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On July 25 2015 04:53 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 04:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2015 04:38 Tictock wrote:Most of my reads will have to come later tonight when I have decent time, besides much like reading tarot reading people can often be an interesting battle of interpretations. This causes the read to change and flow as new elements are discovered. For now... On July 24 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:Alright here I go. On July 24 2015 07:08 NocturneMage wrote:
RNG gave me town, thank God. I'm having a beer or two. Might be three. Not sure yet.
ruXxar sounds like he's sick of playing scum though.
Although if the moderator is going to make this a Pokemon themed game, I really don't know what to say. This first post from NocturneMage seems very prepared to me. And prepared post = scumlean. Why is it prepared ? Let me show you. RNG gave me town, thank God. I'm having a beer or two. Might be three. Not sure yet. <= VT claim + fluff about beer. ruXxar sounds like he's sick of playing scum though. <= Discussion about something in game. Although if the moderator is going to make this a Pokemon themed game, I really don't know what to say. <= Funny remark about host. So three different subjects in first post = prepared post. And prepared post means he may be afraid to post, hence why he prepared it so much. Plus in his later posts there are lots of questions + "i'm a noob" statement. See spoiler for source. It could mean he is mafia doesn't know what to talk about; could also just mean he's newbie and doesn't know what to talk about. So NAI. + Show Spoiler +On July 24 2015 07:22 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
ruXxar stop speaking like that. You're not speaking honestly you're flavoring your tone and what we need is your regular tone. He seems relieved to be town, assuming he's telling the truth, though the poetry makes me think he's more high than he is mafia. Do you think he's mafia? On July 24 2015 07:27 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On a different note, if you tunnel on me again I will make sure you die. Is that alignment indicative for ruXxar? I'm guessing it is if that was a scum game of his? On July 24 2015 07:32 NocturneMage wrote:
Well it's my first game here and most of my mafia experience is from real life. It seems harder to fake being town in real life and I can't see it being much different on forum mafia with the body language and tone of voice aside. On July 24 2015 07:39 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:34 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 07:32 NocturneMage wrote:
Well it's my first game here and most of my mafia experience is from real life. It seems harder to fake being town in real life and I can't see it being much different on forum mafia with the body language and tone of voice aside. Tell me of your experience with real life mafia. My curiosity is peaked. I played it a lot at parties in uni and in grad school. It was the party game of party games. I also have played a board game called Resistance which is somewhat similar except people don't die but you also do figure out if people are lying or not and try to include them on your team or not and then pass or fail the expedition party. What is your experience with mafia or is forums just it? On July 24 2015 07:41 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:24 disformation wrote:
Hm I would read ruxxars posts so far as NAI.
Not alignment indicative. The poetry stuff could have been preplanned. The tone is all fluff. *shrugs*
But then again, breaking the ice on D1 is kinda hard. xD It would seem like it. I don't know if I should make anything the way he's addressing people, ignoring his poetry, that could come from town or mafia. I'm assuming no ill-will means a town read? or a null read? I can't tell actually. ruxxar is that even a read on noobking? So, ##Vote NocturneMage@NocturneMage: if you're town, I want you to read Flexes' filter, who is also playing his first game. Only two posts, but he already discussed something relevant to the game. If you don't know: in the OP, if you click Flexes' name, you have access to all the posts he did in this thread. I find it very interesting that Rels decided to dedicate his entire opening to attack another players opening. The entire time I was reading his idea about Noc giving us a forced opening post I'm thinking "what a forced read on someone this is" Rels even mentions
Plus in his later posts there are lots of questions + "i'm a noob" statement. See spoiler for source. It could mean he is mafia doesn't know what to talk about; could also just mean he's newbie and doesn't know what to talk about. So NAI.
But why does that not apply to his opening post as well? so is NocturneMage scummy or not? Interesting you ignore that my post is regarding Rels and instead want me to discuss Noc... For now I'm not certain of either, but they are far from my top scum atm. Consider them weak townreads for now... Rayn on the other hand has a strong possibility of being mafia... His pushiness and argumentative nature have been very telling to me. Especially when it seems a lot of his points of discussion were brought up by others...
