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Vivax
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On August 13 2015 20:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like can you explain this prplhz: Here is what i see when i read your filter: First you say you need something to sheep (which is basically what you say all D1 long). Okay fine. Then you argue against lynching Hopeless because there is no case which is literally incorrect because i actually made a case on him. Instead of addressing the case directly you get into an argument with me over something that is totally irrelevant to finding mafia. Then you call out VE (i guess you are suspicious of him then, because why would you do that otherwise?). That's also fine. Then you go into an argument with Artanis about deconduo, and during the argument - when i read it now - it seems like you are defending deconduo (by attacking Artanis' argument). That's also fine. What is NOT FINE is that your vote ends up on Deconduo given that you have: - said you just don't wanna lurker lynch (hopeless) but apparently lurkerlynching deconduo is okay for you ?!?!? - never ever commented on my ACTUAL CASE on Hopeless, and the fact that there was no case on deconduo - VE, who you are suspicious of, is basically the first person to push deconduo, and you just don't care about this at all? - You defend "deconduo" against Artanis. Hell Artanis even tells you VE is the first one to push deconduo, you still don't care. - After all this you just park your vote on deconduo.... Like how in your opinion does ANY of this make ANY sense at all? i never had a great problem with lynching deconduo. to me he played like every other player who used to play but then didn't play for a long while but now they're back to play again, like every other player like that plays. i thought it was what i expected of him so i gave him a very slight town read. this very slight town read had absolutely nothing to do with my arguments with artanis. artanis made a case on decon based on a spreadsheet that i was very impressed with. the spreadsheet, not the argument. in my opinion the case was super flawed and didn't tell us anything. so i engaged with artanis on it because the thread was dead, i had no leads, nothing was happening, some guy made an argument i disagreed with, lets see what happens? after the case i decided to revoke my slight town read on decon. back to null with him. why? because he hadn't done anything. it's like he showed up, did what was expected, left again. back to null. rso looked town though and so did artanis and his spreadsheet so i decided that i'd just sheep them. i can sort of see why artanis made his argument (that i still disagree with), i liked his spreadsheet, rso looked townie enough compared to other people, i decided that these were the people i was gonna sheep. i don't know why it's relevant VE voted decon? i also already knew this when i started talking to artanis (i pointed it out in an earlier post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24726076). | ||
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Vivax
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I'm trying to rearrange reads and a hopeless flip would help immensely, he is indeed very passive compared to his townie standard. I can say that more confidently now that enough time has passed. I think after him I'd look more closely into Artanis and VE. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On August 13 2015 20:30 Vivax wrote: I'm not letting Artanis off the hook after what he did yesterday when he tried to move me to Decon using my own posts as a tool. You're so cute. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On August 13 2015 20:33 prplhz wrote: i never had a great problem with lynching deconduo. to me he played like every other player who used to play but then didn't play for a long while but now they're back to play again, like every other player like that plays. i thought it was what i expected of him so i gave him a very slight town read. this very slight town read had absolutely nothing to do with my arguments with artanis. artanis made a case on decon based on a spreadsheet that i was very impressed with. the spreadsheet, not the argument. in my opinion the case was super flawed and didn't tell us anything. so i engaged with artanis on it because the thread was dead, i had no leads, nothing was happening, some guy made an argument i disagreed with, lets see what happens? after the case i decided to revoke my slight town read on decon. back to null with him. why? because he hadn't done anything. it's like he showed up, did what was expected, left again. back to null. rso looked town though and so did artanis and his spreadsheet so i decided that i'd just sheep them. i can sort of see why artanis made his argument (that i still disagree with), i liked his spreadsheet, rso looked townie enough compared to other people, i decided that these were the people i was gonna sheep. i don't know why it's relevant VE voted decon? i also already knew this when i started talking to artanis (i pointed it out in an earlier post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24726076). So you were very impressed by the spreadsheet, but you didn't actually take anything away from it and disagreed with the case. In retrospect, it was indeed wrong. What DID you learn from it though? | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On August 13 2015 20:38 Vivax wrote: I think prpl is town and I fully agree with the spreadsheet thingy. I didn't mention this yesterday but I found that case to be even too tinfoil for my taste. It was well designed and presented but there wasn't that much behind the marketing. In fact it just felt like marketing. I'm trying to rearrange reads and a hopeless flip would help immensely, he is indeed very passive compared to his townie standard. I can say that more confidently now that enough time has passed. I think after him I'd look more closely into Artanis and VE. What happened to your Damdred and Ruxxar reads? