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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 22 2015 18:46 GMT
#8601
On July 23 2015 03:42 Half the Sky wrote:
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On July 23 2015 03:37 Clarity_nl wrote:
Dude I'm already being lynched. The point is not whether you can create a point in 30 minutes, the point is that you say "clarity has done X multiple times", and when asked "when" you go "give me 30 minutes" which might as well translate to:

I was just saying things, I did not know they had to be true


Trfel is a case-based poster, not conversational, he would do this as either alignment. From my own experience he's done it as town.


Okay here's the thing, the lynch on me is practically locked, kinda, right? Like it's gonna be hard to not lynch me.
Here comes trfel, giving entirely different reasons than anyone else for why I'm scum, but when asked he can't back it up, even from memory he should be able to go "I remember something along the lines of X happening".

But he can't, this is because he made up the reasons. Why would town do this? Town would not do this.

So either you believe that trfel is scum and he is bussing me, or you believe trfel is scum and he made a huge mistake by posting anything at all. What I don't see is how you could believe that trfel is town doing this.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 22 2015 19:00 GMT
#8602
Clarity_nl

1. Changing stance on first few posts of the game (no idea how to phrase this)
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On July 06 2015 07:20 Clarity_nl wrote:
Hype! And already information.


Holyflare claiming VT is interesting. Doesn't seem something scum would do or think of this quickly after PMs went out/daypost went up.


Not lynching him today.
On July 06 2015 07:22 Clarity_nl wrote:
PS me and holyflare can't both be scum, discuss.
This isn't a terribly useful read, it's just something done at the start of the game to get the discussion started.
On July 06 2015 08:33 Clarity_nl wrote:
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On July 06 2015 08:30 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:28 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:26 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:24 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:23 rsoultin wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:19 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:16 KelsierSC wrote:
[quote]

do you have anymore town?



Don't really see the point in giving a ton of townreads, but no, no strong reads.


ok, it just confuses me because you gave a townread on hf after 1 post, then you haven't established reads on other people. I suppose if you haven't played with hf then maybe you can meta out a reason but it feels inconsistent.

what is the answer to your hf and I (grammar) can't be scum?


I said we can't both be scum

Seems like a really weird thing for two scum to do early on, no? I just realized it after I made my first post and figured it's a good way to start talking about something useful.


-squints at-

lol you do realize how little sense this actually makes, right?



You're replying a lot to me rsoultin but saying very little.

I think it makes sense. If HF and me are both scum, I feel we would basically never have that interaction a few minutes into day 1. Do you disagree?


what do you mean by interaction though

you called hf town and then you reference how because of this "interaction" you cant both be scum



OK I want to move past this as it's not really worth spending a lot of time on.


If me and HF both roll scum, and HF enters the game going "Lol I thought I rolled cop but it's just the VT flavor" do you think I, as scum, would call my scum partner "totes town not lynching today"?


What do you think of rsoultin? Specifically the way she's replied to me.


well...i feel like if you hadn't brusied the back of my throat with it then i might have made that analysis myself.
but now it just tastes like pre....
well it just tastes bad you know.



That's fine, just don't lynch HF or myself today and reevaluate tomorrow. Moving on.
Earlier, Clarity_nl said that the first few posts thing wasn't important; it wouldn't have a big effect on the game, and he didn't really care if other people agreed with his townread of Holyflare or not. Suddenly here, he says that it is a reason for himself to not be lynched on Day 1. This is a very sudden change, given that he earlier said things like "if you disagree with my town lean on Holyflare I could see why" and "I want to move past this, it's not worth discussing this much". His implication changed from something only he would follow to something he expected everyone else to follow as well.
On July 06 2015 08:43 Clarity_nl wrote:
I gave out a townread super early because I wanted to get the game started
He keeps changing his reasons for his first few posts of the game and his townread on Holyflare.

It feels like Clarity_nl became the first suspected person in the thread, and reacted by scrambling instead. He spent a lot of time talking to people about things he said didn't matter very much, and where only to have something to discuss at the start of the game. But when prompted, he also insisted on having somewhat strong townreads (specifically, enough reason not to lynch on Day 1) Holyflare and himself. He's trying to show that what he did was both important and unimportant, whatever will help him not get scumread at that moment.

