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On July 27 2015 03:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
FT, what did you think of Bf's list post? He was one of your top lynches but you haven't said anything about him yet.
I don't see a list post in boxer's filter. He also wasn't my top lynches. I just said I'd be down to lynch him. His last few posts have been redeeming though and he does have a vote down for scott. I don't really want to lynch him anymore.
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On July 27 2015 03:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 02:20 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 17:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:From a quick glance into the last game FirmTofu was town in (that he posted more than 2 times on D1) from the database: On May 03 2012 07:40 FirmTofu wrote:
Gummy, I think I know what you're doing. Let it be known to posterity that I think its a terrible strategy.
We aren't going to have a lynch today. I think both Claw and Gummy are town, and no one else has enough evidence on top of them for me to even consider lynching them.
Get over yourself Gummy. There is no way you can deduce everyone's alignment from a handful of Day 1 posts. Let's wait a day and see if we get some REAL information.
##vote: No Lynch On May 03 2012 08:02 FirmTofu wrote:On May 03 2012 07:57 Ange777 wrote:
I still don't understand. Voting no lynch will leave us in almost the same situation on day 2 as now, only difference is we will know one colour but are down one townie. I fear that this won't be sufficient to rule scum out on day 2 as well.
This. All I see with Gummy is a guy who thinks he is better than everyone else here and thinks he has the game figured out. He wants everyone to see how right he is, so he is pushing Claw with a single-minded focus with utter disregard for any legitimate strategy. I am not one who will vote with someone who allows his emotions to sway his decisions. As you can see with all his bolded posts, he is simply spewing rhetoric and nonsensical arguments to get people to listen to him at this point. As I mentioned earlier, we should adopt a strict policy of ignoring Gummy until he gets his emotions in check. FirmTofu why were you giving townreads on D1? It is a scumtell and doesn't help anyone finding mafia remember? I have played many games since then(not on this site) and I have since changed my view on this matter. When we give town reads, we are vocally informing mafia of most town-read people in the game. These helps them choose their targets and doesn't do an effective job of eliminating mafia candidates for town. It is far better as town, statistically speaking, to talk about mafia candidates because talking about who you think is scummy helps us figure out who to lynch without compromising our town reads. Most importantly, even if I fundamentally disagree with you on this view that townreads are bad town play, that doesn't make me mafia. I just disagree with you on how to play the game. Lynching someone for a disagreement is bad play. You should be lynching me for scummy behavior. I am voting for you because i do not believe you believe what you are saying. Like it's literally harder to find mafia amongst 10 people than it is to find mafia amongst 6 people. Arbitary numbers, but it is a fact. If someone is town and someone else does not get it, it helps them to come to the same (correct) conclusion, and therefore helps the whole town to find mafia. Giving out townreads helps you prove you are town. Because it shows your thought process and people can then evaluate if the thought process is legitmate and coming from the town or not. Simple fact. Many people do not have scumreads early on, because finding town is generally a fuckton easier than to find mafia. Alot of this game is about process of elimination. Here is the real kicker; If you believe in what you say aren't you voting for Palmar for "disagreeing with you on how to play the game", which, by your definition, is not scummy?
I voted for Palmar for multiple reasons. I didn't just vote him because he was giving town reads. I voted him because he wasn't asking people questions. Because he wasn't actively looking for town, he was just standing by the sidelines.
It was the fact that he was posting townreads without investigating or trying to prod people for more information that was the kicker to me. That's behavior, not simply a disagreement on how to play the game.
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On July 27 2015 03:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
so you do not even go through his reads to figure out if they are good or bad you just point out the act as scummy?
I will admit, I agree with some of his recent reads. However, when I was online, all of his posts were trash and he had no redeeming posts. See for yourself.
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On July 26 2015 03:29 Palmar wrote:
Clarity also complained about people not posting when his filter was probably less than 100 words or something super short. He has not given anything valuable yet.
I like this post because it points out hypocrisy. Also, clarity is a good lynch candidate and it shows that Palmar is wary of him.
On July 26 2015 03:42 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 03:37 GlowingBear wrote:On July 26 2015 02:32 GlowingBear wrote:On July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote:It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with. After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both. bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me. scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly On July 25 2015 07:28 scott31337 wrote:
Hmm, cuz I thought Kei's post was the scummiest so far. considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum? This post is SO bad. It's an overreaction AND a deflection. Reeks scum Palmar, address to this. This + him constantly being annoyed that people are wasting his posts + wanting to lynch me because he doesn't like me, then saying it's because I'm stupid, then admitting that being stupid doesn't make me Mafia but still willing to lynch me is very scummy to me. I just don't think it's as relevant as you do. But I haven't actually gone back and reread Kelsier so maybe I'll come away with a different perspective when and if I do. Like the conversation isn't all that difficult to follow. Yes it's a slight overreaction (scott probably didn't mean it in the way Kelsier took it) but meeehhhh.... maybe I'm wrong, who knows.
