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On July 27 2015 21:20 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 21:18 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 21:14 ruXxar wrote:On July 27 2015 21:13 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 21:05 ruXxar wrote:On July 27 2015 20:58 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 20:54 ruXxar wrote:On July 27 2015 19:56 ruXxar wrote:On July 27 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 18:03 n00bKing wrote:
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HOW CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT??
I still don't get why you are saying this: - On the off-chance I'm the cop, I won't check you This is going nowhere. Let's stop here. Let's not stop here, I want an answer to this. Why would rels not check n00nking if rels is cop. Explain like I'm 5. You already called me dumb so I need extra spoon feeding. Really want an answer on this from n00b. I can not comment objectively, but I think Tiktock spoke the truth. We should concentrate on other people that noobking or myself. We're both pretty angry, so nothing productive will happen if we're pushed. Any thought on Sulfurus ruxxar ? ?? Why do you not want an answer to this question? I don't think his "answer" made ANY sense at all. Yesterday I was in his shoes. I wrote a big post saying how he was mafia for a tons of reasons, and when I reread it before posting I realize most of it was nonsense. I'm pretty happy I did not post it. I mean, read his last posts. He got progressively angry and started using majs. Mafia are usually calmer than that. I too don't understand this sentence, but I decided to ignore him for the day and let him and I get more calm. We'll continue this tomorrow. IMO you should do the same. Maybe I won't be like that if we didn't have other solid leads. But I feel Sulfurus and Flexes are very suspicious, and TT and MD are worth talking about. No, it's a simple question with simple answer. He can answer it today. Hahaha he's going to be soooo angry =D can't wait to see that. I can't wait. @reads, I'll give you an answer little later, need to work in front of boss 
Sneaky!
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@Breshke
On July 26 2015 19:49 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 18:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still think Flexes is mafia.
There is no reason a townie would say "i am writing a reads post right now" if they are not doing so.
I find that impossible.
Like this game is pretty straightforward. People who do scummy things are usually scum. If someone thinks they themselves did a scummy thing they are scum. rofl. Saying you are doing something you actually aren't is a scummy thing.
Flexes is lying, as proven by the thread. It doesn't matter if it "makes sense for him to do that as mafia". It matters that no townie ever says they are DOING something they actually aren't.
Simple things are simple. I want to lynch flexes more than moosey now. Also i don't see why people assume that barakos scum mates would have known he was going to stop playing. If he was around to tell them he wouldnt be posting it is very likely he would have just posted in the thread instead. I also like noobking even more now for his post on we should be looking for the most scummy people not the people most likely to bus because the later is stupid.
Q1 Reasons for lynching Flexes ?
You had quite a few posts defending Sulfurus. See spoiler.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 25 2015 11:11 Breshke wrote:
Yeah sulfurus is town On July 25 2015 13:24 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 12:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 25 2015 11:11 Breshke wrote:
Yeah sulfurus is town Reasoning? His like third? post in the game was him posting an auto list. On July 25 2015 14:28 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 14:19 Tictock wrote:
Damdred is... probably town? I don't know I am getting a weird feeling from him right now. My only game with him I was mafia and he was town so I'd rate my ability to read him as a "meh"
I kinda agree about Mossy, I'll get to my read of him a little later. I did give him a card earlier for a reason.
As for the Tarot... Well you should recall that I enjoyed batsnacks little I-ching read that game. I've been wanting to do something similar.
Mostly people decided to ignore it, which is possibly the correct response ^.^ It does kinda force me to stop, not that I ever intended to be that useless all game.
So Bre, tell me. Why do you seem so off this game?
Like, you don't seem to be trying very hard to get reads. The first half of the day you really only talked about ruXx or MD, now your suddenly jumping on board this Bara wagon (which I'm not sold on) and are giving away a town read on sulf for basically nothing. Ok that makes sense I guess. If you are comparing this to our mason game it isn't going to be the same, there i was more enthusiastic partly because i felt like i owed it to you. This phase is also over friday/saturday for me which is not good for me. Was there much more to talk about? I'm fairly sure i also said i thought noobking was town. The bara wagon is good, even if it isn't I think bara is skilled enough to convince me/others that he is town so there isn't really much more to look into about him at the moment if he doesn't come back. The sulf read might seem like nothing but tell me if he is mafia why does he put out an auto list. He even has said that he will discuss the reads when people ask. Like why does mafia do this especially when they are usually an inactive player. It just feels so out there that sulf as mafia with perfect imformation thinks to himself yeah i will put out a list where ive solved the game in my third post. On July 25 2015 14:46 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 14:37 Tictock wrote:
@ Bre
Struck me as odd that you ignored the nonsense I was doing with no comments, and yea just in general weren't really engaging a lot.
Based on your responses to me here I'm willing to shrug it off for the time being.
As for Sulf... He's really just floating doing his own thing?
This "auto" list seems somewhat towny, but it's timing is weird. Also his PoE list looks too much like the majority sentiment of the game right now. I could be wrong but especially after that last post about Bara I really have the sense he might just be trying to show effort without really doing anything. I thought it might have been going somewhere i wasn't going to interrupt. Also if it didn't go somewhere and you continued that would have been good info as well. How is the timing weird? What did you expect him to have on bara though other than what is already out there. I wouldn't say it is scummy that he has no "new" things about bara if anything it is scummy that he chose to explain that read first and in so many words instead of just saying like "what rayn said was good" but i think it is possible that he thinks it wouldnt be appropriate giving that response. Sulf can you explain your Noobking scumread, that is the one I am most interested in. On July 25 2015 14:49 Breshke wrote:
Also general things like thread sentiment can be a bit meh like for example im scumeading moosey and bara. That is thread sentiment and ive taken less hard stances than sul did in that one post yet you havn't said you thought it was scummy that im following thread sentiment.
