confirmed cop in a game that has demonstrated no real inclination of having a framer. In the event you believe there is 1 mafia left, that mafia is in fact a ROLEBLOCKER not a FRAMER: how do we know this? Fidei was ROLEBLOCKED and I did not do it. Even moreso you have to believe that I was framed specifically on N2 in which Rels checked me, which is already an unlikely rabbit hole you're going down. Should we continue or is it already over? Pretty sure it's already over, but let's go for argument's sake. 2) I shot 3p, nuked mafia, lynched 2 of the 3 mafia. Thank you for listing my pro-town achievements thus far this game and giving me no credit for it. You make a big deal out of my day 2 vote, when I am RNG voting for an upgrade so I fail to see any point about that. Day 3 is irrelevant cuz you see I am townie. And about "ritoky never does meaningless stuff for two cycles"; bro go read my games I am useless a lot longer some times. 3) Your entire yamato thing literally says "he shot someone that was good for town, but i think he is mafia thus did it for town cred". You're literally calling me scummy for something you're admitting was town. 4) I don't know what you're talking about with this 1 person 1 kp stuff. I have played MULTIPLE games where 1 player is capable of delivering all KP, and to think that anyone OTHER THAN THE UNTRACKABLE DUDE was delivering KP prior to his death is plain naive thinking. 5) I am confirmed 6) As for the no evidence of me solving the game, I would like to refer you to me doing vote analysis, PoE, attempting to discern roles, speculating about cult, being generally confused about what is going on, and such from my filter. You obviously missed those posts when you contrived this mess. We are done here, your arguments are all pretty meh other than I roleplayed rather than played day 1 and some of day 2, which is a valid criticism of myself and many others this game. | ||
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On August 31 2015 11:50 Damdred wrote: One thing that does bother me is that there haven't been a lot of rb claims if they had a factional power. Like its possible but tha means on one night they could have 3 rb who,h might be diving into the setup a bit much. However IF this was so I'm not sure what the play here was with geript confirming another person town by blocking what is perceived as a useless power by geript himself to an extent. Unless you think both rit and geript are town. Onegu doesn't send RB notifications if I remember correctly, I once claimed having received one in an Onegu game and got myself lynched over it. | ||
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On August 31 2015 12:02 Damdred wrote: Well that wasn't my main point but as far as I know almost nobody besides fid and geript have been rb well i rb'd hts (died), chez (lied about being rbd), you (if no notifications and no actions then how would you know), and geript | ||
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1) Mafia elected to frame 1 of their own players (me) on night 2 which just so happened to be the night that a confirmed cop checked me. 2) This is a game is a game in which 1 kp is delivered by 1 player and no more. 3) The mafia chose on night 1....NIGHT 1 to NOT use their unseeable player to carry KP. Specifically to the most widely town read person in the game. 4) I would use factional KP on an afk/uninterested player in yamato AND claim it; rather than using it on a vocal player who is against me. If you believe all of that, then you can call me not confirmed town. That is literally the world you have to live in. | ||
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On August 31 2015 13:04 geript wrote: ok. So for right now, I'm pretty impressed that Rels correctly guessed 3 people. Maybe he only guess damdred right and got his upgrade but whatever. Granted 1 was damdred and I can't remember who I had guessed for them but eh. I'd seriously doubt 2 GF abilities. So I don't think ritoky is mafia. And while it's possible Damdred is a 3p covered mafia, I find it pretty unlikely. Fidei86 geript Damdred JudgeJudy ObiWanShinobi ritoky Tictock So I'm guessing it's 1 mafia and 1-2 3P, kinda depends. Ritoky greencheck makes him 99% town. Damdred is essentially 3p. My greencheck makes me 99% town. That basically leaves us Fido, OWS, Ticktock and JJ. Right now idk. I don't remember what exactly OWS/TT/JJ have claimed their roles to do. OWS basically claimed he is a void that absorbs powers used on him, takes them from their owner, and makes them his own as far as i can tell. JJ has never claimed anything, and TT has claimed he has no active power. | ||
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On August 31 2015 13:11 Damdred wrote: What scares me is if geript is scum rb and the mason qt was his upgrade as I don't think another one besides mine has been confirmed by both parties then you have to believe there's 2 mafia. geript 100% didn't deliver kp last night. | ||
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On August 31 2015 13:15 geript wrote: Damdred/ritoky please comment ont his idea. It's kinda a cop check I think. I mean it may confirm that he does what he says he does, doesn't necessarily determine if he does it whether that role is scum or town sided. I would do it though, since I don't think potentially losing your role ability at this point really does anything detrimental? At the very least we know he is what he claims or is lying. | ||
