TL Mafia LXXI: Gaiden
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On June 24 2015 04:08 Blazinghand wrote: I'd love to have you in this game, boxerfred, but it looks like you were recently modkilled for inactivity in another game, and the host of that game is ordering standard ban list action against you. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/427933-tl-mafia-ban-list-20?page=128#2553 I'll give you a quick rundown of the hows and whys of the TL Mafia Ban List. Typically the way these things work is that, Mafia games rely really strongly on people ONLY signing up if they have enough time to play. If 20% of people signed up without time to play for the next however many days, games would be utterly ruined. Heck, this would happen even if 10% of people signed up without time to play. It takes a big commitment to play a Mafia game: a 13 player game can take nearly 3 weeks, and you need to be able to post at least once a day, ideally more, during that time. This only gets worse when players overextend themselves and sign up for multiple games at once, for example, and are unable to actually play. A single person being busy for 48 hours and not being able to play (say, they miss all of Day 2 and make zero posts) can ruin a game for 10 people. So, in order to discourage inactivity, as stated in all the OPs, if you force the host to modkill you for inactivity (usually for failure to vote or post during a 48-hour day), you will be forced to "sit out" a game. What this means is, you are not allowed to sign up for games, but instead sign up to "/sitout" a game. This means you may observe the game, but not play. Once that game is complete, you may "/in" for games again. It's no fun to be forced to /sitout a game, but that's in part the point. If you sign up for games, then don't play and get modkilled, you ruin a like 2-week game that 10+ people are playing, so having to wait a bit before your next game is a fair price to pay, and may remind you to be respectful of other people's time, or better about planning when you can and cannot play. I won't be adding you to the sign-up list. Whoopsie daisies! I completely missed that I should've sent Onegu a PM. /sitout then! | ||
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On June 25 2015 01:35 marvellosity wrote: i expect sexual favours okay <3 /in | ||
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On July 03 2015 06:34 Blazinghand wrote: ok, my trip is turning out to be a shitshow, so We start on July 5th | ||
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On July 06 2015 07:19 Holyflare wrote: "sweet i got investigator!" *checks op* *oh.... " http://i.imgur.com/TUXdCf0.gif | ||
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On July 06 2015 08:28 Clarity_nl wrote: OK I want to move past this as it's not really worth spending a lot of time on. If me and HF both roll scum, and HF enters the game going "Lol I thought I rolled cop but it's just the VT flavor" do you think I, as scum, would call my scum partner "totes town not lynching today"? What do you think of rsoultin? Specifically the way she's replied to me. overly defensive shit plus attentionshift on rsoulting not liking that | ||
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On July 06 2015 17:02 Holyflare wrote: Hopefully when I've woken up someone with some sense will be here. am I supposed to feel insulted since I'm here and you're implying I don't make sense? | ||
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can I join in? I played chess in a team actually and was kinda decent. these days i'm rubbish however I'm still able to play a decent sicilian. | ||
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On July 06 2015 07:20 Clarity_nl wrote: Hype! And already information. Holyflare claiming VT is interesting. Doesn't seem something scum would do or think of this quickly after PMs went out/daypost went up. Not lynching him today. strange entry post, why would you believe a first-post-of-the-day-VT-claim? | ||
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On July 06 2015 20:19 KelsierSC wrote: i'm confused why you are asking about the first post clarity made now when you have already commented on this point which came afterwards that came to my mind when someone said he's needlessly sheeping people, on the last page. i remembered his entry post, reread it and decided to not like it. ##vote clarity_nl | ||
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On July 06 2015 19:46 Oatsmaster wrote: What a needless sheep post clarity. None of those are serious questions lol. here this one | ||
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On July 06 2015 19:43 Clarity_nl wrote: Read the thread please? I came back, commented on trfl and then marv showed up so I said hi. I think self-aware wandered claim is fine. The cop claims were obviously just people being silly, | ||
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On July 06 2015 20:24 marvellosity wrote: I'm not ganging up on him. why not | ||
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I read up to page 20 I skimmed through the rest till 40 I did not like the sheep that was pointed out I remembered the first post (which I did not read too deep into before), read it and was not liking that he instabelieved the VT claim. the overly defensive + attentionshift post was not taken into consideration for my vote. thanks for reminding me, makes me dislike him even more. | ||
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On July 06 2015 20:50 Clarity_nl wrote: My first post was basically the entire discussion for the first 5 pages or whatever, how can you only just now have formed an opinion on it? that's a lie, page 16-21 are not all about your entry post. they are about a bit of "lel that claim", lots of shittalking and other stuff. nothing on you sheeping the VT claim. | ||
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On July 06 2015 20:55 Clarity_nl wrote: So I'm sheeping myself? Nice. Luckily it's a big game and me saying I'm not lynching holyflare (which hasn't changed) isn't really gonna affect day 1. What? On July 06 2015 07:19 Holyflare wrote: "sweet i got investigator!" *checks op* *oh.... " => VT Claim by Holyflare. That's at least how I take it. On July 06 2015 07:20 Clarity_nl wrote: Hype! And already information. Holyflare claiming VT is interesting. Doesn't seem something scum would do or think of this quickly after PMs went out/daypost went up. Not lynching him today. You sheeping his claim. You're not sheeping yourself. Thefuck are you talking about? On July 06 2015 20:54 marvellosity wrote: I and everyone else will assume your vote is NOT on Clarity until you put it on Clarity. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On July 06 2015 21:00 marvellosity wrote: that's not "sheeping" his claim, that makes no sense. that's "believing". okay, I'll refrain from the term then. Excuse my misuse please. | ||
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On July 06 2015 23:05 boxerfred wrote: In Not themed, kelsier was town and that was clear for anyone since day One. Are his other games similar in that regard? The xP stuff has been and is pure bullshit imo Sorry, i meant himalaya not Not themed. Point still stands, anyone able to give a meta read into ksc? | ||
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Is that normal or at least okayish for him? | ||
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Yeah and im no cop. | ||
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I just want to say that before people start sheeping him. | ||
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On July 07 2015 04:57 Clarity_nl wrote: This is absurd. ritoky if you're town this is retarded and when you come back you need to put some effort in and give us some reads. I kinda don't want to lynch you but that's just cause I'm a pussy Since kp won't go down if we lynch scum is it the mechanical play to let him live at least 1 day so that if he's town, scum either kills him or they have to use a RB? evasive bullshit. whats your read on ritoky? town or not town? | ||
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On July 07 2015 05:15 scott31337 wrote: Her, BTW. Usually it's a decent strategy to claim self-aware miller/wanderer in day 1 - if you try it later when you're already checked or being pressured no body will believe it. No body else has claimed miller as of yet (and BM claimed wanderer). I mean don't give her a confirmed town 100%, just look more into her thoughts and agenda - and at the moment they seem okay. HF had a good point though. Why did you "hardclaim" cop while Rsoul was being pressured? Why did you time it then? Why did you say it at all? What do you think of Palmar so far? I guess for now I go with the believe ritoky on his claim for today. Trying out things. I'm still quite new and I know from the Himalaya game that a TMI call from a scum guy got the guy lynched D1. Tried to repeat things. No specific timing intended. Backed off because I felt that noone believed me anyways. Don't have a stance on him yet. | ||
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On July 07 2015 05:22 LightningStrike wrote: HTS is a female for future reference when you talk to her but she had claimed Miller Day 1 before in Titanic as a Miller. She also is thinking critically this game so it's a huge plus for my town read on her. My bad. Okay, I'll let that count. | ||
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On July 07 2015 06:04 Harkon wrote: Also damdred is/was (?) scumreading him and he apparently has some sort of soulread on ritoky. This is not really enough to justify so many people vote ritoky imho. gimme a second to read into the filter. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On July 06 2015 15:28 ritoky wrote: milo, ls, ruxxar....1 of these is mafia. more to come later. On July 07 2015 03:54 ritoky wrote: Damdred is mafia or wrong on me for the first time in 15+ games. Town reads: On July 06 2015 09:55 ritoky wrote: I have a town read on Kelsier for looking up Damdred's previous games, and the follow-up on it. But he is asking dead-end questions a lot so I might have to rescind it soon. Being under pressure, claim thrown out. Only defensive thing: On July 07 2015 04:39 ritoky wrote: Probably not. Maybe someone who is crazy like Alakaslam would pick up that all I cared about were reads and associations and see the cop claim coming, and maybe someone thinks I am slightly town for ignoring people, but otherwise I should be generally null to everyone except marv. Which makes sense in a weird way, lots of people are sheeping marv. However, the bolded part strikes me, because from his posts, I cannot see where "all he cared about" were reads and associations. Next up: the big announcment. + Show Spoiler + On July 06 2015 08:41 ritoky wrote: hi, i am town. i will be back when relevant information is being posted. bye. On July 07 2015 04:08 ritoky wrote: Oats came into the thread and did a bunch of stupid shit. 3 people stupidly townread him for doing stupid shit quite quickly. 1 of them is probably mafia handing out an "easy read". As I said, more to come later on which 1 it is. It is pretty simple to follow if you read the thread. That "I'll explain later" never happens, instead he goes down the martyr road with "well if you don't believe me, kill me." I am not liking this, no way. If he keeps being so controversial and does not contribute in any way, a lynch would be something I'd really like to do. I don't want to mislynch a possible blue. But if he stays alive, let's say, for three, four more days and still is as controversial as he is now, scum has an easy target to pile shit on. The bigger the shit gets, the more townies will grab a hand full and throw it at other townies. So I'd say don't lynch him day 1. Give him a chance to contribute, give him the chance to deliver what he announced. If day 1 concludes with more bullshit, more oneliners and more "I don't give a fuck but here's a name"-reads, we can go for him D2. Concluding, my read on him: null with a scum lean. Not sheeping marv. | ||
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no it's not. note: thus far I only caught up to page 76 which is where I quoted that post from. I hunted blues in my second game (trying to find masons). I did that as town and I went down the full newbie road. Bluehunter is saying nothing all game long. Then he comes up with that huge post, not being very solid, not following up on anything, but, well, going for blue roles. He's a smurf who called himself bluehunter. I don't buy the "he might be a newb" thing at all, no way, no. Instead, my tinfoilhat senses tell me that he throws that out, wanting people to exactly think what HF just said. like, "you wouldn't do that as mafia". Erm, of course you would. That's the same thought that is behind bussing a teammate. Do something that seemingly does not make sense for your alignment, wait for some naive town to point it out (or a teammate to point it out if no town member does it) and boom, there you go. I already didn't like this: On July 06 2015 07:19 Holyflare wrote: "sweet i got investigator!" *checks op* *oh.... " Someone (don't remember who it was) said that this is a very natural thought. Scenario: you read your role pm, see "oh cool, I'm a blue - damn, I'm just VT". And yes, a similar thought came to my mind - but that happened when I read the OP before the game started. I assume that HF did the very same. We find this pattern of seemingly naive and honest posts in Bluehunter's as well as in Holyflare's playstyle in this game. | ||
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I don't buy HF's naive claim and I don't think that "making a public list of blues" is not scum indicating. Tinfoil senses say that both players share the same pattern in terms of such seemingly naive posts, I can see both being scum. | ||
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On July 07 2015 08:55 Trfel wrote: Sorry, it's not something I'm going to explain. And there is much more to my LightningStrike scumread than his latest few posts. Yeah what ##unvote ##vote Trfel | ||
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On July 07 2015 19:02 Half the Sky wrote: I thought it was good when I first saw his post too. But HF is really good at taking things out of context if/when he's scum. Even if he's town the post is flawed because LS' filter showed some reasonable basis for the change. The easiest way to cross check that is to look at LightningStrike's filter against the time stamps provided. It is a little annoying to do because the time stamps are in Korean time but once I did I found three quotes that I objectively found scummy in his filter before Trfel even explained it. (You hit the quote button and you'll find time stamp quoted in KST.) Finished reading. I don't like HF. The scum lean I explained already, plus what HtS says (not sheeping it, but if we lynch HF and he flips scum, HtS is basically confirmed town for me for the quoted post). In addition to those things, he was responsible for like 1 million posts that were just stupid fight posts. I don't like that, it's artificially lengthens the thread, makes his filter hard to read and derails town efforts. I'm fine with lynching HF. Thing is, nothing really happened that would make me not vote clarity_nl, my points against him still stand. At this point, there's not too much on him so I'll let go of him but keep him in mind. ##vote Holyflare HF, I'd like to ask some things. a) Do you promise to stop shitfighting? b) Who are your top scum reads? c) What do you think about Bluehunter? | ||
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On July 07 2015 19:40 marvellosity wrote: he's right in that there's no consistent thread and push to your play. he's also right that people always think you're much scummier when you're town. i don't remember you irritating me very much this game. normally you're extremely irritating. what does that relate to? | ||
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On July 07 2015 19:41 marvellosity wrote: if we're talking about the post on the last page, i'm not sure where in it you showed why it makes him mafia these ones, please read trough them. + Show Spoiler + On July 07 2015 18:00 boxerfred wrote: no it's not. note: thus far I only caught up to page 76 which is where I quoted that post from. I hunted blues in my second game (trying to find masons). I did that as town and I went down the full newbie road. Bluehunter is saying nothing all game long. Then he comes up with that huge post, not being very solid, not following up on anything, but, well, going for blue roles. He's a smurf who called himself bluehunter. I don't buy the "he might be a newb" thing at all, no way, no. Instead, my tinfoilhat senses tell me that he throws that out, wanting people to exactly think what HF just said. like, "you wouldn't do that as mafia". Erm, of course you would. That's the same thought that is behind bussing a teammate. Do something that seemingly does not make sense for your alignment, wait for some naive town to point it out (or a teammate to point it out if no town member does it) and boom, there you go. I already didn't like this: Someone (don't remember who it was) said that this is a very natural thought. Scenario: you read your role pm, see "oh cool, I'm a blue - damn, I'm just VT". And yes, a similar thought came to my mind - but that happened when I read the OP before the game started. I assume that HF did the very same. We find this pattern of seemingly naive and honest posts in Bluehunter's as well as in Holyflare's playstyle in this game. On July 07 2015 19:22 boxerfred wrote: Finished reading. I don't like HF. The scum lean I explained already, plus what HtS says (not sheeping it, but if we lynch HF and he flips scum, HtS is basically confirmed town for me for the quoted post). In addition to those things, he was responsible for like 1 million posts that were just stupid fight posts. I don't like that, it's artificially lengthens the thread, makes his filter hard to read and derails town efforts. I'm fine with lynching HF. Thing is, nothing really happened that would make me not vote clarity_nl, my points against him still stand. At this point, there's not too much on him so I'll let go of him but keep him in mind. ##vote Holyflare HF, I'd like to ask some things. a) Do you promise to stop shitfighting? b) Who are your top scum reads? c) What do you think about Bluehunter? as a tl;dr - I don't buy the naive claim - I don't buy the "bluehunter is not scum because he's hunting blues in the public" - The conjunction of those two things make me extremely suspicious of HF because I think he's an experienced player - his shitfights | ||
