[M][T] The New Personality Mafia - Page 2

On August 19 2015 13:34 The Shining wrote:
Actually yeah no 200+ posts is way too much, I'm not reading all that. someone fill me in? who is scum?

On August 19 2015 13:20 Breshke wrote:


That's why i was saying it makes sense if that is in fact what he was doing



Is FF fantasy football mafia? Because this is BH's explanation of his RNG lynch.



This is not what ritoky did.

On August 19 2015 10:18 ritoky wrote:
We should lynch Fidei

After reviewing the game, I have arrived at the same place. Fidei is the best candidate for lynch both objectively and subjectively.

The Objective Case:

RNG has selected fidei, he is mafia. If you need an explanation of how he was selected please reference my filter. Outside of that RNG is PARTICULARLY suited for this game. This is a closed setup, and historically in closed setups there is an incredibly strong likelihood that there are more anti-town players than are normally in an open setup. So with that alone our probability of hitting mafia from RNG has already increased by a significant margin. However, there is more. We are playing a game in which people are attempting to act like other people and mask their own play as someone else's. This means that day 1 reads and particularly day 1 meta reads have a diminished rate of accuracy. Meaning RNG is the optimal line of play. A situation with increased odds of hitting mafia and diminished validity of meta reads clearly points to RNG being the objective best line of play.

The Subjective Case:

Outside of RNG declaring fidei mafia, he is actually mafia. Consider his posting thus far:



There are 3 aspects to this post that I would like to highlight:

1) The most classic mafia play ever: "Notice me senpai -> excuse about activity". His final sentence has no point other than to say hi I am here and fade away.

2) He is drunk or at least partially. This is important because drunk people are more prone to letting slip things or not being careful with their wording. Will be revisited later.

3) His immediate entrance response into the thread is to seek out me and essentially claim a personality to me in a very half-assed manner. First and foremost there is not point to this because he knows who I am and once RNG has declared him mafia, appeals to emotion are pointless only hard logic can deter me. Secondly, it may be coincidence but singling out the only person calling him mafia and appealing to them directly reads as an over-response to pressure. And finally the half-assed imitation. This will require some explanation.

I think people who are committing heavily to trying to act the part of the player they got rolled into and are sticking to it for a decent portion of time are very likely to be town. I feel that it is a risky play to play in a manner unlike yourself and in one that could potentially draw lynch attention to you for not playing "serious". Mafia are averse to both risk and lynch pressure on day 1, and thus would be less apt to fully commit to acting the part of someone else. I do not necessarily read legitimate frustration with the game type or completely ignoring who you rolled as scum though, I don't think the converse works. However, the half-ass attempts read as scum to me because it seems as if it is a mere "LOL"/attention grab for a few moments for them or a tool to further their agenda. This is the area fidei falls into in my mind.

Continuing on, and credit to Tubesock on the find here:







This goes hand in hand with point #2 from above, that fidei is drunk. He made an obvious error that speaks for itself. I can elaborate further, but I feel these consecutive quotes are very self explanatory. Not only did tubesock find it important but so did others:





And what was fidei's response to this important question?



Ignoring it and complaining. I hate to break it to you, but this is a regular mafia game already, and this is a real accusation; and you really are mafia.

Fidei is objectively and subjectively the best lynch in the game, anyone not voting for him is taking a sub-optimal line of play and is bad.

On August 19 2015 21:49 Fidei86 wrote:
Okay, time for some real talk here. This isn't me impersonating someone, this is just me:

1. Don't play mafia when you're drunk. I basically just skimmed the threads last night, and missed most of it apparently.

2. The set-up of this game seems to me to be inherently mafia favoured. As town, everyone is mostly just excited to troll whoever's name they pulled up for all of the things that that person is perceived to do badly. I did exactly that last night. But (I) that distracts from finding mafia, (II) it allows mafia to blend in by just carrying along with the jester-like banter and, most importantly, (III) it is hard enough to spot slips or mafia tells in someone when they are just playing normally, let alone when they are impersonating someone else.

3. Following on from 2, I think that the game has to very quickly move towards the stage where town say "okay, screwing around pretending to be X or Y was fun for a day, but it's time to engage try-hard mode now." If we don't, we're going to wander aimlessly towards a lynch deadline with no mafia being pressured, no reads being forced out and generally no progress being made whatsoever.

