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On September 01 2015 06:01 JudgeJudy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2015 05:32 ritoky wrote:On September 01 2015 05:22 Damdred wrote:
Anyway I just want to hear why tt claims he doesn't have an active ability but visited people last night.
And who he visited and why ? ![[image loading]](https://33.media.tumblr.com/13e6ec744226221c842131e778aaa230/tumblr_n173vksCCO1rfd7lko1_500.gif) Show nested quote +On September 01 2015 05:19 ritoky wrote:@JJ you believe all of this? On August 31 2015 12:35 ritoky wrote:
Just so everyone is clear, this is what you have to believe to not see me as confirmed, but as mafia:
1) Mafia elected to frame 1 of their own players (me) on night 2 which just so happened to be the night that a confirmed cop checked me.
2) This is a game is a game in which 1 kp is delivered by 1 player and no more.
3) The mafia chose on night 1....NIGHT 1 to NOT use their unseeable player to carry KP. Specifically to the most widely town read person in the game.
4) I would use factional KP on an afk/uninterested player in yamato AND claim it; rather than using it on a vocal player who is against me.
If you believe all of that, then you can call me not confirmed town. That is literally the world you have to live in. If so, I don't really know what to say to you. You're living in the world of 1% rather than the world of 99%. The entire premise of what you're saying is that the game mechanically doesn't function the way in which most mafia games function and that a green check was framed on the night he happened to be investigated. If that is where you want your head to be I can't help you this game or you're not town. The confluence of events you're believing is so tinfoil. The "99%" is a number made up on the spot. Even if tube decided to frame someone at random, excluding himself and his shot, it's going to come out much higher that that. I've already explained where I think the pool of framer targets was by eliminating certain players and that the odds that you were selected is somewhere between 25%-50%. I admit that this means that the check is legit more often than not, but that is not the only factor my read is based on. The behavioral stuff suggests that you were mafia and relying on a blue role to determine your alignment was town didn't outweigh the other points. There is essentially a coin flip that says you were framed on night two and a coin flip that says you killed HTS on night one. They cancel themselves out in my mind so I'm sticking with the behavioral stuff. I don't doubt that tube carried out an untrackable kill on night one, but there were two kills. I'm saying there is a 50% chance he killed HTS and a 50% chance he killed wave. Like I said, I'm eliminating the blue stuff completely. On day one you pushed fidei all cycle long as part of your role, even though you didn't need to. On day two, you pushed FF via RNG admitted that rayn was probably mafia, yet your vote remained on FF and you didn't bring him up again. You say your upgrade worked in a way that you had to vote these players, but everyone else has a role that works differently and even if that role is real, there is no way that giving up your vote for the first two days is worth it. I'm obviously not going to be able to convince you that you're mafia. Either you aren't or you will deny it to the end. I'm mostly hoping to hear from others. Obi says he likes the case, but hasn't shared what he likes or dislikes. TT agrees as well but hasn't posted much this cycle. I have no idea where Fidei is at. The cycle is half over so we really need to hear from everyone at this point. :/
To me this is your read:
1) ritoky didn't do town shit the first two days -> I agree, I was roleplaying and rng voting for an upgrade and pretty much ignoring most of what was going on.
2) mechanics that don't make sense -> most games i have played and a past onegu game have allowed multiple kp to be delivered by a solitary player so you're believing this game is different from others.
3) how to get around a green check -> there were what? 17 people alive when I was investigated? So based on pure rng it was a 5.8% chance I was checked, let's assume it wasn't so random and double it. you're looking @ 11.6%. on top of that you're also assuming the mafia elected to use a frame defensively rather than offensively and on me which probably cuts that number in half again back to around 5.8%.
4) knowing upgrade -> yup, it's weird that i knew mine from minute 1. i can't explain it
5) since day 2 has ended ritoky has done nothing but be town in every way possible including being green checked, shooting a 3p lurker and outting to dunk a mafia, but give him 0 credit and only focus on first 2 days.
To me, that is a flimsy read. It relies entirely on speculative mechanics that historically don't hold up and really just seems to be trying to make an excuse to get around a green check.
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@JJ who are your bombs on?
