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On July 11 2015 05:39 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 05:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 11 2015 05:33 marvellosity wrote:On July 11 2015 05:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 11 2015 05:28 marvellosity wrote:On July 11 2015 05:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 11 2015 05:22 marvellosity wrote:
sorry MZ, I actually harbour absolutely zero ill will towards you, i just want you to die :p I changed my mind, I want to get shot now just so I can gloat at how bad/wrong you are. I wouldn't mind you as a player marv but your ego is just impossible for me to deal with, always has been for me. i have 24 pages filter or something and i think the only egotistical thing i've said is that if i tunnel someone d1 they're usually mafia you should reconsider your read :p You're probably town, I wasn't scum reading you. You're a decent player just not as good as you think you are and I find your attitude abrasive sometimes. If you somehow think I'm a better vigi shot than wave vivax scott I really have no response because I don't understand how you think that. From tactical standpoint I think shooting me is terrible given what I've already outlined but like I said, now I kinda want to die bc it's gonna be hilarious watching you be wrong. you misunderstand. your egotistical read, not your town/mafia read. if i'm wrong i'll shrug and move on  Do you really actually think I'm a better shot than wave or vivax? Why? Literally the only reason you think I'm scum is that you didn't understand my read on milo/ritoky (which you now agree with). There's a quote in someone's sig somewhere. maybe bugs' sig, or maybe the sig is a quote from bugs. it's about the timings of being correct. something about being correct at the right and wrong times. and in this case the reasoning behind it. like sure i can be wrong on you, i just don't think i am. i think you'll flip red, and if you don't, it was an incorrect read on my part (obviously). i also personally think your push on Vivax/Wave is kinda shallow. It's a very typical "they're lazy = scum", it seems pretty unnuanced, it seems formulaic.
So if I'd come back to the thread five hours later when everyone had changed their minds than I'd be ok? Well I can't help I saw something before you did. If you're gonna kill for that then w/e.
My push on wave/vivax is because I think they're playing a typical lazy lurk scum game. They've had zero thread pressure except for vivax who suddenly showed up after HtS posted something. Besides I'm fairly confident that the cluster fuck of rousltin, HF, ruxxar, Harkon are all town which says to me that scum are playing a more lurky game. I was initially suspicious of clarity but he's had some pretty good posts since then so I've backed off of that.
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On July 11 2015 05:44 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 05:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 11 2015 05:39 marvellosity wrote:On July 11 2015 05:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 11 2015 05:33 marvellosity wrote:On July 11 2015 05:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 11 2015 05:28 marvellosity wrote:On July 11 2015 05:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 11 2015 05:22 marvellosity wrote:
sorry MZ, I actually harbour absolutely zero ill will towards you, i just want you to die :p I changed my mind, I want to get shot now just so I can gloat at how bad/wrong you are. I wouldn't mind you as a player marv but your ego is just impossible for me to deal with, always has been for me. i have 24 pages filter or something and i think the only egotistical thing i've said is that if i tunnel someone d1 they're usually mafia you should reconsider your read :p You're probably town, I wasn't scum reading you. You're a decent player just not as good as you think you are and I find your attitude abrasive sometimes. If you somehow think I'm a better vigi shot than wave vivax scott I really have no response because I don't understand how you think that. From tactical standpoint I think shooting me is terrible given what I've already outlined but like I said, now I kinda want to die bc it's gonna be hilarious watching you be wrong. you misunderstand. your egotistical read, not your town/mafia read. if i'm wrong i'll shrug and move on Do you really actually think I'm a better shot than wave or vivax? Why? Literally the only reason you think I'm scum is that you didn't understand my read on milo/ritoky (which you now agree with). There's a quote in someone's sig somewhere. maybe bugs' sig, or maybe the sig is a quote from bugs. it's about the timings of being correct. something about being correct at the right and wrong times. and in this case the reasoning behind it. like sure i can be wrong on you, i just don't think i am. i think you'll flip red, and if you don't, it was an incorrect read on my part (obviously). i also personally think your push on Vivax/Wave is kinda shallow. It's a very typical "they're lazy = scum", it seems pretty unnuanced, it seems formulaic. So if I'd come back to the thread five hours later when everyone had changed their minds than I'd be ok? Well I can't help I saw something before you did. If you're gonna kill for that then w/e. My push on wave/vivax is because I think they're playing a typical lazy lurk scum game. They've had zero thread pressure except for vivax who suddenly showed up after HtS posted something. Besides I'm fairly confident that the cluster fuck of rousltin, HF, ruxxar, Harkon are all town which says to me that scum are playing a more lurky game. I was initially suspicious of clarity but he's had some pretty good posts since then so I've backed off of that. This is not a matter of time/five hours. This is a matter of information. Like geripts claim.
