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On July 26 2015 18:43 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 18:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
btw in case i die DO NOT, i repeat DO NOT lynch into people who voted for Barakos.
It is WAY more likely there are zero, or at most one mafia in that pool. I disagree. Barakos' last post was 16 hours into day 1, so we can assume he accepted his lynch by at most mid day. Every vote after that could be mafia, especially since reasonning is so easy to make to vote him. Actually people ONLY talking about him are suspicious. I'm thinking of sulfu who posted nothing for the first half of D1, then talked almost exclusively of Barkos on the other half.
That is WIFOM because you cannot prove Barakos went to scum QT and said "hey i am done here, bus me".
If you cannot prove that you must assume he is coming back and going to contribute/defend himself, which makes it more likely mafia does not want to bus him at this point.
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I never said you are scum for your Tarot shit Tictock.
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On July 26 2015 16:41 Tictock wrote:So... Based on this I'm going to go ahead and look at everyone votes and reads who were on Bara. raynpelikoneet - a bit weird kus of his Vote post being drop-in and the read evolving based on it... probably town due to the solid push... tinfoil hat says keep eyes on him. + Show Spoiler +Dropped into the game with his Vote and a bunch of town reads. On July 24 2015 16:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Damdred town.
Noobking town.
Ruxxar town.
Moosy town.
Dis-something guy town.
Barakos mafia.
##vote Barakos Posts 2 questions towards Bara, which seemed like leading questions to me kinda like Bara being scum was a fordrawn conclusion. On July 24 2015 18:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Barakos claims he is scummy.
Barakos why would you make intentionally scummy posts as town? On July 24 2015 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Barakos i would like you to elaborate onto your read on Barakos.
Why is the post you have been called out for scummy? Begins to push Bara as scum pretty hard after these posts On July 25 2015 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you guys think Barakos is really reaction testing people when he specifically points a finger on me, when my reaction is to vote for him he has nothing to say about it? On July 25 2015 03:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 03:17 Rels wrote:On July 25 2015 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you guys think Barakos is really reaction testing people when he specifically points a finger on me, when my reaction is to vote for him he has nothing to say about it? No I think he's likely scum. But I gave him until tomorrow to post more stuff and convince me. Why is that? He is clearly lying since he should be interested in what i said about him: - He kinda called me mafia as a part of his "reaction test" - He literally should expect a reaction (that results in a read or questions) from me - Three people called him mafia, me, you and Damdred - He gives a TOWNREAD on you two (yeah like if he is town why the fuck would you and Damdred be TOWN for calling out scummy stuff that a townie did? like if i was mafia i would totally jump on that - there is no reason to give you a townread for it in the first place) yet he has NOTHING to say about me, who HE called out in the first place. yeah that dude is scum. On July 25 2015 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 03:43 Rels wrote:On July 25 2015 03:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2015 03:31 Rels wrote:
Meh I will have to reread carefully but I'm pretty sure he said it was a reaction test for those playing in newbie X.
Okay let's imagine this is the case. None of those people have played with me. Why would he, if that was the case, EVER bring up my opening post (which was btw the first post in the game - it literally means nothing whatever i post unless i claim something) and later on say it was a PART of the reaction test? Unless he wants a reaction from me? People who haven't played with me cannot possibly know how i open up my games (if that even mattered; see above). Meh maybe. I think the argument of the reaction test being a lie is much stronger. Like there are three things, from strongest to weakest, why he is mafia: 1) I am certain, if that was a reaction test, he would have had a reaction to my reaction. Instead he has a reaction to you and Damdred's responds. 2) There is no reason he should townread anyone for scumreading him for doing scummy stuff. rofl, that's like a mafia heaven, you can make a LEGITMATE CASE ON A TOWNIE (assume you are mafia here - you see a townie pull off a fucking scummy post, why wouldn't you call them out for it?). People who do reaction tests do not think like this. 3) His read on disinformation The push was good, but dropping into the game with the vote on Bara combined with the buildup in his read makes this look weird to me. It's WIFOM as hell, but I could totally see this as a bus.
"tinfoil hat says keep eyes on him."
"I could totally see this as a bus."