2. Has a strong townread on scott31337 for no reason
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On July 06 2015 08:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
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On July 06 2015 08:16 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:12 KelsierSC wrote:
Clarity do you have any other reads so far?



I think geript probably wouldn't just vote and then ignore me as scum, so there's that.

trfl's first post to me is totally null, either alignment could start by saying they will only be active at certain times

Don't really have anyone I want to lynch yet


do you have anymore town?



Don't really see the point in giving a ton of townreads, but no, no strong reads.
On July 06 2015 18:40 Clarity_nl wrote:
Trfl I was distinctly null but your last post:

[...]

Then you post your "most suspicious" list which includes two people [scott31337 and Holyflare] I'm very happy to call town [...]
So, Clarity_nl has a strong enough townread on scott31337 that he's willing to use my different read as a basis to scumread me.

In between these two posts, here are the posts that scott31337 made:
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On July 06 2015 08:51 scott31337 wrote:
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On July 06 2015 08:34 Holyflare wrote:
On July 06 2015 07:39 marvellosity wrote:
oh hey


dis guy too.....


What do you think about Obi's shit vote? It leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but would he really try that as scum?

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On July 06 2015 08:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Holyflare might be mafia for thinking that Marv is mafia.

My vote is serious now.


Marv only has this one post. Marv isn't looking good and we know how much he loves rolling mafia. Marv looks worse than HF right now. hmmm
On July 06 2015 09:25 scott31337 wrote:
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On July 06 2015 09:03 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:51 scott31337 wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:34 Holyflare wrote:
On July 06 2015 07:39 marvellosity wrote:
oh hey


dis guy too.....


What do you think about Obi's shit vote? It leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but would he really try that as scum?

On July 06 2015 08:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Holyflare might be mafia for thinking that Marv is mafia.

My vote is serious now.


Marv only has this one post. Marv isn't looking good and we know how much he loves rolling mafia. Marv looks worse than HF right now. hmmm


what?


What are you unsure of? I didn't care for his vote, although he does explain it decently here -

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On July 06 2015 09:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:51 scott31337 wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:34 Holyflare wrote:
On July 06 2015 07:39 marvellosity wrote:
oh hey


dis guy too.....


What do you think about Obi's shit vote? It leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but would he really try that as scum?

On July 06 2015 08:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Holyflare might be mafia for thinking that Marv is mafia.

My vote is serious now.


Marv only has this one post. Marv isn't looking good and we know how much he loves rolling mafia. Marv looks worse than HF right now. hmmm


This seems like a major overreaction tbh.
Why are you so pissy about my vote?

Honestly marv doesn't really look like anything, but Hf calling him out when nothing has happened seems a bit out of the ordinary. I'd imagine town!Hf wouldn't even care about Marv at all considering what an easily-resolved player he is.


And I'm not pissy - I just called it a shit vote because, well, it is.

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On July 06 2015 09:16 KelsierSC wrote:
scptt fuck you


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On July 06 2015 09:36 scott31337 wrote:
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On July 06 2015 09:27 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 06 2015 09:25 scott31337 wrote:
On July 06 2015 09:03 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:51 scott31337 wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:34 Holyflare wrote:
On July 06 2015 07:39 marvellosity wrote:
oh hey


dis guy too.....


What do you think about Obi's shit vote? It leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but would he really try that as scum?

On July 06 2015 08:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Holyflare might be mafia for thinking that Marv is mafia.

My vote is serious now.


Marv only has this one post. Marv isn't looking good and we know how much he loves rolling mafia. Marv looks worse than HF right now. hmmm


what?


What are you unsure of? I didn't care for his vote, although he does explain it decently here -

On July 06 2015 09:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:51 scott31337 wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:34 Holyflare wrote:
On July 06 2015 07:39 marvellosity wrote:
oh hey


dis guy too.....


What do you think about Obi's shit vote? It leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but would he really try that as scum?

On July 06 2015 08:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Holyflare might be mafia for thinking that Marv is mafia.

My vote is serious now.


Marv only has this one post. Marv isn't looking good and we know how much he loves rolling mafia. Marv looks worse than HF right now. hmmm


This seems like a major overreaction tbh.
Why are you so pissy about my vote?

