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n00bKing
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On July 24 2015 10:46 Breshke wrote: I'm going to cut in here and say im fairly sure damdred was being obtuse because he wants to see what moosey says. I think that maybe "obtuse" is not the word you meant to use here. Otherwise, this post is really strange... | ||
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n00bKing
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Okay. Vague (or even "obscure") would definitely make more sense than "obtuse." Anyway, I can apologize to Damdred if I stepped on his toes there, but it's definitely true that I've seen Scum players make posts that sounded just like his. Just to make it look like they were making posts, and taking positions. | ||
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n00bKing
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On July 24 2015 11:12 Damdred wrote: I think the general thought that I haven't taken a stance is incorrect. I don't believe anyone said you haven't taken a stance. Speaking just for myself, what I wanted was to know what your stance on ruXxar was based upon. To say that "there are some fairly obvious things that are different this game than his other games as scum" is a really powerful statement. And like I mentioned, scum will sometimes talk about how a person is playing differently than other games, but then not go into specifics. So I wanted to see specifics. You've now added a second way in which ruXxar's play is different from his scum games, so my line of questioning is having the desired result. As I see it, you're saying that ruXxar's play in this game is different from his scum games in these two ways: A) He is free/happy B) He is not giving his rsoultin/oprah impersonation My follow-up questions would be: 1) Anything else? Or do those two things cover it for now? 2) What is an rsoultin/oprah impersonation? That means nothing to me. | ||
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n00bKing
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n00bKing
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So this was the first post that was made after I left. I'm really surprised to see that no one has commented on it, in the 10 pages that have followed. Sulfurus definitely could not say the same about me, unless he knows me from outside these forums, and just hasn't told me so. On the off chance that Sulfurus actually participates more today: What did you mean by that? And otherwise: Can anyone else make sense of what he's saying there? | ||
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n00bKing
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On July 24 2015 17:53 Rels wrote: This first post from NocturneMage seems very prepared to me. And prepared post = scumlean. Why is it prepared ? Let me show you. RNG gave me town, thank God. I'm having a beer or two. Might be three. Not sure yet. <= VT claim + fluff about beer. ruXxar sounds like he's sick of playing scum though. <= Discussion about something in game. Although if the moderator is going to make this a Pokemon themed game, I really don't know what to say. <= Funny remark about host. So three different subjects in first post = prepared post. And prepared post means he may be afraid to post, hence why he prepared it so much. All of this seems terrible. 1) Where are you getting the idea that there is a VT claim in there? 2) As has been mentioned, it doesn't make any sense to say that these three things add up to a "prepared post" when two of them are reactions to things that happened after the game began. So you changed gears and said that by "prepared post" you mean he thought about it a lot before posting, rather than meaning he prepared it before the game began. That explanation is hard to believe from you, because that's NOT how the term "prepared post" is used. It looks like you're changing your story after it's been pointed out that what you said can't be true. 3) Even if you DID mean "thought about it a lot before posting" from the get-go, how does it take a lot of thought to make either the second or third comments? Why are those not immediate off-the-cuff remarks, where he just put his thoughts to the page as soon as he had them? | ||
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n00bKing
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On July 24 2015 18:29 Rels wrote: If you played or read Newbie X, I would like to have your thoughts on Barakos' filter compared to Newbie X. I read Newbie X. At the time you made this post, Barakos didn't hardly HAVE a filter yet. I have read his filter just now, and will comment on it more later, though it continues to be very short. His filter from Newbie X was not short, but I also found his play in Newbie X to be completely unmemorable. He was one of only 2 players in that game that were basically null for me the entire way. sicklucker, ninjabunnies, those were players who made an impression. Plotspot made an impression. Ticktock's ludicrous tunnel of a very obviously Town Plotspot made an impression. I remember Breshke being the guy who was always saying things that didn't match my thoughts, but that seemed very Townie. While you (Rels) were the guy who was always saying things that WERE exactly my own thoughts. But Barakos was just...around. He was "also in that game" is what I remember about him. Looking at that filter now, he is sometimes authoritative, and likes to redirect discussion in the places he wants it to go. One big difference between that game and this one is that he came right out of the gate with a vote in that game, whereas he still has yet to vote in this game. His Town game from Newbie X looks fairly easy to replicate as Scum (which is probably why I never had a good townread on him in that game) but although it won't mean much if he DOES replicate it, it may mean something if he continues to NOT replicate it. On July 24 2015 18:29 Rels wrote: And whoever you are, I would like to have your thoughts about my post on NocturneMage. Way ahead of you.  | ||
