EPTTL Mafia LXXI: Gaiden
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Does not compute. | ||
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chop chop boys and girls. | ||
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*semi retirement | ||
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On June 30 2015 00:24 geript wrote: Are you saying that because your retirement is hard but it could be much much harder? it can always be much much harder. Especially when nurses outfits are involved. | ||
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On June 30 2015 02:02 KelsierSC wrote: hah gay-den ... i'll get my coat na, you've pitched that right on my level :p /in someone who shall remain nameless guilted me into it On June 30 2015 04:52 WaveofShadow wrote: *exasperated sigh* sorry dad x | ||
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On June 30 2015 05:49 Clarity_nl wrote: Woooo! I'm back and marv is in, happy days. Very happy to see you back my friend  | ||
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he doesn't know it yet. | ||
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On July 06 2015 07:44 KelsierSC wrote: also i found marv on chesstempo and he is pretty damn good of course. | ||
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On July 06 2015 08:04 Damdred wrote: Clarity if you haven't played with hf much who is arguably the best scum player on site. Why do you 100% lack any fear in reading him on precious few posts? not arguably; clearly. | ||
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On July 06 2015 08:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Holyflare might be mafia for thinking that Marv is mafia. My vote is serious now. townpile #pocketed | ||
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On July 06 2015 09:14 Holyflare wrote: Player List 1) Marvellosity 2) Scott31337 3) WaveofShadow (filter) 4) Clarity_nl (filter) 5) ruXxar (filter) <--- pretty sure 12) Trfel (filter) 16) KelsierSC (filter) 20) Damdred (filter) 21) rsoultin (filter) 24) Holyflare (filter) given i agree on ruXxar/kelsier/damdred and i have very few other good townleans up to where i am by this post (+obi, love obi) i don't understand what you're trying to achieve by cornering me when i've not played yet? you know very well it's a pointless exercise, why don't you just sit and see? it's a good job your townreads look good. just read this post back and it's terribly worded. basically i like your townreads but i don't understand what you're trying to achieve with me, you know it's going to be counterproductive if i'm town. | ||
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On July 06 2015 09:21 geript wrote: You better start caring because you're not going to lynch him because I don't get to play with him often and we're both town. So find a different lynch to push. don't do this, no-one should be taking your word on Wave and you shouldn't be expecting people to. | ||
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On July 06 2015 09:28 KelsierSC wrote: marv do you like the bryer variation in the ruy? I play 1...c5 Breyer is solid though, if you like solid | ||
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On July 06 2015 13:31 rsoultin wrote: ksc, geript (w/ a grain of salt after joat lol) strongest townreads still deciding on whether or not i like the clarity push...i don't really get the logic on the "no way hf and i are both scum" bit marv could be scum agree to disagree on harkon ls xP but if he's new (and i think he is?) i can see the lack of reads and the weird thought process early, so will wait and see on that some other gut reads but nothing solid lol also @ oats: xPxPxPxPxP On July 06 2015 15:02 rsoultin wrote: no there really isn't anything else to my ls read lol >< i said it was trash tier for a reason, but i don't want to keep relying on other people to read him, if that makes any sense? i dunnae. i think it's pretty damn early to start scumreading ls for being "lazy," personally. or, rather, it certainly was at the time. if there was more to the scumread, maybe heh if there's anything that bothers me about geript it's his 100% he's throwing around willy nilly, but honestly he's arrogant enough for that, and i've liked the thought process behind most of his posting so far truffle wuffle, gonna play this game? xP consistent | ||
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On July 06 2015 15:28 ritoky wrote: milo, ls, ruxxar....1 of these is mafia. more to come later. this is very unritokyd1-like. Mafialean. | ||
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On July 06 2015 17:28 Trfel wrote: At the moment, I'm most suspicious of (in no order) scott31337, LightningStrike, and Holyflare. I'm suspicious of LightningStrike partially because of what Damdred said. While Damdred's point wasn't great, LightningStrike's response (looking up the games that were missing from his initial post) seems very telling. Furthermore, I don't think that LightningStrike has ever used the phrasing in the above quote as town. Usually, he says "please give me your reads" or "what are your reads, please" or something like that. In contrast, "care to give me your thoughts" is far more reserved. And the rest of LightningStrike's posting in this game is far more aggressive than I'm used to seeing from him. It feels like the strongest argument against LightningStrike is how his play has been affected by the pressure he's been under. As people bring up different things, he posts in different ways as a result. Side note, why are girls so confusing.... (and no, I'm not talking about anyone in this game) And why are you suspicious of the other 2? | ||
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On July 06 2015 19:49 Palmar wrote: It's tempting to just make up a reason to call marv mafia and tunnel that a bit until he gets mad and solves the game for me. because i'm definitely well known for game-solving when i'm being tunnelled, and i'm definitely not at all known for just getting pissed off about it and doing nothing but defend myself for ages definitely | ||
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don't believe this silly "1 of these 3 ppl is mafia" post. last time i played with him we mislynched him d2 because he literally refused to give scumreads out at any stage. And he always goes on about how proud he is of his d1 reads and how careful he is with giving them because he doesn't want to be wrong. Then this lazy throwaway post. boo. | ||
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i await your later hand-wringing with anticipation | ||
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On July 06 2015 20:53 Oatsmaster wrote: Im not gonna bother voting in the voting thread, just assume my vote is on clarity. Even boxer who isnt even you knows what im talking about clarity. I and everyone else will assume your vote is NOT on Clarity until you put it on Clarity. | ||
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On July 06 2015 21:00 Oatsmaster wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485712-carnaval-do-brasil-mafia?user=rsoultin&page=5 Shit load of xP, shes mafia. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/482487-hajime-no-ippo-maifa?user=rsoultin&page=9 way less xP, shes town. Clearly this is definitive proof that rsoul is mafia. Marv, you arent gonna look at the voting thread unless you vote. Its completely pointless to vote there unless you need to do it to not get modkilled and to actually make your vote count. I assume boxer doesnt exactly know what sheeping is. glad you're admitting your vote is worthless. | ||
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On July 06 2015 20:59 Harkon wrote: Take away the assholery and I agree with this post. Rsoultin might be mafia for this. Trfel has been really awkward so far. It seems like he is desperately trying to seem casual and derail the thread. I wouldn't mind one of those questions but this just doesn't look genuine. At this point I think this is forced. It's a little weird that you agree with HF on something rsoultin said, but then go on to say exactly the same thing HF said about Trfel (which he's been a lot more vocal about) but try to put it in your own words why not just say you agree with HF's Trfel read? You didn't add anything to what he said. | ||
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On July 06 2015 21:10 Harkon wrote: If this was Holyflare's main point then I missed that but I thought he called Trfel mafia for being uninteresting and lacking towny thoughts. What I posted is what I dislike the most about Trfel. If you think that this is exactly what HF said then consider it an agreement. Hadron not reading the thread very well, noted | ||
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On July 06 2015 21:54 Oatsmaster wrote: are you done with your town magic shit? Cause that wasnt very magical. I want a refund. good job i'm not here to please you, isn't it? | ||
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On July 06 2015 22:47 rsoultin wrote: Swahili I'm saying retardation is only alignment indicative for intelligent people so are you saying kels' retardation is alignment indicative then? | ||
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On July 06 2015 22:50 rsoultin wrote: I'm saying it's retarded enough to doubt my townread on him Kinda amazing how this leads right back to what my post said when I first posted it ^^ kinda amazing how i understand precisely what Hadron is getting at yet you keep not answering clearly | ||
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On July 06 2015 22:55 rsoultin wrote: He clearly thought I was saying he was too stupid t get my read so are you sure you're actually following what he was saying? Lol the pertinent point being: why is what Kelsier did more mafia siding than town siding? What's the motivation to go to all that effort for something that was always a goose chase? especially as he totally backed off his read when he said he needed to check whether it was the same in the first 4 pages or not | ||
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On July 06 2015 23:02 rsoultin wrote: I'm done with this marv. I said hf prob scum and i'm retracting HARD giantess on Kels.. Tired of repeating myself, not do I have the time for it. Obv if he's scum that push is too stupid to.achieve anything anyway so why WOULD he hold onto.org? you should be done with this because you're being absolutely appalling. | ||
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in your post, the last line you said "he" is retarded rather than "i". which is nothing for nothing, but it's what he's banging on about. | ||
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On July 06 2015 23:11 rsoultin wrote: Lol ruxx/hf prob scum Get rekt To the rest of y'all...learn to read the rest of us can read, it's you who is not saying sensible things. as per usual. | ||
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Did it? Because it should. think about it. it's you. it's not everyone else. it's you. | ||
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he's not | ||
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On July 06 2015 23:19 KelsierSC wrote: marv have you seen ritoky throw out three scum reads before as mafia?> absolutely no idea. not sure how it's relevant either | ||
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On July 06 2015 23:19 ruXxar wrote: I don't think kelsier is scum. I think it's weird how oats points out stuff and when i question him about it he responds with "lol". Why did you point out that it was over the top if you didn't think it was alignment indicative? cos he's a cow | ||
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On July 06 2015 23:23 KelsierSC wrote: thats part of your read on ritoky, the 3 names he gave. ok? | ||
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On July 06 2015 23:26 KelsierSC wrote: ok so what i am asking you, is this something that you have seen him do as scum, or is this something you haven't seen him do as town. did i not make it clear in the post i wrote what i was getting at? also On July 06 2015 23:19 KelsierSC wrote: marv have you seen ritoky throw out three scum reads before as mafia?> On July 06 2015 23:19 marvellosity wrote: absolutely no idea Are we all clear? lol | ||
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On July 07 2015 00:30 geript wrote: I'm seeing how dumb I have to make my arguments for people to sheep me. you've not made any arguments | ||
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i'll rephrase: whatever you're doing is making me want to lynch oats less and less, whatever his alignment is. | ||
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On July 07 2015 00:58 Half the Sky wrote: HF, I am bad reading HF D1. and I cannot tell whether his read on Trfel is bad (unfamiliarity) or mafia (taking advantage of the fact that Trfel is not posting reads quite yet, at least I know why). I will need to re-read this filter again. those are not the only 2 options, HtS | ||
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On July 07 2015 01:08 Half the Sky wrote: I'm actually confused by what you two are saying, particularly Harkon. Let me break it down. If I missed soemthing on these two (I just read the thread in entirety so it's possible I did) or if something is wrong, call me out. HF is scumreading Trfel for posting little of substance. I know others had different reads (most notably Ras) on Trfel. I'm personally reading Trfel as NAI until he posts harder analysis based on Trfel's performance from NSM11. I am trying to interpret HF's read on Trfel but I am struggling with that, but I will also look at how he's reading others more closely. The read on Trfel was what jumped out at me. Marv - only 2 options being bad or mafia? Or are you suggesting that HF at some point TRed him? I missed that if he did. no, you said HF is either unfamiliar with Trfel for scumreading him, or he is mafia for scumreading him you missed the 3rd option where HF is town and correctly scumreading Trfel. I also don't understand how people keep failing to understand HF's push on Trfel. It's so obvious to me. HF's point on Trfel is that having played a hard/effortful mafiagame, it's very hard to then go hard/effortful at the start of the next game. So what you do as mafia is you just troll and post shit in an attempt to look carefree, because you can't actually be bothered to do any serious work. I thought this was abundantly clear but people keep misrepresenting HF on it. | ||
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we can wreck face if so | ||
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On July 07 2015 01:27 Holyflare wrote: anyway the more i think about it the less likely i think ls has the balls to claim miller so whatever  yes, the mitigating factor is that it was so late = not dangerous | ||
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On July 07 2015 01:45 Vivax wrote: I retract that I would sheep on Trfel, I realized he posted more than I thought. We should kill geript for being a liar. that should be a reason for you to want to lynch him more, not less. | ||
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On July 07 2015 01:49 KelsierSC wrote: this marv hf mindmeld is unreal British ISTPs, go figure | ||
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i'll take you all out to Soho sometime :p | ||
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funnily enough, the I was the strongest preference of the lot ^_^ | ||
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On July 07 2015 02:00 Harkon wrote: That's really strange to me. ESTP here with T being by far the strongest. i know, i know, i'm so naturally charismatic and leadery and witty. *giggles* | ||
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On July 07 2015 02:04 Harkon wrote: I don't know if those are the words I would choose but yeah. I would have guessed an E for you for sure. bitch | ||
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On July 07 2015 03:05 Holyflare wrote: geript has done nothing and has posted reads that don't make sense and are unexplained, it means nothing it's geript damdred focusing on ls so much is very weird but damdred's other scum reads are good and i'm waiting for his list of town reads ruxxar is so totally different from the last game i have no idea how people can scum read him ls has done nothing scummy yet to be scum read this is the basis for my read too granted i barely skimmed that game, but i won't let that stop me. | ||
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when everyone was up my ass wishful thinking | ||
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oops. | ||
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On July 07 2015 03:27 Clarity_nl wrote: Yeah okay. ##Vote ritoky I definitely prefer it over the truffle lynch. PS Rsoultin sounding pretty town though I can't quite put my finger on why what's wrong with the Trfel lynch? | ||
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On July 07 2015 03:36 rsoultin wrote: why is hf town marv? i think he's town because i intuitively grasp his reads, both scum and town, which has worked pretty reliably for me in the past | ||
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On July 07 2015 03:39 rsoultin wrote: so mindmeld...how good is this read of yours? like in rough percentage? god. like 80%? normally what has happened is that i have a good read on HF early and then other people make me wrongly doubt it. like if HF starts pushing things i don't see then i'll reconsider, but i've not seen that yet. like it's *possible* he just happened to pick out a bunch of townreads that were the same i hadn't mentioned yet because he's just that good, but meeeeeh | ||
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On July 07 2015 03:41 geript wrote: Keep on being poop HF for not being good enough to understand my reads your attitude is pretty scummy because it looks like you're angling to be ignored while whining that you're being ignored. | ||