Honestly marv doesn't really look like anything, but Hf calling him out when nothing has happened seems a bit out of the ordinary. I'd imagine town!Hf wouldn't even care about Marv at all considering what an easily-resolved player he is.


And I'm not pissy - I just called it a shit vote because, well, it is.

On July 06 2015 09:16 KelsierSC wrote:
scptt fuck you


[image loading]


i don't remember

you dont like hf

but uou like ,marv?

???
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No, you misunderstood here. Marv usually does a bit more as town then his one post - he's probably waiting for his buddy Palmar - they love to interact - I'm not caring for Marv. HF has a slight townlean for now, I liked his first post (although it could have been pre-made, I had a mindmeld with it)
On July 06 2015 11:40 scott31337 wrote:
You are actually going to have to be towny this game milo - BH will modkill you if you try that unvote cred in his game.
On July 06 2015 15:05 scott31337 wrote:
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On July 06 2015 14:51 Trfel wrote:
Hi!

What's up?


What reads do you have so far? What's interested you so far?

Nothing at all warranting a serious read change. Clarity_nl's townread of scott31337 is primarily motivated by being able to use it to scumread me (Trfel).

3. Changing read on rsoultin
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On July 06 2015 08:43 Clarity_nl wrote:
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On July 06 2015 08:38 Damdred wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:35 KelsierSC wrote:
Damdred why is rsoul town

do work


It's a bit of a gut/tone read I have going on her. Her little spat with clarity she was a bit of a pita and her not hostility but uhhh exaggeration makes me feel it's town rd, plus the follow up makes me feel it



I felt the opposite because she was basically just poking at my posts but not trying to get anywhere, is this a meta thing you're talking about? Soft-pushing is pretty much scum101. Not that I'm convinced either way, which is why I asked for thoughts on her, ruxxar replied strangely enough.
On July 06 2015 23:24 Clarity_nl wrote:
Kelsier's efforts are clearly townie to me. I like where this Rsoultin thing is going, I put it in the back of my mind because someone pointed out her softpushing me early is her town meta. Her reads are also the opposite of mine.
On July 07 2015 03:27 Clarity_nl wrote:
PS Rsoultin sounding pretty town though I can't quite put my finger on why
Four hours and three minutes in between these last two posts.

Here are rsoultin's posts from that time period.
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On July 06 2015 23:27 rsoultin wrote:
Soft push plus i'm "flustering" you? Lol cute ruxx

Not your first awkwardly worded post, either
On July 07 2015 02:40 rsoultin wrote:
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On July 06 2015 15:26 Holyflare wrote:
On July 06 2015 15:22 Holyflare wrote:
On July 06 2015 15:19 Trfel wrote:
On July 06 2015 15:17 Holyflare wrote:
Uh oh trfel
Hm?


It seems you are suffering from consecutivemafiarollingitis and are subsequently burnt out. I am sorry for your loss.


I will never back down from this busread. It's far too similar to what I used to experience and what I would be posting in that situation.

You can read the thread all you want but just get this in your head. All the effort you can muster for this second game in a row will be futile. Have fun


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On July 06 2015 16:00 Holyflare wrote:
On July 06 2015 15:55 Trfel wrote:
On July 06 2015 15:54 Holyflare wrote:
Hey, your vote means nothing anyway right? What harm is it following me for a bit?
I thought you were never ever going to change your read on me no matter what?


Who says my vote will be changing and why would that matter?

I know it's hard man. I feel your pain i really do. You're in the trolling and pointing out irrelevant crap for the sake of it part of the mafiarollingitis waiting for a scummy post or your motivation to reappear. It will happen later but it's already too late for you. Rest dear boy. Your time shall come again next game.


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On July 06 2015 16:37 Holyflare wrote:
I also have no idea why you repeatedly jump to people's defences before they even speak for themselves. Not only does it inhibit people playing the game and getting their groove on but it constantly gives the people under pressure multiple outs and feelings of less pressure. Back off and go to bed. You're messing with things you don't understand.


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On July 06 2015 16:44 Holyflare wrote:
What shitty logic "i know this guy best so just stop playing the game that you play where you have no information and instead of quizzing people and letting them post I'll just disregard it and blindly defend them!"

There's a reason people seemingly ignore your posts and that's the majority of the reason why.


