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On July 23 2015 02:17 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2015 02:11 rsoultin wrote:On July 23 2015 02:08 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 23 2015 02:06 rsoultin wrote:
I don't see how you can possibly think i'm scum with wave when he hammered me last phase and the only reason I wasn't lynched was breshke switched off
I don't see how you're sitting here on your hands when both of your worlds have wave and truffle as scum. Like, according to your logic the only reason to stay on me is association that doesn't even work that well and you and one of your scumreads are the only ones voting me. Why aren't you trying to get wave or truffle lynched?
For being "town" you are far too content to do basically nothing this cycle. There's nothing preventing you from starting a new wagon on someone you're more convinced is scum, but you're not last phase wasnt lylo. And? Are you reading ebh scum? Cause otherwise this is retarded ^^ So mafia could bus for cred.
why? yes this is true, but why when mafia can get a mislynch and preserve 2kp for at least two more cycles?
it's moot anyway because i'm town -_-
look, clarity, if you've got a good reason i'll consider it? I know not infallible, but thus far all you've really said is his activity picked up when you had him in your scumreads? so? why couldn't he do that as town? why is it scummy now but him still not doing much early game despite the.scumreads not being considered?
you said he didn't have a town mindset...which posts are you talking about?
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On July 23 2015 02:38 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2015 02:17 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 23 2015 02:11 rsoultin wrote:On July 23 2015 02:08 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 23 2015 02:06 rsoultin wrote:
I don't see how you can possibly think i'm scum with wave when he hammered me last phase and the only reason I wasn't lynched was breshke switched off
I don't see how you're sitting here on your hands when both of your worlds have wave and truffle as scum. Like, according to your logic the only reason to stay on me is association that doesn't even work that well and you and one of your scumreads are the only ones voting me. Why aren't you trying to get wave or truffle lynched?
For being "town" you are far too content to do basically nothing this cycle. There's nothing preventing you from starting a new wagon on someone you're more convinced is scum, but you're not last phase wasnt lylo. And? Are you reading ebh scum? Cause otherwise this is retarded ^^ So mafia could bus for cred. why? yes this is true, but why when mafia can get a mislynch and preserve 2kp for at least two more cycles? it's moot anyway because i'm town -_- look, clarity, if you've got a good reason i'll consider it? I know not infallible, but thus far all you've really said is his activity picked up when you had him in your scumreads? so? why couldn't he do that as town? why is it scummy now but him still not doing much early game despite the.scumreads not being considered? you said he didn't have a town mindset...which posts are you talking about?
they have 2 kp until they are down to 1 player right?
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On July 23 2015 02:33 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2015 02:30 Trfel wrote:On July 23 2015 02:21 ruXxar wrote:
What's bothering me about trfel is the fact that he was the only one that pointed out that scum would be content with a no-lynch. And then I think : "Why would scum say something that incriminates himself" and of course they wouldn't, except for the fact that since scum wouldn't say that, we think he's town.
So it turns into wifom city and I can't really use it to determine alignments either way.
It's just that I can't step away from the thought that the natural reaction for scum is to lynch town.
Like, if I was to list the people I think are smart enough to reason out the line of thinking that a no-lynch is prefered over a mis-lynch it's basically only Trfel and WoS amongst all the people here.(no offense to the rest)
Also the trfel / rsoultin association has been so strong for so long.
I think that a Rsoultin / wos / trfel team is not out of the question. It fits pretty well to be honest.
My only resistance is the fact that wave hammered rsoultin and also risked rsoultin getting hammered by town when she was left with 5 votes all day, which makes a wave / rsoultin team look very unlikely :/ There were so many discussions over the number of lynches and potentially no-lynching in the thread, I'm positive that the mafia figured it out. When I played as mafia, I always wanted to know how many more mislynches I needed (so I could know when I could stop playing). RuXxar, can you please stop making association reads and assumptions and make your reads primarily based on whether or not their play fits a mafia motivation? I already did that, read my last big post. But you didn't actually explain how you arrived at the reads you arrived at.
Why is boxerfred town? Why is Oatsmaster town? Why do you say I'm not scum with Clarity_nl, and then in one of your two scum teams have me as scum with Clarity_nl? Why those specific teams/worlds? And unflipped association reads are generally very bad.