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"The conjunction of those two things make me extremely suspicious of HF because I think he's an experienced player" who I see capable of pulling such plays. | ||
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On July 07 2015 20:22 Palmar wrote: Tbh, if clarity is mafia it's because in literally the second post in the game he said holyflare claiming VT in the first post of the game is somehow "interesting". It's not interesting, people do this shit every fucking game and no one should give a fuck. The fact he tried to appear interested in something so completely and obviously worthless (nevermind that HF is the worst "dick around with claims" offender on TL) is actually kinda scummy and the reason I threw my vote on him yesterday. Like I think it's sort of mafia like but I don't know if I can convince people that calling something interesting that isn't interesting is a solid case for someone being mafia. I disagree on "noone should give a fuck". Every claim at every point in the game deserves attention. However I agree, pointing out how interesting it is does indicate that clarity wants to put emphasis on the claim - which he did not do. Although he said that due to him, people were talking "5 pages" about the claim which was simply a lie. I pointed that out alread (roughly page 40something I think) and I will point to that again. That's one of the reasons why clarity still is among my top scum reads! So I'm fine with lynching HF and clarity. I can see that HF is not going to be lynched today although I'm not liking marv yet. He's engaging and discussing, but he's not really making points. However it's day1, he just caught up, so I keep it at a null read and won't lean towards any alignment. I'll re-go for clarity and I'm fine with anyone who joins me on that. ##unvote ##vote clarity_nl | ||
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I'm fine with jumping a Trfel vote train, too. I'm fine with a WaveOfShadow lynch. He's not contributing at all, his filter is lackluster, he's engaging in a discussion about effort but refuses to put any effort in himself. Concluding, top scum reads: clarity_nl (voted on) WaveOfShadow Trfel Holyflare My read on HF is admittedly the weakest because it's a lot of #tinfoilhat stuff. Trfel is on the brink on martyring and made a claim that isn't too great, however I'd prefer to not lynch into un-cc'ed blue. WaveOfShadow has not put in any effort, spits out oneliners and is not contributing at all. | ||
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On July 07 2015 20:35 marvellosity wrote: My point is this. So Clarity voted Wave at some stage. Wave originally said "clarity is town, tryhard as fuck" later when asked to elaborate on the read by HF, he said That's all that Wave says on Clarity. Clarity goes on to unvote Wave because "he talked a little about his townread on me" so he doens't like the lynch? How on earth is that Wave talking about the townread at all? This is the original reason Clarity voted Wave: And then Clarity unvotes Wave because Wave says "narp not gonna elaborate" with the explanation that Wave explains the read ? Really? ... Are you saying clarity is scum and in a team with WoS and they're playing pretty badly? Or are you "only" saying that clarity's unvote does not make any sense, is weak and has no reasoning? What's your conclusion? | ||
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On July 07 2015 20:39 Oatsmaster wrote: Why is hf bussing trfel boxer? Where am I saying that? Assuming you mean this here: ...Instead, my tinfoilhat senses tell me that he throws that out, wanting people to exactly think what HF just said. like, "you wouldn't do that as mafia". Erm, of course you would. That's the same thought that is behind bussing a teammate. Do something that seemingly does not make sense for your alignment, wait for some naive town to point it out (or a teammate to point it out if no town member does it) and boom, there you go. ... I'm not saying I'm bussing, all it is is a comparison. Is that enough or should I elaborate? | ||
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On July 07 2015 20:41 marvellosity wrote: so look at the 4 quotes i just posted in order. Clarity votes in post #2. Wave's only comment on Clarity afterwards is #3 Clarity unvotes in #4, look at the reason. it's nonsensical. Yes! But that being nonsensicel is "only" the observation. There's no conclusion. Like, if you say, "my window is wet", you observe it. The conclusion would be "well, it's raining". So what's your conclusion? Scum? Bad town play? Especially in light of the points I brought up against him earlier. | ||
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On July 07 2015 20:44 Oatsmaster wrote: well they are both in your scumlist and you didnt say that if one was mafia the other was town. Is that the case? Can they both be mafia together? Hm, good question. I think there's nothing like "If a on my list is scum, b on my listis town" yet. I can see the technical possibility in a HF + Trfel team but I don't have any indicators towards that. On July 07 2015 20:37 boxerfred wrote: [...] clarity_nl (voted on) WaveOfShadow Trfel Holyflare My read on HF is admittedly the weakest because it's a lot of #tinfoilhat stuff. Trfel is on the brink on martyring and made a claim that isn't too great, however I'd prefer to not lynch into un-cc'ed blue. WaveOfShadow has not put in any effort, spits out oneliners and is not contributing at all. | ||
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On July 07 2015 20:46 marvellosity wrote: my conclusion was that it makes Clarity mafia, except my evidence was incorrect. Which sucks. I fear that the beautiful train will now derail. | ||
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On July 07 2015 20:53 Oatsmaster wrote: so your list only has 3 real mafia and one town then? also, are clarity and wave mafia together? Read my posts before you ask such questions. However, I'll just answer one more time: - no, my list has 4 real mafia. HF is only the weakest read, that is all. - I have no idea if clarity and wave are mafia together. There's at least nothing that would make me thing "if wave is scum, clarity is town" or vice versa. You can easily get such information from my post. | ||
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I'll add Oats to my scum lean list. | ||
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On July 07 2015 21:02 Oatsmaster wrote: well no, if you think that trfel and HF cannot both be mafia, then your list has 3 mafia and 1 town. Do you think clarity and wave are mafia together? Yes or no? dude "I think there's nothing like "If a on my list is scum, b on my listis town" yet. I can see the technical possibility in a HF + Trfel team but I don't have any indicators towards that." | ||
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well no, if you think that trfel and HF cannot both be mafia, then your list has 3 mafia and 1 town. what a correct and useless statement. | ||
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Also by technical possibility you mean its possible the host gave a mafia role to both hf and trfel right? Yes. So are clarity and wave mafia together? yes/no? Can be both, I don't know it for sure nor do I have an assumption. You better deliver now an explanation for those totally useless and time stealing questions. It's really scummy. | ||
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On July 07 2015 21:05 Oatsmaster wrote: If you are mad i post fluff, then I guess you are mad at pretty much the whole game. Wait, you're actually admitting that your questions towards me are useless? On July 07 2015 21:03 Oatsmaster wrote: Lol nice oppurtunstic scumread . The xP theory is real. just wait and see that she flips mafia. regardless, how am I not reading too well? Can you quote things from your original posts that answer my questions? You asked me questions that were totally useless and derailed the thread. Are you really wondering about why I just went through your filter? Why is my scumread on you opportunistic? | ||
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On July 07 2015 21:10 Oatsmaster wrote: OMGUS mainly. And this nonsensical scumread. Which comes cause I asked him some relevant questions but he bursts and just now mentions things he shouldve mentioned a lot earlier if he really thinks im mafia. Wait wait wait. You say "I'll be mad for you because fluff" and you say the questions are relevant? How are the questions relevant? Explain. | ||
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On July 07 2015 21:13 Oatsmaster wrote: WELL I WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU THINK. WHY DONT YOU HAVE AN OPINION >.> actually its pretty scummy that you dont want to commit one way or another. If you make a scumlist, I am gonna assume that you think they are all on the same team. If so, I would like to know the connecting pieces. Especially for the 2 pairs you chose. Well if you think that hf and trfel are mafia together I would like to know why. same goes for clarity and wave considering they have significant interactions with each other. Let me explain to you why this is utter bullshit. Starting here: WELL I WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU THINK. WHY DONT YOU HAVE AN OPINION >.> I have written out what I think. I have explained every single point and left nothing open. When you asked, I elaborated. When you asked again, I elaborated again. Why do you want to know what I think if I said what I think in detail already? I don't understand that. I said what I think quite some time now. Why do I not have an opinion on the potential scum pair that you mention? Because I cannot possibly tell if both of them are scum or not. When I say "look, those four are my top scum reads" then of course that implies that they can potentially be on the same team. There's only one scum team around. The only thing that is interesting in that context is if the alignment/flip of one would confirm the alignment of another one. That simply is not the case. I explained that to you, too. I cannot answer anything more than that and can imagine a yes as well as a no. "Top scum read" does not mean "confirmed scum", how could I possibly know that. actually its pretty scummy that you dont want to commit one way or another. How is it scummy if I do not commit but instead explain very thoroughly why I don't? How is it scummy to say very clearly "your questions are bad and I don't see the sense in them but I still answer them"? If you make a scumlist, I am gonna assume that you think they are all on the same team. If so, I would like to know the connecting pieces. That is a very strange thing you want. I made a scum list and explained very thoroughly why every single one of the guys is on that list. You want connecting pieces, go search some! As I said, I did not find indicators that would connect two or more of those guys. But so what? For each and every single one of the people on my list, I stated reasons. None of those reasons were defended so far by the way. Tell me, how could I possibly find the connecting pieces? Tell me, why wouldn't you put some effort in and search them instead of derailing the thread, asking useless questions? Especially for the 2 pairs you chose. Well if you think that hf and trfel are mafia together I would like to know why. same goes for clarity and wave considering they have significant interactions with each other. Cool that you'd like to know why. Thing is that I still (I think I repeat myself for the third or fourth time in this post alone) do not have indicators for anyone on that list being connected to someone else on that list. So no, I do not think that they are connected. But I also do not think they are not connected. That's what people call a "possibility". Considering clarity and wave, if you read the last pages, you'd see that I am talking with marv about that. Shame that marv's theory (which was great) is apparently flawed. ___________ Your whole answer to me is a) bad, really bad town or b) scum. If I now take your filter into account, I mostly find useless oneliners, no consistency (besides useless oneliners), no pressure on anyone really, lots of drive-by posting. Welcome to my scum list. I'm totally fine seeing you hanged. | ||
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On July 07 2015 21:25 Oatsmaster wrote: Is this a joke? Why did you post this? The second bit. I explained that already in the thread. Please do the work and go have a look for it. | ||
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I'm not tunneling. I'm still okay with voting in my top scum reads. However, you joined my top scum reads. I'd really like to see you lynched, I stated my reasons. Until you start defending, increase your contribution, stop your bullshit ("Ok mr I like tunnels.") and actually come up with some reasoned and valid posts - I'll vote you. Ignoring you for now, you're really exhausting. You're not putting effort in, you're simply bad. | ||
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On July 07 2015 22:32 Holyflare wrote: that's when you know your entire scum read becomes baseless, when you say you did it in the same post ^^ What I meant was that the idea of "okay investigator - wait no, it's VT" when reading a role pm can happen, yes, but it can also happen (and happened to me) when you read the OP. That's why I don't buy that claim fully. Can be a great scum play. However your answers do somewhat satisfy me. I'm willing to let go of the scum lean. Especially since you agree on the scum stuff on trfels and, to a certain degree, oats. | ||
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On July 07 2015 23:48 Oatsmaster wrote: where are your townreads damdred. Do you have any other thoughts on the things that damdred raised on clarity? | ||
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Can someone else please dive into Oats' filter and share thoughts? | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote: Sorry for playing the game? Why exactly is tunneling geript wrong? you have a townread on him? bullshit more bullshit evasive bullshit I'm out, going home from work, seeya in like 2 hours | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:30 KelsierSC wrote: Here's my list right now Town hf breshke clarity oats geript harkon LS scum trfel ritoky damdred bluehunter milo wave Everyone else I have leans on but this is my head right now. I do absolutely not understand the town lean in breshke, clarity and LS. | ||
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On July 08 2015 01:57 Holyflare wrote: then why didn't you question my list about that lol? I think they're all pretty towny too. pretty much tl;dr :/ can you bring it up? Also this is the first list post I actually care for because I'm not too fond of Kelsier this game. | ||
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ritoky's claim is weak af, I'd prefer to lynch between Oats and Clarity, who are my top scum reads. I'm fine with lynching ritoky if the majority goes for him though. WoS is also fine. | ||
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On July 08 2015 02:04 geript wrote: Very hard to read the OP. Much tough. Very braindead. Oh yeah - in a weird way, that influences HF's claim. Can easily be the "lel im VT" for real, can also be "I wanna hide being a blue". But there's no need to hide that, just not saying anything would've been way better. That does indicate to me that his VT claim is real. Moving him from scum lean to town lean. | ||
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On July 08 2015 02:09 Holyflare wrote: maybe you should read this game where she was mafia and behaved in much the same way http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486819-i-still-cant-believe-its-not-themed-mafia?user=Half the Sky yep, sheeping this. exactly the thoughts I said before. | ||
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On July 08 2015 02:40 scott31337 wrote: Catching up - at page 98 - Got a bit more to go - I really don't think Breshke is mafia either for trying to go after this. He made a decent point and Oats somewhat explained it himself as well. My reads was a copy and paste from my spreadsheet that I'm keeping notes in. I'm updating it along the way. So if you are saying you are willing to vote for HF and Clarity - that means the posts at the beginning were a stunt and that they are both mafia? It honestly seems a little far fetched for me. If HF is mafia it's a great pocket post, and I could see him doing it, but I'm siding that he's town right now - including his observations, and how he went after rsoul. You're not up to date, I already gave HF a town lean by now. | ||
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On July 08 2015 02:41 Half the Sky wrote: Also for BF and WoS, the meta comparison to my last game is flawed. 1 I play/approach large games differently than I do minis as either alignment so comparing this game to Not Themed is really weak 2 I have pushed two players (HF can believe whatever he wants to believe on this point, I've again demonstrably shown it) this game so far which happen to be two (now one apparently) of the same players that HF is pushing 3 Large games mean I take more time looking at more people, since it's pretty easy for scummers to skate by. I can see how people can see that as scummy but when necessary I will consolidate on people (and will do now, seeing as people are voting ritoky) that I am finding scummy. That said, who are you top scum reads and why? | ||