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On August 31 2015 13:18 Damdred wrote: To be fair I am tinfoiling a bit. I think tt or jj is the best choices probably my gut kinda says tt Any reason you're completely off OWS? You may have said so and I am stupid and forgot. Tell me again if so. | ||
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On August 31 2015 13:35 ObiWanShinobi wrote: No I don't. I have a 1-shot vanillize on someone who visits me. I haven't claimed my full role. Visits you or visits you in the night? | ||
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On August 31 2015 13:38 Damdred wrote: Though maybe I've been to sure about town reading fid. i think he is town, but he keeps falling down my list because he literally has never reconsidered once....even in the face of a green check.....dunno. | ||
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On August 31 2015 13:42 geript wrote: Either way, if I lose my power, it's kinda moot. I guess there's a theoretical possibility that someone visited OWS before but idk who that'd be. His role does sound kinda mafia oriented considering the setup but eh. I still want JJ and TT to full claim if they haven't already. I don't really remember what if anything they've claimed. JJ - no mentions TT - says his role has no active abilities | ||
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vote switch to rayn (tt 3rd to vote @ 56) 6-4 rayn leading tubesock votes rels @ 58 6-5 rayn yamato votes for self (LOL) KSC unvotes 5-5 rayn JJ votes rayn 6-5 rayn Rels unvotes 5-5 rayn lynched | ||
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On August 31 2015 12:35 ritoky wrote: Just so everyone is clear, this is what you have to believe to not see me as confirmed, but as mafia: 1) Mafia elected to frame 1 of their own players (me) on night 2 which just so happened to be the night that a confirmed cop checked me. 2) This is a game is a game in which 1 kp is delivered by 1 player and no more. 3) The mafia chose on night 1....NIGHT 1 to NOT use their unseeable player to carry KP. Specifically to the most widely town read person in the game. 4) I would use factional KP on an afk/uninterested player in yamato AND claim it; rather than using it on a vocal player who is against me. If you believe all of that, then you can call me not confirmed town. That is literally the world you have to live in. If so, I don't really know what to say to you. You're living in the world of 1% rather than the world of 99%. The entire premise of what you're saying is that the game mechanically doesn't function the way in which most mafia games function and that a green check was framed on the night he happened to be investigated. If that is where you want your head to be I can't help you this game or you're not town. The confluence of events you're believing is so tinfoil. | ||
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On September 01 2015 05:22 Damdred wrote: Anyway I just want to hear why tt claims he doesn't have an active ability but visited people last night. And who he visited and why ? | ||
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On September 01 2015 06:01 JudgeJudy wrote: ![[image loading]](https://33.media.tumblr.com/13e6ec744226221c842131e778aaa230/tumblr_n173vksCCO1rfd7lko1_500.gif) The "99%" is a number made up on the spot. Even if tube decided to frame someone at random, excluding himself and his shot, it's going to come out much higher that that. I've already explained where I think the pool of framer targets was by eliminating certain players and that the odds that you were selected is somewhere between 25%-50%. I admit that this means that the check is legit more often than not, but that is not the only factor my read is based on. The behavioral stuff suggests that you were mafia and relying on a blue role to determine your alignment was town didn't outweigh the other points. There is essentially a coin flip that says you were framed on night two and a coin flip that says you killed HTS on night one. They cancel themselves out in my mind so I'm sticking with the behavioral stuff. I don't doubt that tube carried out an untrackable kill on night one, but there were two kills. I'm saying there is a 50% chance he killed HTS and a 50% chance he killed wave. Like I said, I'm eliminating the blue stuff completely. On day one you pushed fidei all cycle long as part of your role, even though you didn't need to. On day two, you pushed FF via RNG admitted that rayn was probably mafia, yet your vote remained on FF and you didn't bring him up again. You say your upgrade worked in a way that you had to vote these players, but everyone else has a role that works differently and even if that role is real, there is no way that giving up your vote for the first two days is worth it. I'm obviously not going to be able to convince you that you're mafia. Either you aren't or you will deny it to the end. I'm mostly hoping to hear from others. Obi says he likes the case, but hasn't shared what he likes or dislikes. TT agrees as well but hasn't posted much this cycle. I have no idea where Fidei is at. The cycle is half over so we really need to hear from everyone at this point. :/ To me this is your read: 1) ritoky didn't do town shit the first two days -> I agree, I was roleplaying and rng voting for an upgrade and pretty much ignoring most of what was going on. 2) mechanics that don't make sense -> most games i have played and a past onegu game have allowed multiple kp to be delivered by a solitary player so you're believing this game is different from others. 