"you're 100% scum no matter what you do hahaha"
"shut up bitch stop interfering with my quizzing"

not only was that blatant misrepresentation of what i was doing, but it started with me saying this? like, seriously?

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On July 06 2015 16:23 rsoultin wrote:
On July 06 2015 16:21 Breshke wrote:
On July 06 2015 16:19 rsoultin wrote:
On July 06 2015 16:14 Breshke wrote:
But nah rsoul i like damdys read so meh

I jsut don't see how you said "keep pretending this is what my problem is" when from the initial post you didn't say anything about damdred and i later explained that i voted not for my own reason but for damdreds.

Trefel what are you doing?


i missed the vote

like you say early votes mean jack shit, and it was just to show how much you agreed with damdy's point. that's a pretty damn strong agreement, and wasn't the impression i got when i first read your posting. i don't get why you think damdy calling ls lazy a few pages into the game is good, certainly not that good

so basically it comes down to strength of agreement


Okay i follow.

You were right in your last post when you said you dont care to pursue this i jsut became really bored with it aswell.

Watcha think of trefel and why isn't HF trying to get you to vote him


xP could get that from reading the thread

i've already said i doubt trfel is scum (tone! \o/) and hf isn't an imbecile lol >< i'm stubborn as hell


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On July 06 2015 16:28 rsoultin wrote:
or maybe he's already forgotten how stubborn i am, after all lol ><

pretty sure that wasn't the purpose of those questions hf xP but i'm not going to speak for him


pretty damn obvious to anyone with a brain that all i was saying there was i didn't agree, and he comes back with:

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On July 06 2015 16:29 Holyflare wrote:
I'm not doing this for you. I want people to lynch him and I'm proving he's mafia. You can keep yelling tone read in the corner though.


so not only is hf misrepresenting me, but he's going out of his way to be a dick about it at the same time, and if this is his idea of just "pressuring" or "quizzing" someone, it's sure not coming through in his posts

i'm not usually this fucking paranoid, but after last game when hf and bugs spent d1/n1 deliberately shitting on me and trying to throw me on tilt...especially with how well we usually get along when he's town, i highly doubt this is town hf and i really don't care if the rest of you are too chicken shit to push him

i'm tired of getting nkd and watching hf win

again

and again

has trfel posted anything amazing? no. does that make him scum? no. i read him by his off-brand of humor and a few other indicators...i usually get a solid read on him within his first page of filter. i'm good at it. i don't give a damn if you question him, but hell if you're going to bully me into shutting up by slinging shit at me, hf
On July 07 2015 02:43 rsoultin wrote:
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On July 07 2015 02:42 Holyflare wrote:
it's also pretty convenient you miss out these posts in your crappy narrative:

On July 06 2015 16:31 rsoultin wrote:
On July 06 2015 16:29 Holyflare wrote:
I'm not doing this for you. I want people to lynch him and I'm proving he's mafia. You can keep yelling tone read in the corner though.


lol wow you really don't get it, do you?

truffle is fully capable of making shit up from a filter...as i understand it, that's how he was so successful his last scum game xP

it's actually a fucking towntell for him to be taking his time to actually read through the thread instead of just throwing shit out there

but keep barking about it


On July 06 2015 16:39 rsoultin wrote:
On July 06 2015 16:34 Holyflare wrote:
And at what point does it look like he's taking his time to read the thread at all? 0 of his points are orientated to this thread. If they are they are certainly picked out of the weirdest topics with 0 relevance. He actually has 1 point about the first post in the game.

I don't think you understand mafiarollingitis at all so you shouldn't try to comment on it being relevant that he's taking his time to shit up the thread when that's an exact symptom. Town trfel is far more calculated, opinionated and precise.