"totally not thinking there is a chance you are mafia"
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On July 26 2015 18:51 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 18:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 26 2015 18:43 Rels wrote:On July 26 2015 18:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
btw in case i die DO NOT, i repeat DO NOT lynch into people who voted for Barakos.
It is WAY more likely there are zero, or at most one mafia in that pool. I disagree. Barakos' last post was 16 hours into day 1, so we can assume he accepted his lynch by at most mid day. Every vote after that could be mafia, especially since reasonning is so easy to make to vote him. Actually people ONLY talking about him are suspicious. I'm thinking of sulfu who posted nothing for the first half of D1, then talked almost exclusively of Barkos on the other half. That is WIFOM because you cannot prove Barakos went to scum QT and said "hey i am done here, bus me". If you cannot prove that you must assume he is coming back and going to contribute/defend himself, which makes it more likely mafia does not want to bus him at this point. Like you said, we shouldn't assume anything.
Not true. We should assume the most logical thing is the correct one.
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TicTock you still need to explain where i have parroted other's reads.
Shouldn't be hard for you as you called me mafia for it.
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Here i help you out since for some reason you are incapable of reading my filter:
Barakos:
On July 25 2015 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 03:43 Rels wrote:On July 25 2015 03:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2015 03:31 Rels wrote:
Meh I will have to reread carefully but I'm pretty sure he said it was a reaction test for those playing in newbie X.
Okay let's imagine this is the case. None of those people have played with me. Why would he, if that was the case, EVER bring up my opening post (which was btw the first post in the game - it literally means nothing whatever i post unless i claim something) and later on say it was a PART of the reaction test? Unless he wants a reaction from me? People who haven't played with me cannot possibly know how i open up my games (if that even mattered; see above). Meh maybe. I think the argument of the reaction test being a lie is much stronger. Like there are three things, from strongest to weakest, why he is mafia: 1) I am certain, if that was a reaction test, he would have had a reaction to my reaction. Instead he has a reaction to you and Damdred's responds. 2) There is no reason he should townread anyone for scumreading him for doing scummy stuff. rofl, that's like a mafia heaven, you can make a LEGITMATE CASE ON A TOWNIE (assume you are mafia here - you see a townie pull off a fucking scummy post, why wouldn't you call them out for it?). People who do reaction tests do not think like this. 3) His read on disinformation
NocturneMage:
On July 25 2015 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 23:18 NocturneMage wrote:On July 24 2015 10:07 n00bKing wrote:On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote:
And then I come to reread and ruxxars style just gives me more headaches. -.-
Dunno, what to make of it atm, last time someone used poetry in a game it confused the hell out of me and 2 of the 3 reads I got from it were utter bullshit, so for now, I'll not jump to any conclusions about ruxxar, based on that style, but would really appreciate it, if this changes sometime soon... I think I'm in the same boat with you. I don't want to tell anyone how to play, but I would rather see that stop. Barakos wrote:
Kinda strongly dislike rayn for coming in and making an alibi-post, that kinda reads like he won't be here for the rest of the dayphase... let's just hope, that's not the case and there will be more posts from him. I'll be pretty surprised if he just completely bails on Day 1. What kind of example would that set for the newbies?! Barakos wrote:
Noobking - totally top town for being able to count lulz Well I'm trying to see past the poetry and just look at the words he's using to describe people, although I see Damdred was able to get a read off ruxxar, my only hesitation with Damdred is when he says "tone and frequency" how is he so sure that ruXxar or anyone else isn't faking the tone with his poetry? I know the argument is made that mafia have hard time making reads but I thought from some of the games I've read before mafia can spam the thread too, so the frequency part of the argument doesn't make sense to me. As for the disformation read, he is saying he waffles a lot which makes me hesistant to read him town, I don't know if he should be scum whether he's trying to make an excuse for himself early on but I need to read the rest of the thread. I don't like the bolded part at all.
On July 25 2015 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I also don't like the fact basically every read of his is "could be this BUT could also be that".
Now who said these things before i did?
Also no, you attacked Rels based on his read on NocturneMage instead of commenting on the read itself.