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On July 07 2015 03:44 rsoultin wrote: nh i haven't played as many games with him as you have. but the shitfight thing is a perfect read so far, and it was better than yours in ippo. i dunnae...i'll just sit on it i guess i did think he was town there, but for different reasons than i did here, it was just tonal (wrongly) although in my defence (not that i mind being wrong) i did start making it clear n2 that i preferred jat as the fight promoter guy rather than HF - that was the feeling bubbling up in my stomach | ||
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There is no insight, no logic, no spears of truth. His lazy post with 3 scumreads where he kinda explains just one (LS) is just so meh i can't describe | ||
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On July 07 2015 03:54 ritoky wrote: Damdred is mafia or wrong on me for the first time in 15+ games. do you think he might have reason to be reading you wrongly? | ||
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you guys are very angry | ||
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On July 07 2015 09:20 Harkon wrote: Mental image of raging marvellosity literally attacking a jar with a spoon. 10/10 You're welcome :p I'm docile as fuck though haha | ||
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On July 07 2015 04:14 geript wrote: Nah, it's just that have no intentions of helping you guys and will ignore everyone and anyone who chooses to ignore my reads. It's a 2 way street marv. You know I tend to have very good reads early on and very strong well developed meta reads later on. Especially my townread early on are usually quite on point; exceptionally fantastically on point. It's one of the reasons why I've made a note that I still don't have a townread on Damdred. That should at least alert you to there being a problem there. then fine, be ignored. your attitude is toxic and has no place in a mafia game. if you've not learnt how to play mafia and get your point across without being a massive bell-end, then you probably never will, and you deserve never to be listened to by anyone ever again. | ||
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On July 07 2015 05:08 KelsierSC wrote: ritoky was part of the LS wtf brigade when this happened in himilayas so i don't see why he does this at all his excuse about lynch pressure seems incorrect, he would have needed about 9 people to all vote on him. *grumps*. why did you have to find this, i could have just stopped thinking about ritoky entirely. | ||
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Is he usually a non-entity? how about milo? | ||
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On July 07 2015 07:39 Half the Sky wrote: BM doesn't really play as mafia right? Or maybe I could be wrong on that, maybe I need to re-read WC3. That game was a blur despite my cohosting it other than that it was ill tempered all around and scumteam didn't play well. Independent of meta, he is sheeping marv, could be a faulty vote. The wanderer claim could be an effort to get people to disregard him but I am concerned seeing not really the town play to back that up. BM, you have any thoughts on his claim? Or ritoky at all? Or anyone else for that matter? I did think about this when I saw a BM post a page or two before this post. And I wondered whether a tracker should go ahead and track BM. I also wondered if BM might just claim it as mafia hoping there isn't a tracker. BM doesn't mind the ballsy plays. I didn't really come to a conclusion about what to do, so I didn't post. Except now i'm posting to waffle on about it now because this post reminded me. | ||
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On July 07 2015 08:11 geript wrote: I'd also point out that very few people are in any way interested in lynching Oats. That very rarely happens when he's town. true | ||
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On July 07 2015 19:17 Half the Sky wrote: Scott has sometimes afked in his games as both alignments. Milo only one game (HG ch1) and his posting is low volume in that game. My scum read wasn't on volume though. i can't remember your opinion of him here, what is it? (milo) | ||
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On July 07 2015 08:39 Holyflare wrote: what kind of mafia makes a list hunting blue's in the thread instead of in his mafia qt a ballsy one with the name Bluehunter? | ||
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On July 07 2015 09:53 ruXxar wrote: @Trfel Is something wrong with you? Did something traumatic happen in your life? You played like a fucking god in our newbie game. What changed? ahahahahahahahahaha. I like you. | ||
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On July 07 2015 10:17 geript wrote: Basically it boils down to this: 1. He's playing differently than he does as town. 2. He's responding differently than he does as town. Yes. He randomly calls people scum for bad reasons; but that's not alignment indicative. Rather look at the scope of things. There's no overarching thought process behind it. Not even a bad one. As town, there is a series of thoughts behind who he calls scum and why. It will bend it's way back and forth between what he says. Rather, there's no thought behind anything whatsoever. It's just mafia this person. That's BS. There's no interconnectivity between his reads which you see when he's town. Second, he doesn't snap back at people like he did at me as town. Like he'll bring it with more of a push or a thought as to why I'm scum and push me OR he'll make a push to try and figure out what he actually thinks about things. In short, he's posting how he usually does. But it lacks the real impulsivity his town play has and lacks the theme his townplay has. better! I like this geript. Why didn't you just do this at the start?! | ||
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On July 07 2015 19:33 Oatsmaster wrote: You have succumbed to the madness too? How are geripts posts sensible at all, and even if so, what makes him correct about me? he made some posts explaining a couple of townreads in a non-routine way. Also I have no idea if he's correct about you because i've not read his filter to crosscheck and think about what he said. Rather that at least he makes an argument that sounds like it makes sense. | ||
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he's also right that people always think you're much scummier when you're town. i don't remember you irritating me very much this game. normally you're extremely irritating. | ||
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On July 07 2015 19:39 boxerfred wrote: marv thoughts on my hf read? if we're talking about the post on the last page, i'm not sure where in it you showed why it makes him mafia | ||
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On July 07 2015 19:40 Oatsmaster wrote: So when you say more inclined you mean like 1% to 5% then. Can you quote the posts where greript gives a non routine town read? Actually the most nonsense part that geript has posted is the one where he says I get scumread as town. Except where we just played in a game where I was universally town read d1 as town. Geript is mafia man. fucking bullshit oats. you say this literally all the time. get the fuck out. | ||
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On July 07 2015 19:45 Oatsmaster wrote: Marv read the rest. I'm not kidding. We just played in a game, newbie something. Geript got lynched day 1, I was universally town read d1. So for Geript to say that I get scumread as town is inaccurate and he should know. no it means you got townread once. how many times have you been lynched as town? how many times have people scumread you as town early? HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU SAID THIS YOURSELF???? | ||
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On July 07 2015 12:42 Breshke wrote: I also think scott is probably mafia. His reads list was lackluster and jsut seems to be some surface level stuff without actually trying to work anything out. The only interesting thing is this But it feels like he is reaching and i don't really get why the AFK's get a mention halfway through. good post - it's a terrible post from scott. | ||
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i am talking to oats about geript's read on oats | ||
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re: the initial claim - i hadn't read the OP before i got my role PM. So i don't think it's a stretch to assume HF didn't either. | ||
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anyone agree/disagree? | ||
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On July 06 2015 23:24 Clarity_nl wrote: Going over WoS again and he talked a little about his townread on me I don't like him as a lynch at the moment. ##Unvote This is really really weird. Wave really did no such thing. I can't possibly understand how this can be the basis for an unvote. | ||
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On July 07 2015 20:18 marvellosity wrote: I'm kinda going through filters in a terribly haphazard way. This is really really weird. Wave really did no such thing. I can't possibly understand how this can be the basis for an unvote. i'm just going to quote myself because i think this is really notable and i'd like to know if i'm alone in this, it could be pretty important. | ||
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On July 07 2015 20:28 Palmar wrote: This guy is town hero btw, I think I already said so. Found this looking for the clarity/WoS thing. But to be fair, WoS did try to somewhat defend Clarity. Although I don't know if that's exactly what marv meant with his thing. My point is this. So Clarity voted Wave at some stage. Wave originally said "clarity is town, tryhard as fuck" later when asked to elaborate on the read by HF, he said Narp The effort feels towny That's all that Wave says on Clarity. Clarity goes on to unvote Wave because "he talked a little about his townread on me" so he doens't like the lynch? How on earth is that Wave talking about the townread at all? This is the original reason Clarity voted Wave: On July 06 2015 08:56 Clarity_nl wrote: geript, still happy with your vote? Would love to have some reasoning. In the mean time, WoS gave me a very lazy townread. I'd like to think I always look townie but not a lot of people seem to agree at this point so it smells like he has extra info. ##Vote WaveOfShadow And then Clarity unvotes Wave because Wave says "narp not gonna elaborate" with the explanation that Wave explains the read ? Really? ... | ||
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On July 06 2015 08:19 WaveofShadow wrote: I dare you to say you can still read trfel after we destroyed town that other game. Me on the other hand... In other news clarity tryhard as fuck, probably town. On July 06 2015 08:56 Clarity_nl wrote: geript, still happy with your vote? Would love to have some reasoning. In the mean time, WoS gave me a very lazy townread. I'd like to think I always look townie but not a lot of people seem to agree at this point so it smells like he has extra info. ##Vote WaveOfShadow On July 06 2015 23:24 Clarity_nl wrote: Going over WoS again and he talked a little about his townread on me I don't like him as a lynch at the moment. ##Unvote | ||
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On July 07 2015 20:40 boxerfred wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 07 2015 20:35 marvellosity wrote: My point is this. So Clarity voted Wave at some stage. Wave originally said "clarity is town, tryhard as fuck" later when asked to elaborate on the read by HF, he said That's all that Wave says on Clarity. Clarity goes on to unvote Wave because "he talked a little about his townread on me" so he doens't like the lynch? How on earth is that Wave talking about the townread at all? This is the original reason Clarity voted Wave: And then Clarity unvotes Wave because Wave says "narp not gonna elaborate" with the explanation that Wave explains the read ? Really? ... Are you saying clarity is scum and in a team with WoS and they're playing pretty badly? Or are you "only" saying that clarity's unvote does not make any sense, is weak and has no reasoning? What's your conclusion? so look at the 4 quotes i just posted in order. Clarity votes in post #2. Wave's only comment on Clarity afterwards is #3 Clarity unvotes in #4, look at the reason. it's nonsensical. | ||
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On July 07 2015 20:45 boxerfred wrote: Yes! But that being nonsensicel is "only" the observation. There's no conclusion. Like, if you say, "my window is wet", you observe it. The conclusion would be "well, it's raining". So what's your conclusion? Scum? Bad town play? Especially in light of the points I brought up against him earlier. my conclusion was that it makes Clarity mafia, except my evidence was incorrect. | ||
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On July 07 2015 20:46 Palmar wrote: This may be remembered as the worst read in the history of TL but the fact marv didn't bother to actually fact check that his case wasn't complete and utter shit makes me think he's probably town. I'm literally giving him a townread for failing it's a good basis for a read tbh. | ||
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On July 07 2015 20:49 Oatsmaster wrote: I still dont think clarity has any reason to unvote WoS considering the only thing WoS expanded on his townread on clarity is that either clarity is shit or is not shit. the point was that Clarity was voting Wave for TMI, but in the posts that Palmar showed, Wave was showing doubt about Clarity's alignment. So at the very least it does make logical sense | ||
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On July 07 2015 10:40 milo109 wrote: Alright... Explanations for my reads. First of all, I've played one game. That game I happened to be scum and won. Perhaps my opening strategy is not indicative of alignment, as you have nothing to compare it to. I've not had as much time to devote to the game as I would like, so I threw out my gut reads. The game is hard when you're town. Almost everything is justifiable in one way or the other, which makes it hard to find certainty. I read this: Dislike the dumb jokes. This is mildly amusing because my first read in my other game was based on tone too. I liked WaveofShadow just for his tone, but wasn't willing to pronounce him town for it. Holyflare's filter was a pleasure to read. No reads that felt discordant or forced. Casual enough, but also not afraid to explain. He usually waits to start calling people trash. Did anyone pick up on this at the time? So in milo's last game (as mafia) he voted ritoky for fucking around, because he "didn't like his playstyle" and he kinda just admits it with the line starting "this is mildly amusing" - like "lol, i did this as mafia and i'm doing it again!" i'm not sure i buy it. if he's town here then he knows that that kind of entrance is actually townie (given that he was jumping on a townie last game as mafia). So why is he jumping on kelsier here? | ||
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On July 07 2015 20:58 Palmar wrote: idk I remember thinking milo was town. doesn't really answer my question though does it | ||
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On July 07 2015 21:07 Half the Sky wrote: Bloody hell I meant to re-quote not edit that quote block. I am on such a roll today... >_< can confirm you changed no content | ||
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On July 07 2015 22:21 Harkon wrote: Marv, I am too lazy to check his past games - does clarity's towngame usually consist of giving out loads of weak townreads and no scumreads? i can't honestly remember. | ||
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On July 07 2015 22:25 Clarity_nl wrote: I'm surprised you were around to answer that question immediately marv, who are you currently looking at? i'm not, i'm working and casually refreshing | ||
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ritoky because a one-shot cop claim is super safe so it doesn't really mean anything and i can't see why any of his posts are townie BM because we kinda either lynch him or we don't, and if he flips town it doesn't tell us anything | ||
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On July 07 2015 23:30 Harkon wrote: This post is definitely a pretty bold statement especially since it isn't paired with any reason as to why. i thought the same about that comment | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:07 geript wrote: I agree. Seeing HF in a nighty and pink frilly panties is quite disturbing. this is so amusing to me right now. | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Marv talk to me about EBH and his more recent posts. Specifically the ones where he fencesits on the whole "Trfel/LS" fight and adds both to his lynch list. his was one of the filters i looked at earlier and came away thinking that i didn't really know either way, let me go refresh myself | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:16 marvellosity wrote: his was one of the filters i looked at earlier and came away thinking that i didn't really know either way, let me go refresh myself Yeah, there was this part of his original post that i liked: Palmar - not much to say here I can just tell he's town. Finding the loophole in geript's logic and posting about him looking for his name are both reasons to townread him but I won't be surprised if i get roasted for this read. I also thought the Vivax/geript thing was a little weird to be mafia in the same post. maybe the Trfel/LS stuff is weird but i don't know if or why it's scummy weird. feel free to tell me why you think so | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:17 Clarity_nl wrote: At this point I've gone extensively over a couple of people and I just really don't know at the moment so I will in fact end up sheeping whatever case pops up. People I would be okay with consolodating on in no particular order: Vivax BM Bluehunter <- I don't buy the whole "scum wouldn't bluehunt in thread" milo and maaaaybe ruxxar, I felt he was townie for the first half of day 1 but looking at him again I just don't really see If I need to I would consolidate on trfel but I'm not happy about it. Like I've said I like HF's arguments but his defense I find very towny. Oh and WIFOM ALERT why would I unvote WoS when I could have easily jsut sat on him? why is ruxxar a maybe and scott isn't there at all, for example? | ||