^^ i understand what you're trying to push. i'm saying it's nai for truffle at best, that you're conveniently only focusing on his best qualities (that he's proven he's capable of replicating as scum anyway, so lol ><)

and yes, i'm damn good at tonereading this kid. because i actually talk to him and KNOW him outside of these mafia games, which is definitely more than can be said for you



want to post your posts in between that, pretty? lol >< are you trying to be hypocritical or does it just come naturally to you?
On July 07 2015 02:44 rsoultin wrote:
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On July 07 2015 02:43 Holyflare wrote:
"oh hf totally misrepresented me defending trfel because look i didn't" (if i eliminate the posts from my filter where i do!)


after you started shitting on me and trying to make it look like nothing i said was worth anything
On July 07 2015 02:49 rsoultin wrote:
btw hts read the post again

ruxxar said that my posts were flustering him while soft-pushing suspicion on me

then there's this post:

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On July 06 2015 12:07 ruXxar wrote:
Ls plz don't say too many stupid things.
I don't want to lynch you for bad reasons.


yes, i'm keying in on the wording, but it doesn't make sense. why should he care if the reasons for the lynch are bad or not? that's odd. why does something i'm writing that has nothing to do with him fluster him?

granted it's not the strongest read ever, but it looks worse than oats randomly thinking me spamming xPs at him is alignment indicative or kelsier going on some crazy stats dig -_-

On July 07 2015 02:53 rsoultin wrote:
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On July 07 2015 02:48 Harkon wrote:
Rsoultin and HF.

Please stop shitting up the thread with this unless you have new relevant arguments about someones alignment. Yes, it is weird how dismissive and condescending Holyflare is towards you, rsoultin. I am well aware of that. But instead of ranting about it try to find actual arguments for why what he says about Trfel is not true. If you are town you are not achieving anything by throwing a fit.
HF stop trying to make her rage. It's the best excuse for her to avoid contributing meaningful things.


now i'm not sure if i know whose smurf you are after all -_-

bueno, that's not important

truffle played like this in down under 2 and assassination, and i have no earthly clue what hf actually thinks to achieve by this unless he believes what he's saying, in which case he's not interested in truffle's alignment anyway because he's already made up his mind
On July 07 2015 02:55 rsoultin wrote:
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On July 07 2015 02:50 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 07 2015 02:49 rsoultin wrote:
btw hts read the post again

ruxxar said that my posts were flustering him while soft-pushing suspicion on me

then there's this post:

On July 06 2015 12:07 ruXxar wrote:
Ls plz don't say too many stupid things.
I don't want to lynch you for bad reasons.


yes, i'm keying in on the wording, but it doesn't make sense. why should he care if the reasons for the lynch are bad or not? that's odd. why does something i'm writing that has nothing to do with him fluster him?

granted it's not the strongest read ever, but it looks worse than oats randomly thinking me spamming xPs at him is alignment indicative or kelsier going on some crazy stats dig -_-



i mean it wasn't that crazy, could have been important and it was better than watching marv and oats have a dick measuring contest.


-squints at- do you realize the likelihood that there's any correlation to the number of times i xP in a thread and my alignment? and if you're such a stats man, me taunting oats with it already throws off your data anyway

but i guess i can understand not being interested in the back-and-forth between marv and oats

you're wrong, btw. should probably ask me what read i have on someone before making assumptions based on how i addressed someone in a single post; i'm not sure about damdy and it's irritating...i usually have a read on him by now
On July 07 2015 02:57 rsoultin wrote:
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On July 07 2015 02:56 Holyflare wrote:
On July 07 2015 02:43 rsoultin wrote:
On July 07 2015 02:42 Holyflare wrote:
it's also pretty convenient you miss out these posts in your crappy narrative:

On July 06 2015 16:31 rsoultin wrote:
On July 06 2015 16:29 Holyflare wrote:
I'm not doing this for you. I want people to lynch him and I'm proving he's mafia. You can keep yelling tone read in the corner though.


lol wow you really don't get it, do you?

truffle is fully capable of making shit up from a filter...as i understand it, that's how he was so successful his last scum game xP

it's actually a fucking towntell for him to be taking his time to actually read through the thread instead of just throwing shit out there

but keep barking about it


On July 06 2015 16:39 rsoultin wrote:
On July 06 2015 16:34 Holyflare wrote:
And at what point does it look like he's taking his time to read the thread at all? 0 of his points are orientated to this thread. If they are they are certainly picked out of the weirdest topics with 0 relevance. He actually has 1 point about the first post in the game.

I don't think you understand mafiarollingitis at all so you shouldn't try to comment on it being relevant that he's taking his time to shit up the thread when that's an exact symptom. Town trfel is far more calculated, opinionated and precise.


