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ritoky
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On August 10 2015 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean like the power roles are determined by a certain criteria. If everyone or almost everyone is a role the game gets... well really easy for the town. If that's not the case what's the point of the second post in the thread? Just because there are certain things that need to be done in order to balance a closed setup unless you throw it all around in a specific way. It will ensure massclaiming is a really good strategy, or otherwise the game is not going to be balanced in the first place. i think the point of the 2nd post is: 1) take a chill pill 2) if he randomizes and all the roles land on new players he will "adjust" accordingly 3) it's a closed setup which has its inherent advantages and disadvantages, if you ain't about that lyfe, then you ain't about that lyfe. 4) take a chill pill | ||
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On August 10 2015 07:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't understand any of that post ritoky because it has nothing to do with what i said. i think you didn't read the 2nd post of the thread then. | ||
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On August 10 2015 11:03 Breshke wrote: I think rit misunderstood that when onegu said the frequent players will be roles he didn't mean he will be giving those players roles but actually making roles with their names. Like someone could get the "Rsoultin" role if they are really unlucky o, guess i might have misread it? the way it reads tho reads like role rigging rather than user names as roles. | ||
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On August 10 2015 12:02 Onegu wrote: No no no. IF you have been a active player you could be a actual role. Like people said you could get the rsoultin role if rsoulting is a role in this game... well in case you ever need more role ideas: http://mikeburnfire.deviantart.com/art/Mafia-Roles-72597749 | ||
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Here's how it works: 1) you will all follow me because i am better than you. 2) i will choose who we lynch every phase via RNG, then we will lynch him without question. the RNG will be determined by this post (the one you're reading right now). each post is assigned a unique id on team liquid which cannot be manipulated because of the rate of posts on TL; this makes it the perfect candidate for determining people via RNG. then from that post id i will use the following formula to determine whom is the candidate for lynch: (sum of each individual digit in the post id [ex: 1111 = 4]) / 21 [number of players alive in game] * coefficient of the thread's stupidity this formula will provide a number from 1 to 21, we will lynch the player it determines without hesitation or questioning. no possible explanation or reasoning could convince me that RNG lynching is in any way sub-optimal play. please bow before the RNG and watch it carry us to victory. | ||
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##vote: Fidei86 Fidei, your lynch has been determined by RNG, please submit to death mafia scum. | ||
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On August 19 2015 07:12 ruXxar wrote: I no believe this good idea. what if you roll me o_O Look roughly speaking there are 21 players, right? if 6 of them are scum, then that gives us a solid 30% chance of lynching scum purely based on RNG. Now, this isn't the ideal ratio, I understand. Often, town can sometimes, occasionally makes miracles out of idiocy for D1 lynches. But unless you put together a better case, the fact of the matter is, I'm offering a straight-up 30% chance to lynch someone. And I think that's better than anything anyone else has offered. Why do you not want a 30% chance to lynch mafia 100% of the time? | ||
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RNG has determined it. | ||
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On August 19 2015 07:46 Fecalfeast wrote: YOU DON'T ACCUSE SOMEONE OF BEING MAFIA WITH RNG YOU GO HARD AT THEM YOU ARE SCUM Fidei is mafia, that is a fact. But playing the fair judge's game in order to see if the judge has the mental capabilities of grasping truth will allow me to determine if the judge is incompetent or not. | ||
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You deny that fidei was RNG'd? | ||
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On August 19 2015 07:52 ruXxar wrote: I dont think thats how you play mafia lol. he hasnt said anything yet. Explain why anyone else in the thread has a greater than 30% chance of being mafia, otherwise you are being a fool and playing sub-optimally. Clearly fidei is the best target in the thread and no one else is even close to consideration. | ||
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On August 19 2015 07:56 ruXxar wrote: I dont have a read on fidei yet. How can i decide. You don't need a read, he is mafia. RNG has determined it. Even further, you mention he has yet to post yet. Fidei's lack of posting thus far in the game only further illustrates that he is a low contribution player. He is objectively doing the least amount possible to help town. Reviewing him in the DB he contributed 8 pages of content in 6 phases of play constituting a rate of 1.333 pages per phase; meaning the pace he is currently on is approximately what he will do the rest of the game. Fidei is scum, and the optimal play is to consolidate and lynch him. | ||