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On August 13 2015 20:30 Vivax wrote: I'm not letting Artanis off the hook after what he did yesterday when he tried to move me to Decon using my own posts as a tool. But Artanis is not mafia. There is a certain difference in his play when he is scum. The way he addresses & acts towards me is either super hostile (in terms of he will either call me scum or just trash my reads with no real logic) or super buddy. In this game it's neither as while he disagrees with me on some things his criticism comes around as constructive and not a single bit bullshtitty. Like he is actually trying to work with me instead of how he does it as scum. Also the fact that he lynched deconduo and what happened after that is townie. If Artanis is mafia here he should think that (1) when deconduo flips town rayn can call him scum, which is bad and (2) when deconduo flips town he basically has to give me the keys to wreck his scumteam because he can't just argue against me, it's a suicide. So like, unless BOTH of Hopeless and Chezinu are town there is absolutely no reason why Artanis does what he did as mafia. And i think it's 100% impossible that they are both town, and 95% impossible that EITHER of them is town. Because otherwise i am missing too many things and there is just not fucking enough people who can be mafia. So like, i am not sure about prplhz. But the more he posts the more accurate my read gets. I don't know, i guess there is a possibility that rsoultin or Trfel is mafia in case prplhz is not. The point is we need to murder Hopeless. And do it quick, because him flipping mafia makes Palmar confirmed town and it also makes Artanis confirmed town. Then you can narrow it down. Hopeless' affiliation is really a big key to this game atm, it solves many things. Then we can ask rsoultin and Trfel (and prplhz) about their ignorance on Hopeless over deconduo, because at least with rsoultin i ACTUALLY explained her why Hopeless is likely mafia and why deconduo's play was not alignment indicative. She still fucking ended up lynching deconduo. I don't know, i am terrible at reading her on D1 because i find a lot of stuff she does too inconclusive and just plain out wrong. She gets better wehn the game goes on though, unfortunately i am probably not gonna be here playing the game at that point. So just doc me. | ||
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Vivax
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On August 13 2015 20:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote: What happened to your Damdred and Ruxxar reads? Damdy wasn't a read, it was a Palmar sheep. Ruxxar is on ice while I evaluate what happened yesterday, he wasn't on the decon wagon. So now that you know that your assumption about decon not being voted as a basis for the scumread has been proven wrong, where has the mafia been yesterday? | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On August 13 2015 20:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: well in contrary to you i have a strong ideo of ~7 people who he thinks are either town or mafia. i have zero idea who you think is mafia, so it's kinda unfair to call him "afk" or even "null". Because he has ACTUAL reads. If he posts his reasoning or not does not matter. eh i'm sort of lost here. why do you think it matters that you think you have stronger opinions than i do? i don't really think it's unfair to call him afk, he's mostly been afk. i remember him saying exactly one thing, and that is that damdred is scum for how he entered the thread. and "null" is just my opinion, it has nothing to do with fairness. i don't read him as any alignment so he's null to me. i don't see why i should rely on my sense of righteousness to form reads. anyway, why do you think me not talking about palmar makes me scum? there's not really anything to talk about for town prpl. and as for scum prpl, well it's easy for him to just have whatever opinion on palmar since palmar isn't really around and didn't say a lot. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On August 13 2015 20:46 Vivax wrote: Damdy wasn't a read, it was a Palmar sheep. Ruxxar is on ice while I evaluate what happened yesterday, he wasn't on the decon wagon. So now that you know that your assumption about decon not being voted as a basis for the scumread has been proven wrong, where has the mafia been yesterday? I presume some hopped onto the Deconduo wagon. If it's Hopeless, mafia is likely within the pool Rayn has outlined. I still need to take a more detailed look at the vote count though. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On August 13 2015 20:48 prplhz wrote: eh i'm sort of lost here. why do you think it matters that you think you have stronger opinions than i do? i don't really think it's unfair to call him afk, he's mostly been afk. i remember him saying exactly one thing, and that is that damdred is scum for how he entered the thread. and "null" is just my opinion, it has nothing to do with fairness. i don't read him as any alignment so he's null to me. i don't see why i should rely on my sense of righteousness to form reads. anyway, why do you think me not talking about palmar makes me scum? there's not really anything to talk about for town prpl. and as for scum prpl, well it's easy for him to just have whatever opinion on palmar since palmar isn't really around and didn't say a lot. Because usually you and Palmar go on each other in every single game. Now you don't. There is something wrong with it. And i don't know what that is. Like this same thing happened with Damdred/Xatalos in the last game i played. Something wrong, i can't explain what, but something does not make sense. At least one of you have to be scum for it to make sense, and i think Palmar is town. | ||