3) how to get around a green check -> there were what? 17 people alive when I was investigated? So based on pure rng it was a 5.8% chance I was checked, let's assume it wasn't so random and double it. you're looking @ 11.6%. on top of that you're also assuming the mafia elected to use a frame defensively rather than offensively and on me which probably cuts that number in half again back to around 5.8%. 4) knowing upgrade -> yup, it's weird that i knew mine from minute 1. i can't explain it 5) since day 2 has ended ritoky has done nothing but be town in every way possible including being green checked, shooting a 3p lurker and outting to dunk a mafia, but give him 0 credit and only focus on first 2 days. To me, that is a flimsy read. It relies entirely on speculative mechanics that historically don't hold up and really just seems to be trying to make an excuse to get around a green check. | ||
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On September 01 2015 06:46 JudgeJudy wrote: ![[image loading]](http://38.media.tumblr.com/030904850ffcdaf531ef267edcb674ae/tumblr_npqrqcZHhN1s0afzho1_r1_400.gif) But that's not true. I checked. In Ippo, Holyflare was the godfather who happened to be untrackable, but three different players from the mafia team had to carry out the kp to three different individuals. Sure, HF could shoot a single player for "12KP", but that's only because Ippo had a HP based system that doesn't translate to this game. What other onegu game are you referring to? Well like I said, LT and chezinu had red checks on them. If you get credit for those lynches, then everyone does (except geript). I liked the yamato shot. I'll give you that. But again, I don't see it out of the question for a mafia player to shoot a non-mafia yamato. Forgive me for not informing the player who I think is mafia the answer to that  I also checked, in ippo HF delivered 2 kp on the final night and most nights of the game. I am sitting here asking about your bombs because you have potential auto if you have a bomb on OWS and me. I have a PoE of you, OWS, and TT. Lynching you would kill 2 of the 3 people in my PoE and both of the ones in yours. If the game doesn't end then town lynches TT and wins. | ||
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On September 01 2015 09:01 Tictock wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h177/DeppCollector/2010%20Alice%20in%20Wonderland/hatter%20gif-104_zpsnuccoidb.gif) I'm a Mad Hatter. Not sure if TT has revealed more than that pic about his role. Really disappointed that I don't have something that I could put to better use, but it is what it is. Claiming whether I still have my bomb or where it currently may be doesn't have much benefit, so I'll leave it at that. Now on to the ritoky stuff... Why would you claim this? Like it was pretty unlikely that you were going to be lynched, and now it's pretty unlikely that your going to be NK'd. Seems like claiming nullifies any potential benefit of your role whole also providing a good excuse to survive. Maybe I'm just not familiar with how MH's work. Is it possible to lose your bomb if your current target dies?[/QUOTE] If he's town, then it's w/e it's just his role although he is being dumb not claiming his bombs imo. If he's mafia it's a lynch deterrent claim or "don't lynch me bro" claim. And there's 2 versions of MH I am aware of. 1 gets a fixed # of bombs to start the game and distributes them 1 per night. If MH dies all explode, if person w/ bomb on them dies bomb is lost. The other version is MH has 1 bomb, they move it around every night and it doesn't disappear if target is lynched or NK'd. He hasn't attempted to clarify anything thus far and neither have you, when literally everyone else has claimed every aspect of their role. Which kind makes me wanna lynch into the two of you more. | ||
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If he's town, then it's w/e it's just his role although he is being dumb not claiming his bombs imo. If he's mafia it's a lynch deterrent claim or "don't lynch me bro" claim. And there's 2 versions of MH I am aware of. 1 gets a fixed # of bombs to start the game and distributes them 1 per night. If MH dies all explode, if person w/ bomb on them dies bomb is lost. The other version is MH has 1 bomb, they move it around every night and it doesn't disappear if target is lynched or NK'd. He hasn't attempted to clarify anything thus far and neither have you, when literally everyone else has claimed every aspect of their role. Which kind makes me wanna lynch into the two of you more. fixed the formatting. | ||
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JJ - wrong, pushing wrong for bad and falsified reasons, voted at 59 on rayn wagon but found gif in time; is wrong, what is end game when i flip town if mafia? not trying to get read on anyone else, claimed MH aka don't lynch me bro role OWS - poe from rayn wagon, vanillizing not alignment indicative role would lean toward it being mafia sided but meh, play is more town than others TT - stone nothing, literal 0 memory of his play since rayn lynch, suddenly now under pressure = more active, claims no active ability role when almost eveyone has had, will not talk about role even though everyone claimed and has not justified it, PoE cuz fid prob town, damd 3p, ger town, me town. | ||