It's really not. The posts I made my read on were available to everyone to read, if I had come back later and made my behavior analysis posts after everyone had changed sides I would have just blended in with the crowd. I saw something in milo's posts before other people did. Just read my filter.
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On July 11 2015 05:51 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 05:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 11 2015 05:44 Harkon wrote:On July 11 2015 05:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 11 2015 05:39 marvellosity wrote:On July 11 2015 05:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 11 2015 05:33 marvellosity wrote:On July 11 2015 05:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 11 2015 05:28 marvellosity wrote:On July 11 2015 05:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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I changed my mind, I want to get shot now just so I can gloat at how bad/wrong you are.
I wouldn't mind you as a player marv but your ego is just impossible for me to deal with, always has been for me. i have 24 pages filter or something and i think the only egotistical thing i've said is that if i tunnel someone d1 they're usually mafia you should reconsider your read :p You're probably town, I wasn't scum reading you. You're a decent player just not as good as you think you are and I find your attitude abrasive sometimes. If you somehow think I'm a better vigi shot than wave vivax scott I really have no response because I don't understand how you think that. From tactical standpoint I think shooting me is terrible given what I've already outlined but like I said, now I kinda want to die bc it's gonna be hilarious watching you be wrong. you misunderstand. your egotistical read, not your town/mafia read. if i'm wrong i'll shrug and move on Do you really actually think I'm a better shot than wave or vivax? Why? Literally the only reason you think I'm scum is that you didn't understand my read on milo/ritoky (which you now agree with). There's a quote in someone's sig somewhere. maybe bugs' sig, or maybe the sig is a quote from bugs. it's about the timings of being correct. something about being correct at the right and wrong times. and in this case the reasoning behind it. like sure i can be wrong on you, i just don't think i am. i think you'll flip red, and if you don't, it was an incorrect read on my part (obviously). i also personally think your push on Vivax/Wave is kinda shallow. It's a very typical "they're lazy = scum", it seems pretty unnuanced, it seems formulaic. So if I'd come back to the thread five hours later when everyone had changed their minds than I'd be ok? Well I can't help I saw something before you did. If you're gonna kill for that then w/e. My push on wave/vivax is because I think they're playing a typical lazy lurk scum game. They've had zero thread pressure except for vivax who suddenly showed up after HtS posted something. Besides I'm fairly confident that the cluster fuck of rousltin, HF, ruxxar, Harkon are all town which says to me that scum are playing a more lurky game. I was initially suspicious of clarity but he's had some pretty good posts since then so I've backed off of that. This is not a matter of time/five hours. This is a matter of information. Like geripts claim. It's really not. The posts I made my read on were available to everyone to read, if I had come back later and made my behavior analysis posts after everyone had changed sides I would have just blended in with the crowd. I saw something in milo's posts before other people did. Just read my filter. It really is. You made your analysis when the strong information that indicated milo is scum was not there yet. After it was there everyone else called him scum.
That sorta proves my point. I felt that milo's behavior was scummy to me. His behavior is actually pretty similar to what I've been calling out wave and vivax for. I also thought ritoky had a more believable claim.
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On July 11 2015 05:53 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 05:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 11 2015 05:44 Harkon wrote:On July 11 2015 05:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 11 2015 05:39 marvellosity wrote:On July 11 2015 05:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 11 2015 05:33 marvellosity wrote:On July 11 2015 05:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 11 2015 05:28 marvellosity wrote:On July 11 2015 05:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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I changed my mind, I want to get shot now just so I can gloat at how bad/wrong you are.