Yes i get that other than that point mine and sulfs play has been different but having that as one of the main things you don't like about him is very general and it is easy to scumread an inactive player for stuff like that. On July 25 2015 15:01 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 14:55 Tictock wrote:
Like, if sulf had posted nothing else we policy lynch him... for sure.
Posting this auto-lynch concept and selling it could very well be a last ditch effort of doing "something".
I don't like it because a lot of my scum reads are in his town pile ^.^
Also I have at least 2 maybe 3 solid town reads in his PoE list so that makes me nervous as well... Then ask him specifically about those people? You most recently asked him about damdred and flex and from what i can tell you agree with him that damdred is town so leave that for now and ask specifically about the reads you disagree with.. If sulf is town he wants to engage with people about his list and if it is a "las ditch effort" from a sulf mafia then it will be hard for him to back his list up with reasoning
Q2 Are you still town reading him ?
In particular, you adviced to ask Sulfurus for more infos on his list.
On July 25 2015 15:01 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 14:55 Tictock wrote:
Like, if sulf had posted nothing else we policy lynch him... for sure.
Posting this auto-lynch concept and selling it could very well be a last ditch effort of doing "something".
I don't like it because a lot of my scum reads are in his town pile ^.^
Also I have at least 2 maybe 3 solid town reads in his PoE list so that makes me nervous as well... Then ask him specifically about those people?
Disformation did a few times and never got an answer.
Q3 What do you think of that ?
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On July 27 2015 08:09 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 05:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I gotta go to bed.
shoot Fexexs.
check tictactoe.
i think they are the last mafia.
i think moosy is not mafia.
be aware of sulf and breshke, mayyyybe NM.
i don't think anyone else has a chance of flipping mafia. Tictock seems really weird from what I've read of his filter - I just don't see Breshke being mafia with such an early vote and not moving it - was Barakos that scummy? It's a lot to read all the pages again. Can anyone point to any big points I may have missed?
Two questions.
Why is TT really weird ?
rayn said "be aware of sulf and breshke"
You answer "I just don't see Breshke being mafia with such an early vote and not moving it"
But Sulfurus voted 8 minutes after Breshke and didn't move it. Why do you mention Breshke and not Sulfurus ?
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On July 27 2015 22:31 NocturneMage wrote:
I wasn't fully convinced d1 he was the vote at all given his tone and he followed up since. But I'm not sure how order/placement of votes affects someone's alignment so if someone could give me a crash course on the whole bussing thing in 1-2 sentences, I'd appreciate it.
In general, mafia A will not vote for mafia B if nobody else thinks that mafia B is suspicious.
But as mafia B gets more and more vote, mafia A will feel compeled to bus him to be in the thread sentiment and appear townie.
So usually, the first few people voting on a mafia are townie. After that, it's way less alignment indicative.
Could you answer this ? No trap or anything like that! Just curious.
On July 27 2015 16:57 Rels wrote:@NocturneMage: Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 03:49 NocturneMage wrote:
Having read other games, seems like some people lose their heads in this game? What other games did you read ?
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On July 27 2015 22:42 Damdred wrote:
Guys stop being bads, we shouldn't lynch people who were on the wagon to lynch scum tomorrow.
There are a few people who aren't really playing and weren't on the wagon.
I don't care if people were on wagon or not. Being late on Barakos' wagon is neither town nor scum indicative.
I'm lynching scummy looking people.
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On July 27 2015 22:45 NocturneMage wrote:
Rels, sure.
Read parts of the following games - Gaiden, Mafia in the Himalayas - my fear on people's conduct primarily stemmed from these two games, people acting out. The moderators of both games seemed to be pretty strict so that might have biased me there.
Read others - Not Themed Mafia, Carnaval, and maybe the first half of the last newbie.
Alright! Was wondering how you knew ruxxar rolled scum in his last games. Now I get it. (=
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On July 27 2015 22:50 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 22:40 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 22:31 NocturneMage wrote:
I wasn't fully convinced d1 he was the vote at all given his tone and he followed up since. But I'm not sure how order/placement of votes affects someone's alignment so if someone could give me a crash course on the whole bussing thing in 1-2 sentences, I'd appreciate it. In general, mafia A will not vote for mafia B if nobody else thinks that mafia B is suspicious. But as mafia B gets more and more vote, mafia A will feel compeled to bus him to be in the thread sentiment and appear townie. So usually, the first few people voting on a mafia are townie. After that, it's way less alignment indicative. Thanks. That raises an additional question though. Do you think you could discount someone making a play where they kill a scum teammate so they don't get suspicious? I think the point on Barakos was made by someone (Moosy?) where he stopped posting early enough in the cycle that it could coincide with an early vote if that fact was known. If it was communicated in the scum thread that he didn't want to play, couldn't that have happened earlier?
Yes it is possible. Barakos' last post was 16 hours into day 1, so any vote after that is not town indicative.
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BTW NocturneMage I did a vote recap with timestamps here if you want to check vote timing or things like that.
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I read moosy's filter and I like it. Except this.
On July 27 2015 04:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 04:26 ruXxar wrote:
@Moosy.
Why did you not vote yesterday?