How about you answer me first?
Then we can talk about your read.
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Oh sorry i just read the first sentence and it was so obscure.
Okay so, one more question, who are your scumreads?
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On July 25 2015 04:58 ruXxar wrote:
Only reason rayn is scum here is for abusing town sentiment of bad barakos post to push a mis-lynch.
Otherwise I think rayn is town.
you can argue that on N1.
Or i can argue you are scum if Barakos flips mafia.
hint: take a stance. if you think Barakos is town push another lynch then, because i am pushing a mislynch and if you are town you do not want to mislynch.
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On July 25 2015 05:02 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2015 04:58 ruXxar wrote:
Only reason rayn is scum here is for abusing town sentiment of bad barakos post to push a mis-lynch.
Otherwise I think rayn is town. you can argue that on N1. Or i can argue you are scum if Barakos flips mafia. hint: take a stance. if you think Barakos is town push another lynch then, because i am pushing a mislynch and if you are town you do not want to mislynch. Don't you worry, moosy is my #1 mafia all day every day.
how about you convince the rest of us to vote for him them?
and tell me how my case is bad.
right now you only have dumb reasons (sorry if i am being rude here) to think my case is bad. or rather, you haven't even commented on my case in any way, you just bring up reasons why Barakos COULD be town instead of arguing why the scummy stuff is not scummy.
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On July 25 2015 05:05 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 03:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:Rels i thought Mooseguy is town for this post: On July 24 2015 10:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Ooooh boy this post. This post this post this post. You might be onto something here Damdred. That's how i tend to post sometimes. It's how a few of the veterans around here post sometimes. And Moosy has picked up some of the mannerisms and stylings of those players. Just because he now says something that sounds like "how you tend to post sometimes" doesn't mean it is anything like how he would have tended to post before he got here. You see the same thing when some of the Newbs will start playfully taunting one another and calling each other "bby" with winky faces. It's mimicry. I don't think this makes Moosy more suspicious, because I've seen the same mimicry from him when he was Town. But don't let it make you think he is LESS suspicious, either.
why is he suspicious then?
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On July 25 2015 05:06 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 05:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2015 05:02 ruXxar wrote:On July 25 2015 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2015 04:58 ruXxar wrote:
Only reason rayn is scum here is for abusing town sentiment of bad barakos post to push a mis-lynch.
Otherwise I think rayn is town. you can argue that on N1. Or i can argue you are scum if Barakos flips mafia. hint: take a stance. if you think Barakos is town push another lynch then, because i am pushing a mislynch and if you are town you do not want to mislynch. Don't you worry, moosy is my #1 mafia all day every day. how about you convince the rest of us to vote for him them? and tell me how my case is bad. right now you only have dumb reasons (sorry if i am being rude here) to think my case is bad. or rather, you haven't even commented on my case in any way, you just bring up reasons why Barakos COULD be town instead of arguing why the scummy stuff is not scummy. I didn't say your case is bad, I haven't evaluated it yet. And I don't like barakos posts at all tbh. I wouldn't be sad if he got lynched, but I think he's also an easy target if he's town. I'll give you input on barakos when I've read your case.
why are you even talking to me about this right now?
Like you LITERALLY said "only reason rayn is scum here is for abusing town sentiment of bad barakos post to push a mis-lynch".
go read then come back and do not derail the thread with useless shit please.
say things when you have things to say. you havent even read what i have to say yet you invent a narrative i could be scum for something you don't even know!?!?!?
why?
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On July 25 2015 05:09 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 05:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2015 05:02 ruXxar wrote:On July 25 2015 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2015 04:58 ruXxar wrote:
Only reason rayn is scum here is for abusing town sentiment of bad barakos post to push a mis-lynch.
