EPTTL Mafia Ban List 3.0 - Page 62
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Snickers
United States1575 Posts
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Snickers
United States1575 Posts
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
On July 19 2016 06:00 Snickers wrote: Please make tl mafia look even more ridiculous from the outside You did that yourself ruining a game for zero reason... You have been here long enough to know the hosts have the power to do what they want. The skynx post wasnt toxic. And I dont play games anymore so people dont have to deal with me. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
Scum team was in excellent shape and would of won, onegu made a decision. His op was mistaken I'm fine with that decision. I'm not fine with getting one of my hobbies ruined when I was winning which admittedly is a bit me centric but whatever. If you want to have a hosting talk make another thread snickers I really don't think it validates the way you reacted in any sense anyway. | ||
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Snickers
United States1575 Posts
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Damdred
15669 Posts
See what bh says go from there. | ||
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Snickers
United States1575 Posts
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
On July 19 2016 06:04 Snickers wrote: Its not I am ending it now. Hopefully you all see how ridiculous this was. Probably not able tho.  | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
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Damdred
15669 Posts
Bh will yell at us all. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On July 19 2016 05:30 Snickers wrote: See the problem with this is people love having opinions on shit that doesnt exist or trying to argue something where they dont know the facts. Onegu tried to argue with me by using the op to back himself up. He supported the op. But no everyone continue to lie,twist shit,babble on shit they dont understand. And yes I understand the hosts can make their own decisions. But something people from tl mafia dont understand is a I can "ruin" a game too. I am perfectly aware of what I am arguing. If you actually bothered to read, I nowhere commented that your interpretation on Onegu's rules as written is wrong. The point is, he is the host, and can thus override his own rules, if he wishes to do so. I am not saying that's a good thing, but him doing that is within his power as the host of the game. And even if you strongly disagree with what he did, that is not a licence for you to be an asshole about it, or to ruin a game, just because you personally feel slighted or wronged. You even recognized the collateral damage you ruining the game had, when you apologized to the majority of players, but claimed to have your reasons. Prioritizing your own agenda, however just it may be, over the enjoyment of others, is an act of selfishness that is completely unnecessary and destructive. What should have happened, and Onegu didn't handle the situation ideally, as soon as you pointed out to him what seems to be a mistake on his behalf in the OP, he should have made a quick, clean, statement in the thread, explaining the mistake and correcting it so there would be no ambiguity going forward. Hopefully Onegu will treat private complaints with respect and be more careful with the wording of his OP in the future. Your last sentence really sums up the problem. We all know every single player has the potential to ruin a game. The problem is, if every player reserves the right to ruin games where there are moderation decisions they don't agree with, we would complete very few games. And you may think it's fair and just that you can ruin a game if you feel wronged, but what happens if someone who has entirely different set of morals and values to you, or has a different understanding of rule ambiguity (remember the "swear on my life" argument?), decides that if the game isn't run to his liking, he ruins it? | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On July 19 2016 06:27 Palmar wrote: What should have happened, and Onegu didn't handle the situation ideally, as soon as you pointed out to him what seems to be a mistake on his behalf in the OP, he should have made a quick, clean, statement in the thread, explaining the mistake and correcting it so there would be no ambiguity going forward. Hopefully Onegu will treat private complaints with respect and be more careful with the wording of his OP in the future. Onegu/Snickers correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the situation is that Snickers never privately complained to Onegu. He made two psots in the scum QT that Onegu didn't see. | ||
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
On July 19 2016 06:56 Rels wrote: Onegu/Snickers correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the situation is that Snickers never privately complained to Onegu. He made two psots in the scum QT that Onegu didn't see. Yes the only thing he PM'd me to complain about was the skynx post. I did not see the 2 post in the QT. | ||
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
On July 19 2016 06:27 Palmar wrote: I am perfectly aware of what I am arguing. If you actually bothered to read, I nowhere commented that your interpretation on Onegu's rules as written is wrong. The point is, he is the host, and can thus override his own rules, if he wishes to do so. I am not saying that's a good thing, but him doing that is within his power as the host of the game. And even if you strongly disagree with what he did, that is not a licence for you to be an asshole about it, or to ruin a game, just because you personally feel slighted or wronged. You even recognized the collateral damage you ruining the game had, when you apologized to the majority of players, but claimed to have your reasons. Prioritizing your own agenda, however just it may be, over the enjoyment of others, is an act of selfishness that is completely unnecessary and destructive. What should have happened, and Onegu didn't handle the situation ideally, as soon as you pointed out to him what seems to be a mistake on his behalf in the OP, he should have made a quick, clean, statement in the thread, explaining the mistake and correcting it so there would be no ambiguity going forward. Hopefully Onegu will treat private complaints with respect and be more careful with the wording of his OP in the future. Your last sentence really sums up the problem. We all know every single player has the potential to ruin a game. The problem is, if every player reserves the right to ruin games where there are moderation decisions they don't agree with, we would complete very few games. And you may think it's fair and just that you can ruin a game if you feel wronged, but what happens if someone who has entirely different set of morals and values to you, or has a different understanding of rule ambiguity (remember the "swear on my life" argument?), decides that if the game isn't run to his liking, he ruins it? No he didnt point out the OP thing to me until after he posted the QT... And the one thing he did PM me about, I looked at told him I would have my Co Hosts look at it also and that I didnt think it was a out of the line post that needed to be modkilled for. The co host that looked at it agreed. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
On July 18 2016 10:48 Onegu wrote: Onegu game bans 2 game for Lightningstrike for getting himself modkilled he has a warning currently so thats why 2 game Perm-ban for Snickers. Snickers was dead. He had obs qt then went back into the game 24 hours after he was killed and posted the scum QT. The 2 game ban for Lightningstrike is approved. By all appearances it seems that snickers chose to ruin a game for a bunch of other people. This choice was deliberate, and looking and what he has said here in the ban list thread, he doesn't believe he has done the wrong thing. Regardless of the particular communication between him and Onegu, he still made a decision that he wanted to deliberately ruin a game for a bunch of other people that he was no longer in. Please, please don't do this. Please don't do this. Come on, guys. I am reluctant in general to hand out semi-permanent bans, and normally people seem to recognize they made a mistake or a mad decision in a moment. However, I am going to give snickers a semi-permanent ban, based on the decision he made and the things said about it here in this thread. However, should snickers decide he wants to sit out games and rejoin TL Mafia, I'm going to have a chat with him and hopefully we can work things out. I'll ask anyone who's having an argument with snickers (and this means you, Onegu) to lay off him so that we can prevent this thread from being too contentious. snickers, reach out to me if you ever want to come back. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
On July 19 2016 07:27 Holyflare wrote: Come back plz come back. We have to be better than rape videos right? | ||
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