Also, why did you not have an opinion on barakos. To be perfectly honest? Real life stuff. I woke up late and was busy taking my practice SAT2 Lit test then had to run to my SAT2 Physics class so I wasn’t around for the voting time. Still not an excuse since it was my fault I woke up late. Barakos was being hammered into the ground. I was more interested in questioning other people to find a possible scum read if the Barakos wagon was wrong, but that instead quickly became an exercise of slandering you since you started tunneling on me hard.
When moosy and ruxxar did their fight, it was late in the first half of D1 and Barakos was not clearly the lynch, and even less "hammered into the ground".
@MD: What post did you have in mind with this sentence, when you wanted to find another scumread than Barakos but got into a fight with ruxxar ? 'cause the posts I found were waaaay prior Barakos being the clear lynch.
Barakos was being hammered into the ground. I was more interested in questioning other people to find a possible scum read if the Barakos wagon was wrong, but that instead quickly became an exercise of slandering you since you started tunneling on me hard.
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On July 27 2015 23:31 Damdred wrote:
Actually Sulf was on the wagon pretty early on barak when he probably could of went on moosy and made it a much closer race, probably would of made rels or another person stick on moosy (maybe). Would of been a much closer race, which is all hypothetical situation its true.
I just think its pretty meh to lynch into the wagon that killed mafia when we have people who did scummy things off the wagon, and are still doing scummy things today.
He had moosy as #2 in his list.
He voted Barakos 2 hours after making his list.
He almost only talked about Barakos, which is what a mafia would find easy to do: talk about something others are agreeing on.
Not saying him bussing is a good argument, but I don't believe that save him either. And there are other things against him:
NM thoughts
noobking's thoughts
Disformation's thoughts
Rels' thoughts
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On July 27 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 19:29 disformation wrote:Oh just noticed. n00bKing already is voting for Sulfurus with his explanation of: On July 27 2015 05:13 n00bKing wrote:
#12: Sulfurus - Activity level is basically a perfect match for prior Scum games. First post was strange, and his posts have never improved. In his last scum game, his first post was strange, and his posts never improved. The only post of his that doesn't match his Scum games looks like a lazy mimic from his Town game in Newbie X, when he decided he couldn't figure out how to play Townie without being Townie, so he just does some copy & paste work from a game where he was Town. Reads are bad. Volunteers to offer more information about his reads, if anyone asks for it. People ask for information about his more controversial reads, and he fails to offer more information about some of them, while posting additional info about his read that already matched thread sentiment. Every time the dude posts, I do my best to read with an open mind, and then it just ends up being another strike against him. Since he has a similar view of Sulfurus meta as Rels I am getting more confident in Sulfurus being scum. Let's not forget I was the first one to mention Sulfurus ever once the game started. But then again, that was just me hard busing because i'm Mafia. So never mind. Carry on.
Instead of being super aggressive all the time, could you answer this ?
On July 27 2015 23:16 Rels wrote:I read moosy's filter and I like it. Except this. Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 04:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 27 2015 04:26 ruXxar wrote:
@Moosy.
Why did you not vote yesterday?
Also, why did you not have an opinion on barakos. To be perfectly honest? Real life stuff. I woke up late and was busy taking my practice SAT2 Lit test then had to run to my SAT2 Physics class so I wasn’t around for the voting time. Still not an excuse since it was my fault I woke up late. Barakos was being hammered into the ground. I was more interested in questioning other people to find a possible scum read if the Barakos wagon was wrong, but that instead quickly became an exercise of slandering you since you started tunneling on me hard. When moosy and ruxxar did their fight, it was late in the first half of D1 and Barakos was not clearly the lynch, and even less "hammered into the ground". @MD: What post did you have in mind with this sentence, when you wanted to find another scumread than Barakos but got into a fight with ruxxar ? 'cause the posts I found were waaaay prior Barakos being the clear lynch. Show nested quote +
Barakos was being hammered into the ground. I was more interested in questioning other people to find a possible scum read if the Barakos wagon was wrong, but that instead quickly became an exercise of slandering you since you started tunneling on me hard.
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I read TikTock's filter and I will need a rock solid case to vote on him. Thinking Sulfurus + scott is way more likely.
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On July 27 2015 23:49 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 23:43 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 27 2015 19:29 disformation wrote:Oh just noticed. n00bKing already is voting for Sulfurus with his explanation of: On July 27 2015 05:13 n00bKing wrote:
#12: Sulfurus - Activity level is basically a perfect match for prior Scum games. First post was strange, and his posts have never improved. In his last scum game, his first post was strange, and his posts never improved. The only post of his that doesn't match his Scum games looks like a lazy mimic from his Town game in Newbie X, when he decided he couldn't figure out how to play Townie without being Townie, so he just does some copy & paste work from a game where he was Town. Reads are bad. Volunteers to offer more information about his reads, if anyone asks for it. People ask for information about his more controversial reads, and he fails to offer more information about some of them, while posting additional info about his read that already matched thread sentiment. Every time the dude posts, I do my best to read with an open mind, and then it just ends up being another strike against him. Since he has a similar view of Sulfurus meta as Rels I am getting more confident in Sulfurus being scum. Let's not forget I was the first one to mention Sulfurus ever once the game started. But then again, that was just me hard busing because i'm Mafia. So never mind. Carry on. Instead of being super aggressive all the time, could you answer this ? On July 27 2015 23:16 Rels wrote:I read moosy's filter and I like it. Except this. On July 27 2015 04:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 27 2015 04:26 ruXxar wrote:
@Moosy.
Why did you not vote yesterday?