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On September 01 2015 06:46 JudgeJudy wrote:![[image loading]](http://38.media.tumblr.com/030904850ffcdaf531ef267edcb674ae/tumblr_npqrqcZHhN1s0afzho1_r1_400.gif) Show nested quote +On September 01 2015 06:12 ritoky wrote:
2) mechanics that don't make sense -> most games i have played and a past onegu game have allowed multiple kp to be delivered by a solitary player so you're believing this game is different from others. But that's not true. I checked. In Ippo, Holyflare was the godfather who happened to be untrackable, but three different players from the mafia team had to carry out the kp to three different individuals. Sure, HF could shoot a single player for "12KP", but that's only because Ippo had a HP based system that doesn't translate to this game. What other onegu game are you referring to? Show nested quote +On September 01 2015 06:12 ritoky wrote:
5) since day 2 has ended ritoky has done nothing but be town in every way possible including being green checked, shooting a 3p lurker and outting to dunk a mafia, but give him 0 credit and only focus on first 2 days. Well like I said, LT and chezinu had red checks on them. If you get credit for those lynches, then everyone does (except geript). I liked the yamato shot. I'll give you that. But again, I don't see it out of the question for a mafia player to shoot a non-mafia yamato. Forgive me for not informing the player who I think is mafia the answer to that 
I also checked, in ippo HF delivered 2 kp on the final night and most nights of the game.
I am sitting here asking about your bombs because you have potential auto if you have a bomb on OWS and me. I have a PoE of you, OWS, and TT. Lynching you would kill 2 of the 3 people in my PoE and both of the ones in yours. If the game doesn't end then town lynches TT and wins.
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Unless you consider HFs RNG punch in that game not to be KP when all other damage was considered KP.
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btw @geript after seeing that obi's power did what he said it would, thoughts on his alignment now?
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@TT if geript is mafia, then there are two mafia alive since I roleblocked him last night and kp still occurred (also fid claimed rb so my rb wasn't magically rb'd). In the very unlikely scenario where geript is mafia, who's his most likely partner?
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On September 01 2015 09:01 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2015 22:41 JudgeJudy wrote:On August 31 2015 13:42 geript wrote:
Either way, if I lose my power, it's kinda moot. I guess there's a theoretical possibility that someone visited OWS before but idk who that'd be. His role does sound kinda mafia oriented considering the setup but eh. I still want JJ and TT to full claim if they haven't already. I don't really remember what if anything they've claimed. ![[image loading]](http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h177/DeppCollector/2010%20Alice%20in%20Wonderland/hatter%20gif-104_zpsnuccoidb.gif) I'm a Mad Hatter. Not sure if TT has revealed more than that pic about his role. Really disappointed that I don't have something that I could put to better use, but it is what it is. Claiming whether I still have my bomb or where it currently may be doesn't have much benefit, so I'll leave it at that. Now on to the ritoky stuff...
Why would you claim this?
Like it was pretty unlikely that you were going to be lynched, and now it's pretty unlikely that your going to be NK'd. Seems like claiming nullifies any potential benefit of your role whole also providing a good excuse to survive.
Maybe I'm just not familiar with how MH's work. Is it possible to lose your bomb if your current target dies?[/QUOTE]
If he's town, then it's w/e it's just his role although he is being dumb not claiming his bombs imo.
If he's mafia it's a lynch deterrent claim or "don't lynch me bro" claim.
And there's 2 versions of MH I am aware of. 1 gets a fixed # of bombs to start the game and distributes them 1 per night. If MH dies all explode, if person w/ bomb on them dies bomb is lost. The other version is MH has 1 bomb, they move it around every night and it doesn't disappear if target is lynched or NK'd.
He hasn't attempted to clarify anything thus far and neither have you, when literally everyone else has claimed every aspect of their role. Which kind makes me wanna lynch into the two of you more.