4. If people continue to insist on posting "in character" much further, I think that is good reason to start scum reading them.

5. 3 and 4 only apply for people who are keen to win. There's nothing wrong with joining the game just to have fun goofing around as someone else. But I'm definitely in the 'tryhard' category, and will be playing as such.

6. I was accused last night by Ritoky of basically doing a bad parody of the person I was assigned. I plead guilty to that, for sure. The fact is, I have played a couple of games with the person I got, and I think they are a good player and they seem to be a nice person. But I don't really *know* them. But there's a broader point here - for newer players (like me) it's hard enough to try and work out whether someone is mafia or town based on their own play, let alone on when that person is being impersonated by someone else. Yeah, if you've played like 30 games with, say, Ritoky, you'd probably be well enough versed in his meta to guess whether someone impersonating him was town or mafia. But I haven't. I don't have any reads yet because I can't identify who people are impersonating and whether or not those impersonations are good or bad and whether or not the things I think that are scum tells are actually just exaggerated parodies (case in point is my crappy attempt at parody last night). It also doesn't help that I haven't played with most of you before, and those of you who I would claim to 'know' better (TT, HTS, Damdred) are all in heavy role-play mode atm.

All of the above has led me to the point where I've settled in my mind a little bit more clearly what I am looking for, and I'll try and go back over everything that has gone before this evening. The point of this post was just to get these thoughts out there, because I think they're important. And yes, I do recognise that a long self-analysis meta post can be a scum sign. Hopefully those of you who have played town with me will recognise that I always over-explain/over-think, but also that I like to share my thought processes all the time, even when they aren't super helpful, as that way people can better follow and interpret what I say and do later on.

On August 19 2015 23:59 Half the Sky wrote:
Fidei, reads when you can.

Preferably sober.

(Also Fidei I will stick to heavy role mode because this is fun...but my reads should be clear enough even in character speak. I wont refuse to make an argument in my own words though if it does help others. And I know that if I need to step out of character if it's the difference in getting Mafia lynched, then of course.

If it wasn't obvious already the person I got has a very different playmate than me, but I'll still give my reads.)

On August 20 2015 03:34 Lord Tolkien wrote:



Reasoning: the impossible dreams are the best ones to chase.



Which reminds me.

1) Anyone who uses MEEEEEEETA this game is retarded. true story

On August 20 2015 03:57 WaveofShadow wrote:
I have decent reason to believe geript is town. At the very least would not even remotely lynch today.

On August 20 2015 04:26 Lord Tolkien wrote:

All I see is META META MEEEEEEETA

On August 20 2015 04:33 Fecalfeast wrote:
ritokyhand can you fully explain the RNG method you used with none of the numbers as variables?

On August 20 2015 04:45 Fecalfeast wrote:
what was the average alive thread winrate and what was the post ID? i said none of the numbers as variables

On August 20 2015 04:41 Lord Tolkien wrote:
I am not inclined to believe a META read at this juncture of the game.

I mostly find that individual read to be non-alignment indicative for either, and mostly a trend; outside of Chez opposing a standard BH RNG lynch, there's nothing that stands out without relying on copious amounts of meta of him, which I don't have. As for geript...he's continuing to post some of the strangest speculation ever.

Like.

He's trying to not only to speculatively figure out personality roles based on meta AND THEN lynch based off META from there.

uuuuuuuuhhhhh


Mostly inclined to NOLYNCH him D1 based solely on activity (would still zero in on Vayne for not responding to my incredibly airtight case, but I have accepted a challonge). But have mostly discounted everything he said.

On August 20 2015 04:51 Fecalfeast wrote:
because you never figured out the average person's winrate
because you don't care to find the post you used for me
because you never randomized fidei
because you just made up the meaning of the thread's stupidity coefficient

On August 20 2015 04:57 Lord Tolkien wrote:

Wait what. Can you rephrase that.

On August 20 2015 11:15 geript wrote:
Really no one else is posting? This is some bs

On August 20 2015 11:28 WaveofShadow wrote:

I'm trying.
I really am.

On August 20 2015 11:50 WaveofShadow wrote:

No, if anything I should be posting walls of text.
Starting one now.