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or at least, i should rephrase, are there posts that might make you think he could be? | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:25 Clarity_nl wrote: It's literally only the claim that makes me not lynch him today. I definitely think he's not 100% scum so the mechanical play for me is to let him live at least today, probably tomorrow too, then reevaluate if needed. That way if he is town he might show it, and if he is town then scum might have to deal with him anyway what's mechanical about it? it's one-shot and mafia will have a RBer and no other target. | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I still think he was capitalizing on a fight between two players, which always reads as mafia keeping their options open. His response was that he couldn't really come up with reasons to scumread LS when asked. He has no mafiareads outside of those two at this point in time. I'm expecting some sort of follow-up or something but...Nothing. At any rate I think it's a better lynch than a lynch on people who post stuff and ask questions. Can you tell me why the vivax/geript thing is too weird to be mafia? Vivax/Geript - We have a curious case here of a guy that is completely tunneling on some one else who is very emotional, but said emotional person is paying no attention to the constant posting done by the former. My explanation for this is that it is a bussing attempt by vivax (which he loves to do as mafia) and is being poorly reciprocated by geript who should try to make it more realistic but has a hard time getting angry about things that are fake as opposed to actual town members pressuring him. Just a theory for now that might prove useful later. Just it reads very non-routine, not formulaic, bit conspiracyish. | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:27 Holyflare wrote: I dunno his posts around what I was saying about trfel weren't awful but other than that it's pretty scummy (I keep coming back to the post where he lists 3 people that weren't really scummy at all and says 1 of them could be and going ... meh) but his claim after LS' claim last game also gives me wtf vibes but i don't really want to lynch him either kind of thing basically i'm a pussy and don't want to lynch a potential cop a potential one-shot cop who's never getting his check off regardless | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:29 Half the Sky wrote: So this aimed at Palmar/marvellosity - First the way he's doign the quotes I'm believing Milo actually says "LS's filtuer is scummy" is where he starts. I am also taking issue with what I have in the bold. First he says there are a dozen posts but then he provides (the bolded) as the reason for LS being mafia? Given his last sentence on Trfel, he's goign to lynch LS for not being convincing? That explanation/justification makes zero sense. Yes a good player as either alignment has to be convincing but that's not exclusive to town so why does he use that as a justification to lynch LS? Something is way off here. I'm not saying this makes LS mafia or not, but this is a huge red flag especially in the event where LS is not mafia. The last sentence is also problematic because clearly others and even HE has weighted somewhat on LS so I have no idea where that sentence is even coming from. i thought he was saying there that Trfel's narrative on LS wasn't convincing | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:30 KelsierSC wrote: Here's my list right now Town hf breshke clarity oats geript harkon LS scum trfel ritoky damdred bluehunter milo wave Everyone else I have leans on but this is my head right now. am sad. | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't really understand how that's towny though? because it's harder to think in such a fashion as mafia, as town it comes a lot more easily. like i'm not gonna hard defend this stance because it's just a lean, but yea | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:37 geript wrote: @Marv. I still think Oats/vivax is a better lynch. And a better strategical one. Why don't you seem to care about Vivax? He's practically been reading a different game entirely. It reminds me of the DP/Palmer/Vivax scumteam game. Where Vivax's reads were literally completely misconstrued shit. HF. Look at Vivax. You caught him that game so you might remember more. are you telling me this isn't the epitome of his towngame also? | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:40 Harkon wrote: meh I wouldn't be opposed to lynching Vivax if it wasn't for his recent towngames. Not sure if I even am opposed to it now. +1 | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:40 Palmar wrote: I need to read Trfel at some point. He has a history of being a fantastically easy townread and now I see multiple people questioning him. EBH is top town why? | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:42 geript wrote: Yah, but usually he lives in a bizarro universe. Not in a complete alternate timeline/reality. i can't agree | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:45 Harkon wrote: Not gonna fly. How am I supposed to sheep you like this? you go "good idea, ritoky is easily objectively the scummiest, and his one-shot claim is actually meaningless and it's the only reason the votes moved off him when he was leading the votes" | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:49 Clarity_nl wrote: marv you saw my comment about how when roleblocked the check is refunded right? Like I get it he looked really scummy and then he claimed, the claim is whatever... NAI, but if he's town then keeping him alive will hurt mafia by having to waste RB or KP on him, and if they waste KP that's even better. it's not enough | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:50 Harkon wrote: Good idea, ritoky is easily objectively the scummiest, and his one-shot claim is actually meaningless and it's the only reason the votes moved off him when he was leading the vote. ##Vote: ritoky top post | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:51 marvellosity wrote: HF I've not got the energy to wade through it all, her filter has so many words like maybe if you can consolidate it into a couple really good reasons why i should vote her over ritoky, but meh more precisely, why she can't do it as town possibly | ||
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e.g. xxx when i was on rayn's ass all d1 and i only moved because everyone told me i was wrong. or the game with palmar where i tunnelled toad all d1. it doesn't happen very often that i think someone is mafia all day d1, usually i go on and off someone. | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote: So do you want to lynch ritoky or are you lazy? Cause marv is lazy and you say that being lazy is a good idea but you seem to want to lynch ritoky? Marv doesnt really care whether he lynches ritoky. speak for yourself, you little shit | ||
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On July 08 2015 01:03 Oatsmaster wrote: So you want ritoky to die or not. Im confused. yes. i'm just a master hedger and waffler. i think with moderate certainty he is mafia, which is a lot more certainty i have with anyone else. | ||
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On July 08 2015 01:05 Damdred wrote: I'm done really really tired of being scum read for whatever I do whenever I'm in any games, hunt town and find scum through pie in scum for doing that. Just looking for scummy behavior and caseing it and I'm scum for that. la te da, fuck that shit I'm getting me Chinese playing final fantasy and I'll be back near deadline fuck it hey, stop it. i've not called you mafia and i always call you mafia! <3 | ||
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On July 08 2015 01:16 Oatsmaster wrote: marv doesnt say "if ritoky isnt the majority" which implies that he doesnt think ritoky is gonna be lynched but hes not that bothered. so he doesnt really want ritoky to be lynched Then you come around and say that its a good idea and give an actual reason why people should go onto ritoky. Come on man. Its an easy vote and an easy way of getting out of playing for the rest of the day. you really need to read what actually happened, dear. | ||
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On July 08 2015 01:17 Clarity_nl wrote: Hey marv if we get the vivax train rolling are you onboard? no ritoky train choochoo | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:46 marvellosity wrote: you go "good idea, ritoky is easily objectively the scummiest, and his one-shot claim is actually meaningless and it's the only reason the votes moved off him when he was leading the votes" | ||
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On July 08 2015 01:19 Clarity_nl wrote: ritoky train doesn't feel very magical to me that's because you're not as sexy as i am. sry bro. | ||
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On July 08 2015 01:25 Holyflare wrote: the last 5 posts of page 2 of his filter and all page 3 of his filter what about them? | ||
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On July 08 2015 01:26 WaveofShadow wrote: K I'm not reading 50 pages right now. marv who do I vote for? Ritoky? Why? read his filter, it's short. if you like it, don't vote him. if you don't like it, vote him. | ||
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On July 08 2015 01:28 Holyflare wrote: Seemed like good questions to ask and a drive to find more. It's weak sure but it makes me hesitate. i think milo might be my second choice. i'm gonna be afk from like 6-9 and not fully there from 9-11. so do what you will. | ||
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On July 08 2015 01:29 Harkon wrote: My biggest reservation is still that he apparently did not know that it was majority instead of instant majority (sure, he could have lied about that) and I think a mafia should have known this. i have no idea why you think this makes sense, but ok | ||
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On July 08 2015 01:33 Harkon wrote: Don't you think that the lynch type should have at least partially been discussed in the scum qt at some point? Especially if ritoky thinks it is instant majority? Seems very relevant for scum to talk about so unless ritoky is just completely afk from thread AND scumqt that seems weird. i've literally never talked about lynch type in scumQT | ||
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On July 08 2015 01:33 WaveofShadow wrote: Cop claim? lol not voting him. Especially because dick move analysis hits a strong chord with me here. Is he seriously going to be lynched? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me at all. there is nothing to do dick move analysis on. | ||
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On July 08 2015 01:39 Half the Sky wrote: Quick aside: someone remind me of what dick move analysis is? when someone says something so dickish, you don't think they'd say it as a ruse as mafia because it would make them a total cock, you think they have to genuinely believe it. | ||
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On July 08 2015 01:43 Oatsmaster wrote: There are like 15 investigators in the game. Everyone vt is an investigator. Clearly geript didnt get the same role pm as us because he assumes there are 2, like im saying investigator instead of cop. He isnt blue either because he would be a lot more careful about doing shit relating to roles. Therefore hes mafia, scumslipped. oh, huh. this actually doesn't not make sense | ||
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bad news: i'm here because i abandoned my workout because i was feeling nauseous so i'm not up to much from this page i gather we're congregating on ritoky/hts. was milo abandoned for some reason? i really don't have the energy to read anything. | ||
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On July 08 2015 03:43 ritoky wrote: I am willing to vote on milo for his "no time so vote on cop" bit, do you have a more compelling reason? the stuff that was brought up around his read on LS/Trfel, his strange scumread on kelsier at the start mimicing his mafia game that i don't think he should be making as town i.e. how he voted you for being trolly in the game you were in, and now he pushed kelsier for being trolly in this one, even though last game should have told him being trolly isn't scummy because you weren't | ||
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On July 08 2015 03:50 Oatsmaster wrote: milo pretty much solely ninja votes. How is she attacking the town leaders in this game Harkon? scumslip #2? lol HF? Hello?? | ||
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On July 08 2015 03:15 milo109 wrote: Yo HtS, I don't really understand this style of play. I'll answer your questions, but may I ask why you have decided to have this rather elongated conversation with me, a scum read? I still think KelsierSC is scum, yes. He has had the opposite reaction to me on almost every major event in the game. I've also disliked most of his one-liners, and that is almost all of his posting. I also think there is scum on both the town and mafia side of his list, something a mafia would almost have to do. As for Damdred, I also still think he is mafia. I voted for Ritoky because there isn't enough time to get a wagon started on the other two, but I would advise looking at them. HF is weird. You're weird. LS is weird. Rsoultin is weird. Who knows if that is mafia indicative or not? examples? preferably several | ||
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On July 08 2015 03:58 milo109 wrote: Marv, can't explain until I get a computer. *shrug* i don't need quotes, just an explanation like 6 hours ago you said you'd reply to HtS in a couple hours, then you never did. now you're back but you can't do things properly. meh. | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:00 Holyflare wrote: why's he addressing you when I said it lol i was asking about kelsier | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:14 milo109 wrote: Sigh. I'm two-shot cop. Fun fun fun. \o\ \o/ /o/ | ||
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On July 08 2015 03:20 ritoky wrote: wow, people are bad at mafia. have fun lynching a cop. people sheeping marv calling me mafia when marv hates me on a personal level, and misreads me every game makes me laugh. voted on hts cuz some1 else did, don't really care at this point; could be convinced to vote for milo cuz "not enough time so vote on claimed cop" is the stupidest thing ever with 4 hrs left. just filtered you and found this i don't hate you in the slightest that would suggest you're worth having an emotion over supreme indifference perhaps | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:20 Harkon wrote: That's hard to believe. why? | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:26 Clarity_nl wrote: I'm inclined to believe milo over ritoky, there is the tiny chance they're both cops but...... This claim makes no sense from scum there is the possibility that it was done for that reason, the wifom. but on balance you're probably right | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:32 Vivax wrote: Somebody should have told milo that to survive a D1 on TL mafia you have to be marv's personal slave. that's not what i'm into dear | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:42 Holyflare wrote: like wtf is going on, i'm being dodged left right and center by all the scummy people i'm here for you, sir x | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Do you guys really think mafia makes this post? yes, for the reason you're asking this question. mafia say this all the time in fact. | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:45 ritoky wrote: i REALLY think milo is also a cop now, for reasons i can't say laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:13 geript wrote: Nah. Oats might actually be town. i kinda think so | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:20 Trfel wrote: Don't lynch rsoultin, that's really stupid. Voting ritoky for now, will check back in a bit, hopefully. Damdred didn't play very well last game (as town), and I did like his play early on (the LightningStrike push). ##vote ritoky explain. | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:47 geript wrote: Like MZ has a history of fucking off regardless of alignment. BM tends to fuck off and be useless a bit more as mafia. Plus he has a history as mafia of claiming and intentionally doing nothing except not get modkilled. i'd agree with this but people have been saying BM was super afk last game as town | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Right but my question is if there are enough people on line which there seems to be then why don't we go for someone like trfl, milo, or even vivax who is looking worse the more I read? you want to lynch the cop claim after all? | ||
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why are you suggesting lynching him then? it's splattered all over his later filter where did the name milo come from??? | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:53 Holyflare wrote: as opposed to if he was mafia and just switches to bm and stfu? ahhhhh god | ||
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##vote: BM i don't know why i'm thinking about this so much, i really shouldn't care that much | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:56 Harkon wrote: Ha, sheeped you before you even switched. I am so pro. i noticed | ||
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On July 08 2015 07:14 Half the Sky wrote: I thought marv already quizzed them on how they could use their checks. Not sure why he'd say this. Ehhhhh, hold on. i never explained | ||