I like this post because it seems like a genuine stream of consciousness post, one that reflects both uncertainty and self-doubt. Just sounds townie to me.
It also is part of series of posts he had with glowingbear that actually led to some substantive discussion on Kelsier. I like people who are actively contributing and Palmar seems to finally be doing that.
Let's be clear. I'm not saying Palmar is town or even a townread for me. Just that his last few posts are redeeming and I am okay with not lynching him.
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On July 27 2015 03:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 03:46 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 03:29 Palmar wrote:
Clarity also complained about people not posting when his filter was probably less than 100 words or something super short. He has not given anything valuable yet. I like this post because it points out hypocrisy. Also, clarity is a good lynch candidate and it shows that Palmar is wary of him. On July 26 2015 03:42 Palmar wrote:On July 26 2015 03:37 GlowingBear wrote:On July 26 2015 02:32 GlowingBear wrote:On July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote:It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with. After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both. bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me. scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly On July 25 2015 07:28 scott31337 wrote:
Hmm, cuz I thought Kei's post was the scummiest so far. considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum? This post is SO bad. It's an overreaction AND a deflection. Reeks scum Palmar, address to this. This + him constantly being annoyed that people are wasting his posts + wanting to lynch me because he doesn't like me, then saying it's because I'm stupid, then admitting that being stupid doesn't make me Mafia but still willing to lynch me is very scummy to me. I just don't think it's as relevant as you do. But I haven't actually gone back and reread Kelsier so maybe I'll come away with a different perspective when and if I do. Like the conversation isn't all that difficult to follow. Yes it's a slight overreaction (scott probably didn't mean it in the way Kelsier took it) but meeehhhh.... maybe I'm wrong, who knows. I like this post because it seems like a genuine stream of consciousness post, one that reflects both uncertainty and self-doubt. Just sounds townie to me. It also is part of series of posts he had with glowingbear that actually led to some substantive discussion on Kelsier. I like people who are actively contributing and Palmar seems to finally be doing that. Let's be clear. I'm not saying Palmar is town or even a townread for me. Just that his last few posts are redeeming and I am okay with not lynching him. Why is clarity a good lynch candidate? This is the first time you've mentioned him thus far.
Low posting, hypocrisy, and just all around bad play. He has a lot of low-quality posts and has been completely useless thus far.
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On July 27 2015 03:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i think GB's point 2 is okay. I also don't understand how Kelsier is still saying Cava misrepped him. Because he answered "that's how he read it to mean". So in his world Cava should be either lying (which should make him mafia) or KElsier's suspicion should not exist. He somehow takes the middle road, and idk why.
On FT, i don't really know if i believe he actually ever thought Palmar was mafia, mainly because when you think someone is mafia you read their posts closely. FT is clearly not doing that, because if he was, he would see that:
1) Palmar's top scumread has been scott all game.
2) none of Palmar's reads have ever notably changed, while FT kinda claims they have when he says his "latest" reads. Why would you use a word "latest", when latest is the same than "before"?
3) Palmar has scott as his top scumread, yet Palmar's vote is on me. If FT thinks Palmar is mafia, given his reasoning for like everything he has said in the game, i think that in his mindset he SHOULD call Palmar out for this contradiction. yet he doesn't.
Also still waiting on Scott to answer me.
To your first point, I didn't think scott was scummy then. I think he's scummy now. So I agree with his read on scott not and I was null on it back then.
To your second point, Palmar's latest reads are not changed reads on old people. They are new reads on new people. Palmar didn't comment on Clarity before I accused him of mafia. He has now. This is new information.
To your third point, you are assuming I still think Palmar is mafia. I don't anymore and what Palmar did isn't even necessarily a contradiction. His vote in that circumstance looks more like pressure than an actual vote to lynch you.
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I'm going to look into Glowing's points on Kelsier and see if that's a lynch I can get behind.