I wouldn't mind you as a player marv but your ego is just impossible for me to deal with, always has been for me. i have 24 pages filter or something and i think the only egotistical thing i've said is that if i tunnel someone d1 they're usually mafia you should reconsider your read :p You're probably town, I wasn't scum reading you. You're a decent player just not as good as you think you are and I find your attitude abrasive sometimes. If you somehow think I'm a better vigi shot than wave vivax scott I really have no response because I don't understand how you think that. From tactical standpoint I think shooting me is terrible given what I've already outlined but like I said, now I kinda want to die bc it's gonna be hilarious watching you be wrong. you misunderstand. your egotistical read, not your town/mafia read. if i'm wrong i'll shrug and move on Do you really actually think I'm a better shot than wave or vivax? Why? Literally the only reason you think I'm scum is that you didn't understand my read on milo/ritoky (which you now agree with). There's a quote in someone's sig somewhere. maybe bugs' sig, or maybe the sig is a quote from bugs. it's about the timings of being correct. something about being correct at the right and wrong times. and in this case the reasoning behind it. like sure i can be wrong on you, i just don't think i am. i think you'll flip red, and if you don't, it was an incorrect read on my part (obviously). i also personally think your push on Vivax/Wave is kinda shallow. It's a very typical "they're lazy = scum", it seems pretty unnuanced, it seems formulaic. So if I'd come back to the thread five hours later when everyone had changed their minds than I'd be ok? Well I can't help I saw something before you did. If you're gonna kill for that then w/e. My push on wave/vivax is because I think they're playing a typical lazy lurk scum game. They've had zero thread pressure except for vivax who suddenly showed up after HtS posted something. Besides I'm fairly confident that the cluster fuck of rousltin, HF, ruxxar, Harkon are all town which says to me that scum are playing a more lurky game. I was initially suspicious of clarity but he's had some pretty good posts since then so I've backed off of that. This is not a matter of time/five hours. This is a matter of information. Like geripts claim. It's really not. The posts I made my read on were available to everyone to read, if I had come back later and made my behavior analysis posts after everyone had changed sides I would have just blended in with the crowd. I saw something in milo's posts before other people did. Just read my filter. what do you think about scott?
I think he's red
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On July 11 2015 05:58 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 05:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 11 2015 05:53 KelsierSC wrote:On July 11 2015 05:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 11 2015 05:44 Harkon wrote:On July 11 2015 05:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 11 2015 05:39 marvellosity wrote:On July 11 2015 05:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 11 2015 05:33 marvellosity wrote:On July 11 2015 05:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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You're probably town, I wasn't scum reading you. You're a decent player just not as good as you think you are and I find your attitude abrasive sometimes.
If you somehow think I'm a better vigi shot than wave vivax scott I really have no response because I don't understand how you think that.
From tactical standpoint I think shooting me is terrible given what I've already outlined but like I said, now I kinda want to die bc it's gonna be hilarious watching you be wrong. you misunderstand. your egotistical read, not your town/mafia read. if i'm wrong i'll shrug and move on Do you really actually think I'm a better shot than wave or vivax? Why? Literally the only reason you think I'm scum is that you didn't understand my read on milo/ritoky (which you now agree with). There's a quote in someone's sig somewhere. maybe bugs' sig, or maybe the sig is a quote from bugs. it's about the timings of being correct. something about being correct at the right and wrong times. and in this case the reasoning behind it. like sure i can be wrong on you, i just don't think i am. i think you'll flip red, and if you don't, it was an incorrect read on my part (obviously). i also personally think your push on Vivax/Wave is kinda shallow. It's a very typical "they're lazy = scum", it seems pretty unnuanced, it seems formulaic. So if I'd come back to the thread five hours later when everyone had changed their minds than I'd be ok? Well I can't help I saw something before you did. If you're gonna kill for that then w/e. My push on wave/vivax is because I think they're playing a typical lazy lurk scum game. They've had zero thread pressure except for vivax who suddenly showed up after HtS posted something. Besides I'm fairly confident that the cluster fuck of rousltin, HF, ruxxar, Harkon are all town which says to me that scum are playing a more lurky game. I was initially suspicious of clarity but he's had some pretty good posts since then so I've backed off of that. This is not a matter of time/five hours. This is a matter of information. Like geripts claim. It's really not. The posts I made my read on were available to everyone to read, if I had come back later and made my behavior analysis posts after everyone had changed sides I would have just blended in with the crowd. I saw something in milo's posts before other people did. Just read my filter. what do you think about scott? I think he's red ok can you explain this read please.
Biggest problem for me was his actions around the BM lynch where he was so certain BM was gonna flip town but voted him anyway. If you think BM is town then vote for me. If you think we're both town with "98%" certainty then vote no lynch. No lynch isn't the end of the world if from your perspective both people or the person with the majority is town. Scott thought BM was town but let him die for the sake of having a lynch. That's a huge red flag in my book.
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On July 11 2015 06:00 ruXxar wrote:
@Vivax & MZ: what is your opinion of trfel at this point?
I had him as scum really early on but idk now. He's been pretty absent but not as bad as others have been so he's not really a top priority for me.