Also, why did you not have an opinion on barakos. To be perfectly honest? Real life stuff. I woke up late and was busy taking my practice SAT2 Lit test then had to run to my SAT2 Physics class so I wasn’t around for the voting time. Still not an excuse since it was my fault I woke up late. Barakos was being hammered into the ground. I was more interested in questioning other people to find a possible scum read if the Barakos wagon was wrong, but that instead quickly became an exercise of slandering you since you started tunneling on me hard. When moosy and ruxxar did their fight, it was late in the first half of D1 and Barakos was not clearly the lynch, and even less "hammered into the ground". @MD: What post did you have in mind with this sentence, when you wanted to find another scumread than Barakos but got into a fight with ruxxar ? 'cause the posts I found were waaaay prior Barakos being the clear lynch.
Barakos was being hammered into the ground. I was more interested in questioning other people to find a possible scum read if the Barakos wagon was wrong, but that instead quickly became an exercise of slandering you since you started tunneling on me hard.
Everyone and their mothers was saying that Barakos was scummy af except for Tictock. If I posted my same read on him would that have achieved anything?
By "hammered to the ground" I understood "a lot of people voting for him". So actually you meant "a lot of people suspecting him" right ?
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Alright leaving work very soon so I'll be mostly AFK until tomorrow! For now my scumteam is Sulfurus + Flexes/scott. Maybe Breshke instead of one of those two.
And if I'm wrong on one those three, mayyyyyyybe MD, TT or NM, though I will really need some rock solid cases to consider voting them.
If you're not voting Sulfurus, or just want to know the case against him, it's here:
NM thoughts
noobking's thoughts
Disformation's thoughts
Rels' case
Questions for Breshke:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 27 2015 22:10 Rels wrote:@Breshke Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 19:49 Breshke wrote:On July 26 2015 18:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still think Flexes is mafia.
There is no reason a townie would say "i am writing a reads post right now" if they are not doing so.
I find that impossible.
Like this game is pretty straightforward. People who do scummy things are usually scum. If someone thinks they themselves did a scummy thing they are scum. rofl. Saying you are doing something you actually aren't is a scummy thing.
Flexes is lying, as proven by the thread. It doesn't matter if it "makes sense for him to do that as mafia". It matters that no townie ever says they are DOING something they actually aren't.
Simple things are simple. I want to lynch flexes more than moosey now. Also i don't see why people assume that barakos scum mates would have known he was going to stop playing. If he was around to tell them he wouldnt be posting it is very likely he would have just posted in the thread instead. I also like noobking even more now for his post on we should be looking for the most scummy people not the people most likely to bus because the later is stupid. Q1 Reasons for lynching Flexes ?You had quite a few posts defending Sulfurus. See spoiler. + Show Spoiler +On July 25 2015 11:11 Breshke wrote:
Yeah sulfurus is town On July 25 2015 13:24 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 12:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 25 2015 11:11 Breshke wrote:
Yeah sulfurus is town Reasoning? His like third? post in the game was him posting an auto list. On July 25 2015 14:28 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 14:19 Tictock wrote:
Damdred is... probably town? I don't know I am getting a weird feeling from him right now. My only game with him I was mafia and he was town so I'd rate my ability to read him as a "meh"
I kinda agree about Mossy, I'll get to my read of him a little later. I did give him a card earlier for a reason.
As for the Tarot... Well you should recall that I enjoyed batsnacks little I-ching read that game. I've been wanting to do something similar.
Mostly people decided to ignore it, which is possibly the correct response ^.^ It does kinda force me to stop, not that I ever intended to be that useless all game.
So Bre, tell me. Why do you seem so off this game?
Like, you don't seem to be trying very hard to get reads. The first half of the day you really only talked about ruXx or MD, now your suddenly jumping on board this Bara wagon (which I'm not sold on) and are giving away a town read on sulf for basically nothing. Ok that makes sense I guess. If you are comparing this to our mason game it isn't going to be the same, there i was more enthusiastic partly because i felt like i owed it to you. This phase is also over friday/saturday for me which is not good for me. Was there much more to talk about? I'm fairly sure i also said i thought noobking was town. The bara wagon is good, even if it isn't I think bara is skilled enough to convince me/others that he is town so there isn't really much more to look into about him at the moment if he doesn't come back. The sulf read might seem like nothing but tell me if he is mafia why does he put out an auto list. He even has said that he will discuss the reads when people ask. Like why does mafia do this especially when they are usually an inactive player. It just feels so out there that sulf as mafia with perfect imformation thinks to himself yeah i will put out a list where ive solved the game in my third post. On July 25 2015 14:46 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 14:37 Tictock wrote:
@ Bre
Struck me as odd that you ignored the nonsense I was doing with no comments, and yea just in general weren't really engaging a lot.
Based on your responses to me here I'm willing to shrug it off for the time being.
As for Sulf... He's really just floating doing his own thing?
This "auto" list seems somewhat towny, but it's timing is weird. Also his PoE list looks too much like the majority sentiment of the game right now. I could be wrong but especially after that last post about Bara I really have the sense he might just be trying to show effort without really doing anything. I thought it might have been going somewhere i wasn't going to interrupt. Also if it didn't go somewhere and you continued that would have been good info as well. How is the timing weird? What did you expect him to have on bara though other than what is already out there. I wouldn't say it is scummy that he has no "new" things about bara if anything it is scummy that he chose to explain that read first and in so many words instead of just saying like "what rayn said was good" but i think it is possible that he thinks it wouldnt be appropriate giving that response. Sulf can you explain your Noobking scumread, that is the one I am most interested in. On July 25 2015 14:49 Breshke wrote:
Also general things like thread sentiment can be a bit meh like for example im scumeading moosey and bara. That is thread sentiment and ive taken less hard stances than sul did in that one post yet you havn't said you thought it was scummy that im following thread sentiment.