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n00bKing
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On July 24 2015 21:55 Rels wrote: OK that makes little sense to me that you have two separates explanations for a sentence containing 7 words. I think I may be able to clear up this misunderstanding between Rels and ruXxar. When ruXxar says "it's from another voice mafia game" he could be talking about the "finnski claims cop" line, instead of still talking about the Yakuza claim. | ||
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n00bKing
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On July 24 2015 19:41 Tictock wrote: Drew a few cards for some of ya. I would appreciate it if you could take a look at your card and give me your impression of it. NO. disformation wrote: Hmmm... I know these cards have meanings. Do you have any interpretation of these? Can you link these interpretations to their posts so far? Can I has a card, too? Do NOT do this. If Ticktock is clogging up the thread with that useless filler, why would you engage him about it? Make him play the game for real, as you see other players demanding him to. | ||
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n00bKing
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On July 24 2015 22:58 NocturneMage wrote: I'm looking through ruXxar's posts and just ignoring his poetry for now. The poetry alone makes him high, not mafia. My inclination to read him null or slight mafia at best comes from his hesitation in reading noobking and even after later pages he talks to noob but doesn't have a read on him. I can't see a reason for that. He calls him edgy and stiff and this is in spite of saying he's going to engage in his own way. He doesn't seem to be committing to an actual read on n00bking, and mafia need to make up reads, so this appears to me he's trying to do something like that. The response to Breshke makes no sense...."between town and PR" I'm guessing that means power role? If so, why are you suggesting who might be a power role in the open? Because ruXxar does stuff that he shouldn't. Get used to that. In any case, the response to Breshke that you just mentioned shows that ruXxar DID give a read on me. Which seems to wreck the rest of your post. Are there any other reasons why you would scumlean ruXxar? | ||
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n00bKing
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On July 24 2015 23:19 MoosyDoosy wrote: Bro, what the fuck is the point of all this spam when all you're going to say is "i don't know" from your reads of the reactions to your spam? You got the reactions you wanted. Multiple conversations have started from those reactions. It's time for you to get down to business, drop the act, start posting reads, and start to help town. Don't you realize? No one is taking your poetry spam seriously anymore and it's already lost its desired effect. So hurry up and do something productive. This post from me will probably not be productive. But I don't think I can keep myself from making it. First off, ruXxar comparing me to a "shiny dodacahedron" almost makes everything else he said in his annoying posting style WORTH it. Almost. Second, I have to wonder if your post to him is just copied and pasted from things I said to you in Newbie XII, when you were being equally useful. My efforts to make you wake up and start participating in the game took quite a while to have any effect. | ||
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n00bKing
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On July 24 2015 23:42 ruXxar wrote: Damdred: - don't like opening post, forced. - tone read on me, same read he had last game when he was mafia, too certain. ...weren't you scum in that game too, though? If you're Town this game, then being suspicious of him because he reads you the same way he did when you were both scum is...curious. | ||
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n00bKing
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On July 25 2015 01:45 MoosyDoosy wrote: Can I just point out this shitty play for you all? If we're trying to create a good town atmosphere you're supposed to accept what people say and bounce thoughts off of others to create a productive atmosphere. Statements like these just brushes other's thoughts away creating a shitty atmosphere. I don't think it is reasonable for you to expect ruXxar to just "accept what people say" when what you're saying is that he's a godawful idiot. No one wants to believe that about themselves. And he is right about what he says in that quote. I have definitely seen Mafia players attack Townies on a personal level instead of attacking their arguments, for at least a couple of reasons. For one, attacking their arguments could be difficult, if they're RIGHT (not saying that's the case here) and secondly, because attacking the Town player on a personal level can make them emotional, and if they're reacting emotionally, they aren't thinking logically. | ||