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On July 11 2015 06:16 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 06:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 11 2015 05:58 KelsierSC wrote:On July 11 2015 05:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 11 2015 05:53 KelsierSC wrote:On July 11 2015 05:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 11 2015 05:44 Harkon wrote:On July 11 2015 05:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 11 2015 05:39 marvellosity wrote:On July 11 2015 05:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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Do you really actually think I'm a better shot than wave or vivax? Why? Literally the only reason you think I'm scum is that you didn't understand my read on milo/ritoky (which you now agree with). There's a quote in someone's sig somewhere. maybe bugs' sig, or maybe the sig is a quote from bugs. it's about the timings of being correct. something about being correct at the right and wrong times. and in this case the reasoning behind it. like sure i can be wrong on you, i just don't think i am. i think you'll flip red, and if you don't, it was an incorrect read on my part (obviously). i also personally think your push on Vivax/Wave is kinda shallow. It's a very typical "they're lazy = scum", it seems pretty unnuanced, it seems formulaic. So if I'd come back to the thread five hours later when everyone had changed their minds than I'd be ok? Well I can't help I saw something before you did. If you're gonna kill for that then w/e. My push on wave/vivax is because I think they're playing a typical lazy lurk scum game. They've had zero thread pressure except for vivax who suddenly showed up after HtS posted something. Besides I'm fairly confident that the cluster fuck of rousltin, HF, ruxxar, Harkon are all town which says to me that scum are playing a more lurky game. I was initially suspicious of clarity but he's had some pretty good posts since then so I've backed off of that. This is not a matter of time/five hours. This is a matter of information. Like geripts claim. It's really not. The posts I made my read on were available to everyone to read, if I had come back later and made my behavior analysis posts after everyone had changed sides I would have just blended in with the crowd. I saw something in milo's posts before other people did. Just read my filter. what do you think about scott? I think he's red ok can you explain this read please. Biggest problem for me was his actions around the BM lynch where he was so certain BM was gonna flip town but voted him anyway. If you think BM is town then vote for me. If you think we're both town with "98%" certainty then vote no lynch. No lynch isn't the end of the world if from your perspective both people or the person with the majority is town. Scott thought BM was town but let him die for the sake of having a lynch. That's a huge red flag in my book. ok, so why do you want to lynch wave/vivax over him?
Because wave and vivax are doing that bullshit lurky scum play where they show up, pop off a few posts and then go back into hiding as long as the thread isn't discussing them. It's frustrating to watch, hell I've done it as scum before, it's very tempting just to hide when you're feeling off your game and a partner is getting hammered. Scott at the very least has been around and sort of contributed.
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Surprise surprise
BH is putting a shitton of flavor into these posts and I haven't been reading them. As someone who has hosted once or twice I feel bad lol.
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Geript and ritoky confirmed.
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On July 11 2015 07:42 Holyflare wrote:
Btw ls if you gave the gun to rsoul which you inevitably did because you're ls and she shoots anyone but mz (probably me) then you must promise to hunt her down as the mafia she is. MZ is incredibly likely mafia and she's been posturing hardcore to use it on me as an "oh whoops" situation.
Sigh. Just repeating what marv says over and over again doesn't make it true. Think for yourself.
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On July 11 2015 07:48 geript wrote:
Let me repeat myself once more. IF YOU FUCKS EVER LYNCH WAVEOFSHADOW, THEN I SWEAR TO GOD I WILL CLIMB OUT OF MY GRAVE AND CHOKE EACH OF YOU PERSONALLY TO DEATH. I'd strongly prefer you never lynch Breshke either. He's highly likely to be town.
Sidenote: I'm having some minor second thoughts about Marv. I'd lynch him before I would HF, but I wouldn't lynch either until lylo I think. I'll make a big post tomorrow.
Tldr
Shoot MZ
Then lynch into Vivax/milo
Why why why is wave so goddamn confirmed town for you?
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On July 11 2015 07:51 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 07:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 11 2015 07:48 geript wrote:
Let me repeat myself once more. IF YOU FUCKS EVER LYNCH WAVEOFSHADOW, THEN I SWEAR TO GOD I WILL CLIMB OUT OF MY GRAVE AND CHOKE EACH OF YOU PERSONALLY TO DEATH. I'd strongly prefer you never lynch Breshke either. He's highly likely to be town.
Sidenote: I'm having some minor second thoughts about Marv. I'd lynch him before I would HF, but I wouldn't lynch either until lylo I think. I'll make a big post tomorrow.
Tldr
Shoot MZ
Then lynch into Vivax/milo Why why why is wave so goddamn confirmed town for you? It's a meta read by Geript since Geript can tell the difference between Waveofshadow and Waveofscum.
Yes indeed I gathered as much. However town wave looks much different than this in my experience. I'm trying to understand geripts meta read.