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On July 08 2015 03:54 scott31337 wrote: So about Milo - He replies with And his reasons are Some quotes which I really do not see LS as alignment indictive - which is one of the reasons I think milo is scummy. The most townie thing OWS has done all game. My updated spreadsheet - 1) Marvellosity townie been picking it up the last 36 hours with good marv thoughts 2) Scott31337 town 3) WaveofShadow Voted HF weirdly (actually never did in thread) / null 4) Clarity_nl mixed it with HF / slight town - defends Damdreds case ok - wants to lynch Vivax/BM/Milo 5) ruXxar slight town/proviing insight of game - suspicious of rsoul, quite diff. then last game scums vivax/oats 6) Vivax Meh/null of scum defends trfel calls Rsoul town 7) Bill Murray wanderer claim/hasn't done shit otherwise, no CC 8) ritoky reads boxer as town as well, claimed one shot cop, scum OBS 9) geript slight town but could be doing this as either alignment - keep an eye out 10) boxerfred scumlean posts fakeclaim cop to distract from rsoul. Scummers reading him town/votes HF with no solid reasoning. Seems to jump on any bandwagon lynch (oats, now clarity) Now HTS back to Oats 11) Meapak_Ziphh No posts still as of yet. 12) Trfel Crap start - really different from his last game - added apologies - don’t think he's mafia though. Unsure what to do with him. 13) LightningStrike slight town Damdred brings up good conclusions on his meta / looking up cases had an okay defense 14) Palmar Called boxerfred town which I don’t like/believe in but providing analysis - slight town 15) ObiWanShinobi Bad vote on HF / scumlean - wants to lynch me for no reasons 16) KelsierSC Trying to think the game / townlean 17) milo109 scumlean ,towns HF / Oats / Wave - voted LS for bad filter reading 18) Breshke A post or two I like asking LS about me - could be anything - weak mafia read on me - nullish town 19) Oatsmaster Says Clarity /WoS mafia now wants to vote HTS although - scumlean 20) Damdred Slight town going after LS believes in his case on Clarity but I think Clarity's town 21) rsoultin not a great defense when pressured, paranoid of her - scumlean 22) Half The Sky miller claim / decent listpost - flipped read on HF after being questioned which was weird - slight townlean 23) Harkon Smurf - JAT? Suspicious of ritoky's claim, but. Slight town 24) Holyflare Mindmelt opening - Doesn't like certain Rsoul's play - town lean (day 3/4 alive watch out) 25) XEliteBlueHunter69X Null- Vivax/Geript possible scum - Palmar town I'm down most for a Milo lynch. I'm caught up in the thread. @Boxerfred can you give an updated scum list? You just seem to be bouncing and voting and hoping to get something to stick - you went from HF (which you townread now?) to Oats, to HTS and then back to Oats. Are they all scummy? @Breshke are you still scumreading me? Can you give me the reasoning of such? This is a huge pile of words that does not say much. @Boxerfred can you give an updated scum list? You just seem to be bouncing and voting and hoping to get something to stick - you went from HF (which you townread now?) to Oats, to HTS and then back to Oats. Are they all scummy? No changes apart from HF. My scum reads are clarity, oats, wave, trfel, ritoky. My slight lean is HtS. 10) boxerfred scumlean posts fakeclaim cop to distract from rsoul. Scummers reading him town/votes HF with no solid reasoning. Seems to jump on any bandwagon lynch (oats, now clarity) Now HTS back to Oats I explained why I fakeclaimed post and why I abstained from it. In a majority scenario, of course I jump trains. Though I'm not jumping on any bandwagon. What I did was thoroughly explaining my scum reads, then going after Oats. Which I still do. I don't like the list you throw out. Some of the guys you read town are having a town lean on me (e.g. Damdred) although you say they are scum. Why are you reading him town although he's leaning me town? Also, you basically have an opinion on everyone but refrain from putting some real pressure on people? Scott, I'm not buying this as an effort. | ||
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On July 07 2015 05:26 scott31337 wrote: I'm thinking I like a milo lynch - Then Ruxxar has this post - Oats and Milo call out Ruxxar's post, but Oats does not call out Milo's post for townreading him for his "name mafia" posts. Very interesting. I'm townreading Ruxxar but not Oats and Milo. We still have two people who haven't even posted (Zipph and Elite69) for all we know they could be two out of the five mafia right there. The rest of his filter basically has "Damd mafia" "Keis mafia" "Oats town". this is all I could find on you "pressuring" milo. sorry, that's not pressure. | ||
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oh. should read more. well my lynch list is not affected I guess | ||
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his lists are bullshit. let's lynch oats. | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:13 geript wrote: Nah. Oats might actually be town. you make me sad | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Scratch that last Palmar idea - he looks fine for now. Can't come up with a reason to lynch him and I'd rather not derail the wagon onto someone with a couple of decent posts. I've been doing this for a while. Thoughts? None that I wouldn't have said before. | ||
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also I don't like Kelsier. Leaning scum (tone thing, also he contributed way more when in Himalayas). would insta-lynch clarity | ||
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On July 08 2015 19:37 marvellosity wrote: i think kelsier is like one of my top townreads why? I mean I didn't filter dive yet but I feel like he's not doing too much | ||
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On July 08 2015 19:45 marvellosity wrote: none of his posting feels forced to me, he's around/does things without being prompted, his tone is identical to his tone in towngames. hmkay. currently at work, so I'll take a solid look later. I suck at reading into you marv. | ||
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On July 08 2015 19:46 marvellosity wrote: like do you really think you've been doing more? because you haven't I have. | ||
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On July 08 2015 19:59 Vivax wrote: Why don't you notice he's also townreading Oats here? basically reading failure. | ||
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On July 08 2015 19:52 Vivax wrote: This is serious Fred. Why don't you take into account when somebody pushes another scumread of yours unprompted and instead you portrait Oats' play as if it was 100 % genuine poop without further differentiation. Because that's what I do when I get frustrated over afk lynches that flip town when there's way better people to lynch. Noballs town. | ||
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On July 07 2015 00:24 KelsierSC wrote: Here are my initial reads Clarity - The initial posts weren't great but perhaps he was just excited to play, I really liked his scum read on WoS, he had pressure on him but he scumread the one guy sort of townreading him out of nowhere that felt really good. since then his posting has been solid, comments about trefl and bf seem alright. Breshke - I have my own sort of meta read on breshke, then I think his point about LS , damdreds read and his responses to hf are all good, hf - he's come right out the gate with pressure on trefl and gotten into a few scraps already. I also like the mindmeld that he and breshke had when they called rsoul out , the "voting early doesnt mean shit" posts geript - early tone read felt fiesty, felt town. oats - I liked the xp read on rsoul initially, been up in people's face wave - I think calling clarity town at the time he did was strange and it was like he was purposefully trying to go against thread sentiment. Clarity has retracted the scum read but I'm not a fan ritoky - he seems less jokey and less engaged than he was at the start of himalayas. I was asking marv about the 3 name post and although he has not seen it as scum, it is different from his town and felt out of place. trefl - I like hf's case I like the comments clarity made. sheep case completely weird love triangle ok so here is this fucked up triangle rsoul,damdred and LS now rsoul and damdred can typically read eachother quickly and in this game they quickly read eachother as town. and rsoul to me that looks like someone talking to a town read. anyway damdred has LS as mafia early on. develops this around laziness and the flip-flop on scott. now I remember initially I liked this read, it felt good but wine induced me felt unsure of it later on especially when LS responded about how you catch scott later on, so if rsoul and damdred are both town and they read eachother correctly maybe rsoul is just wrong on LS and damdred is right. damdred certainly sounded the most confident. but if LS is town, and i'm really undecided on this. then why is damdred wrong but rsoul right, especially at the time those reads were given rsoul had no business calling LS town. I think one of those 3 is mafia because it just doesn't click right now. Independently of this I haven't really liked rsoul but I have nothing new to add to points raised by hf/marv/oats This is the only post from Kelsier (the only!) which is long. It is among the 3 or 4 posts that have more than one line. 80% of Kelsier's posts are pointless questions. He spits the question out, then does make nothing out of the answer, seldomly follows up. Here are Kelsier's top awesome posts: + Show Spoiler + On July 08 2015 11:37 KelsierSC wrote: whatr On July 08 2015 11:02 KelsierSC wrote: awai On July 08 2015 10:38 KelsierSC wrote: nreshke spell it for me On July 08 2015 08:45 KelsierSC wrote: apparently people didnt see what I saw and i'm just stupid Riperinp On July 08 2015 09:08 KelsierSC wrote: mae did you died On July 07 2015 01:49 KelsierSC wrote: this marv hf mindmeld is unreal so much bullshit | ||
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On July 08 2015 20:29 Vivax wrote: Nope. So the frustration argument doesn't hold water. Thefuck? Frustration comes from "we lynch into afk" and I'm frustrated that town is afk. You're constructing some weird shit now. | ||
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- clarity - trfel - WoS - oats - Kelsier in no particular order. | ||
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I'm fine with whatever opinion you have on me, scum . On July 08 2015 21:00 Oatsmaster wrote: So not doing much become top 20% scumread. Ok then boxer. It's a tone thing, yes. He asks quite a lot of questions, does not give a fuck about the answers, he does not follow up, does not pressure anyone too much. I mean I really like his list because that's somewhat explained at least. But if you compare his filter here with his filter in Himalaya where he was town you'll clearly and fast find lots and lots of differences. | ||
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On July 08 2015 21:06 marvellosity wrote: Better if you explain what those differences are, rather than just stating they exist + Show Spoiler + On June 17 2015 21:01 KelsierSC wrote: look... what? I think you edited a word out. So I asked you to give a read on shockeyy..you said he looked okay without reading him properly? that seems very strange. Also this makes no sense to me. you don't like his lost post or his reasons but you felt his reason for scum reading you is genuine? His reasoning is that he is playing like he did last game, but now you are saying that isn't true... On June 17 2015 21:32 KelsierSC wrote: So I'm going to give where I'm at in the game so far. Town Damdred - I liked his posting and the tone he used for his explanation of LS felt good. I think his response to shockey was pretty towny aswell Nydus - I've liked his posting and his activity. we haven't played together but he feels like town GB - he's kind of been doing his own shit but I think he's been around for most of the important points and he's been explaining some of his reasoning e.g why he thought i might be mafia, he went and looked at his own read of onegu and went back on it which felt town. Ritoky - Made me laugh a few times, been jokey but has been giving input aswell. His point on GB and Damdred was kind of stupid but it felt like he was trying to figure some stuff out. hf - CONFIRMED TOWN. no in all seriousness when he just voted BM I just thought it would be interesting to see what happened so I went along with it. After reading the thread I liked his posting with regards to bugs and rsoul, I also think the reason for voting BM is actually good. Scum LS - tried to spam early literally responding to every joke/picture and then asking questions which in my opinion didn't lead anywhere. It felt like he was trying to mimic town...rather than actually helping town. giving defenses of people and posting old games. I didn't feel this was helping town at all. I think his early "derp" was quite telling, it showed he just wanted to post rather than think about his posting. His slip just now with regards to shockey is telling. He said his content was "okay" despite the fact the content was terrible and shockey's scum read was LS himself. The reasoning for it was poor, but LS said he felt the reason was genuine...but he felt the reason was poor?? this makes no sense. I actually think that LS just straight didn't read shockey and called him town because..he knew he was town? or shockey is a partner? Shockey - terrible early list post with shit reasons, didn't read damdred properly and when he got pinged he tried to go at damdred..it felt like an aggressive reaction when you just fucked up. a lot his posting just felt like backtracking. Bugs - early posts were awful, I highlighted this. He's just a massive twat so his fighting doesn't change my opinion of his alignment, when he posts something else then I can look again but for now he is scum. BM - Hf reason is good Outside of that there are a few people that I don't know about yet and i'm reading through again. Feel free to ask questions. On June 18 2015 02:01 KelsierSC wrote: lol no Everything i wrote about you still stands, you keep trying to call everyone town, when I caught you for not reading shockeyy you come up with a "hmm maybe he doesn't look as good" backtrack. now you get pressed for a scum read and then you come up with this maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him where you basically hedge your bets on him like you know he is actually town or something. You say it is a lowish chance...why? also if it is a lowish chance why would you "go all in" on him as you call it. You are trying to be everyones buddy and call everyone town and the one time i push you to actually give a scum read you come out with waffly shit that your scum read is likely to be town anyway. On June 18 2015 02:13 KelsierSC wrote: also LS what do you mean by shockey has a low chance of slipping scum? that makes no fucking sense when people, myself included have brought up scummy aspects about his play. and other people in town like nydus also agree. you think new players don't role scum or something? On June 18 2015 02:48 KelsierSC wrote: but you didn't feel strongly about it at all as he had a "low chance" who are the others it was me and NHM, I had already posted a bunch of stuff about shockeyy when you decided he looked okayish and probably wouldn't flip scum. rsoultin was "unsure" and you are asking her to sheep you so you just wanted nydus to post his reason which was pretty much what I had said already? so your "consideration of opinions" is just if nydus said it then it must be true? On June 18 2015 02:57 KelsierSC wrote: Well I had already said that before you came across saying he was ok. Nydus actually didn't mind the list post at all and that isn't the reason he is voting shockey I kind of liked that he gave a lot of reads at first but the way he's talking about his wife's birthday, etc. It just feels kind of fake to me and it feels like he's trying to make an excuse as to why he's posting so scummy (to people who thought his post was scummy). Gives me a very weird vibe. On June 18 2015 03:40 KelsierSC wrote: is this really all you have to say to my questions? You said shockey was "okish" and had a "low chance to flip scum". now you have apparently seen things differently. I already gave my reasons when you had called him ok. You got the wrong reasons for why nydus called him scummy, it wasn't to do with the list post at all. Rsoultin was unsure and you then told her to sheep you, which was the stupidest thing I have ever seen. So how did this change of opinion come about? you haven't been reading the thread properly as shown by your questioning. you have just vomitted into the thread tried to call everyone town, post links to bullshit games no one cares about. now you are stuck in a trap. 100% mafia. On June 18 2015 06:30 KelsierSC wrote: WBG I read some of what you posted and I see you went to a lot of trouble so. I've questioned and pushed LS very hard and in my opinion I highlighted aspects of his play that were scummy. his calling everyone town, not reading the thread, his whole debacle around shockey. then you add in how he flipped the read on shockey to call him mafia and the inconsistent parts around that. I feel LS is mafia, when he claimed blue I felt I had him in the noose, he was trying to dodge the pressure and avoid being lynched. I think if he is town he can work his way out of that spot. I also think my push on shockey was pretty strong. You have basically said i'm doing fuck all and not reading..I disagree with this completely and I don't