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On July 08 2015 12:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote: 1) Doesn't matter. He might not have thought BM was mafia. He still voted BM to save himself which is pretty much exactly what I would expect and "overplaying it" is irrelevant. 2) Your point on him doubting your claim doesn't mean a whole lot. People doubt claims. It's normal. 3) I don't see how what MZ said to HF means that he can only be interacting with a scum partner. I thought the same thing about Hf's post, so why am I not mafia for saying something similar? 4) There's no fence there. I don't really see the issue with this post. I thought the same thing about the Rso/HF fight. 5) Again, the fact that he doubts claims isn't weird. The best aspect of your case is that he was inactive until he was about to be lynched. That's it. If he continues to fail to participate then he will be lynched for it, not because of the other points you brought up. no it isn't. | ||
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On July 08 2015 13:31 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: well the odds of a wanderer going somewhere that was KP'ed is incredibly slim in such a big game. the question isn't whether we have the role or not, its the opportunity that we had the role. Its just a very meh cop out lynch that could have been solved as the game went on. lynches are too valuable in large games like this where later in the game scum can actually swing and control them quite easily. I'm terribly glad you showed all that care about it at the time then. oh. awks. | ||
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On July 08 2015 18:29 Clarity_nl wrote: marv did you switch to BM because you thought he was the better lynch or because you were pressured into it/didn't want to risk no-lynching? i didn't think he was the better lynch, no | ||
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no it was at EBD, fairly obviously. and no i didn't do anything about the switch, do you expect me to have massively persuasive arguments in favour/against either MZ or BM? | ||
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Then... HF? said something about it being more likely for MZ just to switch to BM which I kinda bought at the time, but now I'm not so sure. tldr; still don't really know | ||
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On July 08 2015 18:39 Clarity_nl wrote: Right, but his reads were in fact based on early day 1 which kinda suggests he didn't read the thread which makes it more likely he's telling the truth about not being around until EoD. I guess that's NAI... but I think if you roll scum and you come back with an hour or so before deadline is your approach really to vote your first scumread, then argue in thread about how the only lynch other than you is bad? why not? it's the kind of thing i'd do. MZ is a clever, sneaky boy. the absolute best way NOT to look like scum is not just to go "omg, vote to save myself" people were all over MZ. what would have happened to MZ if he just goes "well fuck i'm behind, we'll just kill BM" I'd argue things would have gone a lot worse for him. | ||
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On July 08 2015 14:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Well marv told him to sheep him. Which is usually enough for almost anyone, so I don't know if that read flip is as damning as I first thought. yes. And Clarity has a thing (more than most ppl) for sheeping me at moments like that. For which i love him. | ||
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On July 08 2015 18:47 Clarity_nl wrote: I mean if I show up THAT late and notice I've rolled scum there's a good chance I would only put in effort if I survived the lynch, not before. But I can't expect MZ to be the same as me. It's still a townlean for me, but you have a point Anyway I'm around for most of the day, but I'm not gonna do heavy filter diving or anything until tonight. he would have died otherwise. | ||
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he needed to live just sheeping on BM makes it much more likely he dies it's not complicated at all | ||
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i just think these townreads/leans for what he did when he came back are fucking absurd. | ||
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On July 08 2015 18:57 Vivax wrote: Any reason you don't care much about WoS? not really. i did bring him up before he came back whenever it was. but then i kinda thought how he went/talked about targets looked ok at the time. But then he disappeared again. i'm also slightly more inclined to believe he'd be shit-tastically useless as town (i know i've pushed him several times because of it, pretty sure he'd confirm it. I can think of ## mafia offhand but i know there are others) whereas i don't remember seeing him shit-tastically useless/do-nothing as mafia. | ||
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On July 08 2015 19:07 Vivax wrote: Not to say that it's legitimate to scumread me but since apparently it progressed throughout his catch-up I have no reason to assume it's a fake read. you agree you've been playing like a jackass then? | ||
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gives me the heebies when people who normally are suspicious of me aren't. I looked at Palmar's filter a bit earlier for that reason but i liked some of his posts, so meh. | ||
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On July 08 2015 11:23 milo109 wrote: Alright. I figured out the game. The mafia team is: MZ HF LS Scott Rsoultin/Damdred This is in order of certainty. When I flip, remember remember the seventh of July. What happened to kelsier? You were going to tell me why you were scumreading him for "having the opposite reaction to ever major event in the game" but you never did. please do. | ||
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On July 08 2015 19:37 Palmar wrote: Milo ís my town buddy MZ on the other hand deserves to die as a punishment for me not noticing he is in the game. But then again so did BM that's because he wasn't in the game by the time of your last post. | ||
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On July 08 2015 19:44 boxerfred wrote: why? I mean I didn't filter dive yet but I feel like he's not doing too much none of his posting feels forced to me, he's around/does things without being prompted, his tone is identical to his tone in towngames. | ||
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On July 08 2015 19:44 boxerfred wrote: why? I mean I didn't filter dive yet but I feel like he's not doing too much like do you really think you've been doing more? because you haven't | ||
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But if you compare his filter here with his filter in Himalaya where he was town you'll clearly and fast find lots and lots of differences. Better if you explain what those differences are, rather than just stating they exist | ||
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On July 08 2015 21:08 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok so a problem I had with playing scum is that I would not interact with the people I was calling scum properly. Which is what is happening here. Which is weird, cause i have a townread on him anyway but here goes. The second part is boxer trying to convince me that Kel is mafia. But if im mafia, then whatever he says directly to me is completely useless. Look at geript when I try and talk to him, he engages totally differently. so what? people engage other people differently unless you're 100% certain someone is mafia, interacting with them normally seems the prudent thing to do | ||
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On July 08 2015 21:12 Oatsmaster wrote: He pretty clearly thinks im mafia though, why is he taking my questions seriously? pretty sure my last post still applies | ||
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On July 08 2015 21:21 boxerfred wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 17 2015 21:01 KelsierSC wrote: look... what? I think you edited a word out. So I asked you to give a read on shockeyy..you said he looked okay without reading him properly? that seems very strange. Also this makes no sense to me. you don't like his lost post or his reasons but you felt his reason for scum reading you is genuine? His reasoning is that he is playing like he did last game, but now you are saying that isn't true... On June 17 2015 21:32 KelsierSC wrote: So I'm going to give where I'm at in the game so far. Town Damdred - I liked his posting and the tone he used for his explanation of LS felt good. I think his response to shockey was pretty towny aswell Nydus - I've liked his posting and his activity. we haven't played together but he feels like town GB - he's kind of been doing his own shit but I think he's been around for most of the important points and he's been explaining some of his reasoning e.g why he thought i might be mafia, he went and looked at his own read of onegu and went back on it which felt town. Ritoky - Made me laugh a few times, been jokey but has been giving input aswell. His point on GB and Damdred was kind of stupid but it felt like he was trying to figure some stuff out. hf - CONFIRMED TOWN. no in all seriousness when he just voted BM I just thought it would be interesting to see what happened so I went along with it. After reading the thread I liked his posting with regards to bugs and rsoul, I also think the reason for voting BM is actually good. Scum LS - tried to spam early literally responding to every joke/picture and then asking questions which in my opinion didn't lead anywhere. It felt like he was trying to mimic town...rather than actually helping town. giving defenses of people and posting old games. I didn't feel this was helping town at all. I think his early "derp" was quite telling, it showed he just wanted to post rather than think about his posting. His slip just now with regards to shockey is telling. He said his content was "okay" despite the fact the content was terrible and shockey's scum read was LS himself. The reasoning for it was poor, but LS said he felt the reason was genuine...but he felt the reason was poor?? this makes no sense. I actually think that LS just straight didn't read shockey and called him town because..he knew he was town? or shockey is a partner? Shockey - terrible early list post with shit reasons, didn't read damdred properly and when he got pinged he tried to go at damdred..it felt like an aggressive reaction when you just fucked up. a lot his posting just felt like backtracking. Bugs - early posts were awful, I highlighted this. He's just a massive twat so his fighting doesn't change my opinion of his alignment, when he posts something else then I can look again but for now he is scum. BM - Hf reason is good Outside of that there are a few people that I don't know about yet and i'm reading through again. Feel free to ask questions. On June 18 2015 02:01 KelsierSC wrote: lol no Everything i wrote about you still stands, you keep trying to call everyone town, when I caught you for not reading shockeyy you come up with a "hmm maybe he doesn't look as good" backtrack. now you get pressed for a scum read and then you come up with this maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him where you basically hedge your bets on him like you know he is actually town or something. You say it is a lowish chance...why? also if it is a lowish chance why would you "go all in" on him as you call it. You are trying to be everyones buddy and call everyone town and the one time i push you to actually give a scum read you come out with waffly shit that your scum read is likely to be town anyway. On June 18 2015 02:13 KelsierSC wrote: also LS what do you mean by shockey has a low chance of slipping scum? that makes no fucking sense when people, myself included have brought up scummy aspects about his play. and other people in town like nydus also agree. you think new players don't role scum or something? On June 18 2015 02:48 KelsierSC wrote: but you didn't feel strongly about it at all as he had a "low chance" who are the others it was me and NHM, I had already posted a bunch of stuff about shockeyy when you decided he looked okayish and probably wouldn't flip scum. rsoultin was "unsure" and you are asking her to sheep you so you just wanted nydus to post his reason which was pretty much what I had said already? so your "consideration of opinions" is just if nydus said it then it must be true? On June 18 2015 02:57 KelsierSC wrote: Well I had already said that before you came across saying he was ok. Nydus actually didn't mind the list post at all and that isn't the reason he is voting shockey I kind of liked that he gave a lot of reads at first but the way he's talking about his wife's birthday, etc. It just feels kind of fake to me and it feels like he's trying to make an excuse as to why he's posting so scummy (to people who thought his post was scummy). Gives me a very weird vibe. On June 18 2015 03:40 KelsierSC wrote: is this really all you have to say to my questions? You said shockey was "okish" and had a "low chance to flip scum". now you have apparently seen things differently. I already gave my reasons when you had called him ok. You got the wrong reasons for why nydus called him scummy, it wasn't to do with the list post at all. Rsoultin was unsure and you then told her to sheep you, which was the stupidest thing I have ever seen. So how did this change of opinion come about? you haven't been reading the thread properly as shown by your questioning. you have just vomitted into the thread tried to call everyone town, post links to bullshit games no one cares about. now you are stuck in a trap. 100% mafia. On June 18 2015 06:30 KelsierSC wrote: WBG I read some of what you posted and I see you went to a lot of trouble so. I've questioned and pushed LS very hard and in my opinion I highlighted aspects of his play that were scummy. his calling everyone town, not reading the thread, his whole debacle around shockey. then you add in how he flipped the read on shockey to call him mafia and the inconsistent parts around that. I feel LS is mafia, when he claimed blue I felt I had him in the noose, he was trying to dodge the pressure and avoid being lynched. I think if he is town he can work his way out of that spot. I also think my push on shockey was pretty strong. You have basically said i'm doing fuck all and not reading..I disagree with this completely and I don't think you truly believe it either. With regards to the anger thing. Assassination mafia I was cop, it was a tightly controlled game. I was on good behaviour. This game it's less tight and i'm kind of pissed off RL. If you want to ask me some questions then I will answer in a civil manner for the benefit of the thread. On June 18 2015 18:22 KelsierSC wrote: well getting pissed off at LS is a totally understandable reaction, I read the stuff he posted after I left and although I don't want to spend another day pointing out all the anti-town, inconsistent stuff. suffice to say his hf is "top town now lets vote bf" is totally inconsistent with his "hf is scum" shit from earlier. He has a top scum read in shockeyy, there are 24 hours left but he wants to completely abandon this because he is scared of being lynched? If i'm a blue role and I have a top scum read, WHO IS PUSHING ON ME, then I don't just surrender what I think and try and avoid the hammer. Again he just randomly calls more people town, including the replace who mostly posted about not reading the thread then disappeared. from your vibe though you seem to think he is town doing the most anti-town shit of all time? A simpler explanation is he is mafia. Anyway. with the other stuff you typed, I think your post about MiG was pretty good, I felt the same way when he posted it but at the time it didn't feel that bad. I think the post from Fide about it was probably correct. Also your town list looks ok apart from bugs, I need to talk to him. He gave his attack on me and I have a few questions for him when he gets back that will be interesting. I think the longer bf stays away the happier I am to lynch him On June 17 2015 08:37 KelsierSC wrote: I'd propose this point. People are saying that LS has "posted a lot" and been active. But if you actually look at what he has done he has interjected into some jokes and then asked a bunch of questions which don't lead anywhere. Has he committed himself to a read so far? he has just defended people. LS recently got caught as scum I recall, easily the feedback could be, "you are easy to read by being lazy" so now all he does is shit post in the thread and get a town read. Like I feel very uncomfortable with everyone calling LS town and I think that he could easily be scum. On June 17 2015 09:38 KelsierSC wrote: ok here's my problem with this. If you are town you can't just make up reads , despite what GB says. if that is all damdred has then he has posted it. I actually think his recent posts and his explanation about LS was pretty good. I'm looking at your list post now you haven't actually given a great deal on anyone. you have given most people as null and some people as town. which is what damdred has done. so why are you going so crazy on him? On June 17 2015 19:55 KelsierSC wrote: I think this should be highlighted more. This is a really good catch imo. bugs whole thing is about logic and how he dislikes tone reads and shit so why is he calling hf town here? I don't know but this seems like a slip to me. The "shitfight" as it was so lovingly described, between bugs and rsol. It seemed like a clash of egos but from my character read of both players they wouldn't back down from a fight as either alignment. It didn't feel alignment indicative. rsol can you explain to me why i'm scum? On June 17 2015 20:20 KelsierSC wrote: LS one of the issues I had is that you asked a few questions but there was no follow up to it. This one damdred gave thoughts, you press him for more. Then when you give your list damdred isn't on it..but then you say he's ok afterwards. I'd like you to walk me through your process here. Then with this one, Why did you ask ritoky about this? again I would like your thought process. I also want to know what you think about shockeyy. As you can see, there are huge differences. 1. Not half as many oneliners as in this game. 2. He's following up from his questions. 3. He's in general writing more and in a way different, more reasonable tone. I'd like you to compare http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/487093-mafia-in-the-himalayas?user=KelsierSC with http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?user=KelsierSC just skim through it. You'll instantly see the difference. yuh huh, thank you for actually doing that Can you tie similarities into his mafiagames? | ||