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n00bKing
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On July 25 2015 03:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Rels i thought Mooseguy is town for this post: That's how i tend to post sometimes. It's how a few of the veterans around here post sometimes. And Moosy has picked up some of the mannerisms and stylings of those players. Just because he now says something that sounds like "how you tend to post sometimes" doesn't mean it is anything like how he would have tended to post before he got here. You see the same thing when some of the Newbs will start playfully taunting one another and calling each other "bby" with winky faces. It's mimicry. I don't think this makes Moosy more suspicious, because I've seen the same mimicry from him when he was Town. But don't let it make you think he is LESS suspicious, either. | ||
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n00bKing
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On July 25 2015 03:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: He is clearly lying since he should be interested in what i said about him: - He kinda called me mafia as a part of his "reaction test" - He literally should expect a reaction (that results in a read or questions) from me - Three people called him mafia, me, you and Damdred - He gives a TOWNREAD on you two (yeah like if he is town why the fuck would you and Damdred be TOWN for calling out scummy stuff that a townie did? like if i was mafia i would totally jump on that - there is no reason to give you a townread for it in the first place) yet he has NOTHING to say about me, who HE called out in the first place. It is definitely possible that Barakos is scum. If he's scum, then I want you (rayn) to be successful in this attempt to get him lynched. But for you to get him lynched, your reasoning has to be sound, or Barakos can CORRECTLY point out the flaws in your arguments. So you need to be fair here, and try to get him lynched for things that ACTUALLY happened, and not just say whatever you think makes him look the worst. He didn't call you mafia in his reaction test. He said he disliked you for making an alibi post. And when someone quickly asked him point-blank about whether he meant that he just disliked the post in general, or if he thought the post was mafia-indicative, he said that he only disliked the post in general. Even so, I agree with you that he should expect a reaction from you. That doesn't mean that he's intending to gauge your reaction though. Your inclusion in the post could just be so that he can get reactions from other players, regarding what he's said about you. If they haven't played with you before, that's not an obstacle. They can still have an impression of what the post would mean from most players, even if they aren't sure of what it would mean from you specifically. If he was intending to gauge your reaction, it is possible that he is still doing so. This is a simple and straightforward explanation for why he would not have reacted to your reaction yet, and I don't get why you've overlooked it. As for why he would townread people for jumping all over his post (when you think it's something Mafia would definitely do) I can see a simple explanation for that too. Mafia might be wary of a trap/ruse. Town can just see a scummy post and say it's a scummy post. That's their job, so if they're just doing their job, they won't worry about the consequences. Mafia have a different job, and they have to balance "calling out a Town player for sounding scummy" (so that they can achieve mislynches) against the knowledge that if they can get the player lynched, they WILL flip Town. That's why scum players like to sheep arguments against Townies more than they like to MAKE arguments against Townies. It reduces accountability. So when Barakos (if he's Town) sees someone recklessly attack his post, he townreads them. There is a problem, though, with Barakos' explanation that he was only reaction-testing people he played with in Newbie X. Because although that would explain why he had nothing to say about you (rayn) it doesn't explain why he gave the townread to Damdred. Damdred was NOT in Newbie X. So if Barakos can use the reaction test to form an opinion on Damdred, he should be able to use it to form an opinion on you. I would want to see him try to explain this inconsistency. | ||
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n00bKing