think you truly believe it either. With regards to the anger thing. Assassination mafia I was cop, it was a tightly controlled game. I was on good behaviour. This game it's less tight and i'm kind of pissed off RL. If you want to ask me some questions then I will answer in a civil manner for the benefit of the thread. On June 18 2015 18:22 KelsierSC wrote: well getting pissed off at LS is a totally understandable reaction, I read the stuff he posted after I left and although I don't want to spend another day pointing out all the anti-town, inconsistent stuff. suffice to say his hf is "top town now lets vote bf" is totally inconsistent with his "hf is scum" shit from earlier. He has a top scum read in shockeyy, there are 24 hours left but he wants to completely abandon this because he is scared of being lynched? If i'm a blue role and I have a top scum read, WHO IS PUSHING ON ME, then I don't just surrender what I think and try and avoid the hammer. Again he just randomly calls more people town, including the replace who mostly posted about not reading the thread then disappeared. from your vibe though you seem to think he is town doing the most anti-town shit of all time? A simpler explanation is he is mafia. Anyway. with the other stuff you typed, I think your post about MiG was pretty good, I felt the same way when he posted it but at the time it didn't feel that bad. I think the post from Fide about it was probably correct. Also your town list looks ok apart from bugs, I need to talk to him. He gave his attack on me and I have a few questions for him when he gets back that will be interesting. I think the longer bf stays away the happier I am to lynch him On June 17 2015 08:37 KelsierSC wrote: I'd propose this point. People are saying that LS has "posted a lot" and been active. But if you actually look at what he has done he has interjected into some jokes and then asked a bunch of questions which don't lead anywhere. Has he committed himself to a read so far? he has just defended people. LS recently got caught as scum I recall, easily the feedback could be, "you are easy to read by being lazy" so now all he does is shit post in the thread and get a town read. Like I feel very uncomfortable with everyone calling LS town and I think that he could easily be scum. On June 17 2015 09:38 KelsierSC wrote: ok here's my problem with this. If you are town you can't just make up reads , despite what GB says. if that is all damdred has then he has posted it. I actually think his recent posts and his explanation about LS was pretty good. I'm looking at your list post now you haven't actually given a great deal on anyone. you have given most people as null and some people as town. which is what damdred has done. so why are you going so crazy on him? On June 17 2015 19:55 KelsierSC wrote: I think this should be highlighted more. This is a really good catch imo. bugs whole thing is about logic and how he dislikes tone reads and shit so why is he calling hf town here? I don't know but this seems like a slip to me. The "shitfight" as it was so lovingly described, between bugs and rsol. It seemed like a clash of egos but from my character read of both players they wouldn't back down from a fight as either alignment. It didn't feel alignment indicative. rsol can you explain to me why i'm scum? On June 17 2015 20:20 KelsierSC wrote: LS one of the issues I had is that you asked a few questions but there was no follow up to it. This one damdred gave thoughts, you press him for more. Then when you give your list damdred isn't on it..but then you say he's ok afterwards. I'd like you to walk me through your process here. Then with this one, Why did you ask ritoky about this? again I would like your thought process. I also want to know what you think about shockeyy. As you can see, there are huge differences. 1. Not half as many oneliners as in this game. 2. He's following up from his questions. 3. He's in general writing more and in a way different, more reasonable tone. I'd like you to compare http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/487093-mafia-in-the-himalayas?user=KelsierSC with http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?user=KelsierSC just skim through it. You'll instantly see the difference. | ||
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On July 08 2015 21:22 marvellosity wrote: yuh huh, thank you for actually doing that Can you tie similarities into his mafiagames? Since I'm at work, let's make a deal: you name the scum games, I go through them and try my best. What will you be doing in the meantime? | ||
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On July 08 2015 21:35 marvellosity wrote: very, very little http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/479158-mafia-mini-mafia-a-miniature-game-of-mafia?user=KelsierSC http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?user=KelsierSC I skimmed through those filters (assuming that those are the only games where Kelsier was scum. How can I check that?). Even as scum, Kelsier put in more effort in these games than he did here. I'd say that while this game's posting style is indeed very contrary to the style of Himalaya, where he was town, this game's posting style also is very contrary to the style in the games that you brought up, marv. Are there any other games from KSC where he rolled scum that I could check? I'm carefully removing KSC from my scum list, still keeping a slight scum lean though. However if he's really town, I'm sure he'll very soon step up and deliver, just like he did in Himalaya. I'll look into Holyflare's EOD next, since marv brought that up. Also I repeat that I'm completely unable to read marv. I have no clue about his alignment. So my agenda is the following: 1. look into Holyflare's EOD. Two reasons: a) I had a scum lean on him, then refrained from that. I hope to solidify my town lean. b) marv does not like HF's EOD. Maybe going deep into that will give me some clues about marv. 2. go through my top scum reads and try to find more that speaks against them. Emphasis lies on: a) WoS, because I feel like I lost grip on him/her and want to catch up, also I think (might be wrong) that he has been as "half scum" on Kelsier's scum list + Show Spoiler + wave - I think calling clarity town at the time he did was strange and it was like he was purposefully trying to go against thread sentiment. Clarity has retracted the scum read but I'm not a fan b) Oatsmaster, because I agree that around EOD, I did not read into his posts with any reasoning behind it but only with a "that guy is scum and he's writing bullshit" mindset which did not help to keep an objective stance. | ||
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On July 08 2015 23:43 Clarity_nl wrote: boxerfred I disagree with your Kelsier and HF reads quite a bit. Especially Kelsier, without meta, looks extremely townie to me. Like the towniest town that ever towned Hm marv said the same but I don't see it. Please point it out to me why exactly he is "the towniest town that ever towned". If that's so obvious it should be easy to do so, right? Another question: you did realize that I currently give HF a town lean and only go back to EOD because I want to solidify that read and hope to maybe find something that gives me a clue about marv? I mean marv should look townie to me at this point but I have a hard time believing it all. Can't give reasons for that sadly, more a feeling I guess. | ||
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On July 08 2015 23:43 Clarity_nl wrote: boxerfred I disagree with your Kelsier and HF reads quite a bit. Especially Kelsier, without meta, looks extremely townie to me. Like the towniest town that ever towned Another thing is that you say "without meta" well without meta my points on kelsier are rather invalid. So you might consider to check his town meta in Himalaya with his meta in here and drop an opinion on that. | ||
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On July 08 2015 23:48 marvellosity wrote: i'm probably the most obvious townie that's ever been seen, so you should probably work on your reading ability I'm just having trust issues. You know, I got mislynched once. Or twice. | ||
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On July 08 2015 23:51 marvellosity wrote: that doesn't make sense. especially as i've not been hostile towards you at all. Yeah that's right, same thought came to my mind. Okay I trust you. I think scum marv would've had it way easier just attacking me (since we played some games already together, you probably know how fast I can get myself into deep shit when I'm emotional) instead of arguing reasonably with me. Also I like how you always bring up ritoky, very consistent. | ||
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Kelsier has just been extremely involved. His progression through the thread makes total sense and he genuinely looks like he's trying to figure out the game and put effort in. I don't really see what at all could possibly make him scummy. Like if you held a gun to my head and forced me to make a case on him I guess I could but. tbh this is the point where I come to a different conclusion after reading his filter. lots of his filter are questions that he does not follow up on. also some lols here and there, a "fuck you" and some "what"s. i don't like that since it's really completely the opposite of what he did as town in Himalaya. Tone wise and effort wise, too. I'd really want you to read through the himalaya filter but on the other hand, you're of my scum reads so I don't know if that makes sense. | ||
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On July 08 2015 23:58 marvellosity wrote: i just find it very weird how you're unable to townread me. like it's the scummiest thing you've done by far. but i didn't mind your other posts. *shrug* It's pretty much a "yeah he's involved and doing stuff and being consistent but it's marv, he's pretty good so eh". | ||
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On July 09 2015 00:12 Clarity_nl wrote: Everyone looks town to me. What, really? 0 scum reads? | ||
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On July 09 2015 00:41 Clarity_nl wrote: Looking back at EBH there's actually some points I like in his opener. It seems hard for scum to go "I think vivax is bussing geript and that's why he's tunneling so hard and geript is just ignoring him", this seems like a pretty townie thought. can we get any scumreads from you? | ||
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On July 09 2015 06:11 Clarity_nl wrote: Well MZ shot up to the top of my very short list. I haven't done as much as I wanted to today, so no you can't get any scumreads from me. blablabla scummy start doing something, you're not moving from my scum reads anytime soon. | ||
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On July 09 2015 06:55 Clarity_nl wrote: I'm shaking in my booties You've been tunneled on me all game yet you just keep interacting with me rather than trying to convince anyone of your read. there's a difference between a scum read and a tunnel. I am talking reasonable to you, and all I just did was saying in an unpolite way that I think "I wanted to do so much" is just a bad excuse. | ||
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On July 09 2015 17:59 Oatsmaster wrote: Why does everyone say "discuss" but never actually ask any specific questions? because I'm at work, as I said. What about you? Do you have specific questions? | ||
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so what came to my mind was the following: facts: 1kp delivered. 1 banish delivered. Also damdred visited ritoky. geript tracked him. a) geript is legit tracker and confirmed town. b) geript and damdred are scum together and orchestrated that (which is unlikely but possible) Then there's this damdred's filter: On July 07 2015 23:46 Damdred wrote: Good morning guys, i've caught up to the thread and would like to push you all to kill clarity today. I'm not going to bother posting tons of quotes so you should fact check yourself after you get done reading. The first thing of note to look at when it comes to clarity is his weird way of reading HF at the start of the game. Something that is really Non alignment indicative gets him to totally town read HF and say that in no way would he lynch HF today and he would totally fight against his lynch today. To me this is extremely odd, openings are usually not really that important and when informed that HF is the best (arguably) scum player on this site, the stance never changed and no fear is shown at all towards HF. The next thing that really bugs me about Clarity is lack of follow up and ignoring of questions. I think that is extremely scummy behavior, if you look in his filter you will see that multiple times I asked him questions about the town read he gave HF, any more reads and his reasoning behind voteing wave and open ended questions. He ignores them until I continue to push them down his throat. He has no real follow up which I think is damning. The weird vote and unvote has been talked about a bit by Marv as being really strange. Wave really really hasn't done jack all this game so not sure why he would unvote as it feels sorta like hes just going with thread sentiment to an extent and going where its safe. HF pushes wave goes to wave, thread goes against ritoky jumps to ritoky. Now is trying to get marv to tell him where to go. And has no real reads at this point. TLDR Has no fear of people he says are town, ie HF after one post Lacks follow through on some posts/questions Lacks scum reads Follows thread sentiment and jumps to another when its available instead of pushing what he thinks. This guy is scum vot ehim. Pushing clarity. There's always one or even more scum reads on clarity during D1. So why not jail this guy? Why jail ritoky instead? For the jail itself: I (as a newer player) can actually see a jailor jailing ritoky. A defensive jail if he believed the cop claim - and a offensive jail if he would not believe it. As it is, we have a person being roleblocked (marv), a person being visited (ritoky) and only one KP carried out. Doesn't that actually mean that it is highly likely that the KP was delivered by either marv or ritoky? Who else was blocked during the night, if any? I think milo claims to have been blocked (if I remember correctly, unsure of that and not really having the time to investigate on this). So that brings us to 3 people that might have delivered a KP and were blocked. Marv, ritoky, milo. Okay. At this point, I remembered that Harkon claimed. This: On July 09 2015 19:29 Harkon wrote: Ok, so considering that scum have no vig and town vigs are not allowed to shoot night1 there are EXACTLY 2 KP night 1. I am telling you the following: - Marv was not shot. - Marv did not deliver KP. - Ritoky was not shot. - Ritoky did not deliver KP. - the nightkills were EXACTLY Palmar and Harkon Because I am the goddamn This fucking screws my theory because it simply makes sense. I don't see Harkon claiming vet as scum. So that removes Marv and Ritoky from my list of people that could have delivered the KP. Leaving milo. ##vote milo | ||
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On July 10 2015 04:56 Harkon wrote: If a towny had blocked milo he would claim unless he is an idiot. And your logic doesn't make sense anyways. No KP was blocked. Mafia had 2 KP and both are accounted for. I have no idea what this big post is even about regarding milo. Didn't he claim to have been blocked? If not, I'm just stupid. Who was blocked then Oo. | ||
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On July 10 2015 04:59 Holyflare wrote: Bf might be mafia for that post. Giant wall of text explaining stuff that gets cancelled out by his last paragraph? Meh Or, I might be town who's simply giving his train of thoughts to contribute and let others try to hop on ideas that I might be bringing up. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:00 boxerfred wrote: Or, I might be town who's simply giving his train of thoughts to contribute and let others try to hop on ideas that I might be bringing up. Also, I still have a point HF... | ||
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On July 10 2015 04:59 Harkon wrote: Fair enough. But if milo is scum damdred is also probably scum and since damdred is probably the roleblocker we should lynch him first. Wait, let me firstly find out if he claimed to have been blocked or not. | ||
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On July 10 2015 04:59 Harkon wrote: Fair enough. But if milo is scum damdred is also probably scum and since damdred is probably the roleblocker we should lynch him first. Okay, So, milo claims to be blocked. My point stands. Fine with damdred as long as we don't forget/kill milo at night. ##unvote ##vote Damdred It's also fun how HF instareads me scum though I'm really trying to help. Also it's noteworthy that while the whole thread says "lynch damdred" I say "lynch milo" instead. would've been way easier for me to stick with damdred. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:02 Holyflare wrote: Yes you might also be town? I just don't like that post. Why don't you like a post where I'm going after the person that you vote? Should I follow thread sentiment instead? | ||