Otherwise I think rayn is town. you can argue that on N1. Or i can argue you are scum if Barakos flips mafia. hint: take a stance. if you think Barakos is town push another lynch then, because i am pushing a mislynch and if you are town you do not want to mislynch. Don't you worry, moosy is my #1 mafia all day every day. how about you convince the rest of us to vote for him them? and tell me how my case is bad. right now you only have dumb reasons (sorry if i am being rude here) to think my case is bad. or rather, you haven't even commented on my case in any way, you just bring up reasons why Barakos COULD be town instead of arguing why the scummy stuff is not scummy. Why moosy is scum: Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 00:27 ruXxar wrote:Don't like moosy at all: To breshke: Have you played with ruXxar before? When he's townie he posts a lot of filler posts although his townie tone is glaringly obvious. He also never makes firm cases and mostly sheeps cases although he sometimes points out things no one else noticed. So it's not uncommon for him to not post alignments and just create conversation with others. It's mostly up to us to start making reads based off the conversation he starts. So he never really makes alignment reads. And anyway, even if you expected him to give his alignment reads (which isn't what he really does) To be brutally honest, I can honestly see ruXxar not getting any reads off of his poetry spam To me: I still hate you. Spot spouting poetry shit and get to business you fool. Traps D1 like this are so bad it's ridiculous. It's completely dependent on the Mafia making a slip while people jump on your wagon. In either case, no one is taking you seriously at this point because of your poetry nonsense so you might as well just stop at this point. It's the last few hours we have. Get down to business. Bro, what the fuck is the point of all this spam when all you're going to say is "i don't know" from your reads of the reactions to your spam? You got the reactions you wanted. Multiple conversations have started from those reactions. It's time for you to get down to business, drop the act, start posting reads Lynch with fire.
I have a really hard time seeing why he is mafia based on that.
"ruxx does not give reads as town" != "i can't ever ask ruxx to give reads"
why does it make him mafia to be exact?
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damdred this tic-tac-toe guy is also scum i am pretty sure of it.
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On July 25 2015 05:16 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2015 05:06 ruXxar wrote:On July 25 2015 05:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2015 05:02 ruXxar wrote:On July 25 2015 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2015 04:58 ruXxar wrote:
Only reason rayn is scum here is for abusing town sentiment of bad barakos post to push a mis-lynch.
Otherwise I think rayn is town. you can argue that on N1. Or i can argue you are scum if Barakos flips mafia. hint: take a stance. if you think Barakos is town push another lynch then, because i am pushing a mislynch and if you are town you do not want to mislynch. Don't you worry, moosy is my #1 mafia all day every day. how about you convince the rest of us to vote for him them? and tell me how my case is bad. right now you only have dumb reasons (sorry if i am being rude here) to think my case is bad. or rather, you haven't even commented on my case in any way, you just bring up reasons why Barakos COULD be town instead of arguing why the scummy stuff is not scummy. I didn't say your case is bad, I haven't evaluated it yet. And I don't like barakos posts at all tbh. I wouldn't be sad if he got lynched, but I think he's also an easy target if he's town. I'll give you input on barakos when I've read your case. why are you even talking to me about this right now? Like you LITERALLY said "only reason rayn is scum here is for abusing town sentiment of bad barakos post to push a mis-lynch". go read then come back and do not derail the thread with useless shit please. say things when you have things to say. you havent even read what i have to say yet you invent a narrative i could be scum for something you don't even know!?!?!? why? Because it's logic. What you say is not as important as what you do. Putting things in context it's plausible that mafia want to push barakos for his bad post. It's also possible that mafia aren't touching barakos with a 10 feet pole to draw suspicion to him and are trying to subtly defend him. wow logic *mindexplosion.gif*
comment on the case please.
do not sidetrack. that's all you are doing right now in case you somehow cannot see it yourself.
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On July 25 2015 05:18 Damdred wrote:
You could be right rayn currently I want Barajas dead the most.