Yes i get that other than that point mine and sulfs play has been different but having that as one of the main things you don't like about him is very general and it is easy to scumread an inactive player for stuff like that. On July 25 2015 15:01 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 14:55 Tictock wrote:
Like, if sulf had posted nothing else we policy lynch him... for sure.
Posting this auto-lynch concept and selling it could very well be a last ditch effort of doing "something".
I don't like it because a lot of my scum reads are in his town pile ^.^
Also I have at least 2 maybe 3 solid town reads in his PoE list so that makes me nervous as well... Then ask him specifically about those people? You most recently asked him about damdred and flex and from what i can tell you agree with him that damdred is town so leave that for now and ask specifically about the reads you disagree with.. If sulf is town he wants to engage with people about his list and if it is a "las ditch effort" from a sulf mafia then it will be hard for him to back his list up with reasoning In particular, you adviced to ask Sulfurus for more infos on his list. Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 15:01 Breshke wrote:On July 25 2015 14:55 Tictock wrote:
Like, if sulf had posted nothing else we policy lynch him... for sure.
Posting this auto-lynch concept and selling it could very well be a last ditch effort of doing "something".
I don't like it because a lot of my scum reads are in his town pile ^.^
Also I have at least 2 maybe 3 solid town reads in his PoE list so that makes me nervous as well... Then ask him specifically about those people? Disformation did a few times and never got an answer. Q3 What do you think of that ?
Questions for scott:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 27 2015 22:16 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 08:09 scott31337 wrote:On July 27 2015 05:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I gotta go to bed.
shoot Fexexs.
check tictactoe.
i think they are the last mafia.
i think moosy is not mafia.
be aware of sulf and breshke, mayyyybe NM.
i don't think anyone else has a chance of flipping mafia. Tictock seems really weird from what I've read of his filter - I just don't see Breshke being mafia with such an early vote and not moving it - was Barakos that scummy? It's a lot to read all the pages again. Can anyone point to any big points I may have missed? Two questions. Why is TT really weird ? rayn said "be aware of sulf and breshke" You answer "I just don't see Breshke being mafia with such an early vote and not moving it" But Sulfurus voted 8 minutes after Breshke and didn't move it. Why do you mention Breshke and not Sulfurus ?
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OK rayn. As you're confirmed town, I'll listen to you today and I'll vote on someone not on Barakos' wagon.
On the other hand, you've been mostly AFK this phase; hope your activity gets better, 'cause you're probably shot tonight. And don't forget you promised this:
On July 27 2015 05:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I promise i will look more closely onto Sulfurus in case i am alive on D2.
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I have two problems with the posts Tictock made after I left yesterday.
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Tictock made two posts back to back. In the first he confirmed his scum read on moosy:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 28 2015 04:11 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 21:13 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 21:05 ruXxar wrote:On July 27 2015 20:58 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 20:54 ruXxar wrote:On July 27 2015 19:56 ruXxar wrote:On July 27 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 18:03 n00bKing wrote:On July 27 2015 17:59 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 17:57 n00bKing wrote:
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lol, NONSENSE. What didn't you understand about "If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town)."?
I don't understand. You are saying: - I'm probably not the cop - On the off-chance I'm the cop, I won't check you I don't understand why you are saying that. Especially the second part. HOW CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT?? I still don't get why you are saying this: - On the off-chance I'm the cop, I won't check you This is going nowhere. Let's stop here. Let's not stop here, I want an answer to this. Why would rels not check n00nking if rels is cop. Explain like I'm 5. You already called me dumb so I need extra spoon feeding. Really want an answer on this from n00b. I can not comment objectively, but I think Tiktock spoke the truth. We should concentrate on other people that noobking or myself. We're both pretty angry, so nothing productive will happen if we're pushed. Any thought on Sulfurus ruxxar ? ?? Why do you not want an answer to this question? I don't think his "answer" made ANY sense at all. Yesterday I was in his shoes. I wrote a big post saying how he was mafia for a tons of reasons, and when I reread it before posting I realize most of it was nonsense. I'm pretty happy I did not post it. I mean, read his last posts. He got progressively angry and started using majs. Mafia are usually calmer than that. I too don't understand this sentence, but I decided to ignore him for the day and let him and I get more calm. We'll continue this tomorrow. IMO you should do the same. Maybe I won't be like that if we didn't have other solid leads. But I feel Sulfurus and Flexes are very suspicious, and TT and MD are worth talking about. I'm always worth talking about... Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 23:43 NocturneMage wrote:On July 25 2015 18:31 Tictock wrote:Ok, so I'm reading Moosy's filter and this post just jumps out to me . On July 24 2015 22:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 24 2015 22:35 ruXxar wrote:
Moosy..
What is this soul-read you have on me?