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What a decent and reasonable answer to my thoughts | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:07 Holyflare wrote: Like I said. I don't like it because it's a wall of text where you waste time explaining stuff just to cancel it out in one paragraph. Mafia like to do that to appear like they are contrubuting. Especially when you are rehashing things that are obvious and already said. You go girl, fine with you scumreading me. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: No lol, boxerfred seems to be implying that people should think he's town because he's saying something controversial and I'm pointing out it doesn't work like that and used my opposition to the BM lynch as an example: i.e. people shouldn't be townreading me simply for opposing the BM lynch. At no point I asked HF to read me town. I was just giving reasons to not scum read me for that post. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: You didn't outright ask him to but it sure was implied. Your argument was this "Hey look I just said this stuff that put me on the spot" with the unspoken implication that "everyone knows mafia don't like being put on the spot." Nah. My post was more of an ironic "well you read it that way, you can also read it that way. your read is stupid." At least that's how it was meant. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:30 milo109 wrote: Wait wait wait. If he is fake claiming a hit and Damdred is JK I'm like confirmed town. Get outta here. I'm not scum if Damdred flips scum and scum if Damdred flips town. If Harkon is fakeclaiming I'm ready to lose this game simply because of the #sickPlays. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:34 milo109 wrote: If he is fake claiming, I 100% believe you are mafia with him. Why not give reasons to town why Damdred is indeed JK and I'm indeed scum then? I guess this is WIFOM and OMGUS? | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:45 Holyflare wrote: actually I can and do but carry on responding to me technically you can only know that if you're scum. + Show Spoiler + i'm actually not scumreading you for that. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:46 Holyflare wrote: no there are several other ways is that a serious answer? Like, even a cop check can be wrong due to framing, godfather, whatever. technically you never now it 100% sure. if you do know it 100% sure, tell me why. I'll sheep that. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:47 Holyflare wrote: I can be 100% sure you will explain that after the game, right? assuming you're town ofc. | ||
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oh thanks for letting me know | ||
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erm that's actually as close a TMI as it gets, yep | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:54 milo109 wrote: If you hadn't noticed, I've had to type quite fast to answer all of this. There is the possibility of the framer, which is what I meant. are you in a hurry? take your time to read and think. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:59 Harkon wrote: HF is using ad hom against confirmed townies. check HF is throwing shit at townleader for no reason. check The mafiaHF checklist grows and grows. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:05 Holyflare wrote: You don't even think for a second about anything i've done this game and instead throw in little shitty quips that clearly just derail anything i'm doing and call me mafia for the sake of it, it's frustrating as fuck okay, so you're VT, and you did contribute greatly. If you want me to believe that, please show me where you contributed greatly. I remember your VT claim and I initially didn't believe, then I believed, now I have doubts again: combination of Hark's arguments, you reading me scum (since I'm town) and the fact that several people believe you're a great scum player, making you capable of faking that claim. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:08 boxerfred wrote: ah you sniped me. gonna read through that, given it's supposed to be a list of your contributions? if that question is a 'yes', I can just say that I don't think this is solid, usable stuff on rsoultin. reads more like "you know guys, I think that's strange." without any follow up. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:14 boxerfred wrote: Gets unreal by now. So many blues. If that claim is true, it makes it even more likely that Damdred and Milo are scum. Whichever way it turns out to be, I feel like we have indeed two scum members among the blue claims. Actually it doesn't even matter if that claim is true. The claim confirms (to me) that there are two scum members among the blue claims and removes the like ~2% chance that there's 0 scum among all the blue claims. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:18 Damdred wrote: Actions went like this I was in my mason qt with Geript and he came up with the plan to fake a track on me to rot so that we could gather information and around 24 hours before,lynch we reveal,and get the vote off me. What are you mad at me if I throw in you might've had the same idea in scum qt? | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:21 LightningStrike wrote: BTW keep your votes on Damdred guys he's pretty much 100% scum which also leads to Milo scum too. Did you read the mason claim yo? | ||
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On July 10 2015 07:01 Damdred wrote: It's sad that Geript lost his reasoning. It's ok when I flip just look into Kel. Rs, milo Could it be a "geript + damdred are scum, pretend masons, bus hardcore" play now? | ||
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On July 10 2015 07:09 Clarity_nl wrote: This is a plan where scum sacrifice damdred the roleblocker, even though he was under less scrutiny than milo/MZ, so no. or, damdred the framer. if that's the case, it's likely that milo was indeed blocked by mafia rb. If damdred flips framer, lynch ritoky why makes a framer flip ritoky scum? | ||
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On July 10 2015 07:15 Clarity_nl wrote: Because I don't see a world where scum frame+roleblock town!ritoky and then claim roleblocked on milo scum. I also don't see a world where they have two roleblockers and a framer and both ritoky and milo are cops. If damdred framer visited ritoky it's because they wanted to make scum!ritoky appear green to checks. yeah that makes sense. Only scenario I'd take is the one I mentioned, where milo is really cop and was really roleblocked. I'm actually thinking about taking milo's play from today as "he got in a fight with HF and was frustrated about being read as scum while being town". happened to me in himalayas, I got frustrated af. Since milo has 24 hours to make people think better of him, I'll just let the door for that scenario open. at least a tiny bit. also, what happened to ruxxar? did he disappear or what? what about wave? some people seem to not have cared at all since EoN, correct me if I'm wrong. | ||
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did kelsier show up by now? also i'm here for the rest of the evening. | ||
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On July 14 2015 03:44 Vivax wrote: also i'm here for the rest of the evening = Not gonna do shit but if you really want I'll answer some stuff. Why do people post this? Why make this game so hard? I'm already lost in this game as it is. i have a shit ton of work to do. so I'm skimming and not engaging the game although I'd really love to. sorry. wasn't forseeable at all. | ||
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On July 14 2015 05:21 Holyflare wrote: When you want to actually do ANYTHING useful with your precious free time let me know. This is the 3rd time you've afk'd to come back and repeat the same useless tripe. I feel like my 3 posts were more useful than your whole shit on milo. | ||
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On July 14 2015 05:56 Holyflare wrote: Because absolutely nobody is around to do anything with. Just like you. Returning and saying nothing. I'm not confident on milo's alignment and he doesn't HAVE to be lynched if he decided to give a shit and actually answer all the questions and play properly but nah he doesn't want to. You haven't even particularly read the thread if you think i haven't commented on anything else either because I've been trying to get people to talk about numerous things and they just afk or refuse so instead ill trot along with questioning milo. It's also quite funny that you think it's worse for me to be here and question the guy that is up for lynch than the 20 other players that are here and not saying a word about anything. So you're painting yourself as the good townie who doesn't give up on others as long as there's a chance that they might flip town, however bad their play is or how scummy their behaviour? Thing is that I don't think you're making efforts. You're rather pretending to make efforts since you know as well as I do that milo is going to be hanged no matter what. Your posts also do have a tone that really makes it hard for milo to react in a decent way to them. Basically you're acting towards milo like Germany towards Greece: "bra, you done shit, but you know what, I know what's good for ya, so better eat my shit now". | ||
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On July 14 2015 06:33 Harkon wrote: I don't think that analogy works quite like that but let's keep that out of the game. Yeah not willing to start political discussions now :x but I guess my point is clear. "Eat my medicine" like in Cloud Atlas, you know? | ||
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On July 14 2015 07:18 ruXxar wrote: Shooting HF is a terrible idea. If HF is mafia we can deal with him later. if he is mafia we better lynch him asap | ||
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On July 14 2015 17:07 Trfel wrote: Maybe boxerfred is scum? No, I know his alignment and it is town. | ||
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On July 14 2015 22:58 Harkon wrote: Cool, I have a similar problem but I am nullreading most people instead of townreading them. 1) Marvellosity (filter) - p likely town 2) Scott31337 (filter) - maybe scum? 3) WaveofShadow (filter) - bad 4) Clarity_nl (filter) - i think town or playing a really good scumgame 5) ruXxar (filter) - i thought town? Trfel made me doubt 6) Vivax (filter) - no idea 10) boxerfred (filter) - I think town? 12) Trfel (filter) - dick move town? 13) LightningStrike (filter) - town 15) ObiWanShinobi (filter) - no idea 18) Breshke (filter) - no idea 19) Oatsmaster (filter) - long filter, townish? 21) rsoultin (filter) - ? 22) Half The Sky (filter) - townish 23) Harkon (filter) - town 24) Holyflare (filter) - ? 25) XEliteBlueHunter69X (filter) - no idea Well if we're at it, I can join in: 1) Marvellosity (filter) - town but nothing happened last day to strengthen it 2) Scott31337 (filter) - null/scum lean 3) WaveofShadow (filter) - scum lean 4) Clarity_nl (filter) - by now, town lean 5) ruXxar (filter) - scum lean 6) Vivax (filter) - no idea 10) boxerfred (filter) - town 12) Trfel (filter) - lots of efforts lately, i like that, willing to lean town 13) LightningStrike (filter) - null 15) ObiWanShinobi (filter) - null 18) Breshke (filter) - town lean 19) Oatsmaster (filter) - null with a scum tendency 21) rsoultin (filter) - null 22) Half The Sky (filter) - null with a scum lean 23) Harkon (filter) - town for that vet claim 24) Holyflare (filter) - strongest scum lean, would lynch 25) XEliteBlueHunter69X (filter) - null Totally fine with a HF lynch, the rest is rather hard. still saying HF better get shot this night. | ||
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On July 15 2015 01:20 Clarity_nl wrote: As much as I want to kill him scum for that horrendous list, I think it's more likely bad town. Like how does scum post that list? I had a townread on him prior to the list so... guess I'll stick to it. List is terrible tho. Harsh bra | ||
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On July 15 2015 01:46 ruXxar wrote: @BF: Can you qualify your scum-read of me? Im on mobile so Not too well. I did a short explanation Not too long ago tho. Basically i feel like youre popping up, saying somrthing wishiwashy then back off. Not liking that. Not enough for "would instalynch " but enough for "will look carefully at " | ||
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Stumbled across this: On July 15 2015 04:33 Holyflare wrote: + if anyone actually shoots me today after i already said i'd be home and would be able to play next cycle instead of people like scott/obi etc is actually just mafia because there is not a chance that they shoot me as town if they are thinking logically, nobody in this game except trfel has made a case on me being mafia (and trfel's case i have already destroyed) so really they will shoot me under the guise of "oh yeh that hf and his shit fighting!" and it will be the easiest excuse that anyone as mafia can give but DO NOT BUY IT AT ALL. If they shoot me when there are actually crazy mafia lurkers about is literally telling you that they would rather lose this game if they are town than anything else a smart person that thinks i'm mafia (apart from not being very smart and not having read my filter quite clearly) would save their bullet to reevaluate on me I do not like such a long sentence constructing a reason around not shooting him at night. I mean I get the argument ("don't kill the biggest filter in game", amirite?) but this filter is stupidly unreadable. Sorry. I'm not buying it. Might be totally wrong on that but I take that risk. Please shoot him. marv are you still not having a real grip on the game? On July 15 2015 00:20 marvellosity wrote: i hope whoever shoots has a better grasp than what i do. *flounders* that's really wondering me since by now we have a lot of stuff we can read into. lazy? | ||
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On July 15 2015 06:00 Holyflare wrote: whenever you decide that it's best to post about someone that isn't me, I would like to know! when you're dead I guess | ||
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On July 15 2015 06:05 Holyflare wrote: I don't think i ever ad hom in my mafia games ever You do this game, in a subtle way. You're not saying "fuck you" but a lot of your posts have a subtext of "you're bad/stupid". Here: + Show Spoiler + On July 15 2015 05:56 Holyflare wrote: lol jat you might be mad that such a great entity such as myself dislikes your style of play but that doesn't excuse you from actively trying to throw the game by refusing to participate with that player because you're in tears and stubborn On July 15 2015 04:29 Holyflare wrote: and ls' read is a pile of steaming poop, it's literally based on meta that we don't argue as town which is actually just not meta and rather me being placid and not disagreeing on something, of course if 2 ego's collide in differing opinions they will argue + she plays badly On July 15 2015 05:00 Holyflare wrote: man you guys calling the guy giving the TOWN COP a chance scummy while everyone else did shit all and afk'd :D :D :D :D :D get gud guys On July 15 2015 05:52 Holyflare wrote: like is this really what a good player does? "I think hf is mafia because x player plays like x as town and hf is misrepresenting him" "no, that's not true! there's evidence in this game to say he's not playing like x! point out things that you think are similar to his town game and i'll counter it with evidence!" "nah i'm done hf is mafia!" ....to just call the ones from your last 2 pages. | ||
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On July 15 2015 06:08 Holyflare wrote: ls are you actually going to play this game or afk more and keep repeating the same thing? On July 15 2015 04:52 Holyflare wrote: anyway just gonna afk till the flip, remember if anyone shoots me they are confirmed mafia and do not ever ever let them talk themselves out of that sheep clarity tbh his thoughts are pretty similar to me and his nulls are pretty interchangeable with his mafia list imo (don't lynch wave tbh) You start bra. | ||
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On July 15 2015 06:11 Holyflare wrote: yes i know i'm doing it in this game sherlock and i'm town i'm saying as mafia i don't ad hom people so first you're now going ad hom at me, second "mafia" can refer to the game and not only to games where you roll scum, watson. | ||
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On July 15 2015 06:13 Holyflare wrote: yeh but i quite clearly wasn't implying i hadn't ad hom'd THIS game lol either way irrelevant No? On July 15 2015 06:12 LightningStrike wrote: You did as scum vs Fid who was the confirmed Mason with rsoultin at that game. | ||
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On July 15 2015 06:16 Holyflare wrote: holy fucking crapsicles this is IRRELEVANT ANYWAY the point is obi is mafia and you're all just detracting that by proving an irrelevant point that doesn't exist. I think jat plays bad and his lack of interaction while calling me mafia proves that. You can shoot me 1000x over and that will just prove my opinion was in fact true and yes i'm a dick for saying it and i don't particularly care. jat is also my wifom read of being mafia btw so if he survives the night, you know what my tin foil theory is! Yes, it's poor. Capslock does not make you right in the slightest and does not shift any attention towards someone else. Why get so mad? I'm sure with your awesome reads you can easily make Harkon, LS and me think that you're town. Maybe you should stop the fighting and instead do what you asked Milo to do - actually provide thoughts, cases or anything that would make us read you town? Or, you can react to my post with the same irrelevant, useless fight stuff that fills your filter quite a lot. | ||
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On July 15 2015 06:29 Harkon wrote: No. You can start worrying if he survives one more night after this one. I just remember seeing him die quite early in the games I played with him and I think he flipped town every single time. People were even joking about it just like I did now. | ||
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On July 15 2015 06:29 ruXxar wrote: Im thinking primary NK's are Marv, Harkon, LS, HF You're counting town shots in that, or only scum kills? | ||