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On July 23 2015 02:38 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2015 02:17 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 23 2015 02:11 rsoultin wrote:On July 23 2015 02:08 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 23 2015 02:06 rsoultin wrote:
I don't see how you can possibly think i'm scum with wave when he hammered me last phase and the only reason I wasn't lynched was breshke switched off
I don't see how you're sitting here on your hands when both of your worlds have wave and truffle as scum. Like, according to your logic the only reason to stay on me is association that doesn't even work that well and you and one of your scumreads are the only ones voting me. Why aren't you trying to get wave or truffle lynched?
For being "town" you are far too content to do basically nothing this cycle. There's nothing preventing you from starting a new wagon on someone you're more convinced is scum, but you're not last phase wasnt lylo. And? Are you reading ebh scum? Cause otherwise this is retarded ^^ So mafia could bus for cred. why? yes this is true, but why when mafia can get a mislynch and preserve 2kp for at least two more cycles? it's moot anyway because i'm town -_- look, clarity, if you've got a good reason i'll consider it? I know not infallible, but thus far all you've really said is his activity picked up when you had him in your scumreads? so? why couldn't he do that as town? why is it scummy now but him still not doing much early game despite the.scumreads not being considered? you said he didn't have a town mindset...which posts are you talking about?
All of them. Like read his filter and tell me where it appears he is thinking about the game or changing his mind based on new information.
Look rsoultin either you're town and you'll figure it out or you're not and congrats you won, you should probably just stop posting either way. If you're town and as competent as you appear to be you should be able to figure out that I'm town.
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On July 23 2015 02:36 ruXxar wrote:
Like I already said before to clarity, at this point I'm not going to vote for people unless I can fit them into a world of three.
Just lynching the scummiest person is not going to win you the game. I've seen enough times how the towniest looking people are actually scum.
I'm trying to be as logical as I can about this and try to not let emotions get in the way of my decisions here. On the contrary, lynching the scummiest people WILL win you the game, and that is the best way to do it.
The key is how you use the word "scummy". Some things are commonly called "scummy", such as being inactive, making bad posts, making bad reads, having logic gaps, and lots of things that are objectively bad play. However, these things don't necessarily make someone scum.
If you simply lynch the objectively "worse" players, who are playing objectively "worse", you will probably lose the game. But if you lynch based on mafia motivation and reads which are truly alignment indicative, lynching the "scummiest" players (by these standards) is a thousand times better than using unflipped associations.
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we need all the townies on this btw.
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On July 23 2015 02:43 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2015 02:36 ruXxar wrote:
Like I already said before to clarity, at this point I'm not going to vote for people unless I can fit them into a world of three.
Just lynching the scummiest person is not going to win you the game. I've seen enough times how the towniest looking people are actually scum.
I'm trying to be as logical as I can about this and try to not let emotions get in the way of my decisions here. On the contrary, lynching the scummiest people WILL win you the game, and that is the best way to do it. The key is how you use the word "scummy". Some things are commonly called "scummy", such as being inactive, making bad posts, making bad reads, having logic gaps, and lots of things that are objectively bad play. However, these things don't necessarily make someone scum. If you simply lynch the objectively "worse" players, who are playing objectively "worse", you will probably lose the game. But if you lynch based on mafia motivation and reads which are truly alignment indicative, lynching the "scummiest" players (by these standards) is a thousand times better than using unflipped associations.
is rux mafia?
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Lol the you're too good for this argument. Nice one clarity. I'll look at his filter if I have time after class, but you'd do better to pull specific posts and explain why that's not a town thought process. No scum player has a filter full entirely of scummy posts that's ridiculous
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On July 23 2015 02:40 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2015 02:38 rsoultin wrote:On July 23 2015 02:17 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 23 2015 02:11 rsoultin wrote:On July 23 2015 02:08 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 23 2015 02:06 rsoultin wrote:
I don't see how you can possibly think i'm scum with wave when he hammered me last phase and the only reason I wasn't lynched was breshke switched off
I don't see how you're sitting here on your hands when both of your worlds have wave and truffle as scum. Like, according to your logic the only reason to stay on me is association that doesn't even work that well and you and one of your scumreads are the only ones voting me. Why aren't you trying to get wave or truffle lynched?
For being "town" you are far too content to do basically nothing this cycle. There's nothing preventing you from starting a new wagon on someone you're more convinced is scum, but you're not last phase wasnt lylo. And? Are you reading ebh scum? Cause otherwise this is retarded ^^ So mafia could bus for cred. why? yes this is true, but why when mafia can get a mislynch and preserve 2kp for at least two more cycles? it's moot anyway because i'm town -_- look, clarity, if you've got a good reason i'll consider it? I know not infallible, but thus far all you've really said is his activity picked up when you had him in your scumreads? so? why couldn't he do that as town? why is it scummy now but him still not doing much early game despite the.scumreads not being considered? you said he didn't have a town mindset...which posts are you talking about? All of them. Like read his filter and tell me where it appears he is thinking about the game or changing his mind based on new information. Look rsoultin either you're town and you'll figure it out or you're not and congrats you won, you should probably just stop posting either way. If you're town and as competent as you appear to be you should be able to figure out that I'm town. How about the part where you said I wasn't all that scummy, but had to be scum due to POE?