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On July 08 2015 21:26 boxerfred wrote: Since I'm at work, let's make a deal: you name the scum games, I go through them and try my best. What will you be doing in the meantime? very, very little http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/479158-mafia-mini-mafia-a-miniature-game-of-mafia?user=KelsierSC http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?user=KelsierSC | ||
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On July 08 2015 22:33 Harkon wrote: Also his general aggressiveness and angry tone is not sitting well with me. Trfel made a pointabout it that wasn't awful in retrospect. no, it wasn't awful at all, I read it and thought "at the very least i can understand how he is making these conclusions and why, even though i feel differently at the moment" | ||
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On July 08 2015 23:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Is Damdred town? Normally I'd have a solid read on him at some point but I don't really have one right now and that bothers me. I really don't know. I am particularly bad at reading Damdred. I'd say he was my worst read on TL Mafia right now. | ||
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On July 08 2015 23:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'd be more willing to discuss him if he survives the night. i probably won't be here then | ||
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On July 08 2015 23:14 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: I apologize if it came off as whining, I was more trying to figure out why it happened but when we need such a large number to lynch I can see why in the heat of the deadline that people might just be like eh fuck it. My schedule didn't allow me to post yesterday until late at night but I don't like to use RL as an excuse. I'm here on and off this morning I'm not that busy this morning at work if anyone has any questions no questions, just some drive to actually solve the game or something would be lovely | ||
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On July 08 2015 23:14 milo109 wrote: The only problem is if you lynch ritoky and he flips cop, you'll want to lynch me, and then town probably has no more cops. Now if he flips mafia, well that is big game. fwiw i tihnk you are quite a bit townier than i thought you were towards end of day 1. besides we can't not lynch someone because you'd get in trouble for it, and i think you know that | ||
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On July 08 2015 23:15 rsoultin wrote: i'm very good at reading damdy lol >< my early issues with him were - scumread on ls when it was too early to reasonably have one - concentrating on limited things instead of taking a broader view of the game - someone else mentioned he poe's by getting townreads first normally <- this is true...usually his cases come from looking into the people he hasn't already eliminated another way i read him is by emotion in his posting, but that was actually okayish, so i was kinda waffling and then he expanded his view of the game i'm pretty confident i can read him on a filter dive? just need to actually get to it @.@ i scumread him for this before and he was town. point 2 maybe, point 3,meh... if you could filter him before daybreak, i'd be very grateful, i want to know what you think + why | ||
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On July 08 2015 23:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote: :/ I'm trying to come up with things to discuss in regards to him but I can't get past the claim. in this game all mafia should be claiming a 1 or 2 shot role if they are in danger of being lynched. 1 shot being the easiest. | ||
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On July 08 2015 23:18 milo109 wrote: Yeah. I'll vote for him. But if he does flip town, mafia are in a perfect spot. mafia in good spot when town lynches town shocker | ||
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On July 08 2015 23:22 Breshke wrote: People keep mentioning scott but no one seems to actually look into him. I had a look at his EoD earlier. And I asked myself whether it was TMI, or just a townie who thought the wanderer claim was sound. I came down on the latter side, but without much conviction so i didn't mention it. something about the 98% comment. i don't know. | ||
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On July 08 2015 23:41 boxerfred wrote: I skimmed through those filters (assuming that those are the only games where Kelsier was scum. How can I check that?). Even as scum, Kelsier put in more effort in these games than he did here. I'd say that while this game's posting style is indeed very contrary to the style of Himalaya, where he was town, this game's posting style also is very contrary to the style in the games that you brought up, marv. Are there any other games from KSC where he rolled scum that I could check? I'm carefully removing KSC from my scum list, still keeping a slight scum lean though. However if he's really town, I'm sure he'll very soon step up and deliver, just like he did in Himalaya. I'll look into Holyflare's EOD next, since marv brought that up. Also I repeat that I'm completely unable to read marv. I have no clue about his alignment. So my agenda is the following: 1. look into Holyflare's EOD. Two reasons: a) I had a scum lean on him, then refrained from that. I hope to solidify my town lean. b) marv does not like HF's EOD. Maybe going deep into that will give me some clues about marv. 2. go through my top scum reads and try to find more that speaks against them. Emphasis lies on: a) WoS, because I feel like I lost grip on him/her and want to catch up, also I think (might be wrong) that he has been as "half scum" on Kelsier's scum list + Show Spoiler + wave - I think calling clarity town at the time he did was strange and it was like he was purposefully trying to go against thread sentiment. Clarity has retracted the scum read but I'm not a fan b) Oatsmaster, because I agree that around EOD, I did not read into his posts with any reasoning behind it but only with a "that guy is scum and he's writing bullshit" mindset which did not help to keep an objective stance. there was 1 more (i picked the most recent 2) - if you go to the TL Mafia Database thread, people's games are all there. The reason i asked you to look at the mafiagames is that i think his tone is markedly different, and i'd say this game is much much closer to his town-tone. | ||
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On July 08 2015 23:48 marvellosity wrote: i'm probably the most obvious townie that's ever been seen, so you should probably work on your reading ability btw this gives me the heebie jeebies. In the champions of champions of champions game, there was 1 player who said more than once that he had no idea how to read me, despite the fact i was posting volumously and in a very natural, carefree manner (see here). And, well, you know where i'm going with this, he was mafia. | ||
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On July 08 2015 23:51 boxerfred wrote: I'm just having trust issues. You know, I got mislynched once. Or twice. that doesn't make sense. especially as i've not been hostile towards you at all. | ||
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On July 08 2015 23:56 boxerfred wrote: Yeah that's right, same thought came to my mind. Okay I trust you. I think scum marv would've had it way easier just attacking me (since we played some games already together, you probably know how fast I can get myself into deep shit when I'm emotional) instead of arguing reasonably with me. Also I like how you always bring up ritoky, very consistent. i just find it very weird how you're unable to townread me. like it's the scummiest thing you've done by far. but i didn't mind your other posts. *shrug* | ||
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On July 09 2015 00:02 Harkon wrote: His scumgame is good but not because it is so towny. ^^^^^^^^ | ||
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On July 09 2015 02:18 ruXxar wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 08 2015 23:08 rsoultin wrote: okay ruxxar. i've explained it all, but not concisely and not politely because i'm not polite but i'll do it solely to have it in one place and to say this is the last time i am going to discuss my trfel toneread or my interactions/read on hf, whether you keep ignoring that and tunneling with the same points or not reasons i'm tonereading truffle town: lightness with me (i catch him as mafia early, see student v where i opened with pressure on truffle for his weird read on ls, and greymist's game), joking that matches his dry humor, grumbling at me for saying i thought he was town (look at it this way: as scum he should be happy that he gets an rsoul townread and finally broke my streak...as town it makes a lot more sense to be irritated that i'm still getting a read off him off very few posts), and yes, not wanting to give an opinion on something he hasn't looked at is actually towny cause truffle holds himself to ridiculously high standards and spends an inordinate amount of time combing through posts before coming to a decision <- all of these things are very personal that i realize other people don't know about him and mean more to me than others, so i didn't go into it, just as i didn't go into it with my early toneread on damdy in himalayas the first exchange with hf: you're misrepresenting/misreading it. when hf first said he didn't need my opinion i let it go. i was actually discussing things with bresh and truffle when hf said "see, this post means his question to you wasn't trying to determine your alignment"...to which i responded that i didn't think that was the purpose of the question anyway and made a joke about hf forgetting how stubborn i was...he then basically told me to shut up and go into a corner and color, so yeah, i got pissed at him. i actually broke it off BEFORE the mod ever intervened, which frankly was probably for the post hf made right before the mod post...because that was ad hominem to a tee, basically saying no one gives a shit what i say because of my tonereads subsequently: i came back to the thread scumreading hf because i'd had time to cool down and where he said he was questioning truffle, he actually was saying, and yes i'm paraphrasing "you're scum cause you have mafiaitis. nothing you can say or do will change my mind. you may as well give up". plus the way he just threw shit at me when i wasn't doing anything. usually we only shitfight when he's scum, and i JUST came off a game where he and bugs did that to deliberately put me on tilt cause i'm fiery -_- i kept trying to get people to see what i was seeing and he kept on trying to say i was defending truffle and everyone else was taking that up, and it was supremely frustrating that people kept not understanding what i was trying to say...that hf never intended to get a read off truffle in the first place that continued with ignoring the fact that truffle was quizzing ls between the time of his townread and scumread on ls and had said he was writing something on him, instead just going hey! look! nothing has happened between these reads! me saying he's not reading was his clue to go back and read. hts did it. she saw it. hf should have. he preferred to fight me instead the only reason i left off hf was his point on truffle's case all coming from before he dropped the townread was actually good. i even tried to explain what my issue with him was more concisely, which works better when i'm not angry. it's still weird to me that he thinks telling someone they're scum and he won't ever change his mind is pressure, but i was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for the moment since yeah, even if he's scum not gonna lynch him d1 like ever >< was more productive to discuss reads but here i come back to the thread and he's back to jumping on me for nitnoidisms as for you, you're just parroting him like you two are butt buddies, and it feels a lot like being double-teamed...deja vu bugs and hf...plus i KNOW that you've seen i do this toneread thing and am willing to fight for it regardless if the so-called "evidence" when it comes to an actual lynch; see: GB, so why you find it so weird i'm doing it again this game i can't fathom most of this i've already said now i will ignore you unless you talk about something else or are actually willing to talk reads instead of whining about me being pissed at your misrepresentation and inattentiveness was that polite enough? also, yeah...i didn't get through the thread @.@ i'd just post a reads list, but it would only be for the sake of posting it cause it's outdated i really don't like hf still, or ruxx (though this could be OMGUS i'm willing to admit), and damdy felt off to me, too, but i want to read the section of the day i missed that had people scumreading him before i come to a judgment on that beyond that i think bresh/truffle/marv/geript are top townies for me...would add palmar to that but lol my track record with palmar >< someone else can read him I appreciate the change in tone here. 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two people have claimed cop, ritoky and milo after ritoky claimed cop he's done the bare minimum to be active, involved after milo claimed cop, he's at least been in the thread, giving reasons, being positive i think milo looks better than he did before the cop claim, actually doing things, compared to ritoky, who... meh don't like the milo push. | ||
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On July 09 2015 05:04 Clarity_nl wrote: I understand the difference between not agreeing with the push and not believing the push, but why is his push scum!MZ only? because i don't think town-MZ does this. lol. | ||
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On July 09 2015 05:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: lol well let's see what happens tonight. If milo is a cop he should be a much higher target than ritoky seeing as he's two shot. And milo's activity after claiming has been less than stellar. I'd be red reading him anyway without his terrible claim because of how bad his reads are. MILO'S ACTIVITY HAS BEEN 100X RITOKY | ||
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and come back to me with a straight face and say milo has done less i DARE you | ||
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ritoky claims 1-shot cop, milo claims 2-shot: 1-shot is less risky mafia claim milo's claim comes AFTER ritoky's, so he decides to claim the same thing but with 2-shot? milo has given multiple reads since his claim ritoky has wishywashyed around yet no mention of ritoky, and milo is mafia? read MZ's post #5 on this page, all the reasoning he gives for milo applies MORE to ritoky... ?????? | ||
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That just screams apathy to me, his stated reason for his claim is so that he doesn't get lynched. It may have shifted attention to him but come on, what town is actually gonna lynch a claimed cop D1. He knows he's bought himself at least a day with that play and two shot cop is not hard to fake. D2: "Oh guys so I checked one of the dead people, looks like they were <insert alignment> hurr durr." D3: "Oh guys I checked <insert name> and they're scum." Seriously, cop is so easy to fake as scum lol. If he survives tonight and doesn't produce a check I'm all for lynching him tomorrow. this is a case on ritoky, not milo... | ||
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On July 09 2015 05:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I really don't give a shit about activity, I give a shit about what they've said. Ritoky has basically fucked off all game using irl excuses, he claimed to avoid a lynch. I'm really not surprised he hasn't said anything since then. Milo started a halfassed push on me after the day post and that's really it. Just being active doesn't give you an automatic green card. If shit was that simple then we'd just start lynching people based on post count. I don't believe milo's claim and I don't think anything he's said townie. and you think this is coming from a townie?!?!? | ||
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That just screams apathy to me, his stated reason for his claim is so that he doesn't get lynched. It may have shifted attention to him but come on, what town is actually gonna lynch a claimed cop D1. He knows he's bought himself at least a day with that play and two shot cop is not hard to fake. D2: "Oh guys so I checked one of the dead people, looks like they were <insert alignment> hurr durr." D3: "Oh guys I checked <insert name> and they're scum." Seriously, cop is so easy to fake as scum lol. If he survives tonight and doesn't produce a check I'm all for lynching him tomorrow. Ritoky has basically fucked off all game using irl excuses, he claimed to avoid a lynch. I'm really not surprised he hasn't said anything since then. milo mafia, ritoky town got it makes perfect sense to me | ||
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On July 09 2015 05:16 ruXxar wrote: To be fair, he no longer had the option of claiming 1-shot, so that's not really a point in his favor. If he claimed 1 shot to contest ritoky, then we'd basically have to kill them both and kill 1 mafia guaranteed. With the claim of 2-shot he can just produce any random green check as Mafia and still live for multiple days. of course he did you can have multiple one-shot of the same role. none of your points make sense | ||
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ritoky has been in the thread multiple times, and their filters are 5 and 4 pages long. like... the distinction is so dumb. | ||
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On July 09 2015 05:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: lol ur cute marv, all of Palmar's attitude but none of his skill. hahahahahahaha hahahahahaha why don't you ask Palmar himself how he rates my skill? | ||
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On July 09 2015 05:43 Harkon wrote: Major scumMZ flashbacks right now. Ridiculing his attackers. ^_^ | ||