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On July 15 2015 06:56 ruXxar wrote: So here's something I also am thinking about. From what I saw from damdred it doesn't seem like mafia are actually hard-bussing each other(some say that he likes to do that, but for this exercise I'll assume he didn't) Using that and some arbitrary measure of what I consider pushing hard / throwing shit at each other I'd say that these people aren't mafia together(either town/town or town/mafia): HF + Rsoultin. HF + Trfel. HF + Obi. HF + HTS. HF + Harkon Ruxx + Trfel. Ruxx + Rsoultin. Boxerfred + Clarity. Boxerfred + Oats. I might've missed some interactions but yeah. Not sure if this is a valid line of thought, but I'm thinking that as more mafia flip we can see if this is a tendency that holds true or if they are all just playing individually separate of each other. Since that list is concentrating on HF, you and me - is there anything particular you want to point out? | ||
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HtS, can you give your top scum reads and your top town reads? Not sure about Clarity now since his "fuck you" towards HF's martyring felt really random. I don't understand that reaction at all. Willing to bus maybe? Can you please explain, Clarity? Trfel made lots of efforts during the night. That was not necessary an I'm willing to give him town cred for that. Breshke pops up every now and then, not liking that. After diving OWS, I town read him. Making sense, being consistent, pushing, bringing up old issues, lots and lots of reasons to not scumread him. I dived Ruxxar since I remember that he townread Damdred as well as Kelsier pretty much day 1+2. He backed off of his KSC read however, without really needing to do so. There was not much pressure on KSC at all. Breshke said this too and he's not necessarily trusting Ruxxar yet which kind of makes me read him town. Time to check who's alive and try to sort. The list I provided some hours ago was fastly written with a lot of subjective thoughts and almost no deep diving. Town reads: boxerfred ObiWanShinobi (explained above) LightningStrike (claimed blue, weaponsmith) Town leans: Breshke ruXxar Clarity_nl Trfel (explained above) Null: Vivax (need to look into, I feel like he's popping up every now and then, drive-by posting, not liking that) WaveofShadow (need to look into. Dropped off my radar.) rsoultin (need to look into. Dropped off my radar.) Scum leans: Half The Sky (explained above) Oatsmaster (almost a null read, need to look into) Scum reads: Holyflare (way too many posts that did not achieve much. posts are hard to read, harder to proof-read. I feel like there's a lot of derailing, spamming, now joined by martyring. since he got the reputation of a really sick player, I don't buy the martyring. Also, I feel like he's capable of pulling the VT claim. I want to make that high risk, high reward move of lynching him though he's got the biggest filter in the game. if nothing pops up over the day, my vote will most likely stay on him.) I guess that's it for today. 2am here, good night people. /discuss! XEliteBlueHunter69X | ||
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There's this post: On July 07 2015 01:33 Damdred wrote: Well that took a bit to read a good amount of town reads from it sorta, these are the people id want to lynch today Trfel Ritoky LIGHTNINGSTRIKE these are my most wanted lynched obvious preference Even bringing up Trfel later, when he dropped off the radar a bit: That post came where a lot of pressure was put on Trfel if I remember correctly. That makes me feel Trfel is a townie. Bussing that hard on one of the first days? I don't think so. That strengthens my town lean to a full blown town read. Damdred even did a case on Clarity: On July 07 2015 23:46 Damdred wrote: Good morning guys, i've caught up to the thread and would like to push you all to kill clarity today. I'm not going to bother posting tons of quotes so you should fact check yourself after you get done reading. The first thing of note to look at when it comes to clarity is his weird way of reading HF at the start of the game. Something that is really Non alignment indicative gets him to totally town read HF and say that in no way would he lynch HF today and he would totally fight against his lynch today. To me this is extremely odd, openings are usually not really that important and when informed that HF is the best (arguably) scum player on this site, the stance never changed and no fear is shown at all towards HF. The next thing that really bugs me about Clarity is lack of follow up and ignoring of questions. I think that is extremely scummy behavior, if you look in his filter you will see that multiple times I asked him questions about the town read he gave HF, any more reads and his reasoning behind voteing wave and open ended questions. He ignores them until I continue to push them down his throat. He has no real follow up which I think is damning. The weird vote and unvote has been talked about a bit by Marv as being really strange. Wave really really hasn't done jack all this game so not sure why he would unvote as it feels sorta like hes just going with thread sentiment to an extent and going where its safe. HF pushes wave goes to wave, thread goes against ritoky jumps to ritoky. Now is trying to get marv to tell him where to go. And has no real reads at this point. TLDR Has no fear of people he says are town, ie HF after one post Lacks follow through on some posts/questions Lacks scum reads Follows thread sentiment and jumps to another when its available instead of pushing what he thinks. This guy is scum vot ehim. And some people (me too) followed. More town cred for clarity in my eyes. However, some posts later, I find this: On July 09 2015 06:31 Damdred wrote: I like this post, I like ruxxor. He just seems so carefree with his thoughts. Damdred's response to the post that Breshke is relating to and which I brought up some posts ago. There's no follow up on this, it's simply a "I like that". I feel like that is an attempt to continue the KSC bus ("I'm okay with someone who starts scuimreading someone I already poke continuesly and disagree with" or so could be the picture he wants to paint). On July 10 2015 07:01 Damdred wrote: It's sad that Geript lost his reasoning. It's ok when I flip just look into Kel. Rs, milo So. That says: "Here's a scum member, Kel, here's a town member, milo, here's someone who's alignment we don't know, rsoul." Does not feel very helpful. But: On July 11 2015 05:25 Damdred wrote: HI EVERYONE, the first thing is like to say is ty everyone for a mildly enjoyable game, it wasn't to much a pain to read when I sat down and read it wven if it was long. Most everyone is a joy to play with and I'm glad I was able to play for a short time with some of my favorites <3 So now to get down to the basics of trying to leave the game in a better place when I die even though I've played like an idiot today. I feel like these people are extremely towny still in this game and are probably the top town. Marv Ruxxar Geript Ritoky hark Each one of these has something special about their games. I was deathly wrong about ritoky early because he broke his meta that I knew of him, but his later postings plus the kp went through even though he was blocked. Hark and geript are confirmed blues to me, geript tracked me to my target can't argue there. Hark ate a shot and Marv is his normal towny self. LS is interesting I'm that he claims he gave a gun to someone but we have a shit ton of blue claims, so if someone pipes up tommorow claiming a horrible shot o. One of these top towns its possible ls is fake claiming scum vigi on some bizzaro world but overall I think the claim is pretty believable. I like both HTS and I like Breshke. Both seem to care about the game and generally are trying to push what they think in the thread. Those are the people I am generally town reading no matter what. People I'm scum reading are Rsoultin Milo MZ Trfel I've talked a good bit about Milo and rsoultin in my filter lynch them. geript and a few others seem sure about mz. Theblack of carss bothers me and the ability to actively lurk while barely doing much. Wave fits in this category to btw. Trfel doesn't care to me when I look at the game more than likely is scum If I had to guess the last scum its someone in hf or wave. But maybe I'm horrible at reading wave, ke maybe to idk a bit torn any questions I'll be happy to answer before death Now look at that. He said before dieing that he wanted town to look into Kelsier. However, Kelsier disappeared from the scum list he provided. Those four people have two dead among them who both flipped town. The town reads list has even 4 people in it that flipped town. I am actually willing (due to the fact that Kelsier did not appear on that list) to think that no scum member is among the people listed there. So town cred for Ruxxar and rsoultin. So here is my updated read list: Town reads: boxerfred ObiWanShinobi (explained above) LightningStrike (claimed blue, weaponsmith) Town leans: Breshke ruXxar Clarity_nl Trfel (explained above) rsoultin (need to look into. Dropped off my radar.) Null: Vivax (need to look into, I feel like he's popping up every now and then, drive-by posting, not liking that) WaveofShadow (need to look into. Dropped off my radar.) Scum leans: Half The Sky Oatsmaster (almost a null read, need to look into) Scum reads: Holyflare | ||
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On July 15 2015 09:28 Clarity_nl wrote: I think the last big quote is meaningless because he was basically 100% getting lynched at that point, so it's a big wifom bomb. I had the same thought initially. But he was really dedicated, even trying to pull that mason stuff. Given that a lot of players were still alive, given that Damdred would've tried to cause as much confusion as possible, wouldn't it be great to list only townies, even if only to derail efforts? That's what makes me think this is like the one possible thing we can read from this post. | ||
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On July 16 2015 04:41 Clarity_nl wrote: Because he said "I'm not longer posting, just lynch me". Pay attention. And when did he really hold to such posts in this game? Last night, he said "gonna afk shitheads" then did not afk. | ||
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On July 16 2015 04:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote: And this is relevant towards his alignment how? I did not say so. | ||
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On July 16 2015 05:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote: You were implying that it was. And the way you phrased it was very mafia. that feels really constructed. I can't see where I implied that it looked scummy. Can you actually provide reasons why you scumread me? | ||
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On July 16 2015 05:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote: If you read the thread, you'd know how my read progressed. What is constructed about whatever it is you have a problem with? Aside from Holyflare, who else is mafia and why? Are you serious? You say "read the thread and you'd know how my read progressed" when I ask you to provide reasons? In the same post, you say "who else is mafia" when I basically did provide a fucking list on everyone like 5 pages ago? Regarding constructed: the implication of "hf is scum because he's not here" is constructed. I cannot see where my post implies that. | ||
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boxerfred ObiWanShinobi LightningStrike Town leans: Breshke ruXxar Clarity_nl Trfel rsoultin Null: Vivax WaveofShadow Bluehunter Scum leans: Half The Sky Oatsmaster Scum reads: Holyflare gosh dont tell me to read if you didnt read my posts. how can you read me as scum, then ask me that question literally out of nowhere, then refuse to give reasons but instead say "read it"? | ||
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On July 16 2015 05:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Meh. Okay. So why are you scum reading me? | ||
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On July 16 2015 05:30 Half the Sky wrote: Yeh he's been pushing me all game based on a meta read, but I've told him once he's completely misinterpreting my meta. Boxerfred, this is a large game. Most of town is at a crossroads right now, myself included and people - myself included - are not going to push someone without being fully confident in their read, which has been hampered by a combination of suboptimal play, digging through and trying to understand a much larger thread and much larger filters, and also newer players (e.g. milo, MZ, ruXxar, Clarity, WoS for me) that I am unfamiliar with, whereas, in Not Themed, I played with nearly everyone there before. That said, his read is within the realm of possibilities (believable) for his experience with me but it is wrong. His read on me does not make him scum. I do not however, understand why he is scumreading Oats. I think even Vivax asked him that too. I have him as town. I have not been pushing you. I have nothing to get a grip on, nothing that would be a good thing for me to push. That makes you town or a good scum player. Remember, it's a scum lean. Not a full blown read. On July 16 2015 05:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I said I misread something and took it back. Does it not bother you that both of your scumleans are on the same wagon as you? Hm I did not take that into consideration yet. I guess that's why they are leans and not reads? | ||
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On July 16 2015 06:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm not moving my vote off of ebh. Ever. Well I'll read his filter now. Maybe I'll find something. | ||
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Another thought that came to my mind: We had 3 NK's this night, all on town: Marvellosity the DLME Investigator has been killed! Scott31337 the DLME Investigator has been killed! Harkon the Lieutenant has been killed! I assume that the Harkon shot came from scum. Pretty much confirmed blue. How many shots can scum pull off with 2 members left? MOD QUESTION: Was Kelsier able to submit a night action? Was that night action executed or was it nullified since he was killed before EoN? Then, I assume that someone who was handed a gun by LightningStrike shot. Most likely, the target was scott because he was scumread quite heavily. The other kill would've been a scum kill on marv then. What is the thought process between killing marv and not LightningStrike? Recognizing him as an experienced player who's capable of finding scum? I'd say HtS and HF could think that way. Since the gun LS handed out was a 1-shot, I think it's safe for him to say who he gave the gun to. Also, I want the gun bearer to tell who he shot and why. That would make it clearer which targets where shot by scum and it would confirm two people as town. Or, LS + the one who claims having received the gun are the last two scum members. That is only possible if there is another blue that is able to shoot in the game. At this point, we have 5 dead blues and 1 more claimed blue, LS. That makes six blues vs. four reds. I lack experience in that game so please tell me, is that a valid and balanced setup that is likely to be used by Blazinghand? Okay, so tl;dr: LS, who received the gun? Confirm one more townie please. Guy with gun, tell us who you shot. Also, is 6 blues vs. 4 reds okay and a "normal" setup? | ||
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On July 16 2015 06:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Holy shit. Read the thread. It says it in the OP. Thefuck?! Couldn't find it. I even went to the model post that BH provided just now. I searched via CTRL+F "4" and "four". Can you show me please? | ||
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What if 3 scum roles with KP are alive and LS is lying about how he gave it to marv? | ||
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On July 16 2015 06:50 Half the Sky wrote: Two scum KP are accounted for - Harkon/marv Third KP is marv on Scott Fourth death is modkill. And I claimed the shot on MZ. In your world, the real gunsmith hasn't claimed or a town LS gunsmith would lie on whom he gave it to. Why would either ever happen? Hm thinking deeper into that, LS is pretty much confirmed, yep. I actually really like your post since it sets me back on trail, points out to the facts and is really a good reminder for me to not go totally crazy right now. That's highly unlikely for a scum member to do. Moving you to town lean. God, good night now. | ||
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On July 16 2015 06:58 rsoultin wrote: if you're talking about "dumbtells", he's making them up the ying-yang...i maybe could get behind that. but i guess it depends on why he's pushing this line of thinking I was thinking of a scenario of 3 scum members alive carrying KPs and LS claiming to only give guns to dead people, thus justifying the third KP. I'm completely backing off of that on second thought though. alsdkjsaöldkjsaöldk good night. | ||
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On July 16 2015 09:56 Holyflare wrote: Well, oats pushed geript for his "scum slip" thing all of day one right? It genuinely looks like Oats is a VT and "caught" out geript in his scum slip thing and besides that he had actual logical reasons to scum read geript too, he elaborated more on it later: To oats, it was obvious that geript did not get the VT pm and he spent ages tunneling on it (I actually really like all of his posts d1 and maybe I should ignore oats less ) so if he was mafia he'd know that geript was actually blue. Vivax is a bit hard to quantify but i'll try in a bit Just jumping by from mobile: since you claimed VT via the PM as the very first post D1, I think it was obvious to everyone (thus to scum, too) that DMLE Investigator is a VT role PM. I think that really weakens your argumentation on town Oats. But I really like the efforts you're making especially that you refuse to shitfight with rsoul. | ||