^^ i understand what you're trying to push. i'm saying it's nai for truffle at best, that you're conveniently only focusing on his best qualities (that he's proven he's capable of replicating as scum anyway, so lol ><)

and yes, i'm damn good at tonereading this kid. because i actually talk to him and KNOW him outside of these mafia games, which is definitely more than can be said for you



want to post your posts in between that, pretty? lol >< are you trying to be hypocritical or does it just come naturally to you?


I'm not sure how my posts in between are relevant at all since i'm not defending the stance that I was a dick. I'm saying I had a purpose and you repeatedly spewed tmi or an inability to see the direction of where things were going. If your read is null and someone is pushing something then I have no idea why you'd go in the opposite direction and defend them when your read is null.


except
my
read
is
not
null

i was saying your argument was not alignment indicative

i don't expect people to be able to get my tonereads or trust them
On July 07 2015 02:58 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 02:57 Holyflare wrote:
On July 07 2015 02:53 rsoultin wrote:
On July 07 2015 02:48 Harkon wrote:
Rsoultin and HF.

Please stop shitting up the thread with this unless you have new relevant arguments about someones alignment. Yes, it is weird how dismissive and condescending Holyflare is towards you, rsoultin. I am well aware of that. But instead of ranting about it try to find actual arguments for why what he says about Trfel is not true. If you are town you are not achieving anything by throwing a fit.
HF stop trying to make her rage. It's the best excuse for her to avoid contributing meaningful things.


now i'm not sure if i know whose smurf you are after all -_-

bueno, that's not important

truffle played like this in down under 2 and assassination, and i have no earthly clue what hf actually thinks to achieve by this unless he believes what he's saying, in which case he's not interested in truffle's alignment anyway because he's already made up his mind


no he didn't


he did

he irritated the shit out of me in down under 2 with like the entire rest of town

Well, I was going to quote every post rsoultin made in this time period, but it turns out there are a million of them. Here is the start of her filter from this time period, you can read it yourself.

Clarity_nl was scumreading rsoultin for doing soft pushes, but then evidently wanted to wait for more information due to what some people said about rsoultin's meta. However, he has a townread on KelsierSC for efforts, and chooses to elaborate on KelsierSC's push on rsoultin. However, looking at KelsierSC's filter, he doesn't say that much about rsoultin. KelsierSC's thoughts on rsoultin were that there was something suspicious around Damdred, LightningStrike, and rsoultin, and he was primarily focused on Damdred because Damdred's read on rsoultin was different from what he expected. But Clarity_nl didn't mention KelsierSC's push on Damdred at all.

KelsierSC did do the "xP" analysis on rsoultin, but that didn't end up with anything.

Basically, Clarity_nl has a scumread on rsoultin. Then he decides to wait for a while on this read because of meta, but sees KelsierSC making some points about Damdred's weird townread on rsoultin and then decides that he really likes this read on rsoultin (but completely ignores Damdred, despite that being KelsierSC's main focus). Then rsoultin does more random arguing and soft-pushing, and Clarity_nl has a townread on rsoultin.

4. Early push on WaveofShadow feels very suspicious
+ Show Spoiler +
He asks a question about WaveofShadow ("Is WaveofShadow better than all you guys, or is he mafia?") that doesn't seem to suggest either option, sees Holyflare say that it probably means that WaveofShadow is mafia, then votes for Holyflare.

Then, after the push on WaveofShadow dies, Clarity_nl unvotes WaveofShadow, saying that WaveofShadow said more about his townread on Clarity_nl. But this isn't really true at all. WaveofShadow said that Clarity_nl's effort felt towny, said it again, and then said that he wouldn't explain why. Clarity_nl already said that this read felt like TMI because no one else saw his play this way. The only other thing that WaveofShadow did is say that Clarity_nl's opening few posts were not important. This doesn't explain why he unvotes WaveofShadow. He does it because the push obviously isn't going anywhere and he wasn't that interested in it to begin with, only interested in getting the focus off of himself.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 22 2015 19:03 GMT
#8603
I mean, none of the things you just said are wrong, they all happened and it seems you put them in the correct context. But it doesn't make me scum :D You wanna know how I know?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
July 22 2015 19:04 GMT
#8604
Vote Count


Clarity_nl (6): Trfel, Half the Sky, XEliteBlueHunter69X, rsoultin, ruXxar, boxerfred
Trfel (2): Oatsmaster, Clarity_nl
rsoultin (1): WaveofShadow

Not Voting (0):

Currently, Clarity_nl is set to be lynched. With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day ends at Wednesday, Jul 22 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in .