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my milo read is but a bitpart | ||
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On July 09 2015 05:51 Holyflare wrote: So anyone wanna discuss the possibility that milo made his giant association cases because he knows mz is mafia? heh. possible actually :p | ||
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On July 09 2015 05:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Oh goodness you deigned to answer me, I feel so honored. I have already explained where I see the differences between milo and ritoky and they have not met your muster. Similarly I fail to see how milo's posting has been better since EoD but apparently it's been enough for you to give him a slight townread. yes your explanations are bad because they don't come from a natural standpoint. that's kinda the point of it. | ||
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On July 09 2015 06:03 Harkon wrote: Marv, any opinion about Palmar so far? there's some townie posts but it's not enough for me to be confident | ||
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just that i could understand although breshke and obi are kinda weaker townreads than kels for me | ||
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On July 09 2015 06:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I disagree. I've got townleans on the other two there. Marv not being in it is weird but I'd wager he still has a townread on Marv anyhow. no you don't get it he asked about those 3 people, clarity just said he had townreads on them he wasn't giving an exhaustive list | ||
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On July 09 2015 11:10 geript wrote: I don't find 6 roles that unbelievable especially if there is a good mix of mafia. Especially when (pretending everyone's town) all the roles are limited in use reading through and i was about to make this comment. 1-shot and 2-shot jks and cops are quite obviously considerably weaker than their fullblown counterparts, so i don't get this "too many blues" sentiment | ||
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On July 09 2015 12:15 Damdred wrote: I'm not arguing against lynching me honestly. why didn't you jail me? | ||
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On July 09 2015 12:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Just an fyi that I still don't know what's going on right now but I've stopped reading and decided to play mkx instead. I'll catch up in a bit. As an aside, is there any particular reason we shouldn't lynch MZ's face off? kinda what i want to do still. | ||
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because Marv has enough of an ego to believe he would be targeted by a JK or a banisher based on his play so he wouldn't risk putting kp on himself. "has enough of an ego to believe"? I *was* banished. Jeez. | ||
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On July 09 2015 14:25 ritoky wrote: This post is the reason why I really think milo is also a cop: Someone was bugging him about limitations on his shots and he responded: I am afraid to explain it much more than that cuz of rules. i knew this was the reason but i still didn't understand why | ||
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On July 09 2015 18:34 geript wrote: Marv' Im really sleep and playing daily mafia... What do you think of damdred? he seems a good lynch just because jking ritoky is so silly. i read everything last night when i was really baked up to p185 i think, but couldn't wrap my head around it. the problem is i don't have any sort of read on Damdred beyond this stuff so i'd just have to be sure that him visting ritoky meant he was mafia. i liked clarity's case on milo too, which i guess makes it more likely damdred is mafia. | ||
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honestly it might take other people being sure for me. which i'm ok with. | ||
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On July 09 2015 19:20 Harkon wrote: Look if you promise me to be a good little sheep today I might even tell you where the mafia KP went last night. Deal? call me a pathetic whore and you might have a deal | ||
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On July 09 2015 19:30 Harkon wrote: Oh, and marv is a pathetic whore. *swoons* ##Vote: Damdred | ||
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On July 09 2015 19:36 Harkon wrote: It is also interesting that mafia did not shoot HF even though they were dodging marv. Still think he could absolutely be mafia. mm. | ||
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On July 09 2015 19:59 Clarity_nl wrote: I don't get this. Why shoot Harkon over either the "second cop" or you, if there are two cops? see bolded obviously hitting me is/was a bad idea. | ||
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On July 09 2015 20:02 ruXxar wrote: Like if milo is mafia wanting to appear as a believable cop, then the play that gives him the best chance of survival is absolutely to claim a fake green check on someone. Instead he makes the suboptimal play of claiming a red check, then rescinding. I can't really make that fit in a milo mafia world. bolded and italics are two different things | ||
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On July 09 2015 20:04 Clarity_nl wrote: I mean maybe I'm just bad but that's something that can easily backfire. I think ritoky with a red check on say... Vivax would have been able to pull town around. Like when milo claimed a red check on me HF immediately went "always killing clarity first here always" i don't quite understand what you're saying | ||
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On July 09 2015 20:07 Clarity_nl wrote: I think I would never agree to letting a cop get a check off as scum if both cops were known.. to "cause confusion". Seems super convoluted to me. Like what town medic is gonna guess between ritoky/milo and protect one? but the point is only one of them is a real cop and they rbed him, so there is no check | ||
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wanting to appear believable = a red check more so than an easy-to-make green check. if he wants to appear believable, claim a red. if i assume milo is mafia, then the scumteam mentality is that milo is dead in the water, and it's just how much time he can buy before he goes under. the goal for milo is not to survive indefinitely. | ||
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Tone + the things he picked out being why. | ||
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On July 09 2015 20:52 Breshke wrote: So then why are people saying Marv could have been hit and arnt calling hardon mafia because hardon only just claimed | ||
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i'm used to being told that, it's fine | ||
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On July 09 2015 23:07 rsoultin wrote: 100% it's not quite the same as HF's red check, but if there's one thing i'm fucking amazing at it's evaluating claims, and i see absolutely no scum benefit for harkon to fakeclaim vet here this doesn't take a genius | ||
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On July 09 2015 23:12 Harkon wrote: I'd like to think a town damdred would habe JK'ed marv especially if unsure. I certainly would have. yes, it's the fact that jailing me takes literally zero thought. it's not like he or anyone else was umming and ahhing on my alignment this game. Plus Damdy <3s me anyway. | ||
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On July 09 2015 23:13 Breshke wrote: Yeah but the RB doesn't mean much at this point really. This is a dumb thing to talk about thought because it doesn't matter my bad you srs? killing RB is huge | ||
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On July 09 2015 23:15 Harkon wrote: If damdred is mafia and we lynch him then unless mafia has 2 rbs scum is forced to kill both ritoky and geript unless they want to let them get another check. Which means marv and me are both alive day3. fuck | ||
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On July 09 2015 23:20 Harkon wrote: He deserves it. Palmar died saving him and he didn't even manage to get shot. What a scrub. I like to think mafia came to my house to kill me, and saw Palmar leaving after performing some tricksy Palmar magic. And decided that they might as well kill Palmar instead, now that I was safely hidden behind a hex. | ||
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TMIing it up the place with his milo/ritoky stuff, it looks like. | ||
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but it does make sense if he knows milo is mafia and ritoky isn't mafia. that's the most obvious explanation for why milo was mafia for being "apathetic" whereas ritoky was town for being "absent" (can't get over the lols of this) | ||
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On July 09 2015 23:28 LightningStrike wrote: That wasn't the point. The point was that either got lucky or they had felt like Palmar could of been blue or felt like he was a big enough threat(WTF) that he should of been night killed anyways. Also it kinda bugging me that HF is alive atm but maybe when Day 3 comes we could talk about HF. scum always shoot palmar, it's one of those things. | ||
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On July 09 2015 23:29 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: I mean we could talk about the palmar NK at this point and its implications given he was barely playing. There has to be at least one vet on the scum team so that narrows things down considerably for later imo. Probably just meapakk though lol. Not really sure what else there is to discuss today so back to work. yeah, i had a list of names in my head at some point. something like me/wave/mz/hf came to mind when i thought about it earlier. | ||
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On July 09 2015 23:30 Harkon wrote: Yes, HF is rightfully bugging you. The good thing is we have like 2-3 lynches lined up right now. If HF is still alive once that's done you remaining people should probably lynch him. If it is LYLO at some point and he is there you should DEFINITELY lynch him. at some point i am going to write a post saying "LYNCH HF AT LYLO" with lots of capital letters and bold and underline and large text, telling townies to quote it in lylo and just do it. | ||
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On July 09 2015 23:30 LightningStrike wrote: Is it because he is a Medic Dodge like Eden? that's a big part of it plus it's basically impossible to mislynch palmar when i'm in the game | ||
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i was mafia | ||
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On July 09 2015 23:34 Harkon wrote: And town was derping. Don't let marv tell you he would never mislynch Palmar, LS. We already established that this is a lie :p it's why i added the rider "basically" :p | ||
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On July 09 2015 23:36 LightningStrike wrote: I didn't I was just making a funny point that another good player was scum he got lynched lol. (Although I think your point was if you and Palmar are town together he is very hard to mislynch) that was my point, yes. See XXX for an obvious example. | ||
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On July 10 2015 00:42 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: Honestly if my filter was my filter + 8 pages of complete shitposting then I would be a townread, lets not deny that. Try to ignore filter size even though I ironically am using it to townread certain players. i do think you're town. | ||
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On July 10 2015 01:10 milo109 wrote: When Damdred flips town you will have to argue that the probability of him stacking with mafia times the probability of Ritoky not being mafia is higher than the chance I'm town. So I'm leaving the question of my scumminess aside until after he flips town. Let's focus on the mafia here. HF and probably Clarity are my top scun at the moment. I'm fine lynching EBH as well. MZ is town because? | ||
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On July 10 2015 01:15 milo109 wrote: I have to pick between him and Clarity, and Thid past day he has played like someone who doesn't know what the hell is going on. I think that's towny for a newer player. MZ has been playing for 5 years | ||
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On July 10 2015 01:21 Holyflare wrote: Omg plz i poe basically the whole mafia team and point out all the bs tmi reads and rsoultin thinks I'm mafia because my vote was on milo before geript claimed the track? You reading this bs rofl? tbf i did think the vote on milo was a little odd at that stage... | ||
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On July 10 2015 01:26 Clarity_nl wrote: While milo is collecting his thoughts or whatever, marv why do you think EBH is town? I don't see it. apart from what i already posted, his posting seems relatively straightforward and natural i guess. | ||
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On July 10 2015 01:37 Clarity_nl wrote: Oh right. Yeah I did like that. It took me a while to process because when his post just happened I was a little upset at the bluehunting, lol. I'll take a look at HF once we run out of sound lynches but tbh I still think he's pretty darn town. Maybe you guys all just have the fear because apparently he's a great scum player, the same way the thought of marv being scum always crawls around until I shake it off. The only thing I don't like is the whole "waaaah no one is listening to me and omg someone called me scum OMGUS" he's easily the best scumplayer the site's ever seen, so yea. i don't have "the fear" though, i just relate to him a lot less than i did during the first part of d1. happy to not put myself out there either way atm | ||
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On July 10 2015 02:40 Clarity_nl wrote: I don't wanna put too much work in at the moment. Damdred is getting lynched and people gonna die n2 so I'd rather have the extra information rather than waste my time now. Does that make me a bad? :S town!milo should feel the opposite though. Apparently he thinks Damdred is town but is fine with lynching him, and he doesn't wanna defend himself until we pile on the votes d3 (?!) not sure that's entirely fair | ||
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On July 10 2015 02:42 geript wrote: Marv. I have an important question for you when I get back. i'm here | ||
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On July 10 2015 02:44 Clarity_nl wrote: How so? He showed up and went "when damdred flips town then I'll continue playing the game". His posts prior to that are all him concluding that damdred is JK. ok maybe it is entirely fair | ||
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On July 10 2015 03:07 geript wrote: Are you going to give my magic reads any credence whatsoever if Damdred flips mafia? no but i will listen when you explain them in a clear/concise manner, like i already did this game when you stopped pricking around | ||
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On July 10 2015 03:14 geript wrote: I think you should listen to them. There's always a logic to them and lots of times I struggle to find the reason. Like I'm not always right, eg oats, but there is always underlying logic. I just feel really gyped when you guys don't listen to my crazy reads. I ask because I've kinda formulated that I don't want to lynch HF or Wave. There's a few more people bouncing around inside my head but eh. right, and you're not always right, e.g. Oats (probably). i can't just randomly pick and choose which of your unexplained reads is right and which isn't. | ||
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On July 10 2015 03:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: lool marv you just can't let it go. Anyway I'm down for a damdred lynch today. I'd be fine with milo tomorrow obviously but I also think we should be considering wave/vivax/scott who have all pulled the disappearing act which would make sense if their scum buddies are currently under scrutiny and they don't want to be forced to comment on it. can't hold it back anymore | ||
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On July 10 2015 04:10 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I know it may be hard for you to entertain a world where you're wrong about something, however you have already flipped sides on ritoky/milo but it's ok for you because you did it for the "natural reasons" whereas my read based on their attitudes to the game was "wrong." Anyway if you could pull your head out for a minute and look at wave/vivax/scott that'd be great i love your digs, they're hilarious i'm one of the least tunnelly players on TL Mafia, and i am literally always entertaining the idea i'm wrong. Ask anyone. | ||