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On July 27 2015 04:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 03:46 FirmTofu wrote:
Let's be clear. I'm not saying Palmar is town or even a townread for me. Just that his last few posts are redeeming and I am okay with not lynching him. Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 04:05 FirmTofu wrote:
To your third point, you are assuming I still think Palmar is mafia. I don't anymore and what Palmar did isn't even necessarily a contradiction. His vote in that circumstance looks more like pressure than an actual vote to lynch you. Okay vote stands.
I don't think you understand what a null read is. Or you're mafia. I can't tell.
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On July 27 2015 04:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There are things that make people town or mafia.
Palmar did things that make him mafia to FT. Then he did some other things.
Those other things should either make him a townread, not null (like idk, he seems to be saying here, unless he is saying Palmar is still scummy).
Based on what FT said about Palmar earlier i don't believe he actually thinks Palmar did townie things (since he was pretty much just clarifying his reads and/or saying new stuff which changed nothing), or if he does, it should make him think Palmar is town, because he is now doing things against FT's original case.
I am bad at explaining shit, he is mafia.
Palmar played like mafia for the first half of the day, now he's playing like town, so he's a null read. The fact that he is playing more like a townie now does not vindicate him for his bad play earlier in the game. I'm not sure why this is so hard for him to understand.
On GB's case. His first point seems like GB is just ranting on Kelsier's personality. I don't think point 1 proves anything.
I really like point 2. This is actually why I think hopeless is town. When hopeless said something to the effect of "you're scum because you called me scum" to scott, he was behaving like a townie. He's shocked that anyone could call him scum so he immediately pounces on scott for accusing him.
Kelsier is doing the opposite. My scum sirens are blaring already.
On point 3, I think this just makes GB look super town. It's basically a "hopeless" post. Kelsier is scum because he he thinks I'm scum. It says more about GB than it does Kelsier.
On point 4, I think he's just getting really emotional at this point and really wants Kel dead. Makes me think GB is town but doesn't tell me much about Kel.
Overall, point two is powerful. I like it. I'll lynch kel.
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Looks like the Clarity train is catching. I am down for this as well. Let's see where this takes us.
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Glowing, what do you think of clarity. I agree that Kelsier looks terrible, but doesn't clarity look awful as well?
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Calling this game now. Mafia team is Clarity, scott, and Kelsier. It's just so perfect.
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I don't mind dying as long as you guys lynch/vig clarity/kelsier/scott tomorrow. I actually think this game is pretty much figured out except maybe rayn being maifa.
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On July 27 2015 04:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 04:43 FirmTofu wrote:
Calling this game now. Mafia team is me, rsoultin, and Palmar. It's just so perfect.
So let me get this straight. You think that I bussed Palmar right off the bat and then planned to back off later. Why the fuck would I do that as scum? Can't tell if you're serious or just mafia.
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On July 27 2015 04:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 04:56 FirmTofu wrote:On July 27 2015 04:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 27 2015 04:43 FirmTofu wrote:
Calling this game now. Mafia team is me, rsoultin, and Palmar. It's just so perfect. So let me get this straight. You think that I bussed Palmar right off the bat and then planned to back off later. Why the fuck would I do that as scum? Can't tell if you're serious or just mafia. yeah like you bussed Corazon in Titanic.
I didn't do that on day 1, it was way later. Your analogy doesn't hold up.
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On July 27 2015 05:00 GlowingBear wrote:
Rayn we have so much information to deal with tofu tomorrow. Scott and clarity are way better lynches
Exactly this. Lynch someone who isn't contributing. Who isn't engaging. Even if you think I'm mafia, wouldn't it be better to just wait? You know I'm going to talk more than useless and scummy people like Clarity and scott. Maybe you'll get something out of me?
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On July 27 2015 05:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 05:10 rsoultin wrote:On July 27 2015 05:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 27 2015 05:00 rsoultin wrote:On July 27 2015 04:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Me being whatever (i am actually good) at reading her is not a reason to doubt my read on Palmar.