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I wasn't in the last game with wave so I wouldn't know. Damdred's filter, while a very interesting read, didn't really sway me one way or another on wave. However if there are multiple people stepping up to meta defend wave I guess we can work through vivax and Scott first.
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^aimed at both geript and HF
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On July 11 2015 08:13 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 08:10 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I wasn't in the last game with wave so I wouldn't know. Damdred's filter, while a very interesting read, didn't really sway me one way or another on wave. However if there are multiple people stepping up to meta defend wave I guess we can work through vivax and Scott first. I town read scott kinda. And sort of vivax too lololol
Ok work with me HF. Pretend for five seconds I'm town and let me hear your scum reads. I've been pretty consistent with the people I've been pushing but I'm always open to other ideas.
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If you kill me bc marv said so I'll be pretty sad for your inability to think for yourself.
That said, people who are waffling on milo need to remember that he tried to get lynched in place of damdred. Like what motive does town have to get lynched in front of someone if they know their own innocence? It's why I eventually voted BM d1. It screams an attempt by scum to save their rb.
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On July 12 2015 03:27 Harkon wrote:
Oh, don't worry. We are lynching milo tomorrow.
So how am I more confirmed scum than milo?
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On July 12 2015 03:33 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2015 03:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 12 2015 03:27 Harkon wrote:
Oh, don't worry. We are lynching milo tomorrow. So how am I more confirmed scum than milo? Meta bro meta op.
Dude you've never played with me, just bc marv tells you something doesn't mean he's right. If you pay attention to the PYP lol filter you'll realize the difference between the two.
The only person I've been remotely aggressive with this game is marv. PYP lol as well as other scum games I just fling shit everywhere. But then again I hate meta reads bc of wifom.
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On July 12 2015 03:45 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2015 03:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 12 2015 03:33 LightningStrike wrote:On July 12 2015 03:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 12 2015 03:27 Harkon wrote:
Oh, don't worry. We are lynching milo tomorrow. So how am I more confirmed scum than milo? Meta bro meta op. Dude you've never played with me, just bc marv tells you something doesn't mean he's right. If you pay attention to the PYP lol filter you'll realize the difference between the two. The only person I've been remotely aggressive with this game is marv. PYP lol as well as other scum games I just fling shit everywhere. But then again I hate meta reads bc of wifom. Rolf JAT and Marv said to check PYP League of Legends and here is some good gold from page 2 of your filter there: Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 15:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On December 02 2013 15:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How is this so hard MZ? Tell me how VE is helping the town. Where is he transparent and contributing to proving his towniness? Can you actually quote some posts of his and tell how they help the town instead of giving a textbook town qualities and say "VE fits into the category of people who do these things"? Did you actually read what I wrote? Everyone acts "townie" slightly differently. In VE's case that is characterized by not very thought out posts, chain of conscious type posts, frustration and aggression when people call him scum, and genuine attempts at analysis. All of which are in this game. I'm not gonna go back and quote his entire post history. Forget for a second that he called you an annoying jerk-off and reread what he's written and tell me where the scum agenda is. Another quote from this game towards confirm town Geript: Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 04:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 10 2015 04:08 geript wrote:
Either way I'm going to say this right now because I feel really strong about this.
NEVER FUCKING LYNCH WAVEOFSHADOW!!!!!! Seriously. IDK what it is and I can't explain it at all quite yet. But I will hate you forever if you lynch him. And I didn't feel super safe about him last game at all.
Maybe never lynch Holyflare. At best, I'd only consider him in Mylo (given milo/damdred/MZ). And even then I'm not sure I would. I'd have to think about a lot of things. But I had a strong townread on him early and I'm really struggling with a reason to exchange that in any way right now. wave has literally all the trappings of an apathetic who's had a couple team members caught in the last day. Also Palmar had him on a scum list and I'm always inclined to give weight to dead Palmar's reads. I agree lynching HF is a terrible idea though. Very similar tone in each of these quotes.
I'm not really sure I see what you're getting at tbh.
Just because geript is town doesn't mean his reads are automatically right. I'm not calling him scum just disagreeing with his wave read. In fact I don't really understand what point you were trying to prove by posting those two quotes.
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On July 12 2015 03:46 LightningStrike wrote:BTW here is the gif describing Us vs MZ atm: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/IKhl1xu.gif)
You do realize I haven't called my accusers scum right?
In fact I share scum reads with most of the people who think I'm scum (obviously I'm just bussing my entire team).
I've called marv bad because his play frustrates me but not scum
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