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On July 16 2015 13:23 Holyflare wrote: Yes yes ok, you're a good player. This wasn't the answer I'm looking for though it's so wishy washy and doesn't say anything about obi. I KNOW his reads based on activity mean nothing but why do you tell me what i already know instead of what it means foefor obi? I mean... You just don't seem inquisitive and it's scummy and i can't get past it. You just worded so well why i scumread hts in the past. Being in lylo with u or rsoul is not something i wanna do. | ||
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On July 16 2015 23:35 Clarity_nl wrote: Okay so to get this straight: Me trfel WoS rsoultin HtS You think there's 3 scum in these 5 people? No they are all town of course | ||
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Also you pretty much do nothing with your wuestions. Wht is your point? Asking for the sake of appearing town? | ||
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On July 16 2015 23:47 Clarity_nl wrote: So much sigh in your responses, how hard is it to answer questions? You didn't say that actually, until just now. You just gave 5 people you would lynch over HF yet you don't want to unvote HF in case he's scum??? How does that make ANY sense. Not only that, but you have no reasons for any of the names on your list (except for me) and you somehow had a hard time admitting that you were sheeping HF. What bra? I unvoted HF already. Check your facts. And where the fuck did I have a hard time "admitting" sheeping HF? I said it clearly here: On July 16 2015 23:23 boxerfred wrote: My reasoning behind voting hf was sheeping ls and the idea of high risk high reward. Not lynching him since by now i feel like there is too much new information to work with, also due to hfs posts over the day. However it he flips scum in a Situation where i unvoted him ill probably be lynched next day. So i actually Think im gonna trust and even sheep hin. Off to the voting thread it goes. I committed now, lets see it it changes anything for good. Were you so busy constructing your useless questions (you're still not leading to any point with them) about that post that you did not read it? | ||
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I want to lynch Clarity and rsoul with highest priority, sheeping ruxxar at that point, then with a "I'm afraid she's scum"-gutfeeling/meta-read I want to lynch HtS. | ||
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In his defenses, several people posted a lot good shit which is something great. I feel like while we might not have the situation of "shit a scum member's being lynched better start another vote train on someone" we have a (in my world) "let's get town HF mislynched so we can then go ahead and remove the most dangerous player" | ||
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On July 16 2015 23:56 boxerfred wrote: Also Ruxxar's post catapults him to a town read in my "HF is town" world. So here's what I'm gonna do: I'll strictly believe that HF and Ruxxar and LS are town. Boom. Either that world is correct and I'm fine with any lynch that is not in between those three, or I'll go down in flames and pitchforks if my reads and believes are incorrect. I want to lynch Clarity and rsoul with highest priority, sheeping ruxxar at that point, then with a "I'm afraid she's scum"-gutfeeling/meta-read I want to lynch HtS. Would lynch clarity, rsoul or hts, switching for majority's sake. | ||
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rsoultin, Half the Sky two of my scum reads | ||
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On July 17 2015 00:05 Clarity_nl wrote: Because scum are full of doubt when everyone else jumps on a single wagon, right? You sure wanna go down this thought process when you're on the HF train, right? | ||
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On July 17 2015 00:08 Clarity_nl wrote: I think HtS and rsoultin are town, so yes. If you wouldn't mind to stop asking pointless questions (I know that you think my read is plain bull shit) or point out already known things (your town reads on HtS and rsoultin), you could actually read Ruxxar's huge post and start arguing how your town read, rsoultin, is actually town and not scum. | ||
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On July 17 2015 00:08 Clarity_nl wrote: Like even if you're right and HtS is scum (I don't think you are) then it's not because she hasn't voted yet. It's an absurd reason. I am not saying that I think she's scum for that reason. It just fits the picture that I have, that's it. Your picking the worst things to disprove them, do you know that? Also how can you so hardcore townread rsoultin when Ruxxar just made a very informative post on her? | ||
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Yes. But since I have the picture of a scum HtS that does not do too much, doesn't go hard push on anyone, it fits the picture that she'd hold her vote for as long as possible. | ||
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On July 17 2015 00:10 Oatsmaster wrote: So if the shit was so great, why cant you decide on a lynch? Clearly cant be that great. WHaaaaaat??? Start reading! I unvoted HF. Little later, I voted Clarity. Then I unvoted Clarity for the sake of sheeping Ruxxar. | ||
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On July 17 2015 00:12 Clarity_nl wrote: I have a hard time figuring out ruxxar's post. He's made several huge posts today but they all feel like "look at how much work I'm doing!". Like yeah, HF has done a lot, I agree. Rsoultin has done less than HF, I agree with that too. However her thoughts seem natural and they align with mine a lot. I still think you're town. I think your reasoning for things, especially in the last two pages, has been especially atrocious and I'm pointing out why but you're ignoring me and just going full steam ahead anyway. Yet you hard town read her. On July 16 2015 19:33 Clarity_nl wrote: HF I kinda want to lynch you out of spite now, and the fact that I'll feel really really dumb if you're scum and I didn't lynch you. But I'm still liking your push on OWS Decisions decisions. Oh btw if you flip scum now I will entertain the thought that you're bussing OWS. On July 16 2015 22:29 Clarity_nl wrote: I actually think HF has been contributing useful stuff. Like I like his push on OWS and I like his reasoning for townreading oats for starters. However I struggle to see how he martyrs, and then when he comes back he 180s on me. Like he goes from "clarity's thoughts align with mine, sheep him when I'm dead" to "clarity confirmed scum for believing in my OWS push and never wavering in his townread of me" when I did in fact waver quite a bit, I gave harkon plenty of opportunity to explain to me why he thinks HF is scum and I was going to read up on HF, however HF martyrs and suddenly I just don't give a shit. I was dreading having to go through HF's meta of games I wasn't in but I would have done it, but this is just dumb. HF by the time you started getting milo to talk I was convinced he was scum, he had practically given up and was not trying to defend himself nor was he scumhunting. I believed in my case and all my townreads were calling him scum. Only in the last hour or two did he start sounding like town but I think that's the easiest bit to fake "woe is me I'm so sorry guys I should have played better" I have not been disruptive at all so you are clearly misrepresenting me. So you're not even providing decent reasons to lynch HF. You're just saying "well I like him but I vote him". Then, you feel stunned due to him 180'ing you but do not even realize that I town leaned you before and now you're my top scum read? How does that not bother you, wtf? Sorry, so much inconsistency in so little time. Your whole day feels like you're trying to get HF lynched without making the impression to actually want to lynch him. | ||
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No. But it simply is in the post that you quoted. I bolded it for you. Gosh. | ||
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On July 17 2015 00:14 Oatsmaster wrote: Thats not the correct picture then. Scum have no reason to hold their votes. They dont care who gets lynched as long as its not them. If its a good town, then its a bonus but no scum goes into the day hardpushing town hf. Town however, cant decide who they want to lynch, so generally town are the ones with the later votes. This is a pretty big generalization but in essence, voting late isnt a scumtell. Unless you find HTS' games where she always votes late as scum and never as town. Im pretty sure they doesnt exist though. Not saying it's a scumtell, I repeat. My picture is not wrong. Saying it's wrong does not make it wrong. I think it's right. Start arguing and stop ranting over how something is a scumtell or not if bringing that up wasn't even meant like "it's a scumtell" but more like "look, it fits the fucking picture. it's a small detail in a huge puzzle". I guess I'm way down in OMGUS land now so bye. | ||
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On July 17 2015 00:19 Clarity_nl wrote: HF is a better player than you. Also you have no incentive to change your read, he does. Also right after the phrase you bolded I explained my townread on rsoultin. Your explanation on the rsoultin townread is simply bad. HF pointed that out. Ruxxar's post points it out. So you're still saying "rsoultin thinks the same stuff as I do so she's town"? All I see is a scum tag team pushing a HF mislynch. | ||
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My world is my impression of the game. My thoughts. So of course I try to find things that fit that picture. All you do is saying "oh you're wrong". I don't know how you can have no idea why I think that HtS is scum if you have read the thread. | ||
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Cool, still dodging to actually have an opinion on Ruxxar's post. | ||
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Still dodging + ad hom. | ||
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On July 17 2015 00:32 Clarity_nl wrote: No one is sheeping LS I was. Are you reading? | ||
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On July 17 2015 04:44 ruXxar wrote: Here's something I need to say: When town decides to just train onto someone it means that either they're lynching a townie or someone is bussing real hard. Just look at the votes right now. HF is at 9 votes. If he was mafia and his mafia partners are bussing him, they could easily switch off to another target to guarantee a no-lynch. Since everyone seems dead-set on lynching HF, it pretty much points to this being 1 of 2 options: Option 1) HF is mafia together with 2 of these people: EBH Boxerfred Breshke Option 2) HF is town and mafia + town are voting on him. I have a townlean on boxerfred and slight townlean on EBH. I know I'm town, so the likelyhood of there being mafia in the vote on HF right now is really high. I need you guys to think about this, and think real hard. - If HF flips scum, then it's almost guaranteed that the mafia are among the people not voting on him. - If HF flips town, then it's almost guaranteed that the mafia are voting on him right now. I don't see a world where mafia bus HF here. If HF flips scum you'll find the mafia among these people: EBH BF Breshke If he flips town, then mafia are voting on him right now. I second that. Strongly. Want to add that it is still possible that people who did not vote yet are among the scum team no matter how he flips. So it's a) voters of HF + people who did not vote until now or b) yeah, ebh me or breshke. I know that I'm town so EBH + Breshke. The irony is though that we can only safely lynch among us 3 if HF flips scum. Which means we can't today. Or not? | ||
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On July 17 2015 05:14 boxerfred wrote: I second that. Strongly. Want to add that it is still possible that people who did not vote yet are among the scum team no matter how he flips. So it's a) voters of HF + people who did not vote until EBWOP | ||
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On July 17 2015 05:16 Clarity_nl wrote: Look bf, you just play the game wrong. Why is it not possible for 2 scum to be on HF and 1 scum to not be voting, or 3 on HF and 0 not voting him. The only thing that's fair to say is that if HF is town, at least 1 vote on him is scum as I highly doubt all scum would sit around and suck their thumbs. These conclusions that you are drawing are ABSURD. I don't get it. I'm saying: "look, there are possibly scum members among the people who hadn't vote yet". You're saying "hy is it not possible for 2 scum to be on HF and 1 scum to not be voting" yet what I'm saying is ABSURD? You're weird and I will stop listening to you for a time. | ||
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Maybe even OWS somehow I'm not sure about Rsoulting but hey, sheeping HF it is. | ||
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On July 17 2015 07:07 Breshke wrote: This is gonna rustle some people but if you think we arnt lynching one of HFs scum reads tomorrow's then your dreaming. Would even prefer Clarity over Rsoul at this point | ||
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On July 17 2015 07:11 rsoultin wrote: yeah? no one's lynching me ^^ i'll take a look at his other reads, though What a huge BS post. | ||
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On July 17 2015 07:11 Breshke wrote: I still think hts is town boxerfred but I haven't looked at the thing HF linked yet okay I guess. After all we have one mislynch left, right? | ||
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On July 17 2015 07:12 Half the Sky wrote: I honestly wish I would have just shot HF n2 and taken the policy lynch d3. :/ I think two of the scummers are on the HF wagon and one tried to disassociate from it. I have no idea. But I feel like all scum players are on HF. The wagon basically never stopped, the votes on others feel more like townie votes. | ||
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On July 17 2015 07:15 rsoultin wrote: how is it bs? lol...like seriously i'm just saying it's not gonna happen. if you want to make it bs by trying to lynch me, be my guest anyway, i'm out for awhile. sucks that i was wrong, but frankly, i'm kind of glad to not have him sniping at me every turn even if he was town also, ruxx looks super bad for the hard defend, just sayin Well tbh I can see you getting lynched since we agreed on sheeping HF, didn't we? Also ruxx looks bad for the hard defend of what? I don't know what you refer to. This is not an aggressive question. | ||
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On July 17 2015 20:15 Vivax wrote: I hope this will be what happens tomorrow. Never forget. On July 17 2015 20:33 Oatsmaster wrote: Hm OK, let's lynch wave tmr. | ||
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On July 17 2015 20:59 rsoultin wrote: okay, so we're at 10:3, which means with the kills tonight unless miraculously we have any blues who didn't decide to out in the first two days 8:3 - tomorrow 7:3 - ml 5:3 - triple mylo/lylo so literally absolutely everyone in this game who is using hf as an excuse to do another auto lynch is either scum or horrible and when you lose this game after i flip town you have only yourselves to blame for thinking there's any validity to something as illogical as hf and rsoul can't possibly fight/misread each other as town on that note...oats, you've called me scum all game? isn't this your chance? xP pointing out the obvious + sayign "sheep town HF is a sucky idea"? you're totally scum. | ||
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On July 18 2015 06:33 rsoultin wrote: so why is everyone ignoring bf? i mean, i know that i'm ignoring him because my tolerance for dumb is pretty low and i'd rather not get myself modkilled -_- but everyone seems to be townreading him? why? because I'm town as fuck and you're not maybe? while my efforts might've been not the greatest in terms of quality, I actually made efforts and did jump off the HF train (with a correct read btw. not so dumb now, huh?) you got my vote, rsoul. | ||
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On July 18 2015 06:37 Clarity_nl wrote: Basically he had the dumbtell of not knowing how many scum are in the game, but I am starting to doubt because I literally disagree with everything that he's posting. aaaand because you're scum only player I'm not 100% sure is HtS. I'm 80% sure though. | ||
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On July 18 2015 06:48 Clarity_nl wrote: How you can delude yourself to ever be 100% sure about anything is ridiculous. I've shown you time and time again that the way you are approaching things is awful, and yet you just keep going and going like an energizer bunny leaving footprints made of shit. you also said "fuck you" so I guess I won't take advice on the game from you | ||
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On July 18 2015 07:24 Clarity_nl wrote: Eh, your posts after damdred claim make sense if you're JK. I believe it. Alright so let's lynch ruxxar, yes? ##Vote RuXxar No. ##vote rsoultin | ||
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On July 18 2015 08:19 rsoultin wrote: ... you're already assuming one of your scumreads is wrong, bf? lol like the only reason i can find for you voting me is because i called you dumb xP saying 80% sure that hts is scum is not a hundred percent. so it can happen that there's lylo. also if you'd be reading you'd know that I'm sheeping marv. also your night posts were plain stupid, not helpful at all, as your posts this day are. shh now, won't change my vote. the fact that rsoultin and me are still alive tells me two things anyways: a) rsoultin is scum b) scum wants to keep me alive since either they think I'll push rsoul and rsoul is town or they think they can turn town against me. not sure what it is however im totally willing to lynch rsoul and then blame HF for bad reads. | ||