Clarity_nl's filter is riddled with inconsistencies like this.
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On July 23 2015 02:45 rsoultin wrote:
Lol the you're too good for this argument. Nice one clarity. I'll look at his filter if I have time after class, but you'd do better to pull specific posts and explain why that's not a town thought process. No scum player has a filter full entirely of scummy posts that's ridiculous
It's not the specific scummy post, it's the lack of a townie thought process. But yeah I'll pull up some posts for you in a bit when I have a 5 min break 
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On July 23 2015 02:45 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2015 02:43 Trfel wrote:On July 23 2015 02:36 ruXxar wrote:
Like I already said before to clarity, at this point I'm not going to vote for people unless I can fit them into a world of three.
Just lynching the scummiest person is not going to win you the game. I've seen enough times how the towniest looking people are actually scum.
I'm trying to be as logical as I can about this and try to not let emotions get in the way of my decisions here. On the contrary, lynching the scummiest people WILL win you the game, and that is the best way to do it. The key is how you use the word "scummy". Some things are commonly called "scummy", such as being inactive, making bad posts, making bad reads, having logic gaps, and lots of things that are objectively bad play. However, these things don't necessarily make someone scum. If you simply lynch the objectively "worse" players, who are playing objectively "worse", you will probably lose the game. But if you lynch based on mafia motivation and reads which are truly alignment indicative, lynching the "scummiest" players (by these standards) is a thousand times better than using unflipped associations. is rux mafia? At the moment, I don't really think so, but I keep going back on forth on him.On July 23 2015 02:36 ruXxar wrote:
Like I already said before to clarity, at this point I'm not going to vote for people unless I can fit them into a world of three.
Just lynching the scummiest person is not going to win you the game. I've seen enough times how the towniest looking people are actually scum.
I'm trying to be as logical as I can about this and try to not let emotions get in the way of my decisions here. This post suggests how his play could come from town.
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On July 23 2015 02:46 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2015 02:40 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 23 2015 02:38 rsoultin wrote:On July 23 2015 02:17 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 23 2015 02:11 rsoultin wrote:On July 23 2015 02:08 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 23 2015 02:06 rsoultin wrote:
I don't see how you can possibly think i'm scum with wave when he hammered me last phase and the only reason I wasn't lynched was breshke switched off
I don't see how you're sitting here on your hands when both of your worlds have wave and truffle as scum. Like, according to your logic the only reason to stay on me is association that doesn't even work that well and you and one of your scumreads are the only ones voting me. Why aren't you trying to get wave or truffle lynched?
For being "town" you are far too content to do basically nothing this cycle. There's nothing preventing you from starting a new wagon on someone you're more convinced is scum, but you're not last phase wasnt lylo. And? Are you reading ebh scum? Cause otherwise this is retarded ^^ So mafia could bus for cred. why? yes this is true, but why when mafia can get a mislynch and preserve 2kp for at least two more cycles? it's moot anyway because i'm town -_- look, clarity, if you've got a good reason i'll consider it? I know not infallible, but thus far all you've really said is his activity picked up when you had him in your scumreads? so? why couldn't he do that as town? why is it scummy now but him still not doing much early game despite the.scumreads not being considered? you said he didn't have a town mindset...which posts are you talking about? All of them. Like read his filter and tell me where it appears he is thinking about the game or changing his mind based on new information. Look rsoultin either you're town and you'll figure it out or you're not and congrats you won, you should probably just stop posting either way. If you're town and as competent as you appear to be you should be able to figure out that I'm town. How about the part where you said I wasn't all that scummy, but had to be scum due to POE? Clarity_nl's filter is riddled with inconsistencies like this.
Changing my mind != inconsistencies. Although I'd love you to quote the post where I say you're not scummy. I've basically been sheeping rsoultin's read regarding you, but things are different at this point as it appears you've read the whole game and still have nothing to say.
Also inconsistencies != scummy, but it's okay
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On July 23 2015 02:43 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2015 02:36 ruXxar wrote:
Like I already said before to clarity, at this point I'm not going to vote for people unless I can fit them into a world of three.