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Show nested quote +On September 01 2015 09:08 ritoky wrote:On September 01 2015 09:01 Tictock wrote:On August 31 2015 22:41 JudgeJudy wrote:On August 31 2015 13:42 geript wrote:
Either way, if I lose my power, it's kinda moot. I guess there's a theoretical possibility that someone visited OWS before but idk who that'd be. His role does sound kinda mafia oriented considering the setup but eh. I still want JJ and TT to full claim if they haven't already. I don't really remember what if anything they've claimed. I'm a Mad Hatter. Not sure if TT has revealed more than that pic about his role. Really disappointed that I don't have something that I could put to better use, but it is what it is. Claiming whether I still have my bomb or where it currently may be doesn't have much benefit, so I'll leave it at that. Now on to the ritoky stuff... Why would you claim this? Like it was pretty unlikely that you were going to be lynched, and now it's pretty unlikely that your going to be NK'd. Seems like claiming nullifies any potential benefit of your role whole also providing a good excuse to survive. Maybe I'm just not familiar with how MH's work. Is it possible to lose your bomb if your current target dies? If he's town, then it's w/e it's just his role although he is being dumb not claiming his bombs imo. If he's mafia it's a lynch deterrent claim or "don't lynch me bro" claim. And there's 2 versions of MH I am aware of. 1 gets a fixed # of bombs to start the game and distributes them 1 per night. If MH dies all explode, if person w/ bomb on them dies bomb is lost. The other version is MH has 1 bomb, they move it around every night and it doesn't disappear if target is lynched or NK'd. He hasn't attempted to clarify anything thus far and neither have you, when literally everyone else has claimed every aspect of their role. Which kind makes me wanna lynch into the two of you more.
fixed the formatting.
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i am kinda in the omgus tank atm wanting to lynch judge. one of the core pieces of his reasoning for me to be scum (and fids) has been flat falsified and he doesn't budge an inch and many others are plain weak and wrong. i hit my saturation point on being called mafia and have begun to give 0 fucks. i am town, confirmed town actually, green checked and all. honestly go fuck yourself if you think otherwise i don't value your opinion and i can't be bothered to try and carry you anymore if you're town. if you're mafia congratulations, you screamed at me long enough to get me to stop caring. i just don't have the time or the willpower to try to correct people who fly in the face of logic anymore.
poe list is OWS, TT, JJ. don't care the order one bit pick one and i will vote on it.
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here's my last bit of shit until i come back to vote:
JJ - wrong, pushing wrong for bad and falsified reasons, voted at 59 on rayn wagon but found gif in time; is wrong, what is end game when i flip town if mafia? not trying to get read on anyone else, claimed MH aka don't lynch me bro role
OWS - poe from rayn wagon, vanillizing not alignment indicative role would lean toward it being mafia sided but meh, play is more town than others
TT - stone nothing, literal 0 memory of his play since rayn lynch, suddenly now under pressure = more active, claims no active ability role when almost eveyone has had, will not talk about role even though everyone claimed and has not justified it, PoE cuz fid prob town, damd 3p, ger town, me town.
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On September 01 2015 14:24 JudgeJudy wrote:![[image loading]](http://25.media.tumblr.com/343126747ef6c13ae651676d368ef873/tumblr_mgowinf2wI1qlcs90o1_250.gif) Show nested quote +On August 31 2015 10:54 ritoky wrote:
honestly, after reading his filter and looking at his voting....it will be very hard for me to lynch judge...i would put judge behind geript in my town list which is like
ritoky
geript
judge
fid
the swap to rayn after tube had already moved....so compelling....ugh. maybe i will just RB judge tonight to resolve his alignment cuz i don't see a compelling reason to lynch him...
which leaves me @ OWS and TT....or the good ole lynch the survivor, try to block a kp, and see who they kill sending us potentially to lylo if 2 strat....but fuck that strat. Show nested quote +On September 01 2015 14:05 ritoky wrote:
here's my last bit of shit until i come back to vote:
JJ - wrong, pushing wrong for bad and falsified reasons, voted at 59 on rayn wagon but found gif in time; is wrong, what is end game when i flip town if mafia? not trying to get read on anyone else, claimed MH aka don't lynch me bro role How did you go from this to this? Is it just the case on you? The gif thing is meaningless. I don't see why that matters. I showed up to vote rayn when it was 5 to 5 and was going to come down to a tiebreaker, seconds after tube just showed up to try to hammer rels. I remained on rayn when Rels unvoted to ensure rayn stayed lynched. As for the hatter, it shouldn't deter you at all. If you think I'm mafia then you lynch me. If you think I'm town then you don't lynch me. Being a MH shouldn't impact your decision at all. I am trying to read other people. I've read through obi's filter like five times by now. That's painful to do -_- I'm honestly putting effort into trying to figure out this game. I spent four hours on the case against you. I'm sorry if I'm wrong, but after seeing kel flip green and then have the nerve to call us all retarded, it made me really angry. Am I positive that you're mafia? Not really....but at least nobody can say I didn't try. obi totally ditching me kinda strikes a nerve. He was talking about he was looking through filters, yet comes up with nothing. He leaves himself open for both the ritoky lynch and TT lynch. Assuming one mafia remaining, right now I'd put you at 65% mafia, obi 25%, TT and damdred 5% each and, geript and fidei less than 1%.