After that I have like a group of 4 people I kinda want dead
okay who?
i think scum are barakos, tictack, nocturne.
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On July 25 2015 05:25 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 05:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2015 05:09 ruXxar wrote:On July 25 2015 05:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2015 05:02 ruXxar wrote:On July 25 2015 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2015 04:58 ruXxar wrote:
Only reason rayn is scum here is for abusing town sentiment of bad barakos post to push a mis-lynch.
Otherwise I think rayn is town. you can argue that on N1. Or i can argue you are scum if Barakos flips mafia. hint: take a stance. if you think Barakos is town push another lynch then, because i am pushing a mislynch and if you are town you do not want to mislynch. Don't you worry, moosy is my #1 mafia all day every day. how about you convince the rest of us to vote for him them? and tell me how my case is bad. right now you only have dumb reasons (sorry if i am being rude here) to think my case is bad. or rather, you haven't even commented on my case in any way, you just bring up reasons why Barakos COULD be town instead of arguing why the scummy stuff is not scummy. Why moosy is scum: On July 25 2015 00:27 ruXxar wrote:Don't like moosy at all: To breshke: Have you played with ruXxar before? When he's townie he posts a lot of filler posts although his townie tone is glaringly obvious. He also never makes firm cases and mostly sheeps cases although he sometimes points out things no one else noticed. So it's not uncommon for him to not post alignments and just create conversation with others. It's mostly up to us to start making reads based off the conversation he starts. So he never really makes alignment reads. And anyway, even if you expected him to give his alignment reads (which isn't what he really does) To be brutally honest, I can honestly see ruXxar not getting any reads off of his poetry spam To me: I still hate you. Spot spouting poetry shit and get to business you fool. Traps D1 like this are so bad it's ridiculous. It's completely dependent on the Mafia making a slip while people jump on your wagon. In either case, no one is taking you seriously at this point because of your poetry nonsense so you might as well just stop at this point. It's the last few hours we have. Get down to business. Bro, what the fuck is the point of all this spam when all you're going to say is "i don't know" from your reads of the reactions to your spam? You got the reactions you wanted. Multiple conversations have started from those reactions. It's time for you to get down to business, drop the act, start posting reads Lynch with fire. I have a really hard time seeing why he is mafia based on that. "ruxx does not give reads as town" != "i can't ever ask ruxx to give reads" why does it make him mafia to be exact? The issue is he tells breshke of all the expectations he has for me as town, and when I do all these "towny" things his reaction is "wtf" instead of "oh yeah that's town ruxx"
no it actaully isn't.
it's more of "give reads you idiot".
which is not contradicting in any way.
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btw he reads you town... so your case is really moot.
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On July 25 2015 05:30 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 05:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2015 05:18 Damdred wrote:
You could be right rayn currently I want Barajas dead the most.
After that I have like a group of 4 people I kinda want dead okay who? i think scum are barakos, tictack, nocturne. I second the question to Damdred.  Rayn why exactly do you think ticktoc is scum? I think I can guess, but I'd rather have you type it out in like 1-2 sentences or something.
he is calling someone mafia for the same things he does.
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no sorry, he is calling someone mafia for the things someone he is sorta defending did.