Voting is Mandatory! Voting is done in the voting thread: (link)

When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 22 2015 19:04 GMT
#8605
On July 23 2015 04:03 Clarity_nl wrote:
I mean, none of the things you just said are wrong, they all happened and it seems you put them in the correct context. But it doesn't make me scum :D You wanna know how I know?
Sure, tell me.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 22 2015 19:05 GMT
#8606
Because I'm town
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 22 2015 19:06 GMT
#8607
Also none of it is benefiting me in the slightest.

Also all of these things are day 1, yet you somehow only picked up on scumreading me after I started pushing for your lynch, sooooo

scumface!
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 22 2015 19:07 GMT
#8608
On July 23 2015 04:05 Clarity_nl wrote:
Because I'm town
That's what I expected you to say.

So, imagine that you are being scumread by someone you think is scum. You want this person to post their arguments so that you can show that they are scum.

They finally post their arguments.

What do you do in response?

Clarity_nl addressed this person, and this person alone, and told them that their arguments are wrong because he is town. He didn't make any conclusions as to the person's alignment, didn't try to do anything to demonstrate to people why these arguments are wrong.

This isn't a town mindset.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 22 2015 19:10 GMT
#8609
On July 23 2015 04:06 Clarity_nl wrote:
Also none of it is benefiting me in the slightest.

Also all of these things are day 1, yet you somehow only picked up on scumreading me after I started pushing for your lynch, sooooo

scumface!
Okay, well I need to go eat lunch, so I'm not going to wait for Clarity_nl to respond.

Of course Clarity_nl actually "responds" to my post eventually (if you call this a response). And this is much closer to a town mindset than his initial reaction. But it's the initial reaction that is telling. The actual analysis/persuasion (if you can even call it that) is delayed, suggesting that it is forced instead of natural, and not his first priority.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 22 2015 19:16 GMT
#8610
Anyway, trfel has no reason to call me scum for entirely different reasons than everyone else because I'm the main wagon with 100% of the votes anyway. So for some reason he feels he needs to explain his vote on me, this is due to guilt because I am town.

Ez game.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 22 2015 20:00 GMT
#8611
On July 23 2015 02:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
Sorry my posts are so scattered.

I don't think content is the word I would describe when it comes to my lynch.

Given how ad hom you went on me and how emotional you got before it feels really strange how you seem to fade away now.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 22 2015 20:01 GMT
#8612
what I don't like actually is the lack of others defending clarity AND the lack of others attacking other players. I mean if I was scum, I would at least try to get a ML today and not give up on scum!clarity_nl without efforts.


asjdösaldkjsaödlk this game... is fucked up.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 22 2015 20:04 GMT
#8613
On July 23 2015 05:00 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2015 02:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
Sorry my posts are so scattered.

I don't think content is the word I would describe when it comes to my lynch.

Given how ad hom you went on me and how emotional you got before it feels really strange how you seem to fade away now.


How is that weird?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 22 2015 20:46 GMT
#8614
I'm around if you guys wanna lynch someone other than me.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 22 2015 21:12 GMT
#8615
clar...did you ever pull those posts? i didn't see it
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 22 2015 21:12 GMT
#8616
No, got lazy. Honestly game is over. Come play voice!
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 22 2015 21:16 GMT
#8617
On July 23 2015 06:12 Clarity_nl wrote:
No, got lazy. Honestly game is over. Come play voice!


lol already there ^^ so many invites xP
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 22 2015 21:16 GMT
#8618
Haven't played in 2 years, hype hype. I'm 3/3 being nk'd n1
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 22 2015 21:18 GMT
#8619
absolutely horrid at voice mafia. you'll see soon enough lol ><
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
July 22 2015 21:24 GMT
#8620
On July 23 2015 05:46 Clarity_nl wrote:
I'm around if you guys wanna lynch someone other than me.


How would you feel if someone asked you if you wanted to lynch Wave?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
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