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On July 10 2015 04:59 milo109 wrote: I have written about the possibility of two RBs. However, there is no way for me to prove it... at all. So if Damdred flips scum, I'm afraid I will be the next one on the copping block. I think this quote suits the occasion: "You do not seek to kill me, Mafia scum?" called Milo, "Above such brutality, are you?" "We both know there are other ways of destroying a man, Milo." The mafia said calmly. "Merely taking your life would not satisfy me, I admit – " "There is nothing worse than death, Mafia!" snarled Milo. "You are quite wrong," said the Mafia,"Indeed your failure to understand that there are things much worse than death has always been your greatest weakness –" Anyway. Away from the silliness. I think HF is mafia. I think there is a good probability that Scott is mafia. You as well. Harkon is bothering me too. The problem is, this game is so screwed up because of the claims. Until I know something for certain, there is no way to tell. Someone said something about them not killing me in the night on day 1, and I thought it was super scummy. I'll find it when I reread. I think I know the WIFOM reason Ritoky called me town, and that makes me think he is town as well. There is no "Harkon is bothering me". you either think he's lying about his claim or you do not. There is no grey. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:33 milo109 wrote: How is this the best player who has ever played on the site. O.o This is such an anti-town phrase. Down with people who refute arguments with well you're wrong on me. best *scumplayer | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:40 milo109 wrote: Of course there is grey. This is mafia. The game is about the grey. I think he is lying, but the odds tell me he is not. So I'm willing to wait for more evidence until I call him scum. on what basis do you think he is lying? | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:47 Holyflare wrote: I can be 100% sure stop it, it's annoying. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:51 Holyflare wrote: what if i told you i was cheating and know you're mafia? Holy -.- cmon man | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:56 Clarity_nl wrote: So a scenario in which damdred is JK, harkon is vet and milo is scum: 1 kp on marv 1 kp on harkon damdred JK > ritoky scum RB > ritoky milo claims he was roleblocked. Tah dah, a scenario where damdred is town and it all fits. Like I don't believe it's the case, but it's possible, just saying. quite possible, yes, it only relies on Damdred being a silly. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:05 ritoky wrote: Paint me your likely scenario of night actions this past night. Also open to hearing cases on LS and rsoul. i like this also how you rationalise 3 protective roles, if that's what you do | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:14 LightningStrike wrote: I was just trying to shut down Damdred's push onto me since he's clearly scum at this point. if he's clearly scum then his push is irrelevant use your brain, deary | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:19 Holyflare wrote: unless you're messing with my heart then fu damdy he's obviously trolling | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:23 Damdred wrote: ##sick plays Plus his posts defending,me early before he let pressure build and him saying the. Heck,isn't damning if this is true, i don't love you anymore, damdy. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:29 Harkon wrote: To make this clear: I am not buying this unless geript comes in here and confirms and noone else should either. yeah i've basically zoned out. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:32 geript wrote: First things first. Who got gunned today? No. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:36 geript wrote: No. I'd shoot MZ first. Who got gunned? There's literally no reason to... Wait nm. They shoot at night. Please disregard. *rolls eyes* | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:38 Harkon wrote: Thank you for wasting half our day you goddamn retards. kinda my feelings too, except i'm extremely zen so i'm ok. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:42 geript wrote: I already answered this. My vote in the least should continue to answer this. Like I'd love to have a sick townread on Damdred and claim to be mason but I can't. I'm not BH. I don't make cases on my mason partners. Like it's only slightly obvious. I just don't know who I want to kill first. Also, two things. You need to never fucking claim ever again. I will start lynching you if you claim any role in the game if there's not halfway decent purpose. Second. you 100% have to claim who you gun at the end of every night from now on until you're out of guns. It sucks but it's more important for town to know who has your gun than to prevent scum from knowing who has your gun. I might change my mind on that, but eh. For now that's how I feel. So Damdred is confirmed mafia.... | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:44 Clarity_nl wrote: No I believe geript is just being absolutely retarded. There's no way damdred makes this up. i told you, trolling. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:45 LightningStrike wrote: I will tell who have the gun like 3 mins before End of Night for until I run out of guns. don't do this | ||
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On July 10 2015 14:23 Trfel wrote: It turns out you answered it like 3 posts above, so... I've tried to talk to people a few times, but no one seems to want to talk to me at all. And I can't blame them, I don't really know anything XD I think I'm happy with a Damdred lynch today, and I'm comfortable with the associative milo109 scumread, and still scumreading Holyflare. how am i supposed to read you as town? | ||
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On July 10 2015 15:21 Trfel wrote: He does it as town, and he knows he does it as town. But this doesn't mean he can't do it as scum, it's not hard to do? Meta that is easily broken is useless. Also, note how he reacted to the early cop claims that people made.... Would he really comment on the stupidity of every single one and then claim really stupidly himself as town? It was basically revealed that LightningStrike was likely a power role early on, yet he (almost certainly) wasn't targeted for night kills and wasn't roleblocked. He claimed in a sea of other blue claims, when as mafia it could likely appear that the game is very difficult. Furthermore, all of the other blue claims made his claim less risky (less chance of counterclaim) and stick out less. Plus, XEliteBluehunter69X (or whatever his name is) claimed the gun for no reason at all. That just adds way more suspicion to LightningStrike's claim. but his role is confirmable by someone saying they have a gun. unless he wants to drag mafiabuddies into it. this is ridiculous. | ||
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On July 10 2015 19:05 Vivax wrote: Idk what Damdred was thinking when he tried to claim mason with geript, it sligthly gets my tinfoil going. This day is pretty much autopilot so don't feel like doing much. Just gonna slap my vote where it belongs. you know you might get lynched if you don't find some energy from somewhere at some point, right? | ||
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On July 10 2015 20:51 milo109 wrote: I don't understand why people keep saying there are too many roles. This is a 25 person game. 3 cop checks is not excessive. yes it is, really | ||
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On July 10 2015 20:55 Holyflare wrote: If all of you people are going to say my push on rsoultin is shit while simultaneously saying her play is sub par and wonder why i keep copy and pasting the case WHILE STILL NOBODY BUT RITOKY SAYS A WORD ABOUT IT Then I'm seriously not going to give a crap and will just treat her as confirmed town no matter what anyone says ever. You don't even look at her filter while spewing nonsense jat it's so tedious. look, i'll listen when i need to listen. just every time you're in the thread, the thread goes all angry, and i'm generally in a fairly docile state of mind lately and i don't want to have to wade through the anger to get to the nub of it. i imagine we'll both be alive d3, and possibly d4 too, so yea. | ||
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On July 10 2015 21:29 Clarity_nl wrote: That said, marv you expect to have a decent chance of being alive d4? several blue high priority targets | ||
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On July 10 2015 21:41 Clarity_nl wrote: I did in fact forget geript the confirmed townie. Yeah okay good point. Marv why you so townie? Like last time you were scum I thought you were townie but I had my doubts but basically no doubts this game how do you do that? Anyway, as happy as I am with a milo lynch tomorrow I'm kinda worried that if everything stagnates cause we got our lynches lined up we kinda lose if he somehow flips town. the ability to post without having to think first not being called mafia also really helps me. a lot. | ||
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so either you're mafia or you've become way too obsessed with how he's been answering your questions or asking you questions, whatever your problem is/was. | ||
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On July 10 2015 22:10 Clarity_nl wrote: Rsoultin do you get some kinda notification on your phone when HF posts about you? LOL <3 | ||
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go away. alienating me by posting shit like that is not in your best interests whatever your alignment. | ||
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god you're a whiner. whine whine whine. waaa waaa waaa boohohoohohohohohohhohoohohohooo world's smallest violin. christ. | ||
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i got nasty about it by posting "go away" ? (you ranted at me after that) someone suffering from egocentric problems methinks. oh well, this isn't productive. i'm gonna stop before I become HF II | ||
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On July 10 2015 22:30 rsoultin wrote: i tried to think of a way to say what i'm trying to say without cursing people out and i can't so yeah -_- whatever i've stayed too long anyway when you get a chance marv can you PLEASE revisit what i'm saying about ruxx in himalayas >< i'll even pretend the threatening doesn't piss me off it wasn't a threat. it was just a statement of truth. alienating me isn't a good idea, it's not a threat, it means if you're mafia i'll try to lynch you more and it means if you're town you'll get listened to less. There is no threat. But yes. I will go and read ruxx in Himalayas at some point. I'm lovely like that. | ||
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On July 10 2015 22:35 rsoultin wrote: heh -_- i'll try to come back in a better frame of mind? best i can do lol >< ciao you just need to approach the thread with a clear head or something. i'm having a lot of fun this game and i'd prefer it if you did too. | ||
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On July 10 2015 23:25 milo109 wrote: Am I allowed to ask why I am auto? Is it because you believe Ritoky is town and don't think there are two RBs? Is it because I refuse to be bullied off my reads? Or is that I'm way too good at predicting the game? definitely the last one | ||
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On July 10 2015 23:39 Half the Sky wrote: I'm a hardcore runner Marv. I cannot help it. If you have something better (do you run?) I've been running a little over the summer. But it's a lot of effort, i prefer weights :p i just think if running is a metaphor for life, then life sucks. Replace "running" with "sex" and the quote instantly gets better. | ||
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On July 10 2015 23:50 LightningStrike wrote: Oh god lol. Well I should take up running but I got very little motivation to do it :| take up sex instead? | ||
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On July 11 2015 00:02 Harkon wrote: LS, ignore marv. He is 12. can confirm | ||
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On July 11 2015 00:24 milo109 wrote: Fine. I'll vote for myself on the condition that if I flip two-shot cop, you lynch HF and if he flips red you lynch boxer. or we can just refuse and lynch you anyway | ||
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On July 11 2015 00:36 milo109 wrote: Clarity, I said I would get to it at lunch. But I'm not really in the mood to write up a long rebuttal that will just be ignored. I'll be back after the flip. i won't ignore it, fwiw. | ||
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On July 11 2015 00:54 ruXxar wrote: lol, i was about to read through your filter and just realized it's 24 pages long -_-. Can you tell me why you think MZ is scum? didn't buy his umming and ahhing on BM when he came back his treatment of milo/ritoky made zero sense. i explained this very well tbh. angry scummy ad hom at me his posts are literally written in red | ||
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On July 11 2015 01:12 ruXxar wrote: As for his treament of milo / ritoky, I actually agree with MZ on his apathy statement about milo. I find the way that milo acted to be really weird throughout the game and especially after geript outed his tracking claim on damdred and his reaction to that. the question isn't if milo is apathetic, the question is how he can handwave ritoky's play away as "absent and town" and yet call milo's "scummy and apathetic". The distinction is nonsense. | ||
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On July 09 2015 05:14 marvellosity wrote: milo mafia, ritoky town got it makes perfect sense to me this. one is a mafia case and one is a towncase, essentially. it's so bad. | ||
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On July 11 2015 03:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Well that's pretty damn weak. Vivax does the same thing wave does. Come in, make an excuse for his play, and bails. A townie doesn't go "hey guys, sorry I'm bad, gonna keep being bad until you lynch me" a townie tries their best to appear town. Vivax and wave aren't thinking like that, they're just trying to find excuses for their scummy play rather than actually try to appear more townie by helping scum hunt. you've played enough that you can't genuinely believe this is true in a blanket fashion | ||
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On July 11 2015 04:35 Vivax wrote: Cute case, good effort but we're lynching Damdred today and the next day decide what to do with milo. A lot of your points is that I have no followup on things, that's true, cause when I don't find resonance on a player for something I found suspicious I just move on and look elsewhere for something that convinces more people. And at the time I posted those maybe 2 other people were scumreading geript, and everybody except you didn't seem interested in what I wrote about Damdred. I don't try to push myself into the foreground to lynch a single player if my best arguments weren't perceived as strong or interesting in the first place, especially not on D1. Several shit-tastic tunnels you've made on me d1 say otherwise | ||
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On July 11 2015 05:16 Clarity_nl wrote: When I pointed it out it's like... I dunno, like he would be yelling rsoultin is scum, and then when rsoultin points out a reason HF is scum he would spend two paragraphs explaining why he would do said thing as either scum or town. He didn't do it because rsoultin's argument was scummy, but rather only to defend himself, which is weird if he is relatively confident that rsoultin is scum. Stuff like that. Like obviously you get accused you defend yourself but he takes every little thing and then acts like he needs to fight his hardest to not get lynched on the spot, and that kinda defensiveness I see coming from scum more than town. It's just a feeling tho I can tell you, for free, that I do that a lot more as town than mafia. And HF is in general quite a similar-minded person to me. | ||
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On July 11 2015 05:17 Harkon wrote: Sure. It is impressive how you manage to point things like this out but are able to avoid giving an opinion on him like the plague. yes, I'm quite impressed myself. | ||
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On July 11 2015 05:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I changed my mind, I want to get shot now just so I can gloat at how bad/wrong you are. I wouldn't mind you as a player marv but your ego is just impossible for me to deal with, always has been for me. i have 24 pages filter or something and i think the only egotistical thing i've said is that if i tunnel someone d1 they're usually mafia you should reconsider your read :p | ||
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On July 11 2015 05:28 Damdred wrote: I've played horribly but I might as well leave thoughts as I die i'm about to go get ready to go out and the fact you even bothered to post means i now longer feel secure in the flip. Sad times | ||
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On July 11 2015 05:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: You're probably town, I wasn't scum reading you. You're a decent player just not as good as you think you are and I find your attitude abrasive sometimes. If you somehow think I'm a better vigi shot than wave vivax scott I really have no response because I don't understand how you think that. From tactical standpoint I think shooting me is terrible given what I've already outlined but like I said, now I kinda want to die bc it's gonna be hilarious watching you be wrong. you misunderstand. your egotistical read, not your town/mafia read. if i'm wrong i'll shrug and move on | ||
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On July 11 2015 05:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Do you really actually think I'm a better shot than wave or vivax? Why? Literally the only reason you think I'm scum is that you didn't understand my read on milo/ritoky (which you now agree with). There's a quote in someone's sig somewhere. maybe bugs' sig, or maybe the sig is a quote from bugs. it's about the timings of being correct. something about being correct at the right and wrong times. and in this case the reasoning behind it. like sure i can be wrong on you, i just don't think i am. i think you'll flip red, and if you don't, it was an incorrect read on my part (obviously). i also personally think your push on Vivax/Wave is kinda shallow. It's a very typical "they're lazy = scum", it seems pretty unnuanced, it seems formulaic. | ||
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On July 11 2015 11:30 rsoultin wrote: lol apparently i'm kinkier than you are. shame not me though. not that that's any use to you at all :p | ||
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On July 11 2015 11:31 rsoultin wrote: hiiiiiii ^^ i swam. it was blissful! \o/ do you get why hf likes scott? well i've not read what he said and i can't remember what he said before i do remember looking at his filter like 10 times at the end of day 1 trying to be sure enough to start a wagon on him but i never was, but i can't remember right now why | ||