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On July 25 2015 03:54 Tictock wrote: Gentlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen ... We have hardly used up even half our day! There is still yet some time to play... So much needless aggression, you realize you are more likely to shove a brother than an enemy? If you try to shove an enemy, you might accidentally shove a brother. If you don't try to shove anyone, Town can never win this game. We are nearly halfway through the Phase, and a strong majority of players have not even cast a vote yet. I'll be moving my vote soon, but I will not bother to "unvote" yet. I always hate it when a player "unvotes" without putting his vote on anyone else. Put your vote SOMEWHERE. Role PMs for VT sometimes say something like "your only weapon is your vote." We know that 80% of the Town players in this game are Vanilla. We should be USING OUR WEAPONS. | ||
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n00bKing
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On July 25 2015 03:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: He either means it's easy for him aswell to distinguish your townplay from scumplay. Or that he wants to know what you have to bring to the table this game. He can't only mean the second one. He already edited things out of my post, since it originally said scum game in Newbie XII and town game in Newbie X. He took those parts out, but still left the rest of the sentence, so he must want it there for a reason. And he can't mean that he finds it easy to distinguish my townplay from my scumplay, (again, unless he knows me from outside the forums) because I haven't drawn a scum role yet. Now YOU might not have known that I've only been Town so far, but some of the other players in this game do know that, so it's a really weird thing for Sulfurus to say. I can talk about how I compared his scum play to his town play in earlier games. He never had the chance to do the same things with my earlier games. There aren't any scum games to look at. | ||
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n00bKing
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On July 25 2015 04:25 ruXxar wrote: What's your opinion on moosy? What do you think about my evaluation of you being more warm and jokey than usual? I don't have a particularly strong opinion on Moosy yet. He does not sound much like himself from Newbie XI (where he was Town), and he does not sound much like himself from the beginning of Newbie XII (where he was Town). But he sounds very much like himself from the second half of Newbie XII (where he was Town) after he cut the crap. I don't think I have directed many posts at him in this game, because his posts have not really given me any reason to question him on things. Your evaluation of me being warm? Do you mean his evaluation? Because he brought it up before you did. And if you also think I am more warm and jokey than usual, I would give you the same explanation I gave him. You are both right about that. But I have said why that's the case. | ||
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n00bKing
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On July 25 2015 04:36 Rels wrote: Mate you can disagree with my post but the way you attack me is uncalled for. Well you're probably not going to like this post any better then... Point 1 is useless. Well whose fault is that? You're the one who made the observation that he is claiming VT, not me. If the point is useless, I blame you for raising it. You have since said that you accidentally used "VT" to just mean "Town." If that were true, then I don't know why you mentioned it at all. There's no point in calling attention to someone claiming Town, when players claiming Town is so commonplace. This looks to me like ANOTHER instance of you changing your story after the fact, once someone has pointed out that what you originally said is nonsense. Point 2 in particular is a whole lot of nothing, i used prepared post to mean he prepared his post before posting it So you say. Point 3 should have been the only content of your post. I can understand why you think its not scum indicative when I do. YOU ARE MISREPRESENTING MY POSITION. Read it again. I did not only say that his remarks are not scum indicative. That would be an extremely subjective opinion, that you would be perfectly free to disagree with. Rather, I asked you to explain how those posts show that there was forethought behind them. Why are those not just off-the-cuff remarks, where he put his thought to the page as soon as he had them? I didn't tell you that what you think happened is NAI. I told you that I want evidence that what you think happened actually happened at all. Here, I'll help you focus. ##Unvote ##Vote: Rels | ||
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n00bKing
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On July 25 2015 04:53 ruXxar wrote: How so? It's the lazy man approach. Damdred thinks like this: "Fuck I am scum again, boring shit" "Ruxx said a lot of crap" "I know ruxx is town, so how do I convey that without TIMI" "I'll just use my random tone-read I used last game done deal" I guess it makes more sense as a "lazy man approach" than anything else. But don't you think he would remember that you were teammates together in that game? And that he might expect you to notice that he's giving the same player the same type of read, as he did when he was Scum? I guess that could be a WIFOM play, but I don't know that he would try to WIFOM you when you're relatively new. | ||
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