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On August 19 2015 08:30 Fecalfeast wrote: RNG can create good discussion around the subject but this is not going anywhere And what are you doing to drive discussion? Who has a greater than 30% chance of being mafia? Don't cast stones if you are a glass house. Simply vote fidei because I am better than you and I know what is right. | ||
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On August 19 2015 08:24 Chezinu wrote: Ok cool. You roll the dice ->random.org<- Who is it? Random.org screenshots can be manipulated, whereas applying a post # to a formula is provable in all situations. | ||
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On August 19 2015 08:35 Chezinu wrote: So, you are saying you are seriously about this lynch? I see no better option currently. No case has been made that is compelling enough to outweigh a 30% chance of hitting mafia. | ||
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After reviewing the game, I have arrived at the same place. Fidei is the best candidate for lynch both objectively and subjectively. The Objective Case: RNG has selected fidei, he is mafia. If you need an explanation of how he was selected please reference my filter. Outside of that RNG is PARTICULARLY suited for this game. This is a closed setup, and historically in closed setups there is an incredibly strong likelihood that there are more anti-town players than are normally in an open setup. So with that alone our probability of hitting mafia from RNG has already increased by a significant margin. However, there is more. We are playing a game in which people are attempting to act like other people and mask their own play as someone else's. This means that day 1 reads and particularly day 1 meta reads have a diminished rate of accuracy. Meaning RNG is the optimal line of play. A situation with increased odds of hitting mafia and diminished validity of meta reads clearly points to RNG being the objective best line of play. The Subjective Case: Outside of RNG declaring fidei mafia, he is actually mafia. Consider his posting thus far: On August 19 2015 08:33 Fidei86 wrote: Ritoky, I can't get a read on you and usually we soul read each other. I think that basically means you're confirmed mafia, because if I can't read you then it means you're mafia, and usually we can tell each other's read a scarily uncanny amount of the time. Also, pushing scum doesn't make me mafia, it makes me town. Come on people. [serious]This game started while I was out with friends, and am currently quite toasty. Will read tomorrow and revert.[/serious] There are 3 aspects to this post that I would like to highlight: 1) The most classic mafia play ever: "Notice me senpai -> excuse about activity". His final sentence has no point other than to say hi I am here and fade away. 2) He is drunk or at least partially. This is important because drunk people are more prone to letting slip things or not being careful with their wording. Will be revisited later. 3) His immediate entrance response into the thread is to seek out me and essentially claim a personality to me in a very half-assed manner. First and foremost there is not point to this because he knows who I am and once RNG has declared him mafia, appeals to emotion are pointless only hard logic can deter me. Secondly, it may be coincidence but singling out the only person calling him mafia and appealing to them directly reads as an over-response to pressure. And finally the half-assed imitation. This will require some explanation. I think people who are committing heavily to trying to act the part of the player they got rolled into and are sticking to it for a decent portion of time are very likely to be town. I feel that it is a risky play to play in a manner unlike yourself and in one that could potentially draw lynch attention to you for not playing "serious". Mafia are averse to both risk and lynch pressure on day 1, and thus would be less apt to fully commit to acting the part of someone else. I do not necessarily read legitimate frustration with the game type or completely ignoring who you rolled as scum though, I don't think the converse works. However, the half-ass attempts read as scum to me because it seems as if it is a mere "LOL"/attention grab for a few moments for them or a tool to further their agenda. This is the area fidei falls into in my mind. Continuing on, and credit to Tubesock on the find here: On August 19 2015 08:51 Fidei86 wrote: The person who has Chezinu should be pretty obvious, and they haven't revealed themselves yet. On August 19 2015 09:00 Fidei86 wrote: The only Chezinu I have been exposed to is the Onegu version of Chezinu. No hate because I haven't seen the true Chezuinu in action. On August 19 2015 09:09 Tubesock wrote: Then what was the purpose of your Chezinu is obvious and no one's outed yet post? Seems to many in the thread that Damdred is obviously Chezinu... This goes hand in hand with point #2 from above, that fidei is drunk. He made an obvious error that speaks for itself. I can elaborate further, but I feel these consecutive quotes are very self explanatory. Not only did tubesock find it important but so did others: And what was fidei's response to this important question? On August 19 2015 09:18 Fidei86 wrote: Assuming at some point that that will stop and this will revert to a regular mafia game? Ignoring it and complaining. I hate to break it to you, but this is a regular mafia game already, and this is a real accusation; and you really are mafia. Fidei is objectively and subjectively the best lynch in the game, anyone not voting for him is taking a sub-optimal line of play and is bad. | ||
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