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On July 11 2015 22:46 Clarity_nl wrote: Why is a milo shot bad, anyway? There's no one really defending him so are we getting information by lynching him that we wouldn't by shooting him or? It's entirely possible that I'm being dumb he could actually be cop and he could actually get a check? | ||
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On July 11 2015 23:10 ruXxar wrote: Like, it's not hard to get my name right. Either you type ruxxar or you can type ruxx. You know that a persons name is their most precious belonging? q.q /endrant you do realise it's this reaction that makes me keep doing it, yes? | ||
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On July 11 2015 23:14 Half the Sky wrote: From a mechanics standpoint I'm just trying to consider that with 4 conf blues flying around (DT rit, tracker, banisher, and gunsmith) how aren't there two RBs? What scum setup with 1 RB would counter all that? i don't understand your point we've had millions of 30 player normals with 6+ blues and only one roleblocker. what's so odd? | ||
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On July 11 2015 23:22 ruXxar wrote: What makes the 2 RB world more likely, is that the fact that even though some roles are only 1 or 2 shot, the fact that you have so many of them and they can all be used independently, really stacks the game in towns favor. no this just isn't right. see my last comment, and harkon's. | ||
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On July 11 2015 23:23 Half the Sky wrote: Really? Alright then. This is only my third ever large normal. And after Titanic 7 with two JKs, I'm just thinking to never discount the possibility of a two RBs game. no it's not impossible. Unprecedented (i think) but not impossible. | ||
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i said earlier that scum would have had to have decided to push on to the thread of an unprecedented 2 RB world, which seems unlikely as a collective decision. i can see the world, though, that a milo-scum just kinda did things of his own accord without thinking them through that much. it would make what he did a poor decision, but players (on their own) make poor decisions all the time. | ||
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On July 11 2015 23:32 Harkon wrote: Which poor decision? He did the correct play as scum with claiming rb since it was not unlikely that we would have lynched ritoky before him. The clarity check was a play to get towncred and I don't think he would have ever kept it up. i don't think so. claiming a check (either colour tbh) was a better decision. although i take your point, he claimed before geript's check right, so he might have just been hoping he could swing a lynch against the cop before he died afterwards. yeah maybe. makes sense. | ||
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On July 11 2015 23:41 Harkon wrote: Claiming a check means he wasn't rbed OR killed. BAD play. fine, fine. fine. right. | ||
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On July 11 2015 23:49 rsoultin wrote: demonstrate where i disrupted people trying to question trfel, because i didn't xP uh.... you spent the whole of d1 arguing with HF who was just trying to push trfel | ||
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On July 12 2015 00:24 geript wrote: Marv have you read Tina's filter? not a chance | ||
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On July 12 2015 00:29 geript wrote: Well do it and use control+f to search for Damdred. I just find it really exceptionally odd how often she talks about not liking his LS read (or reads in general) while not seeming to have an opinion on Damdred whatsoever. eh i dunno. that post she explained to me why she didn't like damdred... | ||
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On July 12 2015 01:09 ruXxar wrote: The thing is rsoul, that I can't see any town motivation for doing what you did. I might attribute it to just being a thing between you and HF that just sparks into a shitfight, but in my eyes it still looks anti-town and scummy. just to clarify - are you able to make the distinction between anti-town and scummy? townies do bad shit and anti-town shit ALL the time. rsoultin is known to be pretty argumentative at the best of times | ||
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On July 12 2015 02:44 Harkon wrote: For MZ take a look at PYP: League of Legends mafia. He continuously antagonized the townies who pushed him and tried to ridicule them. Exactly like he did with marv here. It is actually one of the reasons why he is mafia. indeed he did it to me there. | ||
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On July 12 2015 02:47 Harkon wrote: Not only you. Didn't even remember he did it to you too - I remember you being dead pretty early. i basically made the case on him before i replaced out. | ||
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On July 12 2015 02:53 LightningStrike wrote: LOL he is totes scum I saw some of this behavior of MZ in the first two pages of his filter LOL. I will more of it later but who I gave the gun to in the mean time: Shoot MZ or I will get town to lynch you. ^ LS seal of approval kill him KILL HIM | ||
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On July 12 2015 03:02 Harkon wrote: Holy shit I am reading his filter from there and it all fits. He is doing the aforementioned insulting to me and I was confirmed town there too because I had already shot mafia. Then he tells mig to shoot him like he did here and all his scumreads were lurkers like they are here. Just kill him already. why do you think i keep saying kill him | ||
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On July 11 2015 05:39 marvellosity wrote: There's a quote in someone's sig somewhere. maybe bugs' sig, or maybe the sig is a quote from bugs. it's about the timings of being correct. something about being correct at the right and wrong times. and in this case the reasoning behind it. like sure i can be wrong on you, i just don't think i am. i think you'll flip red, and if you don't, it was an incorrect read on my part (obviously). i also personally think your push on Vivax/Wave is kinda shallow. It's a very typical "they're lazy = scum", it seems pretty unnuanced, it seems formulaic. | ||
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On July 12 2015 04:18 Harkon wrote: Marv, you there? hey. we had my parents/gran over for dinner. | ||
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17. marv - tonally town...maybe a bit too nice? but i think i'd rather chalk that up to "fulfilled" (teehee) given his investment i have a thread-inappropriate explanation xD | ||
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On July 12 2015 06:26 Harkon wrote: Opinion on LS telling us right before deadline at least who he gave the gun to night 1`? as long as it's of the "literally counting down the seconds to make sure it's only 5 seconds before deadline" sort of post. | ||
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On July 12 2015 06:28 LightningStrike wrote: I will tell everyone 3 mins before EoN. no, not 3 minutes literally a few seconds | ||
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On July 12 2015 06:25 rsoultin wrote: i'm apparently a mindreader xP or a >> << waaaait for iiiiiit >> << tonereader!! i'll PM you post-game | ||
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only #sheep today. | ||
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no, not reading, don't plan to right now. | ||
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On July 13 2015 18:40 Clarity_nl wrote: Hello marv. On a scale of 1/10 how sad are you MZ flipped town? I'm kinda worried, probably not needed, but I do remember you as scum doing the whole "I was wrong I'll just sheep you guys from now on" thing. have any thoughts on things? Like Vivax? like this? when? i'm sadder than i thought i was going to be. I've not read anything at all this phase. I'll comment on a post if you link it to me though. | ||
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On July 13 2015 18:46 Holyflare wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?page=291#5812 this would entail reading her filter :/ | ||
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Only there must be like at least 2 people I think are/might be town who just aren't. Makes me want to kill Trfel/Wave. Although if they've posted, not necessarily. eh. | ||
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maybe a little more than you'd think? i get the (and i think have made it as well in thread, if not i thought i) not giving fucks = town argument, Wave does things as mafia argument. but i also think wave has *some* will to win, *some* desire to solve the game as town. i'm finding it all harder to believe as the game goes on. | ||
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On July 13 2015 21:01 Half the Sky wrote: Last engagement I had with Wave was him trying to figure out the scum amongst those who wanted him dead. I ran a few names by him - Vivax, BF, ruXxar (I think), Clarity, obv he didn't know the new people. Then he tried to get a read on me. And that was pretty much it. I know he says his scumhunting is that bad but is it really that bad? Even then I think EBH/Scott is the way to go over him. Why not consider them? Either of them? because i like EBH's posts more than I like Wave's. scott - maybe | ||
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On July 13 2015 21:58 Breshke wrote: wait trefel is on both lists that is my bad they can co exist together i guess in case you are unclear ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/vzwGR48.jpg) | ||
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and "monstrosity"? bitch pls. | ||
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On July 13 2015 22:21 Clarity_nl wrote: I made some adjustments ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/rHW3jcs) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/rHW3jcs.jpg) <3 | ||
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On July 13 2015 22:39 ruXxar wrote: I need learn to draw like this. Where do I sign up for lessons? you can't teach natural flair | ||
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On July 13 2015 22:57 ruXxar wrote: I get so damn enyvous every time I see people drawing amazing stuff with just a pencil. I'm like I WANT THAT, then I pick up a book and start drawing a turd. After 10 minutes I'm like fuck that, too much effort. I was recently at a job interview for my current job where they asked me to draw 4 things in my life that was important to me. I was stressed out since my drawing is terrible. They came in and I just saw them with a big grin on their faces miring my stick man drawings. I suppressed the embarrassment like a boss though and got the job. hahaha. that story was surprisingly good. Art was my solid "D" subject while I had to take it at school. "Andrew, it looks like you drew that outside the classroom just now!" "uh......" | ||
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i had no concern about being "cool", thankfully. My tongue was acidic enough and i was strong enough that i didn't get bullied, and i could just be friends with who i wanted. | ||
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On July 13 2015 23:18 Harkon wrote: Well, there is nothing that indicates otherwise. feels like rsoultin dying would tell us a lot, overall. hf too | ||
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On July 13 2015 23:21 Harkon wrote: At least I am reasonably sure they aren't both town. who do you think is more likely to be town? and yes i know it's probably littered over your filter, but i've forgotten and i don't wanna look | ||
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Concerning the next shot - why not let marv choose? I keep choosing the lynch and he can have the shot. That sounds totally fair to me. honestly that sounds like a terrible idea. | ||
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On July 14 2015 02:46 Clarity_nl wrote: Hey marv is it time for dick move analysis yet? no | ||
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i'd say disgraceful. disrespectful. | ||
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On July 14 2015 05:43 Clarity_nl wrote: Lol trfel. That's almost as bad as scott going "BM is 98% town" like 2 min before lynch. What is going on this game, you can't all be scum :'( no it's much worse | ||
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although not now. | ||
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On July 14 2015 05:47 Clarity_nl wrote: Why do you read vivax as town, marv? uh it's a lean rather than a fullblown read. i dunno how to explain very well, i'll dig some posts up at work tomorrow if you remind me. now's not a good time ;p it's kinda the way he flits about when he's in the thread doing things. like i say i'll try show some posts in his filter tomorrow. | ||
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On July 14 2015 06:04 Holyflare wrote: If trfel flips mafia maybe you guys will believe the rsoul read, yay! thought ha! as if, then thought huh, maybe... | ||
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On July 14 2015 06:14 Clarity_nl wrote: I'm just gonna cross my fingers and hope milo is messing with me i'm blaming everyone else mainly harkon | ||
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On July 14 2015 06:17 Clarity_nl wrote: What did poor harkon do? He took a bullet, man. yeah but i'm sheeping him | ||
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2 roleblockers tho :/ | ||
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On July 14 2015 06:22 rsoultin wrote: the requisite hedge, or a genuine bad feeling? bit of both we gotta do it tho | ||
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On July 14 2015 06:23 Harkon wrote: You had a bad feeling about damdred too, pussy. i know. total pussy haha | ||
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On July 14 2015 06:33 Blazinghand wrote: This kind of name-calling is inappropriate. You were warned (link) previously. I've explicitly told you and the thread to stop this kind of behavior, but it seems that warnings are not enough. Harkon is hereby modkilled and will flip with the night post. Harkon, stop posting. There will be no more warnings for anyone for this kind of behavior. For the rest of the game, anyone who posts anything that would get them in trouble on elsewhere on TL will get modkilled with no warnings. this is a terrible warning. really terrible. as i didn't find it offensive in the slightest, and that should be obvious. | ||
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i'm a bit stoned well that's even fucking worse way to ruin a game by modkilling someone who didn't even insult his target great job BH srsly. | ||
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On July 14 2015 06:54 Clarity_nl wrote: If harkon flips scum then HF 100% scumslipped, if he flips vet then I have no idea wtf HF is on about but it probably makes him town? no, no it doesn't. | ||
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On July 14 2015 06:56 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: Now you guys know why I would only join a BH game under a smurf ha! point. | ||
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the spoilered is getting pretty close to correct application of DMA | ||
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2) Scott31337 (filter) - maybe scum? 3) WaveofShadow (filter) - pooface 4) Clarity_nl (filter) - i think town 5) ruXxar (filter) - i thought town? Trfel made me doubt 6) Vivax (filter) - maybe town? 10) boxerfred (filter) - ? 11) Meapak_Ziphh (filter) DLME Investigator Shot Night 2 12) Trfel (filter) - dick move town? 13) LightningStrike (filter) - town 15) ObiWanShinobi (filter) - maybe town? 16) KelsierSC (filter) - modkilled 18) Breshke (filter) - tonally town 19) Oatsmaster (filter) - long filter, townish? 21) rsoultin (filter) - ? 22) Half The Sky (filter) - townish 23) Harkon (filter) - p likely town 24) Holyflare (filter) - ? 25) XEliteBlueHunter69X (filter) - seemed townish but could easily not be i guess ? like i do this, there are 4 mafia, so i'm calling a bunch of mafia town. | ||
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On July 14 2015 23:44 Half the Sky wrote: Would Clarity qualify as potentially needing to fear read Palmar (since his name was brought up?) I'm still townreading him btw, but this is my first game ever with him. no | ||
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On July 14 2015 23:51 Half the Sky wrote: 100%, and IMO would otherwise agree with Marv on the DMA with him. On Trfel, that was the stuff I know he's capable of.....assuming he's not pulling off another NSM11 performance. I am willing to believe Trfel's RL issues, but still may check the case since I'm a little paranoid right now. no, i was talking about Trfel, not scott | ||
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On July 15 2015 00:05 Half the Sky wrote: Dick move analysis - marv explained it to me D1. yeah. and in the case of Trfel's spoiler - do i really think he'd ham it up THAT much if he were mafia? Essentially i hope he wouldn't go to those lengths, because it's so very cheap. | ||
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On July 15 2015 00:22 Holyflare wrote: Dat marv guy also possible mafia not possible at all and you know it | ||
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On July 15 2015 00:56 Breshke wrote: No actually im just being an asshole it makes sense just maybe not the best wording idk Why would scott be afking this game though as mafia arn't they in a fairly good spot especially sicne im fairly sure KSC is going to flip town.. One game i noticed scott posts less as mafia im not sure if thats still true so it kind of makes sense but id be hyped if i was mafia if you're hyped as mafia, that doesn't make you randomly start to want posting | ||
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On July 15 2015 01:21 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah wave isnt actually town, his activity at this point is beyond town apathy, its not alignment indicative. mm. | ||
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