WIth perfect information comes the ease of covering your lies in pretty words. I still hate you. Spot spouting poetry shit and get to business you fool. Traps D1 like this are so bad it's ridiculous. It's completely dependent on the Mafia making a slip while people jump on your wagon. In either case, no one is taking you seriously at this point because of your poetry nonsense so you might as well just stop at this point. It's the last few hours we have. Get down to business. This post is rather Ironic due to the way Moosy himself played D1 as town in the last NSM, interesting as well since Moosy's ploy worked in that game. I also find it very interesting that MD is focusing so heavily on RuXx both in this post and in most of his filter. At the time of this post I had begun posting my tarot stuff which was clearly more nonsensical than ruxx's poetry, yet MD ignores my nonsense and focuses entirely on ruxx. In fact most of MD's filter is just arguments with ruxx over silly points, and none of it ever really goes anywhere. This leads me to believe that MD is not really interested in people focusing on the game (as he would have mentioned my Tarot stuff) and is actually just trying to create some filter by fighting and calling a few minor points out. There was also the overly long and drawn out stuff between MD and Breshke where MD kept dodging some questions. To me it looked like MD was trying to stir up something but when he got called out had to scramble to justify it. I actually think MD is a pretty good lynch here today. So gunna leave my vote on him and take another look at things nearer EoD. ##Vote: MoosyDoosy Looking at the Tictock/Moosy relationship and Tictock's filter from this standpoint. Is the Moosy scumread a meta read? The way Moosy is going about it is he's saying "I'm mafia" etc, and just seemingly (outside the townreads) making himself look dumb at points, which I assume is trolling, I read part of the last newbie and Moosy also seemed self destructive purposely in that game. Tictock, if Moosy is dodging questions like you are saying, how do you know it's not the same self-destructive stuff he did last game? How are you sure he's not doing it out of spite (which to me would be in line with the overall way he's acting)? I don't and that's the problem. I know he is capable of playing this way as town, but whats to prevent MD from using the same tactic as mafia to dodge questions and stuff? Posts like this are a perfect example of why MD looks so scummy to me. Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 27 2015 19:29 disformation wrote:Oh just noticed. n00bKing already is voting for Sulfurus with his explanation of: On July 27 2015 05:13 n00bKing wrote:
#12: Sulfurus - Activity level is basically a perfect match for prior Scum games. First post was strange, and his posts have never improved. In his last scum game, his first post was strange, and his posts never improved. The only post of his that doesn't match his Scum games looks like a lazy mimic from his Town game in Newbie X, when he decided he couldn't figure out how to play Townie without being Townie, so he just does some copy & paste work from a game where he was Town. Reads are bad. Volunteers to offer more information about his reads, if anyone asks for it. People ask for information about his more controversial reads, and he fails to offer more information about some of them, while posting additional info about his read that already matched thread sentiment. Every time the dude posts, I do my best to read with an open mind, and then it just ends up being another strike against him. Since he has a similar view of Sulfurus meta as Rels I am getting more confident in Sulfurus being scum. Let's not forget I was the first one to mention Sulfurus ever once the game started. But then again, that was just me hard busing because i'm Mafia. So never mind. Carry on. -The bolded is true, but but it doesn't mean jack all. Never even bothered to push Sulf at all D1, then randomly votes N1. So he only really gets credit for mentioning that Sulf was in the game and that he's rolled mafia before. Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 10:23 MoosyDoosy wrote:
/facepalm. I just realized that Sulfurus was in this game and that his first and only post was /in. I'm tempted to lynch him because it's my third game with him as well and he's rolled Mafia Godfather the last two times. Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 22:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:
##Vote Sulfurus
He's probably Mafia Godfather tbh. - Then we get back to more "I'm mafia" talk. True he did this as town before, but he's only using it this game to dodge questions. Last game he was much more clearly using this tactic to try and be lynchbait but here it's only coming up when questions are asked of him or people push on him. I see no reason to believe this is not scum!MD trying to abuse something he did as town last game. So I feel just fine keeping my vote on him. Also do note, he didn't bother to share those reads until Night phase, during Day phase he did basically nothing and never even bothered to vote. Like nothing I read from MD D1 suggested to me he was at all interested in solving the game.
In the second he explained how Sulfurus is a good lynch today, even though Sulfurus is voting for Moosy! See spoiler.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 28 2015 04:16 Tictock wrote:
In regards to Sulf.
I'm totally for him being a lynch target today. I've been saying pretty much all the same stuff as everyone making a case on him.
For now I dont mind leaving my vote on MD (for reasons I stated in last post) even though Sulf is voting for him as well. Based on his Auto list MD was clearly Sulf's next target so him placing a vote on him is just following through what he said in that post and NAI.
Having said that.
@Sul
Why don't you explain to us your reads in detail. Starting with why you think Moosy is the best lynch today.
Also, at what point do you rethink your list? A D1 PoE list is very unlikely to be accurate.
In particular this paragraph:
On July 28 2015 04:16 Tictock wrote:
For now I dont mind leaving my vote on MD (for reasons I stated in last post) even though Sulf is voting for him as well. Based on his Auto list MD was clearly Sulf's next target so him placing a vote on him is just following through what he said in that post and NAI.
makes exactly 0 sense to me.
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Tictock makes a post saying we should focus on people not on Barakos' wagon
On July 28 2015 09:03 Tictock wrote:
While I still think it is likely that at least one mafia bussed Bara, I do agree with Damdred and rayn here that it is a smart to focus on the people not on the Bara wagon.
But in the SAME POST the person he attacks the most is Breshke, who voted on Barakos.
On July 28 2015 09:03 Tictock wrote:
Breshke is also lurking really hardcore this game, really making me think he is scum. I was masons with Bre and so I know he doesn't feel confident as scum (we talked about alot of stuff).
Then he goes on to vote for him.
On July 28 2015 15:49 Tictock wrote:
Ok, pretty sure the scum team is Breshke and Scott.
I'm pretty sure on Scott, but I'm positive on Breshke now.
##Unvote
##Vote: Breshke
Will post cases on both as I get em done, with their filters it shouldn't take very long.