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On July 19 2015 01:49 Alakaslam wrote: Vote Count rsoultin (3): boxerfred, ruXxar, XEliteBlueHunter69X ruXxar (4): Clarity_nl, Half The Sky, rsoultin, trfel Not Voting (4): WaveofShadow, ObiWanShinobi, Breshke, Oatsmaster, Currently, no one is set to be lynched. With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Day ends at Sunday, Jul 19 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in . Voting is Mandatory! Voting is done in the voting thread: (link) There's your tag team. | ||
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On July 19 2015 10:45 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: im down to vote boxerfred just by POE at this point honestly, no cases or anything. On July 19 2015 12:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I can lynch Bf. That statement is probably the second time I remember him saying something that made no sense as a scumread. wub wub 1 ML left so why not? Maybe you'll then go for a HF sheep finally by lynching rsoultin, then sheeping me and going for clarity and hts. I don't care at all, frustrating to see how people say "oh HF is town we should sheep" and then don't sheep. | ||
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However investing a second thought into things, I'm kinda sure that HtS' no-lynch is indeed alignment indicative. Especially the "who should I vote for" question is huge. Also, this: On July 20 2015 06:58 Half the Sky wrote: Swapped my vote to Clarity. ##unvote ##vote clarity Wow! So basically you bold the fact that you completely threw your vote away? 2 Minutes before end? On July 20 2015 06:59 Half the Sky wrote: who do I vote 1 minute before end? Are you seriously expecting an answer? Like you were the one holding the decision. You were in the thread. And then you pull off a no-lynch, trying to imply that you had no idea who to vote on and it was rather accidental than purposeful play? On July 20 2015 07:08 Half the Sky wrote: Look I got fucked being on mobile. I didn't see VA's last post until it was too late my last change came in at 1800. I honestly want to kill myself. I'm getting mislynched tomorrow. Beyond frustrated right now. This is not a dumbtell and you did not get fucked on mobile. What if both of the rsoultin and bluehunter are scum? On July 20 2015 07:09 Trfel wrote: No, don't kill Half the Sky. She may be stupid, but she's not scum. If you think that Half the Sky is scum with both rsoultin and XEliteBlueHunter69X, you're a moron. If you don't think that this is true, she could have just voted for the whoever isn't scum. Or more likely, both are town. Why? Why am I a moron for taking this into consideration? I say that it is very possible that both voted people are members of the scum team. So please, please, please explain very thoroughly, for a dumb moron as I am one, why this is not possible. | ||
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On July 20 2015 20:02 Oatsmaster wrote: Btw bf, if ebh and rsoul and hts are mafia, hts lynches ebh for sure. Like that's just not possible. Since we can't no lynch, we kill rsoul. wow sudden clarity what a great idea not like we had that before . | ||
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I was there half an hour eod because I thought "well let's check mafia before bed real quick" and I instantly regret that decision. gogo ml me already so the game is over, not gonna say much more than "lynch between rsoul/clarity/hts". over and out. | ||
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On July 21 2015 04:16 ruXxar wrote: Right now the people voting on rsoul look damn towny to me. There's no way mafia would risk a mis-lynch of their team-mate by letting her sit at 5 votes when 1 vote switch would lead to a mis-lynch of their team mate. This currently puts my world like this: rsoultin (5): boxerfred, ruXxar, XEliteBlueHunter69X, oatsmaster, WaveofShadow XEliteBlueHunter69X (5): Clarity_nl, OWS, trfel, breshke, rsoultin Clarity_nl (1): HTS I don't understand why you say "no way mafia would risk a mis-lynch for 1 vote difference" and then paint rsoultin red and not the one who switched, hts? | ||
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however in every of those scenarios, rsoul is scum. lynch rsoul. easy. kk? | ||
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On July 21 2015 09:00 Trfel wrote: I think I really like this read. I don't know what to make of ruXxar's logic being so incorrect. And him missing End of Day without warning, then coming back and just being apparently frustrated for the no-lynch. It sort of feels like mafia getting lazy near the end of the game, but I really don't know. Also, it seems that my list post was pretty stupid, as most people have the same scumreads as me. Oh well. im lazy ever since HF died and noone expect me sheeped his reads ##vote rsoultin ffs | ||
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On July 22 2015 00:15 Clarity_nl wrote: rsoultin are you more confident in my lynch than say a bf lynch? I'm trying to figure out why and I can't really from your filter. don't even try + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On July 22 2015 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote: yeah im 100% not lynching bf, dont waste your time. claritys post implies two things. a) he's considering lynching me, no great news, b) he's putting light pressure on rsoul which i see as a foolish bus attempt. if we're not lynching between rsoul and clarity we're dead. | ||
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On July 22 2015 01:58 Clarity_nl wrote: Reading comprehension must be hard. Anyway, as per my win condition I gotta try and lynch bf and hope he's scum, so placing my vote there and you guys can decide. Don't see the point in putting in more effort ##Vote boxerfred Okay, so. I did not put any effort in since 2 days, so much is clear. The only way you're saying that I'm illogical is because of that point where I switched off of HF and decided to sheep him. That's what I still do. I'm consistent on sheeping him, consistent in voting rsoul. What is illogical is that you say "fuck you" to me, then do some obscure "I'll show you how to play the game once it's over", repeat that you still think I'm town although you're also repeatingly saying that I'm scum, then throwing your vote on me because "well I hope he's scum"? Like that makes no sense! You're trying to act reasonable last days, ever since there was so much pressure on you day 2 or 3 you acted very reasonable, I even town leaned you for that. Also, your vote is simply irrelevant! There's no way I'm getting lynched today, like it makes no sense! If you really want to lynch me, you need to convince people. Saying "I hope he's scum" does not convince people! Is it so hard for you to simply vote rsoultin? I mean it's between you and her and if you are freaking town and you think she might be scum (because that's what you said some posts ago!), why aren't you confident in switching to her? I really don't get it! Voting her would a) save yourself, b) make it a high chance that a scum member gets killed. Even if it's a mislynch, we get more information because 2 KPs do not leave much room for interpretation then! The only way your vote would make sense would be either on rsoultin or on you. Since I don't see you voting yourself, you should just vote rsoultin. | ||
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On July 22 2015 03:06 Clarity_nl wrote: Because bf is gonna lynch me eventually so either he dies and flips red or town loses. I don't see the point in prolonging it. Thus far, all I wanna do is lynch freakin' rsoultin. I didn't switch for you once. Hell you're my top2 scum read, yes, but there's still a way to disprove that read. However playing totally weird after you tried to make an impression of "I'm playing reasonably" does do anything, neither for town in general nor for yourself. Not at all. I insist: vote rsoultin. | ||
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On July 22 2015 03:47 boxerfred wrote: I even would like to lynch HtS over you if we lynch a scum member today because I really don't wanna be with her in LYLO. Like, scum was actually really stupid to kill Breshke. There was no way he'd be confirmed and he'd be a great town to have in LYLO. Or did I miss something that 100% confirmed his claim? I don't think so. 3) WaveofShadow (filter) 4) Clarity_nl (filter) 5) ruXxar (filter) 10) boxerfred (filter) 12) Trfel (filter) 19) Oatsmaster (filter) 21) rsoultin (filter) 22) Half The Sky (filter) 25) XEliteBlueHunter69X (filter) This is my world. Next night, two variables will be removed if we don't lynch a KP carrier today. I don't want to be in LYLO with the following people: 3) WaveofShadow (filter) 22) Half The Sky (filter) 25) XEliteBlueHunter69X (filter) Because while I think HtS is scum, I still see a world where she is not. However this is like a 10% chance . Concerning WoS, he pretty much disappeared. Frustrated town or yolo scum, dunno. EBH - no clue. He made a very bluehunty post and I got told my first newbie game that this is a huge scum indicator. Cannot tell. I feel like a HtS town flip would make EBH being scum more likely, call it an obscure feeling if you will. I'm giving Oats a town lean. Not really sure, would rethink my lean on him if HtS does not flip scum. However, my world completely depends on HtS flipping. I don't like that. | ||
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On July 22 2015 03:51 Clarity_nl wrote: I said fuck you once and it was under an entirely different context, if you wanna hold that against me for your entire life that's your prerogative. For what it's worth I should not have said that. You are simply not willing to consider anything that contradicts what you've said to that point, it's been the only consistent thing about you this game. I'm not willing to vote rsoultin, hope she's scum, and push her as hard as I can just so you can lynch me the day after or the day after that. We can't have any mislynches regardless of us lynching scum. So these are my options: - Convince you you're wrong - Lynch you and hope you're scum Seeing as only of these is reasonable, there is no choice. Like I said I'm not really bothered at this point. The afk townies have been very demoralizing. I wish I had the energy to fight tooth and nail for the next 24h but I do not. No - you said "fuck you" in exactly the same context you're now saying I'm illogical - because of my argumentation and our dialogue when I changed on HF. Regarding the second bolded: I don't understand that. If we lynch rsoul and she flips town, why would people follow me in lynching you? So that leaves me that you don't wanna lynch her because of a "hope". Well if so, why are you willing to lynch me although you lean me town then? You said you'd lynch me because of a "hope", you even voted me! Why not rsoultin? I don't even want you to push her (go ahead if you want to), I actually want you to sheep me. Regarding mislynches: I think we have one mislynch left, don't we? 8 Players alive. 1 ML. 7 Players alive. 2 kills at night. 5 players alive. 1 Scum lynch 4 players alive 1 kill at night 3 Players alive. LYLO. ... | ||
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On July 22 2015 03:54 Clarity_nl wrote: The fact that you think the three most active players are all scum together speaks volumes. HtS' filter is shorter than Oats filter and I don't think Oats spammed a lot. Also if you're arguing with filters, why exactly did you lynch HF who had the biggest and most active filter of all? | ||
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On July 22 2015 03:59 Clarity_nl wrote: 6 town 3 scum, mislynch = 5 town 3 scum, 2 kp = ????? Ah right, all scum can carry KP. That makes it even more important to kill rsoul tonight. Why aren't you simply following that? | ||
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On July 22 2015 03:59 Clarity_nl wrote: If you lynch rsoul and she flips town we lose you dingus Stop ad hom. So would we do if we lynch anyone and he'd flip town. However I feel like it's really likely she'll flip scum. She was under pressure for reasons quite some days, she was the one pushing the lynch on Holyflare, thus killing a player who'd have been really dangerous for scum, she's experienced enough to know what a danger HF could've been, and ever since HF is dead, she's not nearly putting in as much effort although it's now even more important to kill scum! What's your problem with killing her?! | ||
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On July 22 2015 04:05 Clarity_nl wrote: OK apparently this is too hard for you to wrap your head around, so I'll explain it one more time. I don't think you're capable of changing your mind on me. I literally think you are incapable of that. That doesn't mean you're a bad person, or that you're dumb, but what it does mean is that town loses unless you are scum. I'd rather lose today than 120 hours from now. If we lynch rsoultin and she flips red we're still gonna be at mylo. If we then lynch trfel and he flips red we're still at mylo, and then you're still going to lynch me. I don't actually think you're scum, you literally just had another dumbtell regarding how scum kp works, but it doesn't matter. So you are saying the game is lost. If you end up with me in LYLO, you say I vote you, losing the game for town. If we lynch town today, it's lost. So all to hope for is that scum kills you or me, right? Your best shot of having a chance to win is then lynching rsoul and hope for a scum flip. And then hope for me changing my mind. Can you do this? Because if not, you'll probably be lynched today and if you flip town, we're losing. | ||
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That is a) a dumb town play or b) a freaking huge scum indicator. | ||
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On July 22 2015 04:13 Half the Sky wrote: Boxerfred are you reading the bloody thread? Breshke flipped on the day post. And he claimed and claim conditions whilst unusual made sense given his standing in the game (not widely townread, not as influential and not as great a threat as town). You are considering associations between myself and others. But they make zero sense because of what I did at EoD. What other than this fear read makes me Mafia? What prior to EoD day 5 made me Mafia? How are Ras and I on the same team when I failed to hammer EBH? Why is EBH Mafia besides his first post? You have so many questions to answer its not funny. Bolded part is simply wrong. I have that fear/meta read. I said multiple times I'm not sure. You're not even in discussion for a lynch right now so calm down. Please don't defend now for something that stayed the same since like 3 or 4 days because currently, my read on you actually is irrelevant to the current day. You failed to hammer EBH, that's true. At this point, 9 players were alive. Mislynch on EBH would've made it 8. KP 6. Scum down, 5. Night, 2 kills, 3 left, with 2 scum. That would have won the game for scum (if I'm correct this time). If I'm correct, the only world where you're scum would be a world where you failed to vote because of the reasons you stated, as scum. Whoa shit, that's really tinfoilhatty. Or am I wrong on my death calculation? | ||
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On July 22 2015 04:23 Clarity_nl wrote: Basically mislynching and nolynching were equal for town, so town lost information by nolynching. Also this again is an indicator for a scum hts. | ||
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On July 22 2015 04:28 Clarity_nl wrote: But I'm convinced hts is town for what it's worth. Would you give a list of alive people with your opinions on them? | ||
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On July 22 2015 04:30 Clarity_nl wrote: Nah, scum!hts would hammer a scumpartner in that situation (doesnt give town more lynches) and just ride towncred to victory. I believe she messed up on her phone and I believe it's alignment indicative -> she's town. Plenty of time to talk about this later. That's a great thought yo. | ||
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On July 23 2015 02:09 Clarity_nl wrote: Sorry my posts are so scattered. I don't think content is the word I would describe when it comes to my lynch. Given how ad hom you went on me and how emotional you got before it feels really strange how you seem to fade away now. | ||
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On July 23 2015 06:45 Half the Sky wrote: Boxerfred are you still here? What do you think? I'm here and I'm okay with a clarity lynch. There's always some tension I guess so if he flips town, we're fucked However his reactions thus far do not really make me change my opinion or my vote. | ||
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On July 23 2015 06:53 Half the Sky wrote: Me or Trfel? I assume you mean me. I am just getting nervous seeing the vote count and doing some last re-reading of filters. If we don't have enough, I'm just praying at this point I'm just mindfucking myself and that Clarity really is scum. If you're scum, do I get a shoutout postgame for the fear read? | ||
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On July 23 2015 06:55 boxerfred wrote: If you're scum, do I get a shoutout postgame for the fear read? Because that tone is exactly that fear read material | ||
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On July 23 2015 07:03 Clarity_nl wrote: Game was impossible for me after the nolynch. Ruxx played well I think. Honestly, WoS should have been modkilled :/ but maybe I'm just upset because he ended up being scum. wp guys. bf you need to listen to reason. there were like 0 cases all game with some exceptions from hf, this game wasn't reasonable anyways so i stuck with my hf sheep and yolo'ed. didn't enjoy the last games too much. | ||
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