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On September 01 2015 14:24 JudgeJudy wrote: ![[image loading]](http://25.media.tumblr.com/343126747ef6c13ae651676d368ef873/tumblr_mgowinf2wI1qlcs90o1_250.gif) How did you go from this to this? Is it just the case on you? The gif thing is meaningless. I don't see why that matters. I showed up to vote rayn when it was 5 to 5 and was going to come down to a tiebreaker, seconds after tube just showed up to try to hammer rels. I remained on rayn when Rels unvoted to ensure rayn stayed lynched. As for the hatter, it shouldn't deter you at all. If you think I'm mafia then you lynch me. If you think I'm town then you don't lynch me. Being a MH shouldn't impact your decision at all. I am trying to read other people. I've read through obi's filter like five times by now. That's painful to do -_- I'm honestly putting effort into trying to figure out this game. I spent four hours on the case against you. I'm sorry if I'm wrong, but after seeing kel flip green and then have the nerve to call us all retarded, it made me really angry. Am I positive that you're mafia? Not really....but at least nobody can say I didn't try. obi totally ditching me kinda strikes a nerve. He was talking about he was looking through filters, yet comes up with nothing. He leaves himself open for both the ritoky lynch and TT lynch. Assuming one mafia remaining, right now I'd put you at 65% mafia, obi 25%, TT and damdred 5% each and, geript and fidei less than 1%. I typed a response to this, but it ended up in me just yelling at you more because you imply that I am not trying my literal ass off to solve the game when you have supposedly read my filter and it is clear. I moved my stance on you because you made a case on me, the case was falsified in many regards one of which almost certainly confirms me as green; yet you maintain it and do nothing to determine anyone else's alignment regardless of you saying you are. I don't want to imply that you are not trying or insult you in any way, but quite frankly you are looking at a tree and missing a forest as far as I am concerned. You simply cannot grasp the fact that the world in which you are choosing to believe is so utterly unlikely that it is pointless to believe. Yes I have the nerve to call into question your and fid's capabilities as town if you are also town, I won't say more than that because it probably won't be as nice as the rest of this. I am green checked, I am confirmed town, I am the town roleblocker, I am the carry this game needs. Once you have accepted these things perhaps then I will start giving fucks again. | ||
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ritoky
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honestly don't care and haven't read anything since my last post. just gonna try to lynch mafia and block kp in the night since i am confirmed town. | ||
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ritoky
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the simple reality of this game is that mafia have to ml me today or they are going to lose. they cannot nk me because there are not enough mls in the game outside of me being in the list for them to win. they also must ml me asap because as the #s dwindle i get a better shot at blocking their kp, confirming my alignment, and finding mafia 100% and probably ending the game. it really is as simple as that. | ||
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ritoky
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On September 02 2015 06:04 JudgeJudy wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i39.tinypic.com/2nhkoep.jpg) Why did you RB damdred on n3 and geript on n4, rather than a mafia read? n3 cult paranoia n4 geript cuz bunch of green checks got rescinded and i wanted to conf him as town | ||
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ritoky
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On September 02 2015 06:53 geript wrote: Here's the low down. People should've claimed there roles like D3 when I asked for them. Definitely on D4. Because that type of shit tends to solve games pretty quickly surprisingly. yup, probably shoulda threatened lynch on all non-claimers in hindsight. oh well. | ||
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On September 02 2015 06:59 ritoky wrote: if i die, town...you're bad and should feel bad. the above | ||
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1) Fidei had black and white vision when the game is grey and that pretty much cost town a large portion of the game since he didn't understand the mechanics of the situation. 2) TT not claiming his role with over 1hr until EoD was a bad call. 3) I am fine with the way the game ended, even though there were multiple potential outcomes on the final day. There is something to be said about the lack of knowledge town had about random wincons though. 4) I think the game, while it played out well ended up kinda imbalanced. 2 MLs and 3 correct lynches -> mylo seems quite punishing for town from an objective pov. But not really imbalanced enough to throw a stink about, it was a funsies game with all roles, it was bound to be unfavorable to 1 alignment. 5) I kinda agree with geript's last point. If the intention was to make the survivor unclaimable, it was either not stated or not enforced as it was claimed repeatedly. | ||
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