So I think TT has a good shot at being mafia.
##Unvote
##Vote Tictock
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Why are you attacking Breshke when you admitted it is a good idea to focus on people not on Barakos' train ?
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On July 28 2015 17:13 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 17:01 Rels wrote:I have two problems with the posts Tictock made after I left yesterday. 1Tictock made two posts back to back. In the first he confirmed his scum read on moosy: + Show Spoiler +On July 28 2015 04:11 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 21:13 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 21:05 ruXxar wrote:On July 27 2015 20:58 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 20:54 ruXxar wrote:On July 27 2015 19:56 ruXxar wrote:On July 27 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 18:03 n00bKing wrote:On July 27 2015 17:59 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 17:57 n00bKing wrote:
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lol, NONSENSE. What didn't you understand about "If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town)."?
I don't understand. You are saying: - I'm probably not the cop - On the off-chance I'm the cop, I won't check you I don't understand why you are saying that. Especially the second part. HOW CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT?? I still don't get why you are saying this: - On the off-chance I'm the cop, I won't check you This is going nowhere. Let's stop here. Let's not stop here, I want an answer to this. Why would rels not check n00nking if rels is cop. Explain like I'm 5. You already called me dumb so I need extra spoon feeding. Really want an answer on this from n00b. I can not comment objectively, but I think Tiktock spoke the truth. We should concentrate on other people that noobking or myself. We're both pretty angry, so nothing productive will happen if we're pushed. Any thought on Sulfurus ruxxar ? ?? Why do you not want an answer to this question? I don't think his "answer" made ANY sense at all. Yesterday I was in his shoes. I wrote a big post saying how he was mafia for a tons of reasons, and when I reread it before posting I realize most of it was nonsense. I'm pretty happy I did not post it. I mean, read his last posts. He got progressively angry and started using majs. Mafia are usually calmer than that. I too don't understand this sentence, but I decided to ignore him for the day and let him and I get more calm. We'll continue this tomorrow. IMO you should do the same. Maybe I won't be like that if we didn't have other solid leads. But I feel Sulfurus and Flexes are very suspicious, and TT and MD are worth talking about. I'm always worth talking about... Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 23:43 NocturneMage wrote:On July 25 2015 18:31 Tictock wrote:Ok, so I'm reading Moosy's filter and this post just jumps out to me . On July 24 2015 22:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 24 2015 22:35 ruXxar wrote:
Moosy..
What is this soul-read you have on me?
WIth perfect information comes the ease of covering your lies in pretty words. I still hate you. Spot spouting poetry shit and get to business you fool. Traps D1 like this are so bad it's ridiculous. It's completely dependent on the Mafia making a slip while people jump on your wagon. In either case, no one is taking you seriously at this point because of your poetry nonsense so you might as well just stop at this point. It's the last few hours we have. Get down to business. This post is rather Ironic due to the way Moosy himself played D1 as town in the last NSM, interesting as well since Moosy's ploy worked in that game. I also find it very interesting that MD is focusing so heavily on RuXx both in this post and in most of his filter. At the time of this post I had begun posting my tarot stuff which was clearly more nonsensical than ruxx's poetry, yet MD ignores my nonsense and focuses entirely on ruxx. In fact most of MD's filter is just arguments with ruxx over silly points, and none of it ever really goes anywhere. This leads me to believe that MD is not really interested in people focusing on the game (as he would have mentioned my Tarot stuff) and is actually just trying to create some filter by fighting and calling a few minor points out. There was also the overly long and drawn out stuff between MD and Breshke where MD kept dodging some questions. To me it looked like MD was trying to stir up something but when he got called out had to scramble to justify it. I actually think MD is a pretty good lynch here today. So gunna leave my vote on him and take another look at things nearer EoD. ##Vote: MoosyDoosy Looking at the Tictock/Moosy relationship and Tictock's filter from this standpoint. Is the Moosy scumread a meta read? The way Moosy is going about it is he's saying "I'm mafia" etc, and just seemingly (outside the townreads) making himself look dumb at points, which I assume is trolling, I read part of the last newbie and Moosy also seemed self destructive purposely in that game. Tictock, if Moosy is dodging questions like you are saying, how do you know it's not the same self-destructive stuff he did last game? How are you sure he's not doing it out of spite (which to me would be in line with the overall way he's acting)? I don't and that's the problem. I know he is capable of playing this way as town, but whats to prevent MD from using the same tactic as mafia to dodge questions and stuff? Posts like this are a perfect example of why MD looks so scummy to me. Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 27 2015 19:29 disformation wrote:Oh just noticed. n00bKing already is voting for Sulfurus with his explanation of: On July 27 2015 05:13 n00bKing wrote:
#12: Sulfurus - Activity level is basically a perfect match for prior Scum games. First post was strange, and his posts have never improved. In his last scum game, his first post was strange, and his posts never improved. The only post of his that doesn't match his Scum games looks like a lazy mimic from his Town game in Newbie X, when he decided he couldn't figure out how to play Townie without being Townie, so he just does some copy & paste work from a game where he was Town. Reads are bad. Volunteers to offer more information about his reads, if anyone asks for it. People ask for information about his more controversial reads, and he fails to offer more information about some of them, while posting additional info about his read that already matched thread sentiment. Every time the dude posts, I do my best to read with an open mind, and then it just ends up being another strike against him. Since he has a similar view of Sulfurus meta as Rels I am getting more confident in Sulfurus being scum. Let's not forget I was the first one to mention Sulfurus ever once the game started. But then again, that was just me hard busing because i'm Mafia. So never mind. Carry on. -The bolded is true, but but it doesn't mean jack all. Never even bothered to push Sulf at all D1, then randomly votes N1. So he only really gets credit for mentioning that Sulf was in the game and that he's rolled mafia before. Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 10:23 MoosyDoosy wrote:
/facepalm. I just realized that Sulfurus was in this game and that his first and only post was /in. I'm tempted to lynch him because it's my third game with him as well and he's rolled Mafia Godfather the last two times. Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 22:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:
##Vote Sulfurus
He's probably Mafia Godfather tbh. - Then we get back to more "I'm mafia" talk. True he did this as town before, but he's only using it this game to dodge questions. Last game he was much more clearly using this tactic to try and be lynchbait but here it's only coming up when questions are asked of him or people push on him. I see no reason to believe this is not scum!MD trying to abuse something he did as town last game. So I feel just fine keeping my vote on him. Also do note, he didn't bother to share those reads until Night phase, during Day phase he did basically nothing and never even bothered to vote. Like nothing I read from MD D1 suggested to me he was at all interested in solving the game. In the second he explained how Sulfurus is a good lynch today, even though Sulfurus is voting for Moosy! See spoiler. + Show Spoiler +On July 28 2015 04:16 Tictock wrote:
In regards to Sulf.