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Vivax
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On August 13 2015 20:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I presume some hopped onto the Deconduo wagon. If it's Hopeless, mafia is likely within the pool Rayn has outlined. I still need to take a more detailed look at the vote count though. Look at rsoultin then (yes I know I'm looking everywhere). Rereading Ruxxar he actually mentioned the valid point of how she always included hopeless in the lynchables and then towards EoD she somehow removed him from the preferences saying she wants to lynch decon or prplz. She shrugged off Ruxxar pointing that out claiming he should read better. On August 13 2015 05:18 rsoultin wrote: can we lynch prp or condor plz? if i bat my eyelashes real pretty? i think i prefer prp just cause i know what his games look like, and condor's just objectively scummy to me, but really i'd be happy with either Previous posts don't make it clear to me why she doesn't want hopeless to be dead any more | ||
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Vivax
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On August 13 2015 06:38 rsoultin wrote: don't have a problem voting for hopeless? i just think the lack of reads thing is nai now :/ the games damdy was referring to, rayn: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?user=Hopeless1der http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/378069-acme-mini-mafia-inc?user=Hopeless1der and i'll readily admit that i didn't read the second lol >< i dunnae, this could be prp's town game actually, sad as that is heh i'd prefer a condor lynch but will lynch hopeless as a yolo? also@ruxx good to know you're not reading, dude -_- On August 13 2015 06:45 VisceraEyes wrote: OH TINA WHY DO YOU TEMPT ME EVIL TEMPTRESS?!?!?!?!? And this reaction by VE just leaves me wondering what's so tempting in that post. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On August 13 2015 20:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because usually you and Palmar go on each other in every single game. Now you don't. There is something wrong with it. And i don't know what that is. Like this same thing happened with Damdred/Xatalos in the last game i played. Something wrong, i can't explain what, but something does not make sense. At least one of you have to be scum for it to make sense, and i think Palmar is town. no we don't? where did you get that? we don't just go on each other from start every single game. why do you think that? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On August 13 2015 21:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am actually starting leaning towards rsoultin being mafia. you said that you were gonna write a big case on her d2 so it's about time you start leaning mafia on her. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On August 13 2015 20:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: So you were very impressed by the spreadsheet, but you didn't actually take anything away from it and disagreed with the case. In retrospect, it was indeed wrong. What DID you learn from it though? i'm really not trying to be cheeky here and i tried rewording my response a couple of time but every time it just boils down to this: i learned that you made a spreadsheet that seemed to be correct. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On August 13 2015 21:19 prplhz wrote: i'm really not trying to be cheeky here and i tried rewording my response a couple of time but every time it just boils down to this: i learned that you made a spreadsheet that seemed to be correct. Fuck you, now I want to call you town. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
rayn says "hope is scum because he has no reads. this is meta" i say "wait, did he actually have reads in down under? i don't remember -goes to check- okay yeah, hopeless is scum" damdy says "wait a second, hopeless had reads when he was scum? -cites games-" i go "well blah -_- that's nai then -unvotes-" how is this so difficult to understand? and what i mean by saying ruxx wasn't reading is i kept pushing for the hopeless lynch until damdy brought that information? so this "changing as soon as thread sentiment shifted" thing is bogus, like most of his statements are lol >< first off, hopeless hasn't flipped yet second off, if he is scum, you're telling me i bussed him exactly until he was the lynch, opposed the ruxx and damdy lynches who are both probably...almost definitely...town btw...and then parked my vote on condor with very little chance of actually saving hopeless -_- you guys just keep assuming i have a brain the size of a peanut i swear @.@ | ||
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Vivax
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