The same thing you did with me and Barakos. Apparently you even thought, at that point, that NM is mafia, so it makes very little sense to me, and that was the original reason i think you are mafia. Not your Tarot thing. I said it was counter-productive at best.
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So are you scum by your own definition because you pushed Moosy only after ruxxar did so?
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Oh you didn't?
Then why did you say all the people you mentioned here is more or less scummy later on?
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Like this is literally what you said.
On July 26 2015 04:02 Tictock wrote:
My reads have been pretty clear all game even if it doesn't look like it, pretty much everyone I gave a card to when I first hopped in was a scum read or lean at that point
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So let me clarify.
You have a scumlean on NM.
Rels points out how NM is scummy in his opinion.
You, instead of discussing the argument, attack Rels (who is not your scumread).
If this is how you think/play as town you probably should re-think a bit before posting.
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Why did you actually think NM was scummy in the first place?
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On July 26 2015 19:42 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 19:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Like this is literally what you said. On July 26 2015 04:02 Tictock wrote:
My reads have been pretty clear all game even if it doesn't look like it, pretty much everyone I gave a card to when I first hopped in was a scum read or lean at that point
First 4 were my scummiest reads at the time. NM and Flex had hardly posted anything at the time so I was hoping to get more from them. Like whats so hard to understand?
It is not hard to understand and it makes sense.
It doesn't make sense that you (1) attacked Rels for his read, for it accomplishes the same you are claiming you were doing when (2) you weren't actually doing that because noone understood what your cards meant and didn't care (because it's confusing).
So like, that doesn't really make sense that you were "hoping to get more from them" when impossible-to-understand-Tarot-cards is the way you approached the situation.
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Like i am being honest here.
You do alot of weird things that don't really line up with what you claim you are in fact doing when asked for explanation. There is a lot of stuff that's really confusing because the explanation does not add up to what you post in thread.
If you are town i suggest you start being clear, because right now you aren't, and that makes me think you are mafia.
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On July 26 2015 19:49 Breshke wrote:
I also like noobking even more now for his post on we should be looking for the most scummy people not the people most likely to bus because the later is stupid.
tbh this means nothing because he is strongly implying Barakos was bussed.
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The post where he says "likely to bus" does not equal "has to be bussed"?
It's basic logic and just not alignment indicative.
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Off-topic, yo ushould all listen to [UoN]Sentinel's classical piano songs. It's very good scumhunting music.
Ask Sebastian the crab, he'll know.
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On July 26 2015 23:03 disformation wrote:
TBH I think Flexes disappearance could also have been something RL related or something. Like he disappears mid-sentence and doesn't even return to vote. Wouldn't be surprised if he ware to replace out or gets modkilled. So he feels a bit more like a policy lunch to me than actual scum.
Flexes would have already been replaced if he had some RL-related problem.
Unless he hasn't PM'd the hosts, which is his own fault.
Basically do not count on someone getting replaced.
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On July 27 2015 02:15 Damdred wrote:
You are in a self confirming spiral Noob. No matter what rels says/does you are interpreting it as scummy
Town contradicts themselves a lot more in my ! experiences than scum does. Its what it is and rayn is correct that we shouldn't assume anything so not sure why rels is scummy for that
tbh everything he posts looks like a spiral.
he gets in arguments that lead nowhere, ever.
there is no single specific argument from him that is cut and clear, everything is just some weird spiral that takes fucking hours to decipher.
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Like it looks like he is arguing for the sake of arguing.
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On July 27 2015 02:38 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 02:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
there is no single specific argument from him that is cut and clear, everything is just some weird spiral that takes fucking hours to decipher. I feel like everyone of my specific arguments is cut and clear. If there is any one of them that you're having a hard time "deciphering" then just let me know what it is, and I'll make every effort to crystallize it for you.
I mean everything takes so fucking long to argue.
The fact that Rels (even if he was mafia) can actually argue with you for DAYS and NOONE thinks he is scum for what you say should be self-evident. You are doing something wrong, or you are wrong.
On top of that i have absolutely no idea where you stand. Hell i don't even fucking know if you think Rels is your top mafia candidate or if not, who is. I have zero idea what your reads are, you just have big arguments about everything with everyone. I have no idea what your reads are and why. And that's bad.
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