I typed a response to this, but it ended up in me just yelling at you more because you imply that I am not trying my literal ass off to solve the game when you have supposedly read my filter and it is clear. I moved my stance on you because you made a case on me, the case was falsified in many regards one of which almost certainly confirms me as green; yet you maintain it and do nothing to determine anyone else's alignment regardless of you saying you are.
I don't want to imply that you are not trying or insult you in any way, but quite frankly you are looking at a tree and missing a forest as far as I am concerned. You simply cannot grasp the fact that the world in which you are choosing to believe is so utterly unlikely that it is pointless to believe. Yes I have the nerve to call into question your and fid's capabilities as town if you are also town, I won't say more than that because it probably won't be as nice as the rest of this.
I am green checked, I am confirmed town, I am the town roleblocker, I am the carry this game needs. Once you have accepted these things perhaps then I will start giving fucks again.
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we lynching tt? cool he is on the list.
honestly don't care and haven't read anything since my last post. just gonna try to lynch mafia and block kp in the night since i am confirmed town.
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oh, it's still not decided. it's pretty simple everyone. i am green checked. the only real claim against my green check is that i was framed which is plain unlikely, mostly because framing defensively as mafia is pretty meh in general. there's some other stupid shit about me being the only person to visit hts, but it was disproven cuz multiple kp can be carried by an individual aka the untrackable dude.
the simple reality of this game is that mafia have to ml me today or they are going to lose. they cannot nk me because there are not enough mls in the game outside of me being in the list for them to win. they also must ml me asap because as the #s dwindle i get a better shot at blocking their kp, confirming my alignment, and finding mafia 100% and probably ending the game. it really is as simple as that.
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On September 02 2015 06:04 JudgeJudy wrote:![[image loading]](http://i39.tinypic.com/2nhkoep.jpg) Show nested quote +On September 02 2015 05:59 ritoky wrote:
oh, it's still not decided. it's pretty simple everyone. i am green checked. the only real claim against my green check is that i was framed which is plain unlikely, mostly because framing defensively as mafia is pretty meh in general. there's some other stupid shit about me being the only person to visit hts, but it was disproven cuz multiple kp can be carried by an individual aka the untrackable dude.
the simple reality of this game is that mafia have to ml me today or they are going to lose. they cannot nk me because there are not enough mls in the game outside of me being in the list for them to win. they also must ml me asap because as the #s dwindle i get a better shot at blocking their kp, confirming my alignment, and finding mafia 100% and probably ending the game. it really is as simple as that. Why did you RB damdred on n3 and geript on n4, rather than a mafia read?
n3 cult paranoia
n4 geript cuz bunch of green checks got rescinded and i wanted to conf him as town
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On September 02 2015 06:53 geript wrote:
Here's the low down. People should've claimed there roles like D3 when I asked for them. Definitely on D4. Because that type of shit tends to solve games pretty quickly surprisingly.
yup, probably shoulda threatened lynch on all non-claimers in hindsight. oh well.
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if i die, town...you're bad and should feel bad.
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On September 02 2015 06:59 ritoky wrote:
if i die, town...you're bad and should feel bad.
the above
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Hey look, I won! :D My role pm was funny too. I laughed.
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My personal thoughts on the game:
1) Fidei had black and white vision when the game is grey and that pretty much cost town a large portion of the game since he didn't understand the mechanics of the situation.
2) TT not claiming his role with over 1hr until EoD was a bad call.
3) I am fine with the way the game ended, even though there were multiple potential outcomes on the final day. There is something to be said about the lack of knowledge town had about random wincons though.
4) I think the game, while it played out well ended up kinda imbalanced. 2 MLs and 3 correct lynches -> mylo seems quite punishing for town from an objective pov. But not really imbalanced enough to throw a stink about, it was a funsies game with all roles, it was bound to be unfavorable to 1 alignment.
5) I kinda agree with geript's last point. If the intention was to make the survivor unclaimable, it was either not stated or not enforced as it was claimed repeatedly.
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