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On July 25 2015 05:31 n00bKing wrote:More on the topic of Barakos: Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 03:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He is clearly lying since he should be interested in what i said about him:
- He kinda called me mafia as a part of his "reaction test"
- He literally should expect a reaction (that results in a read or questions) from me
- Three people called him mafia, me, you and Damdred
- He gives a TOWNREAD on you two (yeah like if he is town why the fuck would you and Damdred be TOWN for calling out scummy stuff that a townie did? like if i was mafia i would totally jump on that - there is no reason to give you a townread for it in the first place) yet he has NOTHING to say about me, who HE called out in the first place. It is definitely possible that Barakos is scum. If he's scum, then I want you (rayn) to be successful in this attempt to get him lynched. But for you to get him lynched, your reasoning has to be sound, or Barakos can CORRECTLY point out the flaws in your arguments. So you need to be fair here, and try to get him lynched for things that ACTUALLY happened, and not just say whatever you think makes him look the worst. He didn't call you mafia in his reaction test. He said he disliked you for making an alibi post. And when someone quickly asked him point-blank about whether he meant that he just disliked the post in general, or if he thought the post was mafia-indicative, he said that he only disliked the post in general. Even so, I agree with you that he should expect a reaction from you. That doesn't mean that he's intending to gauge your reaction though. Your inclusion in the post could just be so that he can get reactions from other players, regarding what he's said about you. If they haven't played with you before, that's not an obstacle. They can still have an impression of what the post would mean from most players, even if they aren't sure of what it would mean from you specifically. If he was intending to gauge your reaction, it is possible that he is still doing so. This is a simple and straightforward explanation for why he would not have reacted to your reaction yet, and I don't get why you've overlooked it. As for why he would townread people for jumping all over his post (when you think it's something Mafia would definitely do) I can see a simple explanation for that too. Mafia might be wary of a trap/ruse. Town can just see a scummy post and say it's a scummy post. That's their job, so if they're just doing their job, they won't worry about the consequences. Mafia have a different job, and they have to balance "calling out a Town player for sounding scummy" (so that they can achieve mislynches) against the knowledge that if they can get the player lynched, they WILL flip Town. That's why scum players like to sheep arguments against Townies more than they like to MAKE arguments against Townies. It reduces accountability. So when Barakos (if he's Town) sees someone recklessly attack his post, he townreads them. There is a problem, though, with Barakos' explanation that he was only reaction-testing people he played with in Newbie X. Because although that would explain why he had nothing to say about you (rayn) it doesn't explain why he gave the townread to Damdred. Damdred was NOT in Newbie X. So if Barakos can use the reaction test to form an opinion on Damdred, he should be able to use it to form an opinion on you. I would want to see him try to explain this inconsistency.
I know i have a tendency to simplify things.
I should have said he called me out (which i did in the first place but noone understood my point).
Anyways the point stands. And i am pretty damn sure about this.
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noobking what is Moose's read on you?
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wow so weak.
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On July 24 2015 08:53 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 08:47 disformation wrote:
So far only 4/13 players have posted. Bit of shame. False. Barakos and rayn each made a throwaway post after the Day started. If we decide to "lynch all liars" we can start with you! \o/
how did i make a throwaway post?
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On July 25 2015 05:44 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 03:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2015 03:48 n00bKing wrote:On July 24 2015 15:23 Sulfurus wrote:On July 24 2015 10:34 n00bKing wrote:
I'll be interested to see what Sulfurus brings to the table in this game. I felt like it was pretty easy to distinguish his scum game from his Town game I could say the same about you. So this was the first post that was made after I left. I'm really surprised to see that no one has commented on it, in the 10 pages that have followed. Sulfurus definitely could not say the same about me, unless he knows me from outside these forums, and just hasn't told me so. On the off chance that Sulfurus actually participates more today: What did you mean by that? And otherwise: Can anyone else make sense of what he's saying there? He either means it's easy for him aswell to distinguish your townplay from scumplay. Or that he wants to know what you have to bring to the table this game. He can't only mean the second one. He already edited things out of my post, since it originally said scum game in Newbie XII and town game in Newbie X. He took those parts out, but still left the rest of the sentence, so he must want it there for a reason. And he can't mean that he finds it easy to distinguish my townplay from my scumplay, (again, unless he knows me from outside the forums) because I haven't drawn a scum role yet. Now YOU might not have known that I've only been Town so far, but some of the other players in this game do know that, so it's a really weird thing for Sulfurus to say. I can talk about how I compared his scum play to his town play in earlier games. He never had the chance to do the same things with my earlier games. There aren't any scum games to look at.
i was looking for this.
tbh i assumed this is what you were after (didn't know and too hard to check on phone, when i got home i forgot).
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