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The only thing that gives me pause is that town got a whole pile of cops, two watchers, a jailer and a roleblocker, as well as all the random other skills y'all got. So, maybe? But ... Eh ... It seems mad unlikely to me. Anyone who is better at game balancing care to weigh in? | ||
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Doesn't town TT use the power 100% as well? If he knows he's town and he *thinks* the other wagon is mafia, it is always the right play to fix the votes. Hell, even if he doesn't think ritoky is mafia, it's still the correct play, mechanically, from a town perspective. | ||
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Damdred has already claimed that town only have one mislynch left, because "reasons" (ie town lose when we get to 1-1-1 left). In those circumstances, tomorrow town are picking from three potential suspects each (ie each town sees three other town, plus Damdred). If we lynch Damdred, we go to lylo, so each town only has two other suspects to choose from. Statistically, those are better odds. Obviously that only makes sense in light of Damdred effectively claiming that, if we don't lynch him, tomorrow is lylo anyway. If we did have a shot at two lynches, I would never suggest this. | ||
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On September 02 2015 07:17 Damdred wrote: So if we have two mafia 3 v 2 v 1 Nk Game is over just because One mafia 4 v 1 v 1 Nk 3 v 1 v 1 Ml Game over because reasons This is the quote I'm talking about above, btw. | ||
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I just think that the truth of that statement is entirely contingent on whether or not TT is mafia. If he's town, his move was pro-town. If he's mafia, his move was pro-mafia. I guess the real question is whether or not he should have used it earlier (maybe D2 on the rayn lynch)? It wasn't necessary then, I guess. | ||
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On September 02 2015 23:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote: What's the point of lynching a confirmed 3p? Seems like a waste of a lynch. No, it's not. Damdred claimed after the ritoky ML that town would lose if it got to LYLO with him in it. After tonight we'll be at 3 town, 1 3P and 1 mafia. So effectively, tomorrow is LYLO for us. Each townie has to try and figure out which of the other 3 townies is mafia. Damdred has to choose between 4 townies. The odds of a ML are high. If we lynch Damdred, we go to true LYLO with 2 town 1 mafia. It should be a lot easier for town to figure it out. It also eradicates the possibility that Damdred might have a win con that is zero sum with town. This only makes sense now that Damdred has claimed the game ends at LYLO with him in it, and if there is only one mafia. But Damdred has already said that if there's two mafia, town lose after tonight ANYWAY, so we can rule that out. That's my reasoning, anyway. | ||
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On September 03 2015 01:01 JudgeJudy wrote: ![[image loading]](http://replygif.net/i/717.gif) At the same time, we would also lose the game if mafia has been withholding a nuke or something. Rather than 2 town and 1 mafia, it could be 1 town and 1 mafia and game over. I think we need to try to take out the mafia tomorrow instead. The only reason to lynch damdred would be if he is some type of non-survivor third party role like a serial killer, arsonist, or serial poisoner. If he is indeed one of those roles, I think that means the mafia likely only has 4 players and were wiped out with the chezinu kill. I haven't put a lot of thought into this scenario to see if it adds up, but my gut tells me not to lynch damdred. I hadn't considered the possibility of further nukes. That does change things around a fair bit. But I do want to know why Damdred has changed his tune on whether or not we should go to LYLO. "Reasons" is not enough of an answer. | ||
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On September 03 2015 02:12 Damdred wrote: Like I really don't want to be a bitch here especially when I've been town siding but wasteing a day of lynch with killing me over someone you think is really likely to be mafia is stupid. And you are scared of basically lylo with me in it....but not scared of lylo of me not being in it. That's so stupid Damdred, I'm not being a 'bitch'. I was floating the idea that killing you meant that we went to lylo with fewer options than we will have tomorrow. It would also mean that we could avoid turning the game into a coin flip of which way you'd vote. Honestly, town trusting you would be pretty naive at this point. Don't pretend to be butthurt, because it isn't convincing. You'd be saying the exact same thing in our position. The only argument to not lynch you is that Mafia might have nukes or an vig shot or something (or another vote rig ...). I think that's probably enough. But, again, don't pretend like you have town's best interests at heart because we know you're 3P, not town. Whining doesn't become you. | ||
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Anyway, whatever, let's move past it. But if/when Damdred screws town at lylo, no crying to me please. | ||
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On September 03 2015 03:07 Damdred wrote: Yeah your just bad. I'm not an option to lynch at lylo. If I was an SK you would see more than one death a night. If I was a poisoner you would see more than 1 person die a night If I was a cult leader the game would be over at this point and you yourself know if this is true or not fid. Iys just the truth you lose the game as town lynching me its just the way it is. ? If we lynch you tomorrow then we go to 2-1 Lylo. How is that that much worse than mislynching and going to 1-1-1 lylo, where you could basically throw the game whichever way you liked? | ||
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It's obviously not Damdred. If it is, a bunch of stuff has gone very wrong (the Rels check and my PM about 'House Brown', apart from anything else). I do want to hear from Damdred what that is all about though. It can't be geript, save some sort of super weird interaction I'm not aware of, since the night that ritoky RBed him (n4) I was also roleblocked, and there was a KP delivery. I don't think it's you. I've thought you were towny from the start, and I still think that. I don't think scum puts 4 hours work into a case on ritoky, and if they do, I think they make more mistakes than you did in yours. Yes it makes sense for scum to want to get ritoky lynched, but I was completely onboard with the lynch, and I'm town. I think ritoky did play very scummy all game. The thing that we should have paid more attention to, btw, was the whole Chez RB. That was the one thing that really didn't make sense from a rit mafia perspective, and I think it should have been enough for us to move our votes. Meh. It's done now. I really don't want to live in a world where it's TT, because that would mean mafia had all of the powers we're aware of, plus a roleblocking vote-rigger. Vote rigger is SUCH an OP ability for mafia, as it basically guarantees them a mislynch. But I do admit it could be TT. However, I think it's most likely to be OWS. I've said it the whole time, and when I've mentioned it he has just insulted me. The only thing that gives me pause is that he has been SO scummy (ie actively not caring about lynches like yesterdays) that I dunno whether a scum player tries this and gets away with it. So if I had to vig shot for the game right now, I shoot OWS. If it's TT, I blame Onegu. If it's geript, I blame Onegu. If it's you, I congratulate you. | ||
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