Those two things are unrelated. She is using an argument that has nothing to do with what i say about Palmar to discredit me. if you're town you will listen to me if you are not town you may succeed in mislynching me again which would be fucking infuriating, but everyone else will take note yes, you are or at least keep insisting that you are actually good at reading me...i actually have seen no evidence of this apart from titanic since you rolled scum in all 3 of the last 3 games we played together but if you're this fucking wrong on me who you're supposed to actually have an inkling of how to read, and i think that palmar is objectively much harder to read than i could ever be, then clearly your reads can't be trusted ARE YOU OR ARE YOU NOT SCUMREADING US BECAUSE WE WANT TO LYNCH CLARITY OVER TOFU?! because if you are you're being fucking idiotic I am scumreading you because you aren't doing shit and saying dumb things and/or using dumb narratives to discredit my thoughts. I am being, like i have been, honest here, i lynched you in the other game because you were scummy. You were. Obviously you were town, but you weren't doing shit. Obviously that was because you were playing two games at once and didn't have time but it does not change the fact you didn't do shit. You are not doing shit here. I don't find any intelligent comments from you. I just fucking don't. Palmar goes to same pile. I actually hold you two in the highest regards in the players in this game. I cannot understand why netiher of you cannot fucking see why what FirmTofu is doing is scummy as fuck and i cannot understand how you can possibly think Clarity is a better lynch than FT just because he is inactive. Like feel free to go ahead and lynch Clarity, i am telling you he will flip fucking town. FirmTofu will not. Kelsier will flip town. I have no idea what Scott will flip. So yeah. It doesn't help i have to wake up at 4 am so i REALLY gotta go in like 15 minutes. yeah screw you ^^ i'm a tonereader. you have to wait a cycle cause i don't trust fucking inconsistency arguments that you so love to make because HALF THE TIME THEY MEAN NOTHING i ASKED you to explain your read better and you couldn't. try he isn't making any sense his reads do not progress logically his read on Palmar is shit nstead of trying to find/lynch mafia he wants to lynch whoever he can (see fucking Kelsier - Palmar reads of his)
bitch please. I know I'm town. I know I'm probably going to get lynched. I am basically forced to vote for anyone other than me.
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On July 27 2015 05:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 05:17 FirmTofu wrote:On July 27 2015 05:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 27 2015 05:10 rsoultin wrote:On July 27 2015 05:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 27 2015 05:00 rsoultin wrote:On July 27 2015 04:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Me being whatever (i am actually good) at reading her is not a reason to doubt my read on Palmar.
Those two things are unrelated. She is using an argument that has nothing to do with what i say about Palmar to discredit me. if you're town you will listen to me if you are not town you may succeed in mislynching me again which would be fucking infuriating, but everyone else will take note yes, you are or at least keep insisting that you are actually good at reading me...i actually have seen no evidence of this apart from titanic since you rolled scum in all 3 of the last 3 games we played together but if you're this fucking wrong on me who you're supposed to actually have an inkling of how to read, and i think that palmar is objectively much harder to read than i could ever be, then clearly your reads can't be trusted ARE YOU OR ARE YOU NOT SCUMREADING US BECAUSE WE WANT TO LYNCH CLARITY OVER TOFU?! because if you are you're being fucking idiotic I am scumreading you because you aren't doing shit and saying dumb things and/or using dumb narratives to discredit my thoughts. I am being, like i have been, honest here, i lynched you in the other game because you were scummy. You were. Obviously you were town, but you weren't doing shit. Obviously that was because you were playing two games at once and didn't have time but it does not change the fact you didn't do shit. You are not doing shit here. I don't find any intelligent comments from you. I just fucking don't. Palmar goes to same pile. I actually hold you two in the highest regards in the players in this game. I cannot understand why netiher of you cannot fucking see why what FirmTofu is doing is scummy as fuck and i cannot understand how you can possibly think Clarity is a better lynch than FT just because he is inactive. Like feel free to go ahead and lynch Clarity, i am telling you he will flip fucking town. FirmTofu will not. Kelsier will flip town. I have no idea what Scott will flip. So yeah. It doesn't help i have to wake up at 4 am so i REALLY gotta go in like 15 minutes. yeah screw you ^^ i'm a tonereader. you have to wait a cycle cause i don't trust fucking inconsistency arguments that you so love to make because HALF THE TIME THEY MEAN NOTHING i ASKED you to explain your read better and you couldn't. try he isn't making any sense his reads do not progress logically his read on Palmar is shit nstead of trying to find/lynch mafia he wants to lynch whoever he can (see fucking Kelsier - Palmar reads of his) bitch please. I know I'm town. I know I'm probably going to get lynched. I am basically forced to vote for anyone other than me. yeah and you jsut fucking said you don't care if you get lynched....
It's fine if I get lynched, just not optimal. Do you want me to vote for myself? The only way I survive is to vote for the biggest wagon that isn't me at this point.
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Ah, whatever, just let me flip. I think we win the game from this point anyways. Once I flip, you'll know to re-read what I've said from a town perspective.
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Also, I'm The Anangu (Town Vanilla), if anyone cares.
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