Just lynching the scummiest person is not going to win you the game. I've seen enough times how the towniest looking people are actually scum.
I'm trying to be as logical as I can about this and try to not let emotions get in the way of my decisions here. On the contrary, lynching the scummiest people WILL win you the game, and that is the best way to do it. The key is how you use the word "scummy". Some things are commonly called "scummy", such as being inactive, making bad posts, making bad reads, having logic gaps, and lots of things that are objectively bad play. However, these things don't necessarily make someone scum. If you simply lynch the objectively "worse" players, who are playing objectively "worse", you will probably lose the game. But if you lynch based on mafia motivation and reads which are truly alignment indicative, lynching the "scummiest" players (by these standards) is a thousand times better than using unflipped associations.
I couldn't agree more.
It's about what people define as scummy and I've tried to challenge this idiom a couple times because people just try to look at who plays the most anti-town and define that as scummy play, when anti-town and mafia motivated are two completely different things.
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On July 19 2015 10:16 Clarity_nl wrote:EBWOP Show nested quote +Earlier I've townread rsoultin for hinting at Trfel's irl issues, which I find hard to believe if rsoultin is scum and trfel is town. I also found it hard to believe if they're both scum, but perhaps I should ignore that and look more closely. I think if rsoultin is scum that makes trfel scum as well. This is because I believe as scum rsoultin would feel bad about using info she has irl to make her fake reads ingame. However if they are both scum she would not feel this way. As town you can't really help it, and she did what appears to be her best to not mention it outright in thread On July 19 2015 10:30 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2015 10:28 Half the Sky wrote:
The read I don't understand is BF. His town game is very poor in general because he has has zero town coaching in newbie game. His only newbie he was scum. Ras seems to have gotten her read on him from nsm10 so I need to read that filter again. I thought he was town here but apparently the too scum to be scum applied in the game he was actually scum.
This game the number of scum thing he didn't know but I don't recall him acting THAT dumb in nsm10.
His read on me is a fear read which is NAI, but complete understandable from a town perspective.
You are POEing Trfel regardless of DMA? Yeah pretty much. I have to be wrong somewhere and I think it's much more likely to be trfel than WoS. WoS is actively not giving a shit by being actually afk. Trfel on the other hand shows up sometimes and does nothing. bf is the same story. Basically I ended up with too many townreads after the breshke/OWS thing, which means either this is some brilliant move by scum!Breshke (which I doubt very highly) or I'm wrong somewhere. Clarity_nl's read on me changed because it's possible that I could be mafia with rsoultin, and because of POE.
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SO EXCITING.
trfel please, thats not an inconsistence.
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On July 23 2015 03:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
SO EXCITING.
trfel please, thats not an inconsistence.
It's not really an inconsistency.
But it is Clarity_nl manipulating his reads/thoughts to his advantage based on a changing situation.
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On July 23 2015 03:03 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2015 03:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
SO EXCITING.
trfel please, thats not an inconsistence.
It's not really an inconsistency. But it is Clarity_nl manipulating his reads/thoughts to his advantage based on a changing situation.
how do you tell the difference between manipulating his reads and genuinely changing his mind? Do you think that the situation was not reasonable for clarity to change his mind?
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On July 23 2015 03:05 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2015 03:03 Trfel wrote:On July 23 2015 03:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
SO EXCITING.
trfel please, thats not an inconsistence.
It's not really an inconsistency. But it is Clarity_nl manipulating his reads/thoughts to his advantage based on a changing situation. how do you tell the difference between manipulating his reads and genuinely changing his mind? Do you think that the situation was not reasonable for clarity to change his mind? Based on all of the examples I found, no, I don't.
I can understand it when it's one, or two, or three. But not when there are so many more, and not when they always seem to benefit Clarity_nl.
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On July 23 2015 03:09 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2015 03:05 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 23 2015 03:03 Trfel wrote:On July 23 2015 03:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
SO EXCITING.
trfel please, thats not an inconsistence.
It's not really an inconsistency. But it is Clarity_nl manipulating his reads/thoughts to his advantage based on a changing situation. how do you tell the difference between manipulating his reads and genuinely changing his mind? Do you think that the situation was not reasonable for clarity to change his mind? Based on all of the examples I found, no, I don't. I can understand it when it's one, or two, or three. But not when there are so many more, and not when they always seem to benefit Clarity_nl.
Yes, I do appear to be in quite the beneficial situation.
Please tell me how what I've done has benefited me in the slightest :D
#vote trfel
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