I'm totally for him being a lynch target today. I've been saying pretty much all the same stuff as everyone making a case on him.
For now I dont mind leaving my vote on MD (for reasons I stated in last post) even though Sulf is voting for him as well. Based on his Auto list MD was clearly Sulf's next target so him placing a vote on him is just following through what he said in that post and NAI.
Having said that.
@Sul
Why don't you explain to us your reads in detail. Starting with why you think Moosy is the best lynch today.
Also, at what point do you rethink your list? A D1 PoE list is very unlikely to be accurate. In particular this paragraph: On July 28 2015 04:16 Tictock wrote:
For now I dont mind leaving my vote on MD (for reasons I stated in last post) even though Sulf is voting for him as well. Based on his Auto list MD was clearly Sulf's next target so him placing a vote on him is just following through what he said in that post and NAI. makes exactly 0 sense to me. 2Tictock makes a post saying we should focus on people not on Barakos' wagon On July 28 2015 09:03 Tictock wrote:
While I still think it is likely that at least one mafia bussed Bara, I do agree with Damdred and rayn here that it is a smart to focus on the people not on the Bara wagon. But in the SAME POST the person he attacks the most is Breshke, who voted on Barakos. On July 28 2015 09:03 Tictock wrote:
Breshke is also lurking really hardcore this game, really making me think he is scum. I was masons with Bre and so I know he doesn't feel confident as scum (we talked about alot of stuff). Then he goes on to vote for him. On July 28 2015 15:49 Tictock wrote:
Ok, pretty sure the scum team is Breshke and Scott.
I'm pretty sure on Scott, but I'm positive on Breshke now.
##Unvote
##Vote: Breshke
Will post cases on both as I get em done, with their filters it shouldn't take very long.
So I think TT has a good shot at being mafia. ##Unvote##Vote Tictock 1 - I think Sulf would be voting Moosy today regarless of his alignment, so it didn't bug me. As I explained.
I don't know how you can say mafia!Sulfurus would be voting mafia!Moosy today, especially after:
1 - Losing a teammate yesterday.
2 - Moosy being one of the most suspicious player in the game, so this push may be ending in Moosy getting lynched.
It looks like you wanted to comment on Sulfurus 'cause everyone else was doing so, but didn't know what to say so said something illogical.
On July 28 2015 17:13 Tictock wrote:
2 - Your mis-reading what I posted here.
I agreed it was SMART to lynch off the Bara wagon, never said we SHOUKDN'T. In fact Moosy made a post regarding that recently that I kinda agreed with so.. yea.
My statement about Breshke in that post was me talking about all my scumreads, so I wasn't even attacking him. Just stating my opinion there.
Yep I voted him, and now there's a case up against him.
Also, how does me changing my mind about things make me scum?
Cause it's not logical. You said it is smart to focus on off voting people, then you don't focus on them.
It looks like you wanted to buddy rayn and Damdred, the two town read vets of the game.
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Another thing about your Breshke + scott team:
On July 26 2015 19:49 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 18:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still think Flexes is mafia.
There is no reason a townie would say "i am writing a reads post right now" if they are not doing so.
I find that impossible.
Like this game is pretty straightforward. People who do scummy things are usually scum. If someone thinks they themselves did a scummy thing they are scum. rofl. Saying you are doing something you actually aren't is a scummy thing.
Flexes is lying, as proven by the thread. It doesn't matter if it "makes sense for him to do that as mafia". It matters that no townie ever says they are DOING something they actually aren't.
Simple things are simple. I want to lynch flexes more than moosey now. Also i don't see why people assume that barakos scum mates would have known he was going to stop playing. If he was around to tell them he wouldnt be posting it is very likely he would have just posted in the thread instead. I also like noobking even more now for his post on we should be looking for the most scummy people not the people most likely to bus because the later is stupid.
Breshke wants to lynch BOTH your old scum read (Moosy) and your new scum read (Flexes/scott).
Do you really think Breshke + scott is possible ?
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On July 28 2015 17:11 Breshke wrote:
But yeah im still not here so ignore this post
No idea what it is supposed to mean. Don't get offended and defend yourself.
When you're done with TT's case, question time: what is your current read